Iran crisis part...

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Op woensdag 28 september 2005 23:40 schreef Sebastral het volgende:
Eerst met resoluties het land lam maken, met een beetje propaganda er 'gevaarlijk' op stempelen en dan simpel kunnen veroveren wanneer dat nodig is. Just like iraq.
Venuzuela is het enige land in de wereld dat weigert om imperialistische spelletjes te spelen blijkt maar weer.

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Op donderdag 29 september 2005 09:19 schreef FreedonNadd het volgende:

Dude alles heeft een reden en het spelletje dat Venezuela hier speelt is zeer zeker imperialistisch te noemen.

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TIJD VOOR RELATIETHERAPIE?

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Op donderdag 29 september 2005 15:03 schreef francorex het volgende:

Speel jij relatietherapeut Halleluma?

Ik vrees dat het vergeefse moeite is ... Mr Bush en co will go all the way.

"Take that to the bank"

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misschien kan Ruud van Big Brother het eens proberen?

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Op donderdag 29 september 2005 09:19 schreef FreedonNadd het volgende:

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Dat Venezuela op dat moment(na een x aantal resoluties tegen Iran met name olie export) de USA compleet onder controle krijgt door haar olie leveranties en de bijbehorende stijgende prijs is natuurlijk een toevallige bijkomstigheid.
Dude alles heeft een reden en het spelletje dat Venezuela hier speelt is zeer zeker imperialistisch te noemen.

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Op donderdag 29 september 2005 16:16 schreef Hallulama het volgende:
Daar hebben we een groot probleem te pakken.

Als je loving bent, kom je dan wel aan de top?

Het zijn meestal havikken en ijzervreters die zich in de hogere regionen bevinden en het daar overleven.

Och arme, zijn we dan zo verdoemd?

Nee toch?

Toch?

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Op donderdag 29 september 2005 16:43 schreef Sebastral het volgende:

The Revolution Will Not Be Televised. Er is hoop, maar we zijn nog te welvarend

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Op donderdag 29 september 2005 16:35 schreef Sebastral het volgende:

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Hoe dan? Heb je Chavez wel eens gehoord @ UN?

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Op donderdag 29 september 2005 16:59 schreef FreedonNadd het volgende:

Nee, dat niet maar als de U.N. Chavez goed uitkomt zal ie dat zeker niet laten om de U.N. te prijzen.

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Hurricane Hugo at the U.N.

By Mike Whitney

09/18/05 "ICH" -- -- "Practically no one in the United States knows that we've donated millions of dollars to the governorship of Louisiana, to the New Orleans Red Cross. We're now giving care to more than 5,000 victims, and now we're going to supply gasoline, freely in some cases, and with discounts in other cases, to the poorest of communities, starting with New Orleans and its surroundings... We've been helping. And we've been even rescuing people." Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez; "Nightline" with Ted Koppel, 9-16-05

Hugo Chavez's performance at the UN was greeted with the bucket-loads of bile that one expects from America's rightward-titling media. Washington Post hatchet-man Colum Lynch provided a typical summary of the speech by dismissing it as "a rant" from the Venezuelan "bad-boy". But, Lynch isn't alone in his hostility; the outpouring of venom came from all corners; appearing in many newspapers across the nation, invoking the hackneyed expressions of contempt for any foreign leader who rebuffs Washington or who follows redistributive economic policies.

In fact, the speech was a brilliant and impassioned analysis of the current state of the world and of the United Nations. Chavez noted that the original intention of the gathering had been "completely distorted" by the so-called reform process introduced by John Bolton. The reforms are entirely designed to transform the UN into a cats-paw for American power creating greater flexibility for Washington's preemptive wars and for dismantling the foundations of international law. They signal the demise of the UN as a legitimate forum for world development and an invitation for Bush and co. to act with even greater impunity.

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Chavez's remarks are not intended to disgrace the UN, but to offer a different vision for the future. He recognizes the pressing requirements of the new century and realizes that many of these problems "do not have a national solution: radioactive clouds, world oil prices, diseases, warming of the planet or the hole in the ozone layer. These are not domestic problems."

Chavez proposes his own set of reforms for the UN, including expansion of the Security Council, greater transparency, increasing the powers of the Secretary General, and "suppressing" the power of one nation to veto resolutions made by the council. But, he does not believe that reforms are enough by themselves and insists that the UN be transformed completely, beginning with a change of venue from New York to an "international city with its own sovereignty". Chavez's logic is inescapable; if the United States continues to flaunt UN resolutions and violate international law, as it has with the Iraq war, it should not be host to the world body. Chavez's suggestion was not made to humiliate the United States, but to demonstrate the urgency of the calamity the world faces if action is not taken swiftly on matters of mutual concern. Chavez takes a keen interest in these issues even though Washington chooses to ignore them.

"Ladies and gentlemen, we are facing an unprecedented energy crisis in which an unstoppable increase of energy is perilously reaching record highs, as well as the incapacity of increase oil supply and the perspective of a decline in the proven reserves of fuel worldwide. Oil is starting to become exhausted.

For the year 2020 the daily demand for oil will be 120 million barrels. Such demand, even without counting future increments- would consume in 20 years what humanity has used up to now. This means that more carbon dioxide will inevitably be increased, thus warming our planet even more."

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Chavez also defended his record as a reformer and a man willing to take risks for the sake of his own people. In one particularly stinging remark, he noted the progress that had been made in Venezuela since 9-11, while the Bush administration was busy using the pretext of terrorism to violate international law and initiate hostilities against Iraq.

"One million four hundred and six thousand Venezuelans learned to read and write. We are 25 million total. And the country will, in a few days, be declared an illiteracy-free territory. And three million Venezuelans, who had always been excluded because of poverty, are now part of primary, secondary and higher studies.

Seventeen million Venezuelans, almost 70% of the population, are receiving, and for the first time, universal healthcare, including the medicine, and in a few years, all Venezuelans will have free access to an excellent healthcare service. More that a million seven hundred tons of food are channeled to over 12 million people at subsidized prices, almost half the population. One million gets them completely free, as they are in a transition period. More than 700 thousand new jobs have been created, thus reducing unemployment by 9 points. All of this amid internal and external aggressions, including a coup d'etat and an oil industry shutdown organized by Washington."

Unlike Bush, Chavez's record is backed up by a solid performance in nearly every area of social development. Its no wonder the elitist American media, driven by their class-based ideology, has tried so desperately to discredit him.

Chavez oratory to the General Assembly will undoubtedly elevate him in the eyes of many as a serious futurist who offers genuine solutions for a war-ravaged planet. His personal fortitude and optimism are matched by his selfless conduct as President; working persistently on behalf of his people and strengthening global relations. His iconic image around the world is well deserved.

"We will fight for Venezuela, for Latin American integration and the world. We reaffirm our infinite faith in humankind. We are thirsty for peace and justice in order to survive as species... Now is the time to not allow our hands to be idle or our souls to rest until we save humanity."

His speech was received with thunderous applause.

(Note: "Operation Balboa; the plan to invade Venezuela; President Chavez announced on "Nightline" Friday edition 9-16-05 that, "I have evidence that there are plans to invade Venezuela. Furthermore, we have documentation: how many bombers will over-fly Venezuela on the day of the invasion, how many trans-Atlantic carriers, how many aircraft carriers need to be sent to (inaudible) even during (inaudible)." The US is carrying out maneuvers at Curacao Island, and Chavez claims to have documentation to back up his allegations. "The plan is called Balboa and Venezuela is indicated as its objective.")

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VS-ambassadeur: Iran ontwikkelt kernwapens


LONDEN (ANP) - De Amerikaanse ambassadeur bij de Verenigde Naties John Bolton heeft Iran er vrijdag van beschuldigd al achttien jaar te proberen kernwapens te ontwikkelen. Volgens Bolton is het mogelijk dat Iran de wapens aan terroristen wil verkopen.

Teheran zou zijn nucleaire ambities verborgen hebben gehouden, zei Bolton in een interview met de BBC.

,,Ze zijn bezig met geheimhouding en bedrog en ze hebben al eerder bedreigingen geuit. De werkelijke vraag is of de internationale gemeenschap accepteert dat Iran zijn verplichtingen van het non-proliferatieverdrag niet nakomt, liegt over zijn programma en vastbesloten is om kernwapens te krijgen, die het land dan niet alleen wil gebruiken om zijn eigen regio te intimideren, maar mogelijk ook om aan terroristen te leveren'', aldus Bolton.

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Op zaterdag 15 oktober 2005 18:23 schreef HiZ het volgende:
Over ireëel gedrag gesproken; geen partij kiezen alsof er een partij te kiezen is. De realiteit is natuurlijk dat de kernwapens van de VS niet op ons gericht staan, en die van Iran wel op ons gericht zullen staan. Dacht je echt dat Iran sterk onder de indruk was van jouw neutralteit ?

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Op donderdag 29 september 2005 11:00 schreef Hallulama het volgende:
En waarom willen wij, of vooral Israel (zie links onderaan), van dat regime afkomen?

Israel is bang dat ze een nuke op hun hoofd krijgen, en waarom?

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130 Teletekst za 15 okt
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Kort buitenlands nieuws

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TEHERAN In de Zuid-Iraanse stad Ahvaz
zijn vier doden en 70 gewonden gevallen
bij twee bomexplosies.De bommen gingen
kort na elkaar af in een winkelcentrum.
Wie erachter zit,is nog niet bekend.
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Op zondag 16 oktober 2005 12:39 schreef Hallulama het volgende:
Finder_elf_towns, Zbigniew Brzezinski?

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What does that mean?

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Op zondag 16 oktober 2005 12:44 schreef Hallulama het volgende:
Russians help Iran with missile threat to Europe
By Con Coughlin
(Filed: 16/10/2005)

Former members of the Russian military have been secretly helping Iran to acquire technology needed to produce missiles capable of striking European capitals.

The Russians are acting as go-betweens with North Korea as part of a multi-million pound deal they negotiated between Teheran and Pyongyang in 2003. It has enabled Teheran to receive regular clandestine shipments of top secret missile technology, believed to be channelled through Russia.

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Western intelligence officials believe that the technology will enable Iran to complete development of a missile with a range of 2,200 miles, capable of hitting much of Europe. It is designed to carry a 1.2-ton payload, sufficient for a basic nuclear device.

The revelation raises the stakes in the confrontation between Iran's Islamic regime and the West - led by the United States and European countries including Britain.

Condoleezza Rice, the US secretary of state, clashed with Russian officials over Iran's nuclear programme during a visit to Moscow yesterday, saying that Teheran must fulfil its obligations under the Nuclear Proliferation Treaty.

She was later expected to urge President Vladimir Putin to back a referral of Iran to the United Nations Security Council.

A senior American official said Iran's programme was "sophisticated and getting larger and more accurate. They have had very much in mind the payload needed to carry a nuclear weapon.

"I think Putin knows what the Iranians are doing."

Iran is believed to be hiding its weapons development behind its nuclear power programme, for which it receives Russian support, and has refused to suspend uranium enrichment or to allow full UN inspections.

John Bolton, the US ambassador to the UN, told BBC2's Newsnight that Iran was "determined to get nuclear weapons deliverable on ballistic missiles it can then use to intimidate not only its own region but possibly to supply to terrorists".

Iran's longest-range missile is the Shahab 3, which, with an 800-mile range, could hit Israel. The North Korean deal will allow the Iranian missile to reach targets far into Europe - including Rome, Berlin, and much of France.

North Korea has developed a missile, the Taepo Dong 2, that could reach America's west coast, based on the submarine-launched Soviet SSN6. Modifications allow it to be fired from a land-based transporter and this technology is being smuggled to Teheran with Russian help.

Russians have provided production facilities, diagrams and operating instruction so the missile can be built in Iran. Liquid propellant has been shipped to Iran. Russian specialists have also been sent to Iran to help development of its Shahab 5 missile project, which the Iranians hope to have operational by the end of the decade.

Bron: Telegraph

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We zijn nog NET veilig, heuh, de Randstad dan, alleen wat doe je als heel DSM in brand staat en het waait in de verkeerde richting?

Als we een nieuwe patstelling krijgen kan men in iedergeval normaal met elkaar praten, hoop ik dan.

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Op zondag 16 oktober 2005 12:44 schreef Hallulama het volgende:

Condoleezza Rice, the US secretary of state, clashed with Russian officials over Iran's nuclear programme during a visit to Moscow yesterday, saying that Teheran must fulfil its obligations under the Nuclear Proliferation Treaty.

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Op zondag 16 oktober 2005 14:19 schreef Finder_elf_towns het volgende:

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Dat betekend dat als je wilt weten wat de volgende doelen van de VS zijn zonder te kijken naar volstrekt onbetrouwbare samenzwerings-sites, naar die man moet luisteren.

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President Iran: Londen achter bomaanslagen Ahvaz


TEHERAN (ANP) - De Iraanse president Ahmadinejad heeft zondag gezegd dat hij over aanwijzingen beschikt dat Groot-Brittannië betrokken is geweest bij de bomaanslagen in de stad Ahvaz, waarbij zaterdag vijf mensen om het leven kwamen.

Volgens Ahmadinejad zijn de Iraanse veiligheidsdiensten gestuit op ,,Britse voetafdrukken'' in vroegere aanslagen in het gebied. De Britse ambassade in Teheran heeft zaterdag nog haar afschuw uitgesproken over de aanslagen in Ahvaz en elke betrokkenheid bij voorgaande incidenten ontkend. In de regio was al in april sprake van explosies en geweld tussen demonstranten en politie.

Ahmadinejad zei zondag dat ,,de aanwezigheid van Britse troepen in het zuiden van Irak en langs de Iraanse grens de oorzaak is van het gevoel van onveiligheid voor Irakezen en Iraniërs''.

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I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires.
Susan Brownell Anthony

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Op maandag 17 oktober 2005 02:15 schreef Finder_elf_towns het volgende:

Het punt is natuurlijk waarom ik zou ontkennen dat Groot-Britannië hier iets te maken heeft. Nou dat doe ik dus niet.

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So just as Guatemala, Nicaragua, and Iraq were dire threats, so is Iran today because the Bush government says so and is supported here by Ariel Sharon. The first rule in supportive propaganda is to intensify attention to the villain and the alleged threat that he poses. Thus, the claims that Iran is trying to become a nuclear power have become the continuous basis of news, with all the details and claims of its moves toward nuclear capability newsworthy, emanating as they are from a superpower that is a primary-definer-plus.

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The analogy with the attention to Iraq’s alleged possession and threat of weapons of mass destruction in 2001-2003 is close: the United States made those claims, pressed them on the UN and its allies, and in consequence this became first order news. Today, the United States makes charges against Iran, presses its allies and the IAEA, and this makes the issue newsworthy.

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The second rule in supportive propaganda is to frame the issues in such a way that the premises of the propaganda source are taken as given, with any inconvenient considerations ignored and any sources that would contest the party line bypassed or marginalized. This technique is well illustrated in David Sanger’s “Diplomacy Fails to Slow Advance of Nuclear Arms,” the front-page feature article in the New York Times of August 8, 2004—a virtually perfect model of propaganda service. The frame of Sanger’s article is the threat of the nuclear ambitions of Iran and North Korea, the efforts to contain that threat via diplomacy, the difficulties encountered in these efforts, U.S. and Israeli concerns over the matter, and the opinions of Western officials and experts over what should be done. All seven quoted sources in Sanger’s piece are present or former U.S. officials, which allows the establishment frame to be presented without challenge. A basic Sanger premise is that the United States and Israel are good and do not pose threats worthy of mention, so that any “advance” in nuclear arms, or the possession and threat of use of such weapons by these states, is outside the realm of discourse.

http://gnn.tv/headlines/12/Iran_s_Dire_Threat

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Op maandag 17 oktober 2005 17:35 schreef Sebastral het volgende:

Dus ben je een verrader van democratie, vrijheid en vrede. Je loopt hier gewoon een oorlogs agenda te verdedigen

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Op maandag 17 oktober 2005 18:31 schreef Hallulama het volgende:

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Hij zegt toch juist dat hij NIET ontkent dat GB er iets mee te maken heeft.

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Op maandag 17 oktober 2005 10:36 schreef Hallulama het volgende:
Rica?

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Twee kanten eh...

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Op dinsdag 18 oktober 2005 15:35 schreef Rica het volgende:

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Er zijn geen twee kanten. Zowel Iran als het westen zit niet te wachten op een militaire confrontatie.

Cui Bono?

Er is maar één die daar op uit is. Dat is dezelfde die zit te hitsen, dreigen en er alles aan doet om het wel zover te krijgen: Israel.

http://nowarforisrael.com/