Organisation of Visiting Races III

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Organisation of Visiting Races II

Hi Earthsister

so..you had an exciting visit in Florida! Everything ok?

Did you had any contact yet (or again), with 1 of the OVR?
I really would like to know in what timespan the the OVR will show themselves to the public.

Do you have any indication?

No pressure and all and you're more than welcome to disregard, but any chance of a respons to the questions asked when you where holding on for dear life. Some very interesting points were raised.

Thundering silence.

I am sorry for my silence. We had a family emergency so I was preoccupied away from home. Everything is ok now.

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Op vrijdag 1 oktober 2004 14:13 schreef stigchel het volgende:
No pressure and all and you're more than welcome to disregard, but any chance of a respons to the questions asked when you where holding on for dear life. Some very interesting points were raised.

(I said: And second and still because of govt and religious propaganda. It is now becoming necessary for the alien races to push the matter.)

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Ok, let's assess this comment in the light of what it is supposed to counter, namely government opression and fear mongering. We have system A lead by people that do not have our best interests at heart, fair enough. Then a group of aliens swoops down from the sky and imposes a new system, lead by aliens that do not have our best interests at heart.

stigchel

What the alien races have to push for is giving information to the publics because our govts won't do it. The publics want it, need it, have a right to it and are demanding it. The alien races are not imposing- they have been offering their help through our leadership and still are. If we humans decide to change things but can't do it on our own, the alien races can and will help us if we ask, and many of us are and the numbers are growing. Besides this, all of the alien races visiting Earth have our best interests at heart, but they have all the races' best interests at heart. They are not angels, and not unlimited. There are problems which can't be solved without opening communication and sharing information.

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Why would I say this? Because of your choice of words. 'Push the matter, because..." In other words, if they fail to get us into the flock, we will start to become a threat to them in some way, shape or form. We, as a planet, need to be enlightened now, before we do something not alltogether beneficial to the rest of our galactic neighbours.
In short "resistance is futile, prepare to be assimilated, you will comply". Give up everything we hold dear, our entire understanding of the universe, our entire moral frame and civil structure.

It is true that if we humans do not learn the rules of exploring the Universe, we will not be allowed to explore. The other races can't take us over or tell us how to live, but they can keep our threat away from themselves. Humanity is all different factions. One faction is preventing the other factions from progressing and from working toward peace. If the alien races wanted to assimilate us they would have done that long ago.

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And for what? We are just a small planet with small people, lacking any major ability to influense the greater galaxis around us. Why would anyone bother with this worthless third rock from the sun (I'm just a fountain of reference)? Let's assume the alien's motives are purely altruistic. That they know something we don't and are here to tell us to do things differently or suffer the consequences or our own actions. Very nice of them, sure enough, a bit of warning is always good. But there is also such a thing as freedom of choice. One of the major constructs of your entire civilisation. Freedom of religion, freedom of speach and a freedom to make up your own mind.

The other races bother with us for the same good reason we in one country bother with other countries, to bring us together so we can coexist in peace and help each other progress. You and I deserve freedom of choice, religion and speech, yet our leading govts are denying us that by hiding our choices of whether to make gains by allying with all the other races in our area. We individuals are by right of heritage and nature deserving of the relationship with other life.

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How then, I put it to you, can you consider imposing themselves and their plans on us to be altruistic. Any forced change, even change for the better, flies right in the face of freedom of choice. If we, as a planet, do not wish their presense, guidance or counsil, no matter how silly that may be, they should at least have the respect to pretend not to interfere.

You go right past the idea that most of us have elected representation. People like us govern us. Never mind global conspiracy, the people that shield us from this knowledge are people like ourselves, reacting like we would.

I want to make my own choices. You and I elect our leaders to work for us. Our leaders are doing things against their publics for their own reasons, not ours. In denying us information and in sabotaging public opinion against other life, we are not being represented well. You are right that we are one race, but not all individuals are the same. I, myself, prefer to share information about alien life with all humans, so that all humans can decide whether we would like to gain from them. I don't think my president can make that decision for me without my consent or even my knowledge. I would like to hear from the aliens myself.

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There is a phylosofical theorum that states that no being, sentient or otherwise can ever work without at least some degree of egocentrism. Even the most selfless act has some merrit to the self of the being. There is no such thing as a free lunch

That theorem is a human idea only. The merit for the alien people here is personal and not for payment of money. The goal is peace. The individuals who work here are the volunteer and elected professionals of their races, working to ensure the peace between us.

Think: Do you ever perform a deed for the personal satisfaction of helping others, out of your willingness to contribute? Or do you only ever do anything constructive if it is for your own self? The alien races do not have personal needs for money for food or housing or to provide basics for their families. They do not deny others their vital assistance unless they get paid some extra thing above and beyond. You have to consider a lot of things that are different about us and advanced life in order to have an informed opinion about what the other races are doing here.

masterchi

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Nice drawings.

Nice photo
[afbeelding]

Thank you

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Can you tell me more about the drawings? especially this one
[transmision drawing]

I don't know anything about this drawing.

Iplover

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I saw this topic in this forum here today. Starchild
It has some pics of sculls and of an alien. You said you never seen a true picture of an alien, so this would probably be a fake one too. But are these sculls real? And are they alien? Or is it of a alien-human hybrid as someone said there? Or is this just human, cause I know that humans can have strange abnormalities in there face, only they die as a baby (I think so, cause it where all babies in this preserving liquid)?

I have no reason to believe that any of these sculls are of any alien people. Just the fact that they are depicted as such is a testament that they cannot be. The foreign makeup of chemical matter would be immediately, completely apparent. No further testing would display it any better. The rarity and worth would surpass the greatest jewels and not be left behind or unclaimed. If there was any truth to the claims, these people who present them as alien would not be left free to do so.

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EarthSister, I am not saying that your stories are bogus. But with out some tangible evidence there is no discussion possible if you make claims of this magnitude. With out it, everything you say is moot.

Bucc4n33R

Hai. I have read over all of your comments and I appreciate your position very much. I don't mind your speaking up, because it would be foolish if people did not do that.

I won't argue, but I will explain that there is "plenty" of tangible evidence of alien life on our planet. It is being hidden from your view and disguised right in front of your eyes by those who dictate to you what it is. I, myself, do not have any physical evidence -- not to prove the existence of alien life, their visitation to Earth or my own personal experiences with them. The best proof right now happens when somebody else has their own experience.

What I say is not moot at all. It is vital to have information about the alien races before the general publics are faced with dealing with the reality of visitation. Otherwise the confusion and disarray will make the publics vulnerable to their own misperceptions as well as to the propaganda. If you know something about the aliens, whether you believe it or not, when it happens to you you will be better prepared to handle it. The way you handle your own experiences, or those of your loved ones, is what will either help you progress or just traumatize your life. If you already have some good ideas of the truth, and some consideration beforehand, you can say, "Wait, I have heard about this -- I know what to do." If you have no preparation, you may fall into the common reactions you see around you now, and believe "anything" you are told by authorities.

Take a look at the Mexican Air Force incident from earlier this year. I know you probably can't and don't believe that this is an authentic alien event, and I don't blame you. But if you don't, tell me "why" not. Exactly what things prevent you from believing that these are alien crafts?

http://www.rense.com/general52/deff.htm
Video: http://www.thesandiegochannel.com/news/3292542/detail.html

If you have a problem with the links, see if you can find them in a search for the event. There are many sites on the Internet for it.

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Very understandable Bucc4n33r

We all would like to see something as prove.
These aliens seem to be in contact with certain humans, so that doesn't seem to be the problem.
So why not distribute some evidence so it can be shown to the ones who are really interested, doesn't have to be on the tv-news, just for those who ask for it.

I dont understand the aliens ... in a way they seek contact but on the other hand they avoid it ?
What's the use then ?

UncleScorp

There is a precarious balance between people knowing, and people knowing the truth. This balance is being manipulated against the relationship between us by Earth authorities. As long as the publics do not know there is any alien life, the public is safe from the false beliefs about it. As soon as people see the aliens, that makes them believe "whatever" about them, and most of the information that is fed them is bogus for the purpose of promoting natural fear and mistrust.

The alien races "desperately" want all humans to know they are here. But it is no progression if the individuals of the publics only believe the aliens are monsters. In fact it is counterproductive, and creates more tanglement that will have to be undone on the way to opening contact.

Say you are the new kid coming to school, and a number of leading popular kids set you up before you get there, so all the kids in your class will have you pegged as an outsider. "You have killed and eaten your cat, you have no emotion, you tell lies, you have dirty habits, etc." When you walk in, what kind of a response will you get? How hard is it to frame somebody with a detrimental reputation? Only those who give you a chance and who think for themselves and realize the motives of those who are building your reputation will be prepared to welcome you. Unfortunately, still many humans do not think for themselves.

Hardly anybody knows the aliens. But everyone is so afraid and defensive. What does this tell you?

The more the aliens show themselves carefully here and there, the more people talk about it and think. But if the aliens show themselves too much too fast, the authorities can use it as evidence against the aliens. Such as, if something is damaged or missing, the authorities can blame it on the aliens. If you don't already know better from your personal knowledge of the aliens themselves, you would believe your authorities. As long as you don't believe alien life is real, you will not have "evidence" of the lies against them. The more time you have to consider the truth, the more ready you will be to recognize it when you see them.

If this seems like such a long drawn-out process, consider the length of a point in evolution. Consider how long it takes to break human thought patterns of religions out from under those who impose them. Usually wide changes take several generations after a major event to have some affect. Also consider the pleas of the alien races to our leaders to inform their publics of their visitation, and the govts threats to the aliens to stay away. When the aliens show up, it makes the aliens responsible in some way for the bad things that may happen. Even if a person disappears, you will think the aliens took them. If you saw a craft tonight, our leaders could announce on TV (or leak through the ufo field) that the aliens have begun their invasion. You would not know what to believe. The plan to keep people confused and in disbelief is working. Look around, this is exactly what is already happening.

As more and more individual people get to know the aliens and talk with others, the effectiveness of govt manipulation is breaking down. This is infinitely more productive by covering more subjects and issues than proving to everyone that the aliens are here.

Bucc4n33R

I just wrote a long response to you, but it came out sounding pretty defensive, probably just because I am a little tired. So I am deleting it. I will save it and modify it later if I decide to answer you with it again. You raised some good points that should be addressed and I don't mean to skip over your posts.

[ Bericht 96% gewijzigd door EarthSister op 02-10-2004 23:34:03 (mood check) ]

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What I want to know, is what your opinion is about Whitley Strieber's book "Communion", also known from the what slightly different movie with Cristopher Walken. There are similarities with alien characters as seen at your site. Is he still the same fiction writer as before or is it plausible that he's telling the truth?

Price

The story of "Communion" is all true, only ever so slightly sensationalized for the Hollywood movie. Understand that the story is told through this man's perception of it, though. What you see and hear is not a picture of what happened, it's a picture of what Strieber experienced. This distinction is important.

The Blue and The White, who I depict on my site, are members of the same two races that Strieber encountered. The White is not a member of "The Greys" as broadly assumed. The Blue and The White are the second and third races that Jack and I have been introduced to.

The images of the small brownish beings with blue clothes is more correct in Strieber's movie than in my drawing on my site. The image of The White on my site is more correct than those in Strieber's movie or the cover of his book. The Blue's race is the race who reside inside of our neighbor planet Mars. I do not know where The White's race resides, but it is not on Mars. I asked and was denied that information.

Not all media depictions of true events with alien life are done as well or with the integrity that this one was.

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Op zaterdag 2 oktober 2004 22:55 schreef Tatie het volgende:
Dear Earthsister,

Why are the aliens so intrested in us, and why do they want to help us

Greets Tatie.

Hai, Tatie

We are one race of many races of people. We are one of all of them. We are all the same kind, sharing this space and evolution. We are family and friends who belong together.

Understand that this is hard to fathom for such a young, egotistical, hostilely defensive race of people who have not even united their own countries yet.

EarthSister
http://www.TheProjectAtEarth.com

EarthSister

Thank you for your response. I appreciate it very much.

I will try to explain why your stories are moot and irrelevant. I don't want to belittle you and the things you are telling us when I refer to what you are saying to be stories. It is just a matter of semantics. Nothing more nothing less.

They are moot because they are scientifically and and philosophically unsatisfying. I order to weigh the significance of a story or thesis we can apply a few rules and we have a few very useful yardsticks at our disposal as well. I want to emphasize that it doesn't mean that your stories are false or untrue. They are simply moot when one is willing to think about it without prejudice. In fact, in this thread, you challenged people not to believe you straight away but to think for themselves. Well, I am merely picking up the glove

First the Philosophical part.

This is all about the truth. Truth, as a noun, refers to the quality of being in accord with fact or reality. Truth is a comprehensive term that in all of its nuances implies accuracy and honesty:

I want to know if you are telling the truth. And since you made it clear that you can't disclose any facts, which is highly unsatisfactory to start with, we also can't measure the accuracy of your stories,. So we are left with nothing else but the " reality"and the "honesty" part of this definition.

An objective observer isn't able to tell whether you are honest or not. I like to believe you are so we will leave it at that. But please note that I said "like to believe" which means that I am giving you the benefit of the doubt but have no way of knowing.

Which brings us to "reality" as being the only part of the definition of truth that we can work with. Please understand that even if we are able to establish that your stories are in accordance with reality, the absence of "fact" and "accuracy" can't allow us to regard them as to be " true".

I regret to say that nothing you said is changing reality. And thus are these stories irrelevant, safe from some entertainment value. Reality is a slippery thing. What is presented as reality or real does not automatically mean that there isn't anything beyond that reality.

An example. For centuries, people were not able to travel very far. Simply because the means to travel a great distance were not invented yet. The REAL world of the people in, let say, a small town somewhere in Europe was limited to what they knew to exist in a 30 mile radius. In this example, I will call them the Villagers. Their world and their perception of reality happened within this radius. They were born, lived, loved and died within this small patch of world and everything that they knew to be "real" was also limited to this radius.

This doesn't mean that at the time there were not people living in Africa or Australia doing the exact same thing. But the people in Africa or Australia didn't play any role or didn't alter anything to the reality or existence of the Villagers in that 30 mile wide patch I described earlier. They were there, somewhere else on this globe, but might as well have not been there. It wouldn't have made a difference to the Villagers. I can imagine that the Villagers would have told each other stories of people living beyond the horizon but these stories were as irrelevant to the truth as stories about the great monster of the north sea or the stories that if you travel too far in a certain direction you will fall from the face of the earth. They could have told each other anything and everything but without being able to checking those stories out, it didn't change the reality of their small world one bit.

Assuming that you speak the truth and you are doing this in order to prepare us to handle the reality of visitation by aliens. How can your stories help to prepare us if nothing you say can be verified? In other words, how is this changing our reality? In order to prepare ourselves ,what is the difference between your stories and the ones who are fabricated and made up?

You warn us not to believe the government(s) for they will never disclose the truth about this matter. In other words, they are fabricating stories in order to mask reality. But we can't verify who is telling the truth. The government or you. So one of the two is lying. Now, considering everything you have said so far, we can't say for sure whether you are lying or telling the truth. And it would be unwise - and not to mention rude- to make such accusations. But you don't seem to have any trouble at all of accusing the governments of lying to us.

You said that there is plenty of tangible evidence of alien life on our planet. What kind of evidence are you referring to? What kind of evidence is out there that supports the thesis that we are indeed visited by aliens. You posted two links about the Mexican Air force Incident. I looked at them and found them to be very interesting. But how does this incident validate anything you said? Sure, we see a number of Un-identified Flying Objects. What evidence do you have that IDENTIFIES them as being alien?

Again, for all we know these objects are still unidentified so they could be a number of things, from the very mundane to the very exotic. But nothing indicates that these lights are of alien origin at all. We don't need the introduction of aliens to describe what we are seeing. But we also can't reject the hypothesis that this are indeed alien spacecraft until proved otherwise.

Another example: I present two almost identical theories.

1)The planets move around the sun in ellipses because there is a force between any of them and the sun which decreases as the square of the distance.

Let's alter this statement a little

2)The planets move around the sun in ellipses because there is a force between any of them and the sun which decreases as the square of the distance. This force is generated by the will of some powerful aliens.

Since the force between the planets and the sun determines the motion of the former and both theories posit the same type of force, the predicted motion of the planets will be identical for both theories. the second theory, however, has additional baggage (the will of the aliens) which is unnecessary for the description of the system.

If one accepts the second theory solely on the basis that it predicts correctly the motion of the planets one has also accepted the existence of aliens whose will affect the behavior of things, despite the fact that the presence or absence of such beings is irrelevant to planetary motion (the only relevant item is the type of force). In this instance we use something that is called Ockham's Razor. Ockham's razor would unequivocally reject the second theory. By rejecting this type of additional irrelevant hypotheses guards against the use of solid scientific results (such as the prediction of planetary motion) to justify unrelated statements (such as the existence of the aliens) which may have dramatic consequences. In this case the consequence is that the way planets move, the reason we fall to the ground when we trip, etc. is due to some powerful alien intellect, that this intellect permeates our whole solar system, it is with us even now...and from here an infinite number of paranoid derivations.

For all we know the solar system is permeated by an alien intellect, but the motion of the planets, which can be explained by the simple idea that there is a force between them and the sun, provides no evidence of the aliens' presence nor proves their absence.

I am also very skeptical about the way the aliens look. They seem to share a very distinctive evolutionary similarity with us humans which needs further explanation. But more about that in an other post, if you are willing to continue , of course.

regards




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Thanks EarthSister. Your answer is exactly what I expected.

Here are some pics from the movie to illustrate the characters to other forum members.

the White:


the Blue:


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Op zondag 3 oktober 2004 19:40 schreef Bucc4n33R het volgende:
EarthSister

Thank you for your response. I appreciate it very much.

That's a lot of text just to let her know you are having doubts about what she is saying.

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Op maandag 4 oktober 2004 14:35 schreef jogy het volgende:

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That's a lot of text just to let her know you are having doubts about what she is saying.

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Yes, fortunately I didn't only express my doubts, I also explained why. I even explained that everybody who is wiling to abandon their prejudices should have doubts. And I made it fit all on one page

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Op maandag 4 oktober 2004 15:26 schreef Bucc4n33R het volgende:

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Yes, fortunately I didn't only express my doubts, I also explained why. I even explained that everybody who is wiling to abandon their prejudices should have doubts. And I made it fit all on one page

It's always nice to see users that really take the time before they press 'invoeren'.

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Op maandag 4 oktober 2004 15:37 schreef jogy het volgende:

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It's always nice to see users that really take the time before they press 'invoeren'.

Thank you.

i am usually not that long winded.

BTW, I am new on this forum and don't know the un-written rules and modes of conduct on this board so I like to make clear that although this post was addressed to EarthSister, I really welcome everybody to comment on the things I wrote.

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Op maandag 4 oktober 2004 16:15 schreef Bucc4n33R het volgende:

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Thank you.

i am usually not that long winded.

BTW, I am new on this forum and don't know the un-written rules and modes of conduct on this board so I like to make clear that although this post was addressed to EarthSister, I really welcome everybody to comment on the things I wrote.

Don't worry, anybody who has any urge to get into your bookwork of a post will not refrain to do so .

Anyway, i'm not really sure what you are trying to accomplish withj your post there, this is not meant as criticism or something but in a way you are explaining the obvious here.

And the only thing Earthsister wants to do is get you thinking about so when ( or if ) the time comes the people won't assume the worst when the aliens show their face. And seeing these topics and the viewrates they generate i think that it's working pretty well. It's up to yourself what you do with the things she's telling you.

I'm not really sure if ockhams razor is really applicable here, or at least not correctly..

If you take Earthsisters explanation and put it next to the official standpoint of whatever goverment you may choose, then the story of earthsister has a more satisfactory outcome when you look at all the cases you have with sightings and stuff. Offcourse there are fakes roaming the internet, everybody who has Photoshop can create something inexplainable.

But it's a bit unrealistic (imo ) to assume that every single photo that has ever been taken of something inexplainable or that every sighting that has been reported is a fake.

The only way to be sure is when you look at the sky and see some glowing ball fly around before your eyes end shoot out of sight in 3 seconds or something.

Bottomline is that there is no proof to be given from her. So i guess it will stay a moot for you untill they actually land and let themselves be known or when they display an airshow when you are walking your dog ( so if you don't have one, buy one )

By the way, will your reaction be the same when the aliens show up tomorrow in comparison to a few weeks ago?

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Op maandag 4 oktober 2004 17:49 schreef jogy het volgende:

If you take Earthsisters explanation and put it next to the official standpoint of whatever goverment you may choose, then the story of earthsister has a more satisfactory outcome when you look at all the cases you have with sightings and stuff. Offcourse there are fakes roaming the internet, everybody who has Photoshop can create something inexplainable.

I think that this is exactly what Bucc4n33r wants to avoid: Emotions. A "satifactory outcome" is always based on subjective reasoning. Both EarthSister and the government may be right or wrong, unless evidence to the contrary will be provided.

Although I tend to believe that most ufo's are indeed alien aircrafts, I always keep in mind that they are still unidentified.

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Op maandag 4 oktober 2004 18:31 schreef Price het volgende:

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I think that this is exactly what Bucc4n33r wants to avoid: Emotions. A "satifactory outcome" is always based on subjective reasoning. Both EarthSister and the government may be right or wrong, unless evidence to the contrary will be provided.

Yeah, everything you believe about this is based on what you want to believe. And this applies to everybody, the people that do believe there's more to it than weatherbaloons and Venus and people that don't.

hi again nancy

you forgot to answer my question from the last topic: are there any authentic photo's of crop circles or aliens that you know of?

and another question:
have the aliens given you something? like a jewel or something? or did they enhance your body with certain technologies? like something which expands your lifespawn or something?

thanks again

Hey Nancy!

How often do the aliens visit you? And do you know what that sound coming from my neck is and who that voice I heard could be, I've written about that in the last topic. I haven't heared that voice ever since : (

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What you said reminds me of what Henry Kissinger said.

"Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to
restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful. This is especially true if
they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or
promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all
peoples of the world will plead with world leaders to deliver them from
this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented
with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for
the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world
government."
-- Henry Kissinger--

Hi Aurora025

I see Kissinger's point and yours. But because the alien races are being "so" careful in how they are proceeding with making the publics aware of their presence, we can only see for ourselves that the aliens are no threat. Eventually most of us must come to realize that all the negativity about alien life is coming from other places besides the aliens, and where those places are.

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I have heard a lot that people like Cheney, Kissinger, Bush and other people in power are pedophilic and child abusers, do you know if that is true?

This is a very strange question, and strange to ask me, and strange in this topic. You know, a lot of people go around repeating things like this about "anybody" for diabolical reasons against their character. It plants a provocative idea that sticks in people's minds, and then the people repeat it elsewhere. And the more people hear things back over again like an echo, the more those things seem to be possibly true in some way to many of those people out there. People do this to each other and to the alien races all of the time too. And anybody could do it to you or me too.

Propaganda is always created against political opponents. If there was any known truth to your insinuation against those you name or other people in power, it would likely come out as public record. I have no reason to think that your statement is true at all as it is. I am sure that there are some deviates in positions of govt authority, but there are deviates in all possible positions in life. I suspect that a high position of govt would make it much more unlikely that such a deviate could get all the way there with such a problem going on.

Ask yourself how many times you have heard that repeated, and in what kinds of circles by what kind of personalities. I would say there is something amiss with the people in those circles, and that is why they are together in them, going around and around with those kinds of tales. Now, if you have any personal knowledge about a particular deviate person in power, I would like to hear all about it from you.

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You said that leading governments have contact with aliens. Can you tell me exactly how this contact with them is made and where? Can you tell when the alien will make open contact???

I do not know exactly how this contact is made with them or where.

I also do not know when the alien races will make open contact with our world, except "soon" which to me means "before much changes." When certain people and things are in place, it will happen. It is already an inevitable plan of the alien races', and the event is close enough for them to start telling people they are getting ready.

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What if one government thinks it must start a nuclear war and all the people in the world are in danger, will the aliens help us?

The first rule is non-interference. However, the alien races have a jurisdiction to work actively within the bounds of. It is their mission to ally with our world, and this naturally includes helping us out with some things if we choose to let them. If something directly and direly threatens our entire race or their entire objective with our race, it then becomes within their jurisdiction to intercede for us. They could do this very discreetly and they can do it through the help of human individuals. They do not need to make a scene or anything.

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Can aliens get as agressive as people can? Are there killings and crimes in the alienworld?

Any people can get as defensive as we can get -- angry, strong, determined. But it is desperation that creates such bad-will actions. Advanced races do not have any of the basic kinds of desperation that we humans live under daily.

Ask whether any person in the Universe might steal or fight or kill for food to feed himself or his starving family. I would think yes probably anybody. Maybe some would and some would not, but it would be hard to guess of any individual until you saw them in that situation. In this analogy, none of the advanced races is starving for food, so my answer to you would be, Yes, they can get as aggressive as we do, but no, they do not get as aggressive as we do. They don't have to because they have overcome those things already.

EarthSister

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Nancy, when we die and when we are in the spirit world, can we see also alienspirits? I asume that they also have spirits. Is there something as distance and time in the spirit world?

Aurora025

Yes, we can see spirits of alien people when we die if we want to. We can see anybody we want to see when we die. We can see spirits of alien people and anybody else while we are alive too, though.

You're right, the alien people are body and spirit, as we are. The spirit is more of who we really are though. More accurately, we have a body. We are already ourselves before we ever have a body, and we continue to be ourselves between and through each of our lives. Just as here we learn and grow and accumulate abilities, experience and knowledge through our life, our spirit continues to increase throughout our entire spiritual existence.

There is time and distance everywhere in every realm, but nowhere do they exist strictly within our human concept of them. There is time in the spirit world, but no being is bound by time constraints there. There is distance there, but no being is bound or limited by distance there.

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Eathsister do you believe in rael and raelians.

Of course not.

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Or do you want to build a something in Jerusalem Too.

Does it seem like it to you?

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I still see that word rally.

I have no rally.

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hi Earthsister i was wondering,did you had a nice time?
greet newsman we missed you.

I had a wonderful time, thank you!

And thank you, Everyone, for the welcome backs. You guys are great!

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Op vrijdag 1 oktober 2004 10:32 schreef DonGorgon het volgende:
Hi Earthsister

so..you had an exciting visit in Florida! Everything ok?[quote]

Hi, DonGorgon

Yes, everything is ok. I love to see my mother. She's wonderful. I brought two of my children with me and we all experienced the hurricane together. It was incredibly scary for a while, but the rest of our time together was just golden. We talked a lot, even late into the nights. We cooked together, played games with the kids, went for walks, took care of the house.

[quote]Did you had any contact yet (or again), with 1 of the OVR?

My last contact that I am aware of was with Zar, his first man Naha, and a few of their crew on Sunday morning. It was an unofficial visit to spend time together. We talked for a little while about "the" important things in life (do you know what they are?) and enjoyed each other's company for the rest of the day. This does not happen very often, but every once in a while. We didn't talk about any project business, at least not consciously.

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I really would like to know in what timespan the the OVR will show themselves to the public.

Do you have any indication?

I continue to see the signs of the day approaching, such as increasing general awareness and interest in alien life among humans, increasing sightings, a more serious approach to the subject, more people realizing that our govts are hiding physical evidence and why, and of course the great collective need and desire to know the other races! I don't have a date when it will be, but it feels to me like it could happen at any time. I look at what is happening in the world and try to take a guess, but your guess can be as good as mine when would be the optimal time. There will be no time that is just right, but certainly when enough things are in place, that will be the best time. Many people, human and alien are working to get those things into place. Time is a factor because people on Earth are suffering, but the outcome has to be as smooth and positive as possible. The more ready we are as a race, the better for us. And of course, the aliens can't just take over. It has to be our (human's) choice to accept contact. The leadership of one country has to break the rules, take on pressure from the opposing countries and be able to uphold under the strife. The more individuals like you and me across our globe who will realize and support what the effort is, the more quickly and productively it will progress through the problems we are going to have with it.

The goal is to ally our races. If that is not bound to happen, there is no sense, and a "grand debut" would only further disrupt our world. If we were not ready, a debut would cause us to cement current misperceptions. If the alien races just suddenly showed up to everyone, that would look to us like invasion, and nobody public would have any reason to think otherwise. We would be left vulnerable to believe whatever our leaderships choose to claim or disclose, and each of our leaderships would have something different to say. Our leaderships and our faith in our leaderships could crash, and still nobody would have any reason to believe what the aliens have to say for themselves.

A point in evolution is over a period of many years, even thousands, and "the" big debut is only one event in a long playing series of many important events both before and after the one we are all anticipating. The best way to see how close we are to where we are going is by looking at what is happening where we are, how fast we are traveling, and back at the patterns of the tracks along where we have come.

The Project for our world is thousands of years old. I don't know how many thousands. In 1990, 30 of 172 visiting races were organized together, working with individual humans to teach the general public about alien life, and working with the rest of the visiting races to organize their activities into one unit and one high standard of contact. More of our neighboring races who would not even try to work with us before that time, could finally set up here and start to visit and get to know humans. The newly visiting races joined right into the organization and began to help with the rest. There were problems that took time to work out, which were solved as fairly as possible to everyone by the efforts of everyone involved, and with the help and guidance of the lead organizing races. As of April 2000, the last remaining visiting races joined the organization. Now all of our visiting races work together. No outside race can visit without permission and escort. No contact between humans and alien life is conducted outside of the organization. No visiting race is any form or kind of an abductor. Every visiting race shares the best possible skills, expertise, techniques and tools for use during contact with humans.

There are problems still. But when we human individuals have a chance to talk with somebody we can see and hear and understand, have our questions answered and see what is really going on, then we can make our own conscious choices of whether we would like to proceed in any activities with alien life. Without some foresight, we only have raw instinctual fear and mistrust of the "unknown" bolstered and perpetuated by gory horror stories. I personally have helped introduce "many" humans to their own alien contacts. Most were terrified until they learned a few things for themselves about the aliens, and now they have their own experience and position, and they can help others too. Once humans get to know the alien people a little bit, they can start to accept them for who and what they really are.

Trust takes time to build in us humans. It can't be forced. Humans believing that alien life is not real, or worse- believing the aliens are monsters, is making it very difficult for the alien races to build our race's trust in them. As long as our leaders (those who are controlling our information and threatening the aliens to stay away) can keep us ill-informed and terrified, they can keep controlling our world's interests without their public's opinion or vote, or even our knowledge.

Eventual open contact between our worlds is inevitable. But the publics have to take the truth. All our leaders are not going to break down, admit all their lies and give us the truth even after Japan opens contact. Individuals need a reason to believe what we will hear out of Japan instead of what the other nations will claim against the aliens and against Japan.

So that is why it is taking time, and the more individuals on Earth that get a good idea of what is really going on in our leaderships before it happens, and get to know the alien people personally, the better.

Does it seem to you like the human race is ready to ally with our visiting races yet? What kinds of things can people do to help get us ready?

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Op dinsdag 5 oktober 2004 16:31 schreef P8 het volgende:

you forgot to answer my question from the last topic: are there any authentic photo's of crop circles or aliens that you know of?

Hai, P8

I will see if I can find a picture of an authentic crop formation. I have asked and been told long ago about a few particular pictures that are authentic, but I do not recall them from my mind.

I have never seen an authentic photo of an alien being.

Photos of authentic crop formations and photos of authentic alien beings are not in the same category of availability. Anybody can see a crop formation and take a picture. It can't be moved or hidden. They are abundant. They are enormous and placed for the purpose of being spotted by humans. The disguise of them by authorities comes in the form of destruction, recreation and the claim of authorship.

Alien beings are very discrete and protective of themselves with a mind of their own. They do not openly expose themselves physically to our atmosphere, so could not be photographed by surprise in passing. Only by remote tragic accident or military attack can an alien being fall out of the sky and be trapped on the ground with humans and then be photographed, and yes these things have happened. The alien people immediately to quickly die in our atmosphere. Any photos of any alien people would be of them deceased, and be in top secret custody of secret govt. Any remote chance of an authentic photo of an alien being circulating in the public would be investigated for the surrounding circumstances of the person who had it and how he obtained it, and that person would be in danger for that reason, if there really was any such reason.

On the other hand, phony photographs are more than welcome in the public, especially when they look authentic and the authors claim that they are, because with the greater number of those that are believed fake, that helps ruin any true belief in alien life at all. The media is saturated with fake evidence.

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and another question:
have the aliens given you something? like a jewel or something? or did they enhance your body with certain technologies? like something which expands your lifespawn or something?

They have never given us any material thing except the occasional implant.

Some of our use of our natural abilities has been enhanced by an affect of something like surgery. This opens channels without any addition of machinery or bionics. Natural changes in physical and spiritual structure are hastened ahead of the human evolutional process so that we can more easily access our natural abilities between our spirits and our bodies for the purpose of our work with our alien contacts.

Our spiritual abilities are not made by the procedure. We are naturally "of" advanced races by our heritage already, and our abilities are ahead of what is normal for humans to have. Only our physical human access to them has been enhanced for our use of them beyond what we could achieve without.

These procedures are not common among all alien experiencers.

These procedures do not expand our lifespan.

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Op dinsdag 5 oktober 2004 17:33 schreef lplover het volgende:
Hey Nancy!

How often do the aliens visit you?

Hai, Iplover! Thank you for waiting for me.

Our alien contacts visit us consciously from every day, to one or two times a week, to one or two times a month or so. Sometimes not for a couple of months at a time. It all depends on what we are working on and if they need to meet with us on this level about it. A lot of our work with them is done in higher states of consciousness and at those times we do not physically recall much of it at all.

We mostly know about the things we need to know about. To know all of it and keep track of it would be too much extra demanding activity for our lives.

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And do you know what that sound coming from my neck is and who that voice I heard could be, I've written about that in the last topic. I haven't heared that voice ever since : (

I don't know what that voice you heard was. I think the answers others gave you about it are very good, though.

EarthSister

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Op donderdag 7 oktober 2004 01:53 schreef EarthSister het volgende:

Does it seem to you like the human race is ready to ally with our visiting races yet?

Some very interesting questions, but difficult to answer.

I don't think the human race is ready yet for the "introduction". But they won't be within 20 years or even 50 years either. Skipping this problem, I think that an alliance is very possible indeed. Only those countries that are less powerfull in world politics (incl. military influence etc.), will be more open-minded towards aid from outer space. In that case, the USA will be one of the most difficult countries to persuade. They will fear to loose their mighty world influence.
India E.G. will soon be the biggest nation on Earth. With an increasing poverty and increasing number of diseases (such as AIDS), this country is "begging" for help.

Looking at countries, we sometimes see leaders as powerfull men, hardly to give up their privileged positions and fancy customs. Those are the difficult ones. The people, however, have the power. They are the ones that need help and ask for help.

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What kinds of things can people do to help get us ready?

The most difficult question.

1. We can help our fellow citizens to be aware of the fact that alien races will visit us. Exactly like you are doing ES. For that purpose we have to have experiences. I can't convince my parents simply by a story that I've read on the internet. Although it may seem plausible to me. On the other hand, the "believers" are far outnumbered. Their noble strive to convince people won't get us anywhere. (at least not on a large scale in the near future)

2. Leading government members can declare on oath, that aliens do exist and that evidence of extraterrestrial contact will be presented.

3. NASA space explorers might find something on Mars or elsewhere, that won't be kept secret but will be published to the entire world.

P8

The crop formation that is on Led Zeppelin's album produced in the 1970's is authentic, made by alien life. I don't know what the symbols read. The company uses this picture logo on their Remasters album also.

I will see if I can find any more.

EarthSister

Something strange has happend this evening and there are some coincidences so my mom now deffinately doesn't believe in coincidence anymore. It was evening and me, my mom and my dad were watching tv. The phone rings and my mom picks up. It's the sister of my grandma. I can hear them talking, I hear my mom ask how she's doing (she broke her hip recently) and she said "I'm doing fine" and they were talking about her learning to walk again. She sounded normal, as always her voice sounded very positive. An hour later, we are watching tv again, the phone rings again. My mom picks up again, I can hear it's the son of the sister. He sais the sister of my grandma just died. She just called us!!! It turnes out that the hairdresser of my grandma called her sister today so that my grandma could talk to her sister, so she talked to her on the day she died. They love eachother very much, my grandma was in tears after she heared she broke her hip. SO in a way, that was actually her goodbye. Then it also turnes out the sister called the previous neighbour of my grandma, to ask for the phone number of my grandma that she lost. So the neighbour could say goodbye to her too. But she couldn't find the number, so she calles my mom. So she could say goodbye to my mom too. Her son went to see her this evening, he get's there and in a few minutes she dies, in his arms. So she actually waited with dying till her son came!!! I've had that also with my guinee pigs and my hamsters, they waited for me and then they died. What my mom and I also find strange and see as a sign she was going to die, was the fact that she broke her hip and she seemed to heal very good and fast. At that time my grandma and us visited her. But then suddenly she has a bleeding in her bowel and she needs a bloodtransfusion. I think this is the beginning of the end, but again, she heals very fast and few weeks later she's in a revalidation home, where she dies. Last thing pointing to her death is the fact that she asked her son recently to pray for her. I was sad when I heared the news, but I'm not so said anymore. I just feel really bad for my grandma and her son, he lost his father (her husband) this year as well. But I'm glad see died fast and was happy and with her son, and I know she's in a good place right now

Iplover

I too notice that sometimes "coincidences" are what we see of it when somebody up there is helping us take care of things.

God bless your family.

thank you earthsister. ive found one which is impossible to make in one night by humans (so they say). so is this one authentic?


and whats the idea of making cropcircles? What do the aliens want to accomplish with such actions?

edit: the black dot in the center is a person, just to indicate how large it is

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and another question:

Aliens too believe there is a god. but if i remember correctly, you claimed all does not end when you die. now i agree 80 years is very short to satisfy all my curiousity. But i think i'd be fed up with everything after a million years or so. however, when youre already dead, you cant get killed or kill yourself. so in fact, after a few billion years, immortality turns into the greatest curse there is. are we all doomed to face this? or is there something like reincarnation?

*post to keep this topic in my act.topics*

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Op vrijdag 8 oktober 2004 16:02 schreef P8 het volgende:
thank you earthsister. ive found one which is impossible to make in one night by humans (so they say). so is this one authentic?
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Hai, P8.

My strong opinion is that this formation is made by humans. It is a very simple patterns of circles too- the easiest and fastest form to make in crops. It is very loud, but doesn't say anything at all. Think: would an important message say, "the THE the THE the THE the THE the THE the"? I don't know any other circumstances of this formation, but there is nothing about its photo that suggests to me that it is alien-made.

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and what's the idea of making crop circles? What do the aliens want to accomplish with such actions?

Humans record and categorize all known crop formations, and the alien races put them right where we can find them for that very purpose. "Special interest groups" create many additional formations though, for the purpose of muting and confusing public opinion of all formations, authorship and meanings. It's a big game of competition between the human circle makers, but to the professionals behind them it's a serious business of preserving the current corrupt way of governing Earth.

Authentic crop formations spell out important things we need to know about the alien races and their activities here. The fact that humans cannot reproduce them with the same affects on soil and vegetation further testifies (along with personal claims of contact and public sightings of crafts) that alien life is visiting. The fact that the formations are so coded that we cannot read them or further speak for (misrepresent) the messages testifies to which are authentic and which are fake. The greatest value of the messages to us from the alien races will be in our historical perspective, because when we solve or are given the codes, and we can read back over the history of alien visitation, only the truth will come out at the end of all these years of government-generated confusion. The long history will prove the alien races' abilities and intentions, including their peaceful visitation and continuous offer of assistance despite the accusations. The reasons for government corruption and cover-up of alien visitation to our world over this period of time will also become openly apparent to the public.

What the alien races want to accomplish is giving humans true information about themselves. If we (our leaders) already, today, had the codes cracked, they could make more formations that "prove" more untruths. If we could similarly affect the molecules of the stems, we would not recognize authentic from fake. The alien races only want to help our whole race, not interfere between our factions. It would be greatly beneficial to all of us if our governments would change their ways before they have to face the music. Only the publics can force the changes upon our governments. It is not the place of the other races to do so.

Think of the formations as a personal coded diary of information and events published for the public daily by the suspects, that cannot be deciphered (or hidden, or rewritten, or appended, or edited, or censored) until it's time for closing arguments of their 50 year criminal trial.

EarthSister

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Op zaterdag 2 oktober 2004 23:22 schreef EarthSister het volgende:
Bucc4n33R

I just wrote a long response to you, but it came out sounding pretty defensive, probably just because I am a little tired. So I am deleting it. I will save it and modify it later if I decide to answer you with it again. You raised some good points that should be addressed and I don't mean to skip over your posts.

You sure?

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Op vrijdag 8 oktober 2004 16:09 schreef P8 het volgende:

Aliens too believe there is a god. but if i remember correctly, you claimed all does not end when you die. now i agree 80 years is very short to satisfy all my curiousity. But i think i'd be fed up with everything after a million years or so. however, when youre already dead, you cant get killed or kill yourself. so in fact, after a few billion years, immortality turns into the greatest curse there is. are we all doomed to face this? or is there something like reincarnation?

It is my simple understanding from my personal experience in my own lives, and from what I have been told by advanced life (alien life), by spirits (people I communicate with who are deceased) and by divine life (Angels) that we are not limited to one physical life. Just as there is a "normal" life span for us, there is a normal span of time to remain "in the spirit world" between lives before we reenter physical life-- a new body and life. There is also a "normal" number of lives we can have before we move beyond this period, into another stage of existence. We humans all have the opportunities of "a few" lives, I am told. I don't know how many is the normal, but it is not continual forever. We always have an individual choice of lives- it does not happen randomly. We choose what we want to do, where we want to go, and who we want to be with for our future lives with understanding of the chances, and assume the risks of our choices. We are never alone. We always have guidance and protection available.

When our bodies die, we are still everything we are now, and have ever been (accumulated) by spirit. There is "some" element of physicality to our spirit. Our spirits are not made of nothing, they are made of something. Our consciousness is tangible and audible and manipulate-able energy. (Please do not assume that I fully understand this.)

Reincarnation is real, but not in the way we commonly think of it. We don't start over spiritually with every life. We continue to learn and grow between lives as well. We are productively active between lives in a natural way for us, just as during life. Our souls are in a continuum, always improving and increasing in every way- knowledge, experience, ability, intelligence. When we come back to Earth again, we bring all our gains back with us. This is what evolves our species spiritually. Our human spirituality transfers our contribution to physical life just by living it.

It is normal for people to live a number of lives in their own race, with their own families. Our spirits have a line of ancestry just as our bodies do. Our spirits have abilities and "make-up" as unique to our own races as our bodies are. Our spirits are "born" at the evolutional point of our race, just as our bodies are.

It is not common for a spirit of one race on one world to then reincarnate into another race on another world. When this happens, that person (spirit) has chosen to work between the worlds. This is how some people on Earth are directly related to beings of other races. Also the offspring of these people on Earth are related to alien life and inherit the relationship and the opportunity of contact.

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Op vrijdag 8 oktober 2004 23:42 schreef Bucc4n33R het volgende:

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You sure?

Hai, Bucc4n33R

Yes, I am absolutely sure I don't want to argue with your opinions. That would be a debate and I just don't have the time or energy for that kind of exchange. I am very happy to answer your questions about what I know from my own experience. I fully respect your disagreement and disbelief. I just don't want to argue.

I probably missed some of your questions and I apologize. I didn't mean to ignore you but I think I answered most of them either directly or in other ways. If you really want to hear something specific that I have to say about something else, could you please reask, a little at a time? My computer time is not unlimited and I was a little overwhelmed by the labor of your responses before.

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Op zaterdag 9 oktober 2004 00:00 schreef EarthSister het volgende:

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Hai, Bucc4n33R

Yes, I am absolutely sure I don't want to argue with your opinions. That would be a debate and I just don't have the time or energy for that kind of exchange. I am very happy to answer your questions about what I know from my own experience. I fully respect your disagreement and disbelief. I just don't want to argue.

I probably missed some of your questions and I apologize. I didn't mean to ignore you but I think I answered most of them either directly or in other ways. If you really want to hear something specific that I have to say about something else, could you please reask, a little at a time? My computer time is not unlimited and I was a little overwhelmed by the labor of your responses before.

Well, you said I raised some good points. And that you would address them later. By all means, be my guest.

Bucc4n33R

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Nobody can tell for sure whether somebody has seen Elvis either, Or if little goblins really do exist. If you are willing to believe that then indeed, nobody will stop you but you won't be able to engage yourself in a serious discussion either.

If you do not know anything about alien life, then Elvis being alive and goblins are the same to you "in your mind" as alien life. And you are right, if you believe in anything outside of what society accepts, you will not be taken seriously. This makes you and your opinion completely defenseless against the manipulation by authorities. I offer you another perspective to learn the dynamics of this predicament for yourself.

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EarthSister told us in one of her first posts that she is honest and willing to educated us. Education is transferring verifiable knowledge. Well, I like to be educated.

I don't know everything about all of this. Education is not always verifiable. If you do not accept the possibility that my experiences are real, that does not make them then become unreal, except to you.

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It is not a matter choice. Not a matter of "wanting" to believe or not. I don't know about you but if I enter a (semi) scientific discussion, faith should only play a marginal part. In this case it is up to a 100% faith.

Let me make it clear: "I am not asking you to believe me." I will make it even more clear with full respect to your position: "Please do not believe me."

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I wouldn't make a whole lot of fuss about it if it wasn't for EarthSisters rather bold claims.

Why make a fuss at all? Nobody is being taken advantage of here. If I was not sure of my claims, I would not be so bold. I would have no reason or purpose to be so bold.

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Take this little gem for instance. EarthSister wrote;
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No other bases , all bases are military , (four corners meeting points? WRONG!!! )
(The underground building at four corners is not a base, but a storage facility and meeting ground that belongs only to the aliens races. Our military knows what the place is, and they are set up there to watch, and to cause the area to look like a human military base. All actual military bases on Earth above and below ground are human- owned and operated. That is my clear understanding which I will stick by. If I find I am mistaken in what I have been told and taught about it, I will tell you. I am not offended or defensive against your difference of knowledge or opinion
This is an example, and only one of many in which she claims to know about because the aliens have told her. In this case the real purpose of a military facility. Now I don't really care if it is in fact some Allen meeting point, the secret tomb of Jimmy Hoffa or a modern doctor Frankensteins laboratory. Like I said. We don't have proof, she is not telling and thus it can be anything.

"To you" "in your own mind" it can be anything. Not to me. What is in your mind does not determine the reality or nature of something at some proximity outside of your mind. The place is what it is. I only know a little bit about it, not everything, but it is from my personal experience.

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However, and this is the tricky part, she also makes claims about our military. Indirectly she indicates that our military (or some countries military for that matter) is some sort of entity of its own that is placed outside the so called real world. They (the military) know stuff that we, the peasants are not allowed to know about.

This is true and I think you clearly know that. But it is not a whole government that is secret. The secret parts of the government(s) are secret even from the common government, and that is what's tricky. The military follows government orders and is part of government, if I understand it right. I don't see any distinct difference between a government and its military.

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They even help the aliens to hide themselves. ( It also indicates that our military is to some extent controlled by the aliens. I point I will not discuss in this post any further because that would make me side track too much. More on that later)

You are putting too many extra ideas and words under my fingernails, beyond your personal perspective too, I believe. Both the US govt and the aliens are "hiding" the aliens, but for opposite reasons. The Dulce facility is not open to military. The alien races have it well protected from military.

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This has serious implications because she also wrote this:
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...Only the aliens control the evidence of themselves and they do not give it to individual humans to bear the burden of.
So, in this case "the military" knows about an alien storage facility. That is tangible proof. One could go in there and see what those aliens are storing. There must be some contact between "the military" and the aliens.

Nobody can go in there who is not invited and escorted by alien life. The military is set up around it to make it look to you like the place is their own.

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This has the following consequences:

1) The aliens DO NOT control the evidence all by themselves but have humans aiding them.

The aliens show and place evidence of themselves. Once it's here, Earth authorities manipulate it for the demise of your opinion.

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2) Some humans (individuals) DO bear the burden of evidence.

It is true at least in some ways, some individual humans help handle evidence of alien life. However, this makes alien contactees into targets. So unless it is part of their job to be a target, they do not have evidence handed to them by the aliens. As a public speaker, it is important that I have no evidence so I can do what I do. Look what happens to the top scientists and researchers who have worked on solving the mysteries of crop formations, and those who go public with video evidence of alien crafts. If they refuse to be bought, they and their families are harassed and worse until they debunk their own work and go away.

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3) Aliens do not control who knows about them and how much. Since recruiting officers are the ones who are picking the people to join the military, the aliens are not in full control who are near their alleged facilities and thus DO NOT even control WHO will bear that burden of evidence.

The alien races have very good control over who "knows" about them personally. Many know "of" them but that is not the same thing. Many people find out from other people and that is only beneficial to the aliens and the people. Very few in the military is privy to govt secrets, especially the most dire secrets including about what they know about our visiting races. Our govts do not know much at all about the races themselves, but they know a great deal about the visitation of the alien races. The govts only know personally about the aliens what the aliens decide to tell them.

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4) The military is some sovereign entity, placed outside the world we all know.

Some of the military is. I wonder if you have a personal reason not to believe that or to try to prevent others from realizing it? Perhaps you have your own investment of belief in something about the ufo field or the alien races?

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These are just a few implications I picked out of just two of her posts.

I don't want to be an ass. I am questioning her statements not because I don't want to believe or because I can't fathom anything that isn't tangible. I am questioning her statements because I am curious and very much interested in this matter. Not questioning her statements would be rude because than I wouldn't take her seriously.

I am not implying, I am telling, and I am telling without any expectation of belief or faith. You should ~never~ believe something just because you hear it. I am independent. I write all my own material which is all directly from my own experiences. Whatever you can get out of it, take it and think whatever is natural to you. I don't want anything for it. I certainly don't want a hassle. Your aggressive demeanor would be better served to a larger organized body of professionals such as The Disclosure Project. Your gripe is founded, but I am not the one you should have any gripe with.

If you are interested in what I say, listen. If you are against me for sharing my own experiences and what I am learning, just don't listen. There is no argument needed, and no need to exaggerate my words back to me. Please be careful when you quote me, because it takes up an awful lot of my time to have to defend myself about things I did not exactly say, and about things you might imagine I meant.

I think if you are so interested in the subject, you would help encourage other people to explore ideas and opinions as well. There is no reason for you to warn others against me. I am not any threat. Perhaps you fear that I must have some ulterior motive that will eventually be revealed sometime down the road? If so, I can only show you that I don't. And I assure you that nobody is being hurt by the exchange of information and ideas here. I don't want anything except to make myself available to answer the questions that I can, and of course to learn some things from others here too. I very much enjoy the people here and I don't want to be put so on the defensive.

I sincerely appreciate and respect your position. Please appreciate and respect mine.

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Op donderdag 7 oktober 2004 23:53 schreef EarthSister het volgende:
Iplover

I too notice that sometimes "coincidences" are what we see of it when somebody up there is helping us take care of things.

God bless your family.

Thank you so much Nancy!!! It's weird, I didn't have a bad feeling about it these last days. I don't feel sad or anything. But I know I'll get very sad at the funeral, I always get very sad at funerals. That's when I realize the person is gone, but before and after that I really don't have the feeling their really gone. I still haven't got the feeling my grandfather is gone, though he died 4 years ago. After her death I had the strong feeling we had to go on with our lives, I had the strong feeling she wanted that. Yesterday, a day after her death I had a schoolparty and I went there. I think I did good by going there, cause a band I liked was playing there and now I'm completely fan and I feel better and happier than ever!!!

Iplover

Thank you for telling me that. I understand you better now. Stay strong. Parting with loved ones is always very sad. But I believe you are right, that they are never really gone.

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Op zaterdag 9 oktober 2004 17:05 schreef lplover het volgende:

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Thank you so much Nancy!!! It's weird, I didn't have a bad feeling about it these last days. I don't feel sad or anything. But I know I'll get very sad at the funeral, I always get very sad at funerals. That's when I realize the person is gone, but before and after that I really don't have the feeling their really gone. I still haven't got the feeling my grandfather is gone, though he died 4 years ago. After her death I had the strong feeling we had to go on with our lives, I had the strong feeling she wanted that. Yesterday, a day after her death I had a schoolparty and I went there. I think I did good by going there, cause a band I liked was playing there and now I'm completely fan and I feel better and happier than ever!!!

This thread turns more and more in to a personal problem of your live, handle ur bizz but stop going offtopic plz, or get a shrink

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Op zondag 10 oktober 2004 14:17 schreef 2NutZ het volgende:

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This thread turns more and more in to a personal problem of your live, handle ur bizz but stop going offtopic plz, or get a shrink

I'm so so so very sorry!!! This was totally not my meaning, it just happens to me every time. Guess I should leave now, nice to have met you Nancy and everyone, I've learned a lot, but it was not meant to be. Oh, and yes I already have a schrink, thank you.
Bye everyone!!! *cries and leaves thread*

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Op zondag 10 oktober 2004 16:24 schreef lplover het volgende:

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I'm so so so very sorry!!! This was totally not my meaning, it just happens to me every time. Guess I should leave now, nice to have met you Nancy and everyone, I've learned a lot, but it was not meant to be. Oh, and yes I already have a schrink, thank you.
Bye everyone!!! *cries and leaves thread*

Please stay, Iplover. If ES's responses made you feel better, than it is a good thing. But from now on, it's better to stick to the point.

In general, this thread misses the discussion. Maybe we could change the topic title to "An Interview With EarthSister".

Iplover

You didn't do anything "wrong" and I see no reason for you to leave just because of a request to stay on topic.

I've seen the movie The Secret.NASA.Transmissions.The.Smoking.Gun today, and I must say I was impressed.
So many "spheres" seeming to keep an eye on us ...
When & what will the next step be ?

Hai, UncleScorp

I didn't see that movie.

What I understand about what the alien races are doing is increasing sightings and awareness. There are a number of steps to that but all increasing to a point that "we" get to, when we will be sufficiently prepared to accept open contact.

Do you recommend that everyone watch that movie? And what do you feel we can all get out of it?

Does everyone has to watch that movie ?
I dunno, most people are just too sceptical about everything, so they won't believe this either.
You can't see an alien waving at the camera ...
You just see a lot of unexplainable lights and spheres around everything we do in space ...
The movie comes from someone who has recorded the full flights of all shuttles in the past years, and he examined everything, and found these things we cant explain.

So "we" got to be prepared for the visit ... will we ever be enough prepared ?
Someone on the video said it too : "We are not children ... if there is anything out there, we need to know ..."

Lets assume we are getting some visitors in the near future. How do you propose we prepare for that? There are billions of people on this sphere that do not regularly watch CNN, trawl the internet for information on funny glowy thingies in the sky or have governments that or known for their forthcomingness with information.

I would go as far as to say that 75% of the population of planet earth has never seen the X-files or independance day and never got onto the roswell bandwagon. THey see funny lights in the sky and they don't think 'ALIENS', they merely think 'hey, funny lights'.

This is including the Chinese. The lucky few in the major cities would probably benefit from the efford, but the majority on them lives in the back country, planting rice and generaly being oppressed. It matters little if a goverment group turns your valley into a lake or a funny light in the sky keeps taking your cattle.

In other words, preparation is a relative thing. If the object is to prevent mass hysteria or even agrresive respons then they are targetting a very very minor part of the populus. Granted, it is the part in control of the nuclear weapons, but still.

I personally don't believe we get off world visitors any time soon. I do believe other intelligent life is out there, somewhere (as a statistician I have to) but other than a dubious radio blib I don't think we'll see any major development in this field.

I am however more than willing to entertain the notion as a given fact and going from that does not as such impress me. We never see HUGE funny thingies, only relatively small ones. We never see anything we truely cannot explain, just things we do not appear to be able to reproduce at this time with our current technology and understanding of the laws of physics. All the anomalies are also earth based. They never happen way out there in deep space, they always happen in farmer Green's spring corn or near items (satelites) or installations that are mysterious in their own right.

Whenever something really funky happens in deep space, we always explain it as another wonderful miracle of space and proceed to formulate a theory that fits. It's always something extremely complicated with blackholes and such. It's never a spaceship venting used propulsion sources.

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Op zondag 10 oktober 2004 16:24 schreef lplover het volgende:

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I'm so so so very sorry!!! This was totally not my meaning, it just happens to me every time. Guess I should leave now, nice to have met you Nancy and everyone, I've learned a lot, but it was not meant to be. Oh, and yes I already have a schrink, thank you.
Bye everyone!!! *cries and leaves thread*

Oh Mah Gawd, worse then i thought.

I just asked to stay on topic instead of turning this thread into a personal problem thread, I just dont find it interesting but i do find this topic interesting and i didnt ask u to leave now did i?

Ontopic: Dont know if this question is asked before but do u know anything about alien crafts on how they (kinda) work? DId u hear anything from ur alien friends about how their flying technique works? I read something about pulses of electricity going over a the outside of the craft making a twirling movement and thus creating a spot in the middle of the craft of anti gravity.

Anything familiar with you?

2NutZ

I don't know about pulses of electricity going over the outside of a craft making twirling movements, as you describe, but I would not rule it out by your description. I only know a little about how the alien races travel.

Here is a paste from another forum where I answered similar questions. I know these things directly from my alien contacts, not from any other source. (I may have already pasted this earlier in this thread.)

>>So, how do they get here?<<

The alien individuals fly here in their crafts with their respective working crews. They use large crafts for long distance traveling, and park them outside our atmosphere to live in, and use smaller shuttle crafts to approach the surface of our planet from the larger crafts. For short distances between close worlds, they simply fly straight the way we think of it at a high rate of speed. For vast distances, they cross into another dimension to fly the same course to the same place at the same high speed, but at a greater value of time.

>>What form of energy do they use to propel themselves?<<

As many different advanced races as there are, use a different main method of propulsion. The same as we mine for our natural power sources such as coal and oil, others mine for their own elements. Their methods are advanced and refined to last a very long time. Sometimes the power source is so efficient and stable that it outlives the craft and is replaced in a new craft a number of times before it has become ineffective. Some of the most advanced power sources are self-contained and recycle themselves with no waste. One of our visiting race's ships have panels that catch light like a sailboat catches wind.

All of the crafts are equipped for safety with backup systems which utilize the surrounding sources of energy, including electromagnetic light and dust particles, as light travels on dust and vice versa. (Light, dust and electromagnetism are all one source of energy.) The energy is absorbed and converted or synthesized by sensors constructed into the structure of the crafts. If a craft's main energy source were to fail in deep space far away from any backup source of energy, the aliens would be in trouble.

EarthSister
http://www.TheProjectAtEarth.com

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why are they here?

quote:Op zaterdag 2 oktober 2004 22:55 schreef Tatie het volgende:
Dear Earthsister,

Why are the aliens so intrested in us, and why do they want to help us


Greets Tatie.
Hai, Tatie

We are one race of many races of people. We are one of all of them. We are all the same kind, sharing this space and evolution. We are family and friends who belong together.

Understand that this is hard to fathom for such a young, egotistical, hostilely defensive race of people who have not even united their own countries yet.

EarthSister
http://www.TheProjectAtEarth.com

When will this happen?--------my question

displission

It will happen when we are ready "enough" as a race for the other races to be sufficiently welcomed and the procession to be productive.

I don't know when, except as the leaders of the organization say, soon.

When do you think we will be ready? What things do you suppose need to be in place on Earth before we will be ready?

I would like to hear everyone's opinions on this.

Who decides if we are ready ?
1. the aliens ?
2. our leaders ?
3. the people ?

I think the aliens have the best inside view of our whole world at once and will know when we are ready by what we have in place. They know all the secrets and motivations of each country and its main players. They also know the individuals who work with alien life who are moving up into place.

It is clear to me that it's a group effort between everyone, whether we realize or see it or not. It is only the separation we have between our govts and our publics that keep us uninformed and misinformed. There are a lot more things going on than we know about.

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Op maandag 11 oktober 2004 12:23 schreef stigchel het volgende:
I am however more than willing to entertain the notion as a given fact and going from that does not as such impress me. We never see HUGE funny thingies, only relatively small ones. We never see anything we truely cannot explain, just things we do not appear to be able to reproduce at this time with our current technology and understanding of the laws of physics. All the anomalies are also earth based. They never happen way out there in deep space, they always happen in farmer Green's spring corn or near items (satelites) or installations that are mysterious in their own right.

play this at 25 speed or something
well in normal playing mode its nice to watch too though
but i'm convinced at a high rate playing mode there are at least 4 objects clearly visible that are not imitating normal satelites or ice particles

http://perso.club-internet.fr/netpat/video/sts80-1.mpeg

unless ice particles learned to defy a couple of laws

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Op dinsdag 12 oktober 2004 16:11 schreef EarthSister het volgende:
When do you think we will be ready?

When I look into my crystal ball it says about 200 years, give or take a few decades . When looking at history I would say at least another millenia (maybe 2) if humanity survives it's own violence ofcourse.

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What things do you suppose need to be in place on Earth before we will be ready?

I think we're gonna need a lot of mental health institutions. Oh wait, we already need those now haha
I guess a lot of people would go nuts when they hear on the news aliens have landed. Paranoia will break out, people who are different are suspected to be aliens with bad intentions and probably lynched. It gives people already frustrated [fill one of 1000 possibilities to be frustrated in this world] a good reason to join together and unleash their angers on people they didn't like anyway.
In some countries aliens will be proclaimed as devils/demons sent by Satan and the religious followers should kill them (along with those nations associating with them, preferably by nuking the country). At best we'll see a lot of looting and martial laws. Oh and they'll be fueled by all the nuts (as a direct result of people freaking out by the thought aliens exist) who will run about screaming the end of the world is nigh and reciting biblical prophecies. Did I mention the mass suicides as another big result from people's view of reality being distorted so badly they can't handle their new found reality? They won't do it organized, they'll just run off a high building or drink and use medicine. A lot of people will step forward and act as a leader figure, who will have a lot of people wanting to believe in a person who apparantly "knows it all" when they are lost themselves. Those groups will go on rampage, possibly against aliens (ofcourse those leaders have read extensively on reptilians and those fear based theories). America will see the worst, because as we all know that's where the most nutcases live (not meaning you Nancy ) and worst of all most of those nutcases will have a good reason to finally use all those guns and ammo they've got stored up since the end of the cold war.

Nope, if I was an alien I would just float about contacting individuals, but I'd never set foot on this planet or show in public when there are so many weapons and nutcases. So I'd wait until the next few worldwars and (in case humanity survives) just pray humanity will ever learn to abandon violence by themselves. Too bad for the project but we can always start from scratch (again)

sorry if this is a depressing prediction but what do you expect? Rainbow's everywhere, people singing "halleluja" going on the streets, happy? Everyone united as one race and one religion? Shifts in governments and people in high places? I don't think so, I think it's like dropping a huge bomb of fear on the population, people who do not know what to expect and only have references to Hollywood movies and existing theories about aliens (which are almost all negative) and people have a tendency to react with aggression when confronted by the unknown.

stigchel

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I am however more than willing to entertain the notion as a given fact and going from that does not as such impress me. We never see HUGE funny thingies, only relatively small ones. We never see anything we truely cannot explain, just things we do not appear to be able to reproduce at this time with our current technology and understanding of the laws of physics. All the anomalies are also earth based. They never happen way out there in deep space, they always happen in farmer Green's spring corn or near items (satelites) or installations that are mysterious in their own right.

Whenever something really funky happens in deep space, we always explain it as another wonderful miracle of space and proceed to formulate a theory that fits. It's always something extremely complicated with blackholes and such. It's never a spaceship venting used propulsion sources.

Apply consideration of the filters of control of what you think and see and hear of all alien "things" here. There is careful, dubious control by both the alien races and by Earth leaders.

I mean-- apply their simultaneous control to every aspect to get a more true perception of why we see so little of what is actually happening, and why our perceptions are so bogus by the time any material reaches our consideration.

The_Shining

Great answers! I've shared your views and admit a sense of futile desperation at times.

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sorry if this is a depressing prediction but what do you expect? Rainbow's everywhere, people singing "halleluja" going on the streets, happy? Everyone united as one race and one religion? Shifts in governments and people in high places? I don't think so, I think it's like dropping a huge bomb of fear on the population, people who do not know what to expect and only have references to Hollywood movies and existing theories about aliens (which are almost all negative) and people have a tendency to react with aggression when confronted by the unknown.

My hope and belief is at somewhere in the middle of these two extremes. I will save the perfection for another stage of existence, but no doubt change across a world takes time. Things about us can only move as fast as we can move them. Humanity needs and deserves peace. Peace is not a fairy tale, it is a living reality actively denied us by our leaders' way of running our world.

My hope for humanity is encouraged by my personal witnessing that all the other races who are visiting us have done it- survived and overcome their own "evils" of early development. Exactly how we will come to acquire their assistance where it is so desperately needed, I don't know. But what I feel in my heart and soul is that if we do not make ourselves organized in large numbers and put to use the tools to accomplish it, I will still continue to dig with my bare hands until this mountain is moved.

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Op dinsdag 12 oktober 2004 16:11 schreef EarthSister het volgende:
When do you think we will be ready? What things do you suppose need to be in place on Earth before we will be ready?

I would like to hear everyone's opinions on this.

First of all Earthsister there must be a plan and in this plan a date is written? On this day things will happen. What is soon? Give me a month or even a year.

Secondly Earthsister and I don't wanna be rude but I still believe my watch is an UFO

I 'don't expect you to answer or even give comment on the last sentence but maybe you can add a little bit of light to this whole coversation by saying what month and then even I can see if you are correct. You can ask the "aliens" when? What month? And if they say 2005 we'll hear it.

Sorry, displission. I don't have the time frame from the alien races of when they will show up to everyone except "soon" and that's the way they want it to be.

I don't think the alien races even know exactly when. They don't control everything, and they can't make things get into place here. They can only help and watch to see the time approaching by the strings and orders of events over our history.

I am sure the alien races have a much better idea of when they intend to show up openly besides just "soon" but they are not going to tell me what it is.

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Op dinsdag 12 oktober 2004 21:58 schreef EarthSister het volgende:
I am sure the alien races have a much better idea of when they intend to show up openly besides just "soon" but they are not going to tell me what it is.

why is that you think

A reminder:

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Op woensdag 25 augustus 2004 23:27 schreef EarthSister het volgende:

When the aliens are going to show themselves, I do not know, except as they say "soon." Soon, when they say it, means to me "before much changes."

I suspect any day now to maybe as long as 10 years. But I think it will be much sooner than 10 years. I have asked them when, and they do not even know exactly yet, and will not give me any time frame for it. I can only guess by what I see happening both with the alien races and with the human race.

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Op dinsdag 12 oktober 2004 22:32 schreef Price het volgende:
A reminder:
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was this for me? if it was, you didnt understand my question.
what i meant was why the aliens dont tell her a estimated date

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Op maandag 11 oktober 2004 13:26 schreef 2NutZ het volgende:

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Oh Mah Gawd, worse then i thought.

I just asked to stay on topic instead of turning this thread into a personal problem thread, I just dont find it interesting but i do find this topic interesting and i didnt ask u to leave now did i?

Ontopic: Dont know if this question is asked before but do u know anything about alien crafts on how they (kinda) work? DId u hear anything from ur alien friends about how their flying technique works? I read something about pulses of electricity going over a the outside of the craft making a twirling movement and thus creating a spot in the middle of the craft of anti gravity.

Anything familiar with you?

No you didn't, I'm sorry I overreacted. I just got sad and I didn't want to post here anymore, but know I've read what you all said I feel much better Sometimes I posted things that I thought "why did I post this? No-one cares." but I just wanted to know what Nancy thought about it, cause she seems so nice and smart. I PROMISE I'll never talk about me again!!! I'm sorry I (trek me dingen te veel aan) dunno how to say that in English, I just feel hurt too soon. But don't worry I feel good again and will try to post somethings here again (ONTOPPIC!!!). I'll follow the conversation, don't have anything to ask right now. But I'm glad you all still want me to be here, I feared you were glad I was gone.

That's what I wanted to say

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Op dinsdag 12 oktober 2004 22:48 schreef P8 het volgende:

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was this for me? if it was, you didnt understand my question.
what i meant was why the aliens dont tell her a estimated date

Oh, now I understand your question, but my post wasn't meant for you in particular.

My presumption of your question's meaning was far more interesting: What she thinks the better idea will be? Is it based on a future event, like a coming war? In that case, the other races know what will happen in the future.

P8

The information they give me is safe for me to have and to speak openly about. If I was any threat to anybody or to "national security" I would not be free to speak.

There are many things I ask the alien races that they cannot tell me. Some even seemingly harmless details, if I had them, would indicate my value to some Earth authorities as a kind of target.

I teach by just helping to explain things to interested people. I help broaden public thinking. Most of all, I help individual alien experiencers understand their alien contacts and what is happening to them in their lives. I "need" to remain free to speak to do what I do. It doesn't hurt me or my work to be generally viewed as unsubstanciated.

If you or somebody you care about have an advanced kind of a personal alien experience and were confused and scared and needed somebody to help you sort it out, you would want to talk with somebody like me. At that point, you would want to gain understanding, not evidence.

Certainly you might end up talking with some other kind of professional person instead, such as through an abductee support group. If so, likely what you learn from them would take you further away from where you are trying to get with your alien contacts.

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btw .. earthsister .. thanks again for being here and sharing this info
i dont know if we said it half as much as we should but well
i think its great your taking the time to respond to all the questions

Hi ,

do you know anything about a relation between 21 December 2012, aliens and the earth? That date is discussed for a long time now, but we wonder what it could mean.
I had another question but I guess I forgot .

Grtz, Steven.

There's still a possibility that EarthSister is recruited by nasty aliens to soften us up for an upcoming invasion by an agressive organisation of visiting races that might be after our natural resources.

We have to keep our minds open and clear.

Hi, Earthsister

Do you beliveve in Real and the Realians?

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Op woensdag 13 oktober 2004 01:40 schreef APK het volgende:
There's still a possibility that EarthSister is recruited by nasty aliens to soften us up for an upcoming invasion by an agressive organisation of visiting races that might be after our natural resources.

We have to keep our minds open and clear.

I was thinking about that, but my own theory shows the opposite.

I think, that mankind is at the highest point of evolution when spirit and body will be in perfect harmony. At the time, when we know how to control this, no war, aggression and disease will exist anymore. Our spirit will know what is the true essence of existence. We will respect eachother, because we're all the same. etc.

According to ES's descriptions, the visiting races are far ahead of us. Not only technally, but also spiritually. The latter is, regarding my response to APK's post, of most importance.
I think, the more people (and extraterrestrial equivalents) will evoluate, the more they will understand about their spiritual harmony. Assuming this, it is less likely that beings of an higher consciousness will do us any harm.

Like everywhere, there's always "a pain in the ass". ES told us, that the Organisation Of Visiting Races banned those bandit aliens. They're not welcome anymore.

What would be more difficult to do as an higher developed and more powerful nation? Invade and harm a planet or try to help and make it a better place? e.g. Iraq was simply invaded, but the reconstruction will take a very long time. If the aliens wanted to invade our planet, they had done it already.

The most elite of the Project races is Zar. His race is probably the most evoluated and therefore the most loving one. Assuming, ES is telling the truth about these races, than I'm not afraid to be confronted with one of its exponents.

What bothers me, however, is that they will show themselves very soon. Why very soon and not now? I can't get it out of my mind, that it will be at a crucial moment for world peace. Something will occur, before or after the Tokyo event will take place.

(this post is largely based on the assumed truth of EearthSister's posts, except for the first paragraph)

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Op woensdag 13 oktober 2004 03:32 schreef newsman het volgende:
Hi, Earthsister

Do you beliveve in Real and the Realians?

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 23:19 schreef EarthSister het volgende:
newsman

[Eathsister do you believe in rael and raelians.]

Of course not.

coz:
Thank you very much! It is my pleasure to speak with interested and interesting people such as I have found here. I appreciate your inquisitiveness.

Steeven:
There is no direct or indirect relation between 21 December 2012, the alien races and the Earth. Lots of things happen at any time and at all times by chance. Notice that humans have always had a quirky need for impending dates of catastrophe as well as deliverance. Of course, anybody can look at things happening and realize that those things are probably leading to an eventual point of something, but watch to see for yourself how events line up, and if they really mean what so many people say they believe they mean. A hint: When people don't know something, but they want to know it very badly, they pretend to know it by going along with things like the popular dates that everyone else pretends to know. I am telling you, it's just another popular date all by itself for no special reason. People just keep repeating it.

APK:
When you have something in your hand but you don't know what it is, then "to you" the possibilities of it are literally endless.

Hai, newsman

Thank you, Price.

thank you for answering my question questions earthsister (or would you like to be called nancy?)

but ive got quite a few questions about religion now.
but do you have any idea how and when god excistence was proven?
and how do you know that there is an life after death? is that something which is proven by aliens too?
and if you are a psychopath, like a serial killer, do you remain psycho in your next life? if not, where is the line between whats wrong and whats right? is it ok to be a racist? is it ok to kill serial killers? and who drawed this line?

thanks in advance

Hai, P8

Nancy or EarthSister or ES are all fine with me in this friendly forum.

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but ive got quite a few questions about religion now.
but do you have any idea how and when god excistence was proven?

I do not know the answer to this question. But my ideas and feelings are that for us humans, this proof comes to us in an individual way. For other races who are advanced, I can only imagine what ways they have proof of God's existence. Perhaps they have miracles over their history on video tape. Perhaps each of them (in a group) hears God speak simultaneously. Perhaps their proof is in the sharing of information between worlds.

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and how do you know that there is an life after death?

I know because I have had many experiences with people who's bodies have died.

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is that something which is proven by aliens too?

Yes, and more easily and naturally than it is for us yet.

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and if you are a psychopath, like a serial killer, do you remain psycho in your next life?

I don't know that there is any rule of correlation for this, but I don't think so.

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if not, where is the line between whats wrong and whats right?

In my opinion, there is always a line in its place, but sometimes it's harder to find than at other times. Try to distinguish the stressors that create predicaments in which people will do things that otherwise they would not do. Most humans live in an environment that is unhealthy, although so common that when people break down within it, we tend to assume there is something wrong with those people or that they deserve it.

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is it ok to be a racist?

I don't think so.

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is it ok to kill serial killers?

I don't think so.

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and who drawed this line?

I think God draws the lines.

Now what do you think about the things you just asked me?

in my opinion (if there is a god), god is neither god nor bad. Devine intervention does not excist and god does not care about individuals. God is the one who made the laws of physics and he contains all knowledge in the universe.
now there are 2 things which are possible:
1) containing all knowledge in the universe, immortality is not a curse.
or 2) when we die we become part of God (in the way of conscious, a bit like The Borg in star trek) therefore immortality is not a curse.
god must be immortal, for if he stops to excist, the universe stops to excist. But what good is a guiding force if it turns insane by its own immortality? therefore i believe there must be something which cancels this effect. thats why i brought up those 2 points.
so when we die, i believe we will either stop to excist, or become a part of one great conscious. the way we live our lifes does not affect what will happen after death.

the way you picture god, you make him look like an individual (for example that he draws the line between good and evil). individuals have needs. If god is an individual, he has een opinion. if god has an opinion, he could get egocentric. if he is a true god, he is neutral and does not have an opinion.

this is all asuming that he does excist. im not sure whether to believe my own thing, or to not believe anything at all. im just not sure about all of this. The way you picture it all looks nice, but i dont think it will work out like that.
if you got any questions about my view, dont be afraid to ask it

and my new question:
do aliens commit suicide also? and how are they towards euthanasia?

P8

You have an interesting point of view, thanks for telling me it. It is hard for me to form too intricate of an opinion because my understandings are so simple. When I try to get intricate in describing the way I think about God, even my own thoughts seem to make less sense to me.

I find God an active guide in my life in a very natural way, directly and indirectly through others, which sometimes I am aware of and sometimes I am not. I feel God's presence at any time. I see God in things- things alive and things happening. I feel certain that God does care about every individual whether they are aware of that or not. I feel that our conscious participation is not mandatory to be in God's care and that we are all going "home" when we are done having lives here on Earth.

I have always had a firm, natural belief in God, and a kind of understanding that is hard to name. The people I have looked up to through life for their intelligence and caring nature and peaceful attitude, have also had their own belief in God. All of my spirit friends and alien friends talk in natural ways about God. There is a lot more to this in my life also, but I think you know what I mean.

True, I see God as an individual, but also in everything and everyone as a part of the source of creation. I am not sure how God exists either, but I am sure that he/she does.

About aliens committing suicide? I think some races have this problem which is a result of other problems. I think that of all races, the advanced races have less of this problem because they have less of the problems that cause it. I don't know how advanced a race has to become to have solved most or all of the causing problems. (Not that every race has had all the problems we have.) I feel the answer hinges on the prevalence of causing problems.

Euthanasia? I don't know how all other races feel about it. One time we had a beloved family cat that we had to euthanize because she had gone kind of mental, lashing out at people, tearing up the furniture and eliminating into the carpeting. She had been a very nice pet until something suddenly happened to her that we didn't know about. Her behavior continued to get worse for no apparent reason. The veterinarian agreed that we could not give her this way to another family, and that another family may not even like her or take care of her with these kinds of problems, and that she would suffer and be killed in a shelter. It was very sad for us because she was so loved by our children ever since she was born, a kitten of one of our other housecats.

Anyway, Jack drove her to the vet to do the deed and stayed to make sure that it was actually done, since you hear so much about unwanted cats being used for cruel experiments. Zar went with Jack, and he was just very polite and nonjudgmental. He seemed to have the same point of view that it was a very sad but necessary thing given all the circumstances. At home, I was dismayed at having to do this to our cat, and dismayed at what Zar must think of us for it. It wasn't enough for me that there was no other way to handle it. I felt that there should be. I wondered at the difference in life between a pet and a person. I worried about my pet as a soul and where she would go after she died. I felt very guilty and tried to figure out if what we were doing was wrong like a sin, and if it was wrong in the eyes of such an advanced being as Zar. But he just did not impose his opinion in any verbal or animated way. The whole thing, in my mind, seemed to highlight Zar's sadness of "all" the unfortunate, necessary things we do on Earth that advanced life does not have to do. This was one of the things that made me realize why all the advanced beings, as individuals, have chosen to be here. They already know all about these problems we have and want to help us solve them.

I told you all this just to show you my thinking, because I really just do not know a black and white answer to this question. My alien contacts would not impose a judgment about euthanasia on me by handing me their personal opinion of it in any particular circumstance of it.

[ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door EarthSister op 13-10-2004 23:08:21 ]

There is one thing I find very odd. I keep hearing that governments are covering things up about possible ufo's and alien lifeforms, BUT the Belgian government/airforce have already admitted, years ago that they have dealt in the past with aircrafts that are ufo's to them.
Are you formiliar with that, Nancy?

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Op vrijdag 15 oktober 2004 01:56 schreef kriele het volgende:
BUT the Belgian government/airforce have already admitted, years ago that they have dealt in the past with aircrafts that are ufo's to them.

I think the world government overlooked that small province of Holland.
Just like the Mexican case.

Hi Earthsister

Thank you for your response. I appreciate it very much. Here is mine.

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If you do not know anything about alien life, then Elvis being alive and goblins are the same to you "in your mind" as alien life. And you are right, if you believe in anything outside of what society accepts, you will not be taken seriously. This makes you and your opinion completely defenseless against the manipulation by authorities. I offer you another perspective to learn the dynamics of this predicament for yourself.

That is not true. You equate the search for alien intelligence with mythological figures and urban legends. I think it is very feasible that there are alien species out there in the vastness of our universe and perhaps even on this planet and so do many top scientists. These scientists are funded by the same governments which you claim are not telling the truth. But this isn't about Elvis, Goblins or Aliens. What you believe is one thing, and what you can state as fact is another. I won't hold it against anyone if they believe in Goblins. But as soon as they state what they believe as fact I want to hear something to support that claim. Unless such are provided, a constructive discussion is not possible.

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I don't know everything about all of this. Education is not always verifiable. If you do not accept the possibility that my experiences are real, that does not make them then become unreal, except to you.

I am afraid that you are missing the point. I do accept the possibility that your experiences are real. But so far they are only real to you and those who have are certain prejudice concerning this matter. When you take the prejudice away there is no educational value to your stories left. Education based on preconceived preferences have lead to the most horrible things imaginable.

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Let me make it clear: "I am not asking you to believe me." I will make it even more clear with full respect to your position: "Please do not believe me."

Please explain to me why you don't want me to believe you?

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Why make a fuss at all? Nobody is being taken advantage of here. If I was not sure of my claims, I would not be so bold. I would have no reason or purpose to be so bold.

I don't know what your reasons are. The claims you make are bold and you refuse to defend the claims you make.

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"To you" "in your own mind" it can be anything. Not to me. What is in your mind does not determine the reality or nature of something at some proximity outside of your mind. The place is what it is. I only know a little bit about it, not everything, but it is from my personal experience.

That is why explained in an other post how we can find out we whether someones reality only exists in one's mind or if their is something more. I'm a sure that the Great Monster of the North sea was real for those who couldn't make a distinction between tales and fact.

But I am afraid that you go a little beyond your own experiences and infer reason and predictions. Not to mention few very bold accusations. Like I said, I wouldn't make a lot of fuss about it if you simply would stick to telling your own experiences. But you are not stopping there. You are making claims about the military, governments and "special interest groups" that you can not and will not back up.

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This is true and I think you clearly know that. But it is not a whole government that is secret. The secret parts of the government(s) are secret even from the common government, and that is what's tricky. The military follows government orders and is part of government, if I understand it right. I don't see any distinct difference between a government and its military.

I know that the government is not telling us everything but that doesn't make then less accountable. Unlike the government you avoid accountability. The military and the government are not the same and there is are a few very distinct differences. For one, governments do get newly elected every few years. the military doesn't. The government is making law, the military isn't. The government directs the military, not the other way around. In some cases the government, the military and large military contractors do cloak themselves in mystery and secrecy indeed. And for a good reason. Back in 1990 the world saw the first stealth military plane. It's grand debut was in a horrific war. I hope you do realize that the development of that plane took about a decade. They didn't just fly it from a drawing board, out of a hangar to go one a mission. It was tested thoroughly before it was deployed. I can see that the military and the government didn't want anybody to know about it before it was operational. I don't approve of this secrecy but I do understand the logic. And I suspect that this example has been responsible for a whole lot of UFO sightings as well. So yes, the military and the government hide things from us. We expect them to and we accept that to a certain extent. The CIA wouldn't be of much use if they disclose everything they do.

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You are putting too many extra ideas and words under my fingernails, beyond your personal perspective too, I believe. Both the US govt and the aliens are "hiding" the aliens, but for opposite reasons. The Dulce facility is not open to military. The alien races have it well protected from military. Nobody can go in there who is not invited and escorted by alien life. The military is set up around it to make it look to you like the place is their own.

No. I don't put anything under your fingernails, I am merely pointing out the deeper implications of your claims. Some you might have overlooked. I don't know whether the Dulce Base is an alien hide out or an underground military base. You simply can't tell if nobody has something conclusive to offer. For all we know the Eiffel tower is one big com link to outer worlds. But until proved otherwise, I think its is just a very large French tower.

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It is true at least in some ways, some individual humans help handle evidence of alien life. However, this makes alien contactees into targets. So unless it is part of their job to be a target, they do not have evidence handed to them by the aliens. As a public speaker, it is important that I have no evidence so I can do what I do. Look what happens to the top scientists and researchers who have worked on solving the mysteries of crop formations, and those who go public with video evidence of alien crafts. If they refuse to be bought, they and their families are harassed and worse until they debunk their own work and go away.

I'm glad you cleared that up and agreed that what I assumed is in fact true. Some people do have evidence of alien life apparently. But please elaborate: Making contactees into targets? Who are targeting them? And why would they do that? Why would some extremely powerful and covert organization who apparently control various governments and military be inclined to harass scientists? Don't you agree that accusations like that go a little beyond the realm of personal experience. Unless you are a scientist and have been harassed yourself you are speaking not out of personal experience but stating accusations made by others.

Top scientists will find a way to make their thesis feasible subjects to an honest debate. Darwin was ridiculed when he first stated his origin of species and Galileo was even put on trial for his theories about planets revolving around the sun. Sometimes scientists don't get the recognition and acclaim they deserve during their lifetime and that is sad. But scientists don't engage in debates with governments or the military. They don't need to. Once they present a thesis about any given subject, they have made is public for every one to review and comment on. In fact, hundreds of scientists are searching for E.T as we speak with the aid of thousands of volunteers all over the world. People who are indeed authorities in this field. People who are respected, who publish their findings and write well received books about it. People like the late Carl Sagan who even designed a map to pin point earth's location in space and a clever welcome sign for aliens in case they find us. So large parts of our society do accept the possibility of alien life forms and are take it very seriously indeed. They made it possible that billions of dollars are spent each year to find out if there is life in our solar system and beyond. Missions to Mars and beyond. And this will continue for decades to come.

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The alien races have very good control over who "knows" about them personally. Many know "of" them but that is not the same thing. Many people find out from other people and that is only beneficial to the aliens and the people. Very few in the military is privy to govt secrets, especially the most dire secrets including about what they know about our visiting races. Our govts do not know much at all about the races themselves, but they know a great deal about the visitation of the alien races. The govts only know personally about the aliens what the aliens decide to tell them.

Why is knowing "of " them not the same thing? What difference does it make.

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Some of the military is. I wonder if you have a personal reason not to believe that or to try to prevent others from realizing it? Perhaps you have your own investment of belief in something about the ufo field or the alien races?

I don't have a personal reason to disbelieve anything. That is not how it works. Some things are harder to understand than others, but that is because some matters take a little bit more effort to grasp. One has always to deal with one's own intellectual limitations. Belief has nothing to do with it. I can believe what I want but that doesn't make it fact. Realizing that enables me to address many stories with a fairly open mind. And it even helped me to cook up a few theories of my own.

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I am not implying, I am telling, and I am telling without any expectation of belief or faith. You should ~never~ believe something just because you hear it. I am independent. I write all my own material which is all directly from my own experiences.

That is my whole point. I don't believe anything just because I hear it. I want to know more. Want to find out how it works. What the facts are, what the implications are and so on. But you tell us something which we can't investigate and you refuse to back up what you are telling. So the only people who believe your stories are those who are willing to believe what they hear. Something you claim they should never do.

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Whatever you can get out of it, take it and think whatever is natural to you. I don't want anything for it. I certainly don't want a hassle. Your aggressive demeanor would be better served to a larger organized body of professionals such as The Disclosure Project. Your gripe is founded, but I am not the one you should have any gripe with.

A very anthroposophical approach but not very helpful. And I wouldn't call it gripe, I am merely trying to weigh the significance of your stories. And the more I learn the more flaws I see. Not because I want to see them. Quite on the contrary, I would be thrilled if we would have a close encounter some day soon. Hopefully in my lifetime. But here we are. You present us stories in order to prepare ourselves for the upcoming visitation. You claim to be a representative of the aliens. Now tell me, what good will it do if I accept only those bits and bobs out of your tellings which are already in accordance with my own prejudice? How would it help the aliens?

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If you are interested in what I say, listen. If you are against me for sharing my own experiences and what I am learning, just don't listen. There is no argument needed, and no need to exaggerate my words back to me. Please be careful when you quote me, because it takes up an awful lot of my time to have to defend myself about things I did not exactly say, and about things you might imagine I meant.
I think if you are so interested in the subject, you would help encourage other people to explore ideas and opinions as well. There is no reason for you to warn others against me. I am not any threat. Perhaps you fear that I must have some ulterior motive that will eventually be revealed sometime down the road? If so, I can only show you that I don't. And I assure you that nobody is being hurt by the exchange of information and ideas here. I don't want anything except to make myself available to answer the questions that I can, and of course to learn some things from others here too. I very much enjoy the people here and I don't want to be put so on the defensive.

Like a stated before, I am interested. Very much indeed. But any one can say anything and present it as truth but that doesn't make it so. Please be careful what you claim. Speaking of personal experience is one thing, making bold accusations is another. I only quote back to you what I believe needs clarification or does indeed imply things that you may have overlooked. I do hope that you realize that if you are not willing to defend your self, you rule out anyone who doesn't want to accept what you are saying based on prejudices and faith. That way you would be preaching to the choir.

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I sincerely appreciate and respect your position. Please appreciate and respect mine.

In case you haven't noticed, I do.

Regards.

[ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door Bucc4n33R op 15-10-2004 21:19:45 ]

kriele

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There is one thing I find very odd. I keep hearing that governments are covering things up about possible ufo's and alien lifeforms, BUT the Belgian government/airforce have already admitted, years ago that they have dealt in the past with aircrafts that are ufo's to them.
Are you formiliar with that, Nancy?

Yes I am familiar with that. You are right, not all govts are covering up the truth, at least not as tightly or with the same motivation as the leading govts. The alien races are trying hardest to break the defenses of the leading govts. When the alien races approach the smaller govts, that puts those govts at odds with the leading govts that they depend on.

The USA is the largest offender of the alien races.

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Op vrijdag 15 oktober 2004 02:02 schreef APK het volgende:

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I think the world government overlooked that small province of Holland.
Just like the Mexican case.

i've been whining about the mexico case for months
i am willing to believe that there is also flames from the oil field on that video
but .. its such a odd case .. there were three radar objects and the flir was looking in the direction of the fields..

so that makes 4 targets and 1 prominently followed
i am not convinced that everything on that day can be explained with oilfield


http://www.quadspeed.com/files/138 (30 minutes .. judge for yourself )

_{i really want to make a flash movie on the sts-80 film .. going on 1 speed and split screen on 25 speed .. but i dont have flash .. if anybody wants to help me on that .. i'd really apreaciate it}

Edit: dubbel

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Op vrijdag 15 oktober 2004 04:32 schreef EarthSister het volgende:
kriele
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Yes I am familiar with that. You are right, not all govts are covering up the truth, at least not as tightly or with the same motivation as the leading govts. The alien races are trying hardest to break the defenses of the leading govts. When the alien races approach the smaller govts, that puts those govts at odds with the leading govts that they depend on.

The USA is the largest offender of the alien races.

So why do the aliens not break their defenses through countries like Belgium(perhaps europe) and Russia? They seem to be more openminded than the States about this subject.

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Op vrijdag 15 oktober 2004 12:51 schreef kriele het volgende:

So why do the aliens not break their defenses through countries like Belgium(perhaps europe) and Russia? They seem to be more openminded than the States about this subject.

kriele

The alien races are breaking through in many ways in many places. Wherever you hear about sightings of crafts and individuals having personal encounters with alien life anywhere in the world, it is breaking down the defenses of the leading govts a little at a time. All of the sightings and testimonies and videos are adding up. All of the past lies we have been told are looking more and more silly as we become wiser to what is going on here.

One strong, willing, independent nation is what it will take for the aliens to begin "open" contact with our world through that responsible, trustworthy govt. Right now, the alien races have to carry out much of their work with individual humans covertly, or else the contact puts the individual humans in harm's way of those against the aliens.

I've heard a rumor about the "greys". According to a dutch website we have been warned about the plans of the greys by other alien lifeforms back in 1955. The US govt has closed a deal between them, but now it seems that the US govt is angry with them because they have abducted too many people.
Is this the truth or nonsens?

kriele

By coincidence only, a little bit of that is true, that I know about from the alien races. I don't know about all of it, though. I do not put any trust in what I hear from people because I know from my own experience that so much of it is false. I only trust what I hear from my own alien contacts and they do not tell me everything.

There was a deal between The Greys (who at that time were two distinct races) and the US govt. It was much more complicated than this, but it amounted to the trading of technologies for the use of particular humans, which included to some degree "abduction" by these two races. (Abduction was the use of humans against their physical and spiritual will and the use of particular humans who had no affiliation with the aliens at all. Not all of this contact was abduction.) (Technologies were few, simple and benign, traded to bide time, to the frustration of the govt. The Greys or any other race would never give our leaders anything that could be used in any harmful way against any humans or against any other races.)

The Greys were forced into the agreement by the govt under threat of harm to the aliens and the humans who have encounters with them. These alien races were desperate for the use of particular humans for the creation of hybrids, and being detected in our atmosphere. The humans who claimed to have contact with alien life were targeted by the govt to be used as leverage against the aliens, to control the aliens and to blackmail technologies from them. Do not underestimate the damage of propaganda against the aliens. It instilled unrealistic, demonic fear into people about all of the races and put a sinister twist to the use of humans in creating hybrids. Personal stories were greatly exagerrated, many by professional agents.

What The Greys were doing, in the way they were using humans and the lengths they went to do it, were not morally appropriate. However, they were desperate for what they needed, and did not hold any intention of harming humans. This going on was a tremendous problem between our races that you and I did not even know about. The US govt, and other leading govts, were in the position to make some decisions about all of this. Look at what they did.

During all of this going on and the publics beginning to find out about it, the govt covered up all of their own wrong-doing. Some of the other visiting races offered their assistance to the Govt to help them with The Greys and with other problems we have, but the Govt refused to accept any help. The Govt wanted something else more than any help. The Govt misinformed the public to keep people confused about anything they might hear or see having to do with alien life. They created a reputation for all of the alien races so that humans would not trust or befriend anybody from another world. The subject was sensationalized and demonized easily with what fears humans have already. Contact by all visiting races with their individual humans continued, but most of these humans refused contact due to their fears and social and govt pressure. Of those who would accept contact, they would keep it to themselves and not help educate others. People who tried were easily seen as psycho or trying to cash in on the subject.

In spite of all the Govt control of information, contact continues and people are learning about alien life from the aliens. As people wanted and asked the aliens for help, especially with the problems with The Greys, the other races have interceded for us and stopped The Greys' use of humans for the creation of hybrids. The US govt never took an active role in helping to solve these problems that they helped to create. The active alien experiencers are the humans who opted for the changes and accepted the help of the advanced races for it. Also The Greys accepted the help from the advanced races to get what they need without the use of humans or the creation of hybrids.

One of the two races who humans referred to as "The Greys" complied with the standards set for visitation to our world and contact with humans. The other race did not, or could not, and was dismissed from visiting our planet permanently. There were also a few other races dismissed whose activities were below the standard set and had little or no legitimate business being here.

Now ALL of our 218 visiting races are working together under one guidance of the most advanced races visiting from our area. They work under a larger guidance of an organized union of advanced races. There are no more abductions taking place by any alien life here at Earth. There are no more hybrids being created with the use of humans. The organization of visiting races continues to try to build a diplomatic relationship with our world through our governments. Progressive education continues through the natural relationships and contacts between all of the visiting races and their individual human contacts.

[ Bericht 2% gewijzigd door EarthSister op 15-10-2004 19:01:57 (clarity) ]

Are all of the known races friendly? I ask this because some investigators like Bud Hopkins are starting to think that at least some intentions might not be so friendly anymore and he is starting to worry.

you keep saying things like "most advanced race" etc.. but are all races excepting their position? Or are humans about the only race who are power-hungry?
and how have the aliens dealt with agressive races in the past? Its not that we are the most agressive race in the universe, right?
and what is one of the worst characteristics we humans have compared to other races?

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Op vrijdag 15 oktober 2004 18:43 schreef kriele het volgende:
Are all of the known races friendly? I ask this because some investigators like Bud Hopkins are starting to think that at least some intentions might not be so friendly anymore and he is starting to worry.

All of the races visiting Earth are friendly. "Morally professional" is an even better description. Furthermore, the very individuals who have dedicated these years of their own lives away from the familiar comfort of their own homes and families to work here, are morally and spiritually motivated to do it as the professionals of their own races.

No prominent figure in the ufo field is without some degree of govt influence. Bud Hopkins is not a friend to the aliens, but a friend to the govts. His motivation is not directly for the truth, but for other kinds of things. Perhaps he has innocently found himself in this position and is now simply unable to be honest, but he, obviously to me, is controlled and watched closely. He is not free to speak as he chooses. Nobody with any professional or social authority is.

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Op vrijdag 15 oktober 2004 18:51 schreef P8 het volgende:
you keep saying things like "most advanced race" etc.. but are all races excepting their position? Or are humans about the only race who are power-hungry?
and how have the aliens dealt with agressive races in the past? Its not that we are the most agressive race in the universe, right?
and what is one of the worst characteristics we humans have compared to other races?

P8

All of the visiting races not only accept their position, but they are reaping the benefits of organized contact. They have protection from any aggravation by any other races here, mediation for differences, access to use of more advanced technologies and techniques for working with humans. Their humans on Earth are safer and the progression of their contacts is moving much faster, etc. The organization of any outfit is only beneficial to all the participating members. Everything runs much smoother with less danger or waste of effort.

At Earth, humans are the only ones who are power-hungry. With evolution comes maturity, peaceful ways to run things and the assistance of other races who have already been through primitive difficulties. We are the only ones who use money to keep score of who is most powerful. We are the only ones whose elected Govts deceive their publics for their own benefit. We are the only ones who war and capitalize on the suffering of our own or anybody else.

The most advanced races are the most respected by all other races. When choosing a leader to a group, it must be one respected by all, because when difficulties arise everyone has to come to an agreement to solve them. The most advanced races have the greatest intelligence, understanding of all the other races, experience, technologies, spiritual abilities and reach through the Universe by travel. They also have the greatest professional connection with other even greater advanced races beyond their area. A leader does not make all of the decisions alone, but the people elect representatives of themselves to a committee, and trust them to make joint decisions with other members. Those who specialize in particular areas are respected by all to make particular decisions for those things. One leader oversees all. It is the same way the best organizations on Earth run themselves.

It is the natural progression of evolution to work toward peace. Working toward peace does not mean having no problems. It means solving them. A race that cannot work among itself together toward peace, cannot progress to advancement. Humans are not advanced. We are balancing on the edge of self destruction with the way we run our world. Certainly such a race as ours cannot progress in working with other races if it can't even work with itself yet.

The skills we will have gained in (hopefully) overcoming these primitive problems we have, will be what we take with us out into the planetary community of races. If we do not overcome our hostility, we will not be allowed out there. If we stay like this, we may not even survive.

Aggressive races are not allowed to travel to shared space. Our aggression is not normal to us as a race. Our aggression is cultivated in us from birth, as a reaction to what we have to defend ourselves from in our environment. If we change the way we are forcing ourselves to live, we will have none of this kind of offensive aggression. There are 103 other races in our galaxy who are at a similar point in their evolution to us. They are young and confused, and having their visiting races organized into a working unit for the benefit of their own up-and-coming race. I am told that we each have some same and some different problems. Some are more difficult to work with and some are less difficult to work with. But ours is one of the more difficult. We are very stubborn, egocentric and mistrustful of everyone. Our govts are not well united with their own publics. We do not have a system of one leader to treat everyone fairly and keep peace. Our systems of money and power keep us corrupt and at odds with our own kind.

Some of the races I know are very strong and powerful, but they are not aggressive, defensive or hostile. Some of them appear to be very meek, gentle and unassuming but they could all flatten you with the wink of an eye. They would do it to keep you at peace, if you know what I mean.

I think some of our worst characteristics compared to other life are our willing, elected ignorance and our ability to LIE. We don't know we live in a fish bowl. All the other races see exactly what we are doing.

[ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door EarthSister op 15-10-2004 20:02:44 ]

Bucc4n33R

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Back in 1990 the world saw the first stealth military plane. It's grand debut was in a horrific war. I hope you do realize that the development of that plane took about a decade. They didn't just fly it from a drawing board, out of a hangar to go one a mission. It was tested thoroughly before it was deployed. I can see that the military and the government didn't want anybody to know about it before it was operational.

Stealth technology came directly from alien life. This I know from the alien races.

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Some people do have evidence of alien life apparently. But please elaborate: Making contactees into targets? Who are targeting them? And why would they do that?

Some people have or know evidence of alien life, but what others think of that evidence is controled by govt. When individuals have evidence of alien life, they are targeted by govt to warn them and to scare them into keeping quiet. They are also bought to keep quiet by govt. And worse. The govt does this as one way to keep the publics uninformed about the truth, and uninformed about what the leading govts are really doing about the alien races visiting Earth.

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Why would some extremely powerful and covert organization who apparently control various governments and military be inclined to harass scientists? Don't you agree that accusations like that go a little beyond the realm of personal experience. Unless you are a scientist and have been harassed yourself you are speaking not out of personal experience but stating accusations made by others.

I am speaking about govt harassment of innocent alien experiencers and of those who have evidence of alien life from what I have witnessed myself in my own personal experience.

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People like the late Carl Sagan who even designed a map to pin point earth's location in space and a clever welcome sign for aliens in case they find us.

Carl Sagan was a liar. That was his part of his job and he was very good at what he did. But then, it is very easy for a highly respected professional to mislead large groups of curious, afraid, misinformed people. He had the "support" of everyone important.

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Why is knowing "of " them not the same thing? What difference does it make.

If you witness an alien craft and alien beings point blank, you suddenly know that "it" is true. But only if you get to know the aliens themselves through series of personal meetings and conversations would you come to know the truth about the aliens. If you only witness them by sighting, you would probably believe just about anything you have heard before or are told by human authorities in the future. What you hear from human authorities is propaganda designed to mislead you. That is the difference.

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Now tell me, what good will it do if I accept only those bits and bobs out of your tellings which are already in accordance with my own prejudice? How would it help the aliens?

Consider that all of the things that are happening now with the alien races are part of a long-term design. Consider learning things about alien life as a way to prepare to meet them.

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Please be careful what you claim. Speaking of personal experience is one thing, making bold accusations is another.

I am very careful. My bold accusations are based on my personal experience.

EarthSister
http://www.TheProjectAtEarth.com

EarthSister

Thank you for your reply.

And there you go with more accusations, bordering slander this time.

Carl Sagan was a liar? And this is based on your personal experience? Please tell me what he was lying about. Was he lying to us when he helped bringing the search for Extra Terrestrial life in to the mainstream science? Or was he lying when he initiated many projects to actually search for alien life forms? Perhaps he was lying when he was instrumental in EDUCATING millions of people about the possibility that aliens might visit us one day? And that such an event would not be something to fear but to welcome.

Do you have anything constructive to contribute or will this be one exercise of accusations after an other?

See, there is a pattern emerging. First, of course, is that business about that everything you say you refuse to back up. And second, if somebody asks to clarify any inconsistencies your standard reply is that some secret covert black ops governmental special interest group is manipulating and distorting what in your mind is perceived as the truth. With no additional evidence to back that up either.

You are simply not convincing. One would expect a more humble approach from some one who claims to has contact with highly evolved life forms. If you truly are representing aliens on this planet than I would suggest to keep the accusations to a minimum and a little bit more diplomacy would be in order. I'm sure that if the aliens choose to use humans to prepare other humans prior to their visitation they will need a little bit more than what you are offering. I'm a afraid that the mantra " Aliens good - Governments bad " won't be sufficient.

I leave you with a quote from a great scientist. A man who dedicated a huge part of his life to inform and educate people that it is inevitable and certainly not to be feared that the human race will one day have an encounter with an alien life form. And he had the science to back it up.

"Skeptical scrutiny is the means, in both science and religion, by which deep insights can be winnowed from deep nonsense." - Carl Sagan

Bucc4n33R

You are a smart guy. You can think in more layers than just the obvious and mundane when it comes to "national security."

Earthsister

again, thank you for answering.

You say the ability to lie is one of our worst abilities. why is that? In my opinion, this is something that can do good. of course, a good liar with bad intensions isnt a good combination. but there are situations in which lying would not do bad. for example: if you are planning a surprise for someone.
or sometimes the truth is to hard to handle for some people. in such cases it would be good to not be honest.

once i heard a quote which might be true: "if you always tell the truth, you'll end up alone"

another thing i was wondering about: you make me think the aliens are living in an Eden or something. its like all of the races in the alliance dont have problems with their own population etc. But that cant be the case, can it?
come to think about it, do aliens have a cure for cancer? I presume cancer is also a common disease among alien life, since its cause is a mutation instead of a virus or bacteria. And are there diseases caused by a virus as well on earth as on other planets (although this must be quite a coincedense)

Wow this is great. Another Nancy Lieder in our midst ( [url] www.zetatalk.com [/url] ). Althought a different story with a different goal it is the same thing in basic as what the other Nancy is doing. Getting a lot of attention with no real evidence to support your stories. I agree with Bucc4n33R that everything is all a bit easy said. And to blame everything at the government is a bit to easy for me to.

Don't get me wrong. I am convinced that alien lifeforms are visiting us. I saw thousands of pictures and read hundreds of stories of eyewitnesses who had first hand experience of seeing weird lights in the sky with weird flying paterns and angels. Heck i've even seen a strange light myself.

With all due respect to the people who believe this Nancy Malacaria, i don't. She shows almost exactly the same paterns as Nancy Lieder with her Nibiru aproach and Greys.

Maybe i shouldn't have responded to this topic because i really don't believe it but I thought i had to let you people know why i doubt her stories. I read throught the topics but it's all a great number of incredible stories with great morals to the world but with no evidence whatsoever to support it. Just like Nancy Lieder and the Zeta's (almost sounds like a name for a crappy band )

Kind regards

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Op zaterdag 16 oktober 2004 21:03 schreef P8 het volgende:

You say the ability to lie is one of our worst abilities. why is that?

P8

Our ability to lie perpetuates many of our problems. When we can't lie anymore, we will not learn to lie from the beginning of our lives. When we practice common telepathy, we will not lie like we do now. We will not have the criminal-ability.

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another thing i was wondering about: you make me think the aliens are living in an Eden or something. its like all of the races in the alliance dont have problems with their own population etc. But that cant be the case, can it?

No, advanced races don't live in Eden. But they run their own things better than we run ours. Perhaps compared to us, the way they live would seem like Eden to us.

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come to think about it, do aliens have a cure for cancer? I presume cancer is also a common disease among alien life, since its cause is a mutation instead of a virus or bacteria. And are there diseases caused by a virus as well on earth as on other planets (although this must be quite a coincedense)

Yes, they have cures for our cancers. Advanced races have diseases, but they have cures and have already overcome most of their own diseases.

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Op zaterdag 16 oktober 2004 21:03 schreef P8 het volgende:
You say the ability to lie is one of our worst abilities. why is that? In my opinion, this is something that can do good. of course, a good liar with bad intensions isnt a good combination. but there are situations in which lying would not do bad. for example: if you are planning a surprise for someone.
or sometimes the truth is to hard to handle for some people. in such cases it would be good to not be honest.

once i heard a quote which might be true: "if you always tell the truth, you'll end up alone"

another thing i was wondering about: you make me think the aliens are living in an Eden or something. its like all of the races in the alliance dont have problems with their own population etc. But that cant be the case, can it?
come to think about it, do aliens have a cure for cancer? I presume cancer is also a common disease among alien life, since its cause is a mutation instead of a virus or bacteria. And are there diseases caused by a virus as well on earth as on other planets (although this must be quite a coincedense)

Though I'm not Earthsister, I implore you to throw a few more interesting questions on the table. I don't really have a problem with your questions, and I surely don't have a problem with you (before you think that), but more with the fact that the questions you're asking there don't really apply to this topic, in my eyes atleast. You could find the answers everywhere in the everyday life, so there's no need for them here. I don't think Earthsister would have any special answers on those that other people cannot give you.

I mean come on, having a cure for cancer? With the current progress made WE will have a cure for different forms of cancer in the very near future, so if any alien race more advanced then us would have a disease similar to cancer, they would have a cure for it. Or atleast, I hope so. For them.

The fact that they have a lot less problems, and their societies may seem like Eden to us, is not that alien as you think. WE could do that, if only we would view problems as puzzles that need to be solved, instead of unovercoming obstacles. Apart from the unwillingness from many people to get up and do something for a change. You can not only see it in the fact that we still have many problems in this world, but in a host of other things as well, even how many people live their lives. Even though they're mentally bored or in another way unhappy with their lives, they just keep on going to work everyday and refuse to do something about it, all the while saying that: "it's no use trying to change things". simple lazyness. Though most people are lazy in a few or many areas, including myself ofcourse, that would decreasy massively when people would see obstacles as something to be overcome with a bit of creativity, I'd think..

Anyway. Lying is never positive. It's extremely hard to keep a lie you've made up alive, even if you come to believe that lie yourself over time. Because, somewhere, you will always acknowledge the fact that it's not the truth. And people will feel it. Not everybody is as skilled with body language, and as good in touch with their intuitive feelings as others are, but almost anybody can detect a lie when it's spoken (or written or whatever). Even if the person doing it is an extremely skilled liar. Just as you can feel it when there's something wrong with someone, for example, even though that person acts as if everything's all right. The point is, that people will always know they're being lied to in a small or a large way, and it won't lift their spirits. It will worsen when their feelings get backed up by hard facts. And, almost any lie will come out eventually. It's that simple. No lie can be held alive forever, because of the simple fact that it's a lie.

You state that a good example of when lying can be a good thing is when someone can't accept the truth about something. People can take on a lót more then you usually think, before it becomes too much for one person to handle. Though that varies from person to person ofcourse, but only in small degrees. The only possible way a person cannot handle certain truths is when that person has been lied to before, multiple times in his or her life (read: véry often). If those lies weren't told, then that person wouldn't need to hear a lie now either.

For example: You're on a vacation. You come back, and in the meantime a good friend of yours has commited suicide in an absolutely horrible way. Another friend of yours knows this, and thinks about wether to tell you the truth, or a lie. If the other friend tells you a lie, you will never feel completely content with it, for deep down, you will know that it's not the truth, and you will never be able to let it rest completely. When it comes out, you will be bothered even more, it will be a complete strain on your psyche, depending on how strong you are in that respect. If that person, on the other hand, tells you the truth... Then you, in normal circumstances, would be able to handle it, even though it would be a shock to you. If you would not be able to handle it, there are two possible reasons: Either you've been lied to before, lots of times (about that friend's mental problems because of wich he or she came up to the point of suicide), or you have a lot of your own heavy problems on your mind, in wich case you've lied to yourself multiple times about one thing or the other, or you would've been able to face certain things a lot earlier, so they wouldn't bother you for long and pile up like that. There are a few other examples I could name, but in either one lying would definately *not* be the best option.

And, when push comes to shove, *everybody* appreciates being honest to. Everybody. Every single man, woman and child on this planet.

The only way, I think, is to remove the so-called 'need' for lying, is to remove the need for people to lie to themselves, wich is attributed to a low-self esteem or another reason why people think they can't handle certain things themselves (organized religions are notorious about saying 'you cannot accomplish <insert>'). My conclusion is that the only way to remove the 'need' for lying, is to stop lying at all. People will be confronted, after wich they'll lie less to themselves and as such less to others, after wich even more people will lie less to themselves etcetc. It's a circle, and Humanity needs to step out of the old one, and into the new one.

My quote wouldn't be: "if you always tell the truth, you'll end up alone", but rather: "if you always tell the truth, you'll never end up alone".


[sorry for this offtopic post tho *goes back into lurking mode*]

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hmm i haven't killed this topic have i?

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Op vrijdag 29 oktober 2004 00:03 schreef DiSiLLUSiON het volgende:
hmm i haven't killed this topic have i?

She'll be back, I think.

I still find it a very interesting topic, with a lot of questions and a lot of respect at the same time.

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Op vrijdag 29 oktober 2004 01:30 schreef APK het volgende:

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She'll be back, I think.

I still find it a very interesting topic, with a lot of questions and a lot of respect at the same time.

I am still here. How could I leave you guys? You are the best! Anyway, I needed to get caught up on other things.

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Op vrijdag 29 oktober 2004 02:06 schreef EarthSister het volgende:

I am still here. How could I leave you guys? You are the best! Anyway, I needed to get caught up on other things.

I guess this is not the only forum you post on.
I can tell you that I spread the message, and you've caused quite a few heated debates in my circle of friends.

Do the aliens have a preference, between Bush and Kerry?

Well the reptillians obviously favour bush but I have no idea what kind of alien Kerry is. A Chinzilla or something.

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Op vrijdag 29 oktober 2004 02:12 schreef APK het volgende:

I guess this is not the only forum you post on.
I can tell you that I spread the message, and you've caused quite a few heated debates in my circle of friends.

APK

Thanks for helping out. Are you becoming as infamous as me? Stepping on toes?

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Do the aliens have a preference, between Bush and Kerry?

I don't know. They might. If they do, they aren't telling me, and I can't recognize anything in the two men that would indicate it.

PS Everyone . . .

Which of the two most popular US presidential canidates do you think would serve best the pending issues of our visiting races? And why?

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Op vrijdag 29 oktober 2004 13:57 schreef stigchel het volgende:
Well the reptillians obviously favour bush but I have no idea what kind of alien Kerry is. A Chinzilla or something.

stigchel

Are these serious statements? I can't tell.

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Op vrijdag 29 oktober 2004 14:05 schreef EarthSister het volgende:
Which of the two most popular US presidential canidates do you think would serve best the pending issues of our visiting races? And why?

i think neither one will serve good, but kerry would be best, i think. Bush seems a little more powerhungry than Kerry, and Kerry is a bit more open minded. at least, thats what i learn from television. for example, bush is anti gay-marriage and abortion, Kerry is not.
In my eyes, this is something which indicates that Kerry is more open-minded for changes.
although this can be a personal opinion, i dont think that very much people disagree.

But still. Both wont be good. Since the president alone isnt the same as the whole government. And the government isnt replaced every 4 / 8 years. therefore they are very keen on keeping the power they have at the moment.
Another thing is that the president isn't the same as the population. Everything i see about americans, is that they are arrogant and egocentric. Of course, Not all americans are like that, but the main share is. And somehow, and i dont exactly know at what point that will happen, it will go wrong when aliens do come to earth (assuming you tell the truth). But that's just a feeling i have. i can be wrong with that of course.

Now what im interested in is: Who do you think would be best?


and at disillusion: Im sorry i didnt reply to you, but i didnt feel like writing back . But everything you said at the beginning of your post (i.e. my questions are offtopic), i already knew. But if noone is asking questions, why shouldn't i ask some offtopic questions then?

P8

Very good points you make.

I think I agree with your thinking that neither would serve the issues of alien life well, at least as things are right now. I also think that either "could" serve well under proper circumstances. I don't know exactly what those circumstances will eventually be because they haven't come up to be tested yet. But I suspect that they will have to do with the publics personally learning more truths, then casting votes and making demands of our leaders, based on those truths. How long the process could take, I have no idea. Maybe over generations.

As for elections and re-elections, there is so much going on hidden from our view, that the choices we get to make for a leader don't seem to actually touch the real decisions we should be able to make about how our world is run. I am looking forward to this changing in the wakes of the publics uncovering government secrets. When things open up, everything is going to come out, all the crimes, not just who is to blame for all the lies and cover-ups about the aliens.

Honestly, I just don't know who I think would be best, because it is clear to me that what I see at face value is not the way things really are behind it all, and I don't feel convinced it would make any difference on such a "national security" level between these two men at all.

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Op zaterdag 30 oktober 2004 19:23 schreef EarthSister het volgende:
As for elections and re-elections, there is so much going on hidden from our view, that the choices we get to make for a leader don't seem to actually touch the real decisions we should be able to make about how our world is run.

but the next problem then is that there are many opinions in this world, and if a majority votes against something, a part remains who wont give up that easy. A very easy example is discrimination. Almost everyone is against slavery and discrimination, but one part of the society sees negro's as low-life creatures qho should do our dirty jobs.

and a new question. When the aliens come to earth, are they willing to give some technologies to us. like something which provides us of enough energy and doest affect the environment in a bad way.

P8

As time goes on and people become more and more intelligent many things change. Many things that were impossible for us to change before are much more possible now, like slavery and discrimination. I only see us continuing to go forward with these, not backwards. It's just taking time equal to our collective speed. Points in time are punctuated with specific dates of official changes through history, but the process is ever continuing. As society changes, the new people being born and raised in healthier, more intelligent societies will not carry the same kinds of teachings that their ancestors had.

Our visiting races already share things with us through individuals, mostly by helping with ideas. When they actually ally with our race, they will be able to start sharing more technologies with us in more professional ways. They are already willing and that is one great part of why they are spending their individual lives here -- to help us. But they will not be allowed to give us certain things unless or until it can be done under the right circumstances, and a lot of that depends strictly on us and what we will do with them. There is an even larger, higher body of authority above the organization of visiting races here who shares in that decision-making.

What things would you like to see first, besides clean energy? What things would you think would be too dangerous to give us yet and why?

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Op zondag 31 oktober 2004 19:01 schreef EarthSister het volgende:
What things would you like to see first, besides clean energy? What things would you think would be too dangerous to give us yet and why?

although i think clean energy would be the be the best tech for us to have, it would be the most dangerous, too. Because energy and weaponry go hand in hand. And many people (read: America) are interested in making stronger weapons.
So i think this technology would mean great improvements for us. too bad some factors in our world would be the cause that we wont get it.

Another thing we "need" are more efficient ways to produce safe food. with safe i mean foods which aren't geneticly modified.

although some things might seem safe to give, it's almost certain that these things can be modified for the sake of a single individual.

I think every thing aliens could give us, would have to be controlled by them too. and there are a few things why that wouldnt be the best idea too.
1) they probably have some better things to do than working in our interest
2) It may look suspicious and govts can use that in a bad way.

but id like you to ask you the same question you asked me: What things would you like to see first, besides clean energy? What things would you think would be too dangerous to give us yet and why?

and @ others: why isnt anyone talking here anymore?

I think the majority of wars are in fact about energy and raw materials, even though the media makes you think otherwise.

If we have cheap, clean and unlimited energy available for everyone, this would almost certainly mean world peace, as countries will then start to mind their own business again.

Okay, regarding the other raw materials, we still need to find a solution that. Or perhaps countries can just trade and recycle that stuff in future, instead of robbing it.

And, when the world is save and secure, we can start using our brains for more interesting things, things we could never dreamed of being possible

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Op zondag 31 oktober 2004 23:27 schreef Hallulama het volgende:
I think the majority of wars are in fact about energy and raw materials, even though the media makes you think otherwise.

We go to war because the dictators still kill and starve their nation. The energy part is a lie made up by extreme leftwinged rats and other nasty bugs (I mean those who's outer shell explode when you step on them ).

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If we have cheap, clean and unlimited energy available for everyone, this would almost certainly mean world peace, as countries will then start to mind their own business again.

No, after we got unlimited energy nuke the middle-east because we don't need those rats anymore.

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Okay, regarding the other raw materials, we still need to find a solution that. Or perhaps countries can just trade and recycle that stuff in future, instead of robbing it.

All pure raw materials are gone in about 40 years.

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And, when the world is save and secure, we can start using our brains for more interesting things, things we could never dreamed of being possible

Keep dreaming on.

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Op zondag 31 oktober 2004 21:59 schreef P8 het volgende:

Another thing we "need" are more efficient ways to produce safe food. with safe i mean foods which aren't geneticly modified.

If you don't want genetically modified food, just say so. Don't use the word "safe". It is nonsense that this food wouldn't be safe. Do you prefer pesticides over genetic modifications in order to prevent parasites to spoil the crop?
I think, the other races produce their food with advanced techniques. Our modified soybean would be nothing next to their corn.

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Op maandag 1 november 2004 02:05 schreef Price het volgende:

I think, the other races produce their food with advanced techniques. Our modified soybean would be nothing next to their corn.

If it wasn't an assumption, it would've been a good question for EarthSister.

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Op maandag 1 november 2004 00:42 schreef DrWolffenstein het volgende:

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We go to war because the dictators still kill and starve their nation. The energy part is a lie made up by extreme leftwinged rats and other nasty bugs (I mean those who's outer shell explode when you step on them ).
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No, after we got unlimited energy nuke the middle-east because we don't need those rats anymore.
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All pure raw materials are gone in about 40 years.
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Keep dreaming on.

Iraq: Oil, stability in important region
Balkan: Raw materials, stability in important region
Atjeh: Natural gas

One country will only get "involved" in another country if there's something there which is of direct or indirect interest.

We don't nuke if we don't get "something" out of the fact that we nuke. This "something" doesn't mean a bunch of dead people, we simply don't care about "just" killing, and dropping bombs for nothing doesn't create a lot of good will

But you are right, I was too blunt, there are wars about religion, idealism, freedom, etc.

Anyway, is all the iron gone in the next 40 years? Aluminium? Copper? Rubber? I don't think so, and those are also raw materials, there's more important stuff than just oil and gas.

I will definitely keep on dreaming!

DrWolfenstein

Although your little rant is a wee bit off topic I can't resist to comment since it is probably the most stupid thing I have read in a while.

Allow me to inform you that the "energy part" as you so eloquently phrased it is far from being a "lie made up by extreme left winged rats" whoever they may be.

Economical might is ultimately what wins wars. Not ideology. This has been largely true thought history. Today, securing the means to sustain that economical power is highly based on oil. Sadly enough, oil is still the fuel of the worlds economy. The consumption of oil and its predicted consumption peak in the near future has surpassed the known oil reserves . In short, eventually we will run out of it. Since we have not found and implemented a viable alternative for oil, the world's economy will still be based on fossil fuels for the next decades to come, Ergo, a nation who wants to keep its economical power will simply have to find ways to secure as much of it as possible. Thus oil is a very feasible reason to wage war. Much more feasible than ousting nation starving dictators based on archaic and primitive myths and make shift ideology. In fact, there are many of those dictators in many parts of the world who are quite safe simply because they do not sit on large quantities of sought after substances.

Also I really like to know who you are referring to when you speak of "we"? I don't think that this bold generalization applies to many of us, including the most powerful nations of the world. What indications are there to assume that "we" will nuke the middle east as soon as "we" don't need them anymore?

Interestingly, you assessment that all raw material will be gone in 40 years, indicates that you also think that this includes oil. Let me ask you this. Knowing that the world is heavily depending on oil, how come you believe that waging war in order to secure oil is an "extreme left wing lie" ?

On a finale note, dreaming about a secure and safe world, whether we can achieve this ourselves or with the aid of aliens is not something to belittle. Especially since your alarmist scenarios lack substance and the most elementarily process of thought. I will keep dreaming. My advise to you would be to start thinking. Especially since we have enough hollow rhetoric to endure of late.

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Op maandag 1 november 2004 02:05 schreef Price het volgende:

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If you don't want genetically modified food, just say so. Don't use the word "safe". It is nonsense that this food wouldn't be safe.

not entirely true. A great part of what the modifcation does is unknown. read this for example (sorry its in dutch) http://users.skynet.be/nwp/genmani005.htm

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Do you prefer pesticides over genetic modifications in order to prevent parasites to spoil the crop?

what is this kind of crap? do you think they had pesticides in the Middle Ages? There were farmers zo i guess their crops did grow. Only these days it has a special name: Biological (dont know if this is the correct word in english ). And pesticides aren't the only ways to keep the crop clear of plagues. there are all kinds of different things to prevent it from being eaten by snales or something.

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Op maandag 1 november 2004 15:24 schreef P8 het volgende:


what is this kind of crap? do you think they had pesticides in the Middle Ages? There were farmers zo i guess their crops did grow. Only these days it has a special name: Biological (dont know if this is the correct word in english ). And pesticides aren't the only ways to keep the crop clear of plagues. there are all kinds of different things to prevent it from being eaten by snales or something.

No they didn't have pesticides in the middle ages which resulted in large famines quite often. I do agree that there are other means of protecting crop nowadays but you have to realize that we didn't start using pesticides because they taste good. With an ever increasing population there was a huge demand of securing food supplies. Pesticides provided that. The fact that Sen. Kerry runs for the presidency of the US is because his great great grand parents were lucky enough to escape starvation in Ireland after subsequently failded potato harvests.

What the long term effects of growing genetically engineered food will be is something that needs extensive studying before we can implement it safely. Not because the food itself wouldn't be safe but it is impossible to foresee yet how much genetically engineered produce will affect existing eco systems.

This whole GM stuff is something we can't get around, so we better get used to it.

It won't be long until we start to GM ourselves, I guess?

Watch Gattaca, a very nice movie about that subject.

And also: http://www.vpro.nl/programma/tegenlicht/afleveringen/9487580/
Followed by: http://www.vpro.nl/progra(...)87580/items/9487850/

EarthSister, what do aliens think about us enhancing ourselves using genetic manipulation in the (near) future?

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Op maandag 1 november 2004 22:09 schreef Hallulama het volgende:
This whole GM stuff is something we can't get around, so we better get used to it.

It won't be long until we start to GM ourselves, I guess?

Watch Gattaca, a very nice movie about that subject.

And also: http://www.vpro.nl/programma/tegenlicht/afleveringen/9487580/
Followed by: http://www.vpro.nl/progra(...)87580/items/9487850/

EarthSister, what do aliens think about us enhancing ourselves using genetic manipulation in the (near) future?

I don't know about the aliens but i think it would be the most scary but also the best thing that could happen to us. It could rupture our society and bring back the darwin thing back in our world. . to bad that only the rich would be able to do this but they can do so much good with the technology. They would produce people that could do away with much of the things we struggle today. If the technology can prevent that people get sick or remove a gene that is responsible for extreme aggressiveness.. i would be all for it. .

Again, to bad that it would be very expensive but that is not a reason not to do it.

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Op zondag 31 oktober 2004 21:59 schreef P8 het volgende:

although i think clean energy would be the be the best tech for us to have, it would be the most dangerous, too. Because energy and weaponry go hand in hand. And many people (read: America) are interested in making stronger weapons.
So i think this technology would mean great improvements for us. too bad some factors in our world would be the cause that we wont get it.

What I understand is that we will get more help from alien life with energies in the future. In fact, we already have things we could use, or use more of. We (inside govts) come up with things on our own that are not shared publicly -- the alien races have not given us any, at least not directly or officially. I am personally aware of alien life who are working with their human contacts to help them come up with cleaner energy and cleaner ways to use energy. I do not have any personal knowledge of the mechanisms of how they work though.

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Another thing we "need" are more efficient ways to produce safe food. with safe i mean foods which aren't geneticly modified.

although some things might seem safe to give, it's almost certain that these things can be modified for the sake of a single individual.

Humans already know and have more efficient ways to produce food. I believe the main problems of human starvation with them are govt control for dollars and distribution, which are problems in govts, not in the food. We have enough land and technology to grow and distribute enough food for everyone.

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I think every thing aliens could give us, would have to be controlled by them too. and there are a few things why that wouldnt be the best idea too.
1) they probably have some better things to do than working in our interest
2) It may look suspicious and govts can use that in a bad way.

That's just it; the alien races can't take over our systems and they can't control what is ours. If they give us something, it becomes ours. They can encourage us and help us get to where they can give us more things we need as we go along, that is, if we can't come up with them ourselves. I think the main problems are in our world organizations that will determine how things are used once we have them. We can already see how that will be by looking at what we do with what we have now.

1)The individual alien people who are working at Earth now ~are~ working for our interests as a whole race. That is the main reason why they are here and why they are making themselves known to us now.

2)You are right that the govts can use "anything" about alien life in a bad way, but only for as long as you and I don't know better ourselves. That is why personal experience and education, and the sharing of personal knowledge is vital to the success of the relationships between our worlds.

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but id like you to ask you the same question you asked me: What things would you like to see first, besides clean energy? What things would you think would be too dangerous to give us yet and why?

I would also like to see everyone fed, housed and provided medical care. I know we can already do this on our own, but I think it is going to take the influences of our visiting races on people, to make it possible for us people to push our govts to make the changes. Beyond the personal immediate necessities, there are things we do not have sufficient capabilities of, such as materials and technologies to clean our air and water. This is one of the first things the aliens spoke of to Jack and me, and what they can and will offer us is beyond what we can do alone. They can help us speed up the reversal of a lot of the damage we have caused our planet and atmosphere. Although some damage is permanent and some things lost are gone forever, with their help we will not have to ride out the full natural process of restoration once we make the change.

Certainly it would be too dangerous now for the alien races to give any of our govts anything that can be used as weaponry. But once we sufficiently unite our world's countries and have one system of world leadership, anything the alien races give us can and will only be used for the benefit of all humans. It will take a long time to get to the goal of benefiting from those kinds of alien technologies, but once we are on a straight path ourselves, we will be trustworthy to handle such things. Also by then, we will be allied with our visiting group of worlds and they will give us any guidance we need with them. They can also help us unite our countries, mostly by mediation. Even with all our differences country to country, everybody begins to benefit immediately upon working toward one goal- peace.

It is also dangerous for the alien races to give particular govts anything where it will cause a sense of favortism of that country if it can be used against the aliens by other countries. The innitial offers of assistance on an official level will be for any country at a certain standard. (This is my understanding, although I have not been told this in these words by the alien races.)

If we had enough time and unity, we might work all of these things out on our own as a race. But because of the way we run our separate systems, our roadblocks are preventing it and our time is running out.

I would like to see a system of ground travel in which vehicles do not completely rely on an independent operator. I would like to see the end of industrial abuse of animals. I would also like to see unlimited education. We could already do these on our own, but we don't.

Eventually we will obtain dimensional travel capabilities from our visiting races. We do not have the materials we will need for this on our world, and our cell structure is not evolved far enough for it anyway.

ES

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Op maandag 1 november 2004 02:05 schreef Price het volgende:

I think, the other races produce their food with advanced techniques. Our modified soybean would be nothing next to their corn.

Hai, Price

No other race would have corn like our corn or corn at all, but whatever their food- it's superior for them compared to what ours is to us. If we ate the way we are intended to eat, not the way we do eat (most of us), our food would be equally superior. They eat exactly what their bodies use with no waste. The way we eat and eliminate is a virtually unique planetary phenomena. Even the other race of humans that visits Earth does not do it.

ES

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Op maandag 1 november 2004 22:09 schreef Hallulama het volgende:

EarthSister, what do aliens think about us enhancing ourselves using genetic manipulation in the (near) future?

Hai, Hallulama

My alien friends have not told me their opinion directly of us enhancing ourselves using genetic manipulation. But from what I can see, all of the advanced races may have done it for themselves because they look very much alike within their races, even males and females. Of course, some or many of them may have started out that way- since there is no one way for all races so I would not assume it universally.

From what I can guess by what I see of humans, once we start to use genetic manipulation to weed out diseases, defects and strive for longevity, this will subsequently begin to bring our whole race toward a particular genetic point. We have already been doing this naturally with animals since day one.

I don't see any moral issue with genetic manipulation of humans itself, but I certainly see potential moral issues in what some of our methods and reasons for it may be. My opinion is not strong here though, because I really do not know much about how it works. I will take a look at those links you posted and let you know if I have a different opinion after that.

ES

And what about overpopulation versus lack of resources then? Board the Enterprise and and go?

(I'm serious)

Hallulama

I see your point. You could be right. But what specifically makes you assume we would overpopulate our planet? And what makes you assume we would lack resources?

There is no place for us to go even if enough of us boarded the Enterprise to keep population down on our planet. There would be a more extreme problem of population for those living on the Enterprise.

ES

Earthsister,

when the time comes, we may need/want to colonize other planets. But all planets which can be inhabited probably already are. and resources we might want, would already be claimed by other civilizations. Since the alliance of races is that big, this has probably occured before.
How did the aliens solve this problem?

EarthSister, I'm not talking about living on the Enterprise (yuck), I mean using the Enterprise as a taxi to some other place, like the famous hotel at the end of the universe (C) Douglas Adams.

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Op donderdag 4 november 2004 15:12 schreef P8 het volgende:
Earthsister,

when the time comes, we may need/want to colonize other planets. But all planets which can be inhabited probably already are. and resources we might want, would already be claimed by other civilizations. Since the alliance of races is that big, this has probably occured before.
How did the aliens solve this problem?

Hai, P8

If the time comes when we can't live here, we are going to die. If we can't fix our own world to live on, we can't fix another. Our planet is perfect for us because we are "made from" it. Another planet would need even more fixing and in ways that we are not capable of doing. Every planet is different. And every planet that has a race of people is just as different. Any race only wants its own planet to live naturally on- that is the best way. The second best (easiest) way is to live in space crafts.

There are many more planets, than planets with people living on them.

Advanced civilizations use resources, but they don't use them up. There is plenty, and all need and use such diverse resources that they don't have any need to fight over them. Instead, they help each other.

Don't let this sound too perfect, though. There are problems, just not many, and they solve them.

Considering all the life and history, there must have been desperate times when races have had to move to another planet. I only imagine this because of some things that my alien friends have said about Mars, when the race that lives there was faced with sudden destruction of their atmosphere and they had to make decisions of how to survive. They considered searching for another planet they could move to, but instead they modified the one they have and moved everybody underground. It was much easier to control the atmosphere of their own planet than that of any other.

If I get a chance to ask my alien friends specifically about how a race moves to another planet, I will tell you what they say. Tell me exactly what you would like me to ask them.

-ES

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Op donderdag 4 november 2004 20:01 schreef Hallulama het volgende:
EarthSister, I'm not talking about living on the Enterprise (yuck), I mean using the Enterprise as a taxi to some other place, like the famous hotel at the end of the universe (C) Douglas Adams.

Hallulama

I think maybe a closer planet to one's own would have a better chance of being more alike than one at the end of the universe. Aye?

-ES

Of course!

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Op zondag 7 november 2004 01:52 schreef EarthSister het volgende:
If I get a chance to ask my alien friends specifically about how a race moves to another planet, I will tell you what they say. Tell me exactly what you would like me to ask them.

-ES

that's the only question i have regarding the colonizing issue. I tried to come up with a new question, but there isn't any question left about colonizing that is need to be asked. you've answered it all

However, i came up with a new question. Are aliens capable of speaking any language spoken here on earth? Or is telepathy a universal language?

P8

Telepathy is Universal. But telepathy is in many forms. Anything you can think, you can tell another. It can be pictures, sounds, feelings, video, anything. If a person does not study another race's language, he can't exactly speak it by telepathy, but he can still communicate. Whether the person he is speaking to can receive him or not, or how well, is another matter, considering us humans who have not reached our evolutional point for advanced communication yet. It is also possible for someone to read another's thoughts who is not purposely trying to talk with them. We use forms of telepathy all of the time and hardly notice it. Animals also use forms of telepathy.

All of our visiting races speak human by telepathy. I don't know how long it takes them to learn our languages but it's not long. They probably study them before they embark on their missions here. All of my alien friends speak English to me, and/or they communicate in other forms of telepathy to me.

Few of our visiting races can pronounce our language sounds audibly.

Ok, for your question I will ask, "How does or can a race of people move from their natural world to live on another world?"

If and when I get an answer, I will tell you.

Thank you,

although i'm still not sure if you speak the truth (read: my truth, since i am convinced you believe all that you're saying), I am a little excited a question is asked in my name.

But another 2 questions for you

you've mentioned several times that the aliens "have their own problems". can you give examples of their problems?

And if i meet an alien, should i talk in english or dutch? (or german, french or japanese )

P8

I know you don't just believe me and I feel that is the best opinion for people to hold. You couldn't know, and the things I talk about are far outside of mainstream, even for the ufo field. If you just believe me without knowing anything for yourself, that would reflect an error in your judgment. That kind of error is common in humanity. Wherever there is a mystery, there are people who will project and invoke their own beliefs and desires.

Many people "know" the aliens are real. They may or may not have seen anything alien for themselves, but many people can deduce from all the evidence, eyewitnesses and obvious cover-ups that there "must" be something to it all. But it is at a point beyond this realization that things really start to get confusing, because all kinds of people will believe just about anything "about" the aliens. They hear a lot of craziness, much of it designed propaganda, so even the truth sounds like more craziness, and they do not recognize another option. They make a choice of whether to deny any belief (or hope) that there is other life, or to accept something among all that craziness. They do not fathom the order to the Universe. They don't realize that even though they hear all the yack yack yacking from so many people making various claims, hardly anybody on Earth knows the aliens at all, not even the people who have experiences with them.

Some problems alien races have are differences of opinion between close worlds and on their own worlds. One party may want to do something one way and another party may want to do something another way. Misunderstandings happen all of the time wherever you have a diversity of life. The largest differences between primitive life (like us) and advanced life are in "how" they prevent and solve their differences. Advanced life has had much more time for experience, and also share knowledge and abilities to help one another.

Advanced races regularly use mediation by independent third party. They choose someone who is highly respected by all sides, or they already have such a person in place. Each party who has the disagreement may want something different, but they each want the same one thing the most, which is peace. Nobody always gets everything he wants. Everyone helps to just get themselves and everyone else as close to what they each need as possible.

For instance, if a number of races use a resource from a world, and one of those races begins to need more and this becomes a concern to the others that their resource will become depleted, this would be a problem.

Some races are especially widely known and respected for their natural abilities of personality and wisdom. These races are usually among the most advanced in an area, and many particularly skilled members of such a race may be employed in a group of worlds as mediators.

Other kinds of problems advanced races have are similar to ours, such as disease and limited technologies to achieve the next particular obstacle. But again these problems have been and are handled in advanced ways, so they are much less occurring and less lasting.

P8

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And if i meet an alien, should i talk in english or dutch? (or german, french or japanese)

If you meet an alien being, then he already knows you and your language. Just use the language you are most comfortable with. He will understand you no matter what language you use. But speak by telepathy and you will be more clearly understood as in exactly what you mean.

P8, I got your answer.

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"How does or can a race of people move from their natural world to live on another world?"

It is almost entirely impossible for a race of people to move to another world. Naturally it is impossible. With specific technologies there is a slight possibility of success. The only reason to answer with any hope is because there are "soooo many" other worlds that there may be another that has some similar elements. But even then, chances are that it is too far away to even be reached by the needy race.

Even if a race can find and travel to another world that partly matches any particular necessities of its biology, there will be too many other particular necessities that would make it impossible. If a race finds a world with usable water, the food may not be usable. If temperature is livable, air pressure or gravity may make it impossible. Germs and bacteria of infinite, mutating varieties except of people's own world are deadly.

One way to use technologies to sustain life on a foreign world that is slightly matched to one's own is to use types of enclosures such as domes to create a strictly controlled environment. But any such kind of a diversification to the world by what the race brings and does there will then affect the elements of the world. The natural cycle to a world runs itself, having evolved itself that way. When you make any planetary or atmospheric changes to it, you cannot predict how destruction will happen to the world, only that it will. For dynamic "breathing" worlds such as Earth, covering the ground in a large enough way for a race to move there would suffocate the planet, catastrophically changing the natural balance of its inner pressure and ecosystem.

If a race can find and reach another similar livable planet to its own, and they can build shelters, and do not die quickly, and the planet does not die quickly, there is then a remote possibility that the world can adapt and survive. Then there is a remote possibility that the race can begin to adapt to their new world's new atmosphere by slowly exposing itself to the elements, that over evolutional time the race can develop into.

It is easier in every way to live in crafts in space than it is to move onto another world.

thank you very much

and again, i came up with a new question:

this time, it is about a particular alien:
http://www.theprojectatearth.com/Kaywaan.html
The description says that this alien can conduct their bodies at near light speed.

you have probably heared of einsteins theory of relativity (which has been proven). Which comes to this: The faster you move, the slower time will flow for you compared to those who are not moving. For example: if you move with 99,999% of the light speed for about a minute, probably everyone you knew would have died of ageing.

if these aliens can move their bodies at near light speed, that means there will be some strange phenomenons within their race.
same goes for space flight
do you have more information about this?

and what is jack's role in all of this? You teach people via the internet, and i cant remember you have ever mentioned anything about what jack does

I'm guessing Einstein's theory is fundamentally flawed.

But then, it seems somewhat likely buy now that observation changes reality ( In the sense that multiple realities exist at the same time as seperate waveworms and only when they are observed do they collapse into a single waveform which we then call reality).
So if these creatures then observed something else entirely, reality may be different for them. I should wonder what would happen when fundamentally different creatures observed simoltaniously, which waveform would collapse? If either.

If you're not sure what I'm talking about, ask Schrodinger's cat.

P8

I will see what I can find out about Kaywaan that I don't already know about how he can move around. My understanding is that there is no time discrepancy until you travel beyond near light speed. At that point, the mechanism becomes dimensional which takes one to "many times greater" than the speed of light. Don't forget that alien technologies to manipulate time are not limited to what we would assume from what we think we already know about relativity.

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and what is jack's role in all of this? You teach people via the internet, and i cant remember you have ever mentioned anything about what jack does

Jack and I work together both with the aliens and with the public. Jack's skills make him better suited than I to work individually with the aliens and my skills make me better suited than he to work individually with the public. We give talks to local groups large and small and some interviews for the media now and again. We always speak in person together, and when our children are all grown we will travel more.

For now, I do most of the talking with humans by phone and writing by mail, email and posting to message boards on the Internet. I have greater writing abilities, artistic-creative design skills, social skills, understanding and patience with never-ending questions than Jack does. Jack has greater abilities to understand more alien races than I do, wider and more intricate expressions of the aliens than I do, and greater access to his natural (psychic) abilities we use when we meet with them. He can more easily and bravely handle one-on-one alien contact than I, as well as recall greater amounts of material from other states of consciousness.

It just happens naturally that I do most of the recording of events and writing and speaking with people individually. If you would like to hear from Jack, I can arrange it and he would be more than happy to.

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Op vrijdag 12 november 2004 00:52 schreef EarthSister het volgende:
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Op vrijdag 12 november 2004 03:12 schreef EarthSister het volgende:
P8, I got your answer.
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you probably got that answer between those two posts.
Now you live in Massachusetts. that means there's a difference in time of 6 hours. which means you met your friends between 18.52 and 21.12
It's probably already dark in Massachusetts at that time, but everyone is still awake at that time. So how could you have spoken to the aliens, if everyone could have seen the alien landingcraft coming down?

Come to think about it, how do you keep contact? I think people'll notice if aliens would land their craft in your garden occasionally

p.s. sorry if i sounded a bit rude in my post, but im quite tired and cant come up with the best words.

It's all right P8. I know it's confusing. Honestly I don't exactly or completely understand it myself.

The alien races can land their crafts literally anywhere they want, and nobody here can see them unless they want us to. Even some in a group of people can see them while the rest cannot.

But they don't land their crafts here every time they talk with us. Usually they remain on their crafts above our atmosphere and only speak telepathically with us. When they do make a personal visit, they are usually out of body and they can travel without landing their crafts.

Sometimes, they land their crafts right down over where we are, so "in effect" we are standing on board of their crafts with them, face to face, as well as standing in our own living rooms with them, face to face, both at the same time, each in our own atmospheres.

haha, Tatie

You don't need that.

Umm, why?

Tatie, I think you are right.

Who cares about dying, better care about living

Hi again earthsister

Tatie gave me an idea of another question. What do the aliens think about drugs. I think they wont approve cocain or heroin, since they are really addicting and devastating.
But what about cannabis, alcohol, and coffee?

P8

Jack and I have talked with our alien contacts about these substances before, having come up in our conversations. They do not advocate or promote the use of any of the ones you mention or any others.

Use, withdrawal and addiction of any altering substance disturbs our natural balance of body, mind and spirit, and hampers progression of spiritual awareness -- some more than others, some more temporary, and some for a lasting time.

It is true that altering your states of consciousness with dangerous amounts of hallucinogenic substances can create, for a time, an apparent greater awareness of spiritual abilities. But that awareness is thus warped as well as your cognitive understanding of events. The state of impairment renders you useless to those of your spiritual existence who interact with you, just as well as to those of your daily physical one.

Don't mention Tatie, he just don't know what he is talking about. I don't understand him at all.\

Wich future sucks?? And why??? He doesn't even know why

Did you know that air-conditioning is extremely bad for planet earth?

Earthsister

Does that mean that you dont use any of these? I would never give up coffee

For a while now I have been entertaining the possibilty that we (homo sapiens) do not in fact originate from Earth and that we did naturally evolve here.
If you look in prehistoric history (now there's a contrary term) you will ofcourse read all about the struggle for survival between the homo species and the neanderthal which the latter obviously lost. Is it possible that through some event we cannot remember we drove the species which was originally about to rule this planet out of existence?

There are ofcourse also related issues of prehistoric finds which don't seem to correspond with what we figure prehistoric life was like (shoeprints in pre-cambrian rock et cetera).

I would appreciate your thoughts on this, EarthSister.

P8

I drink coffee once in a while, but every day I drink tea. I drink alcohol at weddings and on some holidays. I do not smoke any cannabis at all. If I liked cannabis I would smoke it occasionally instead of drinking alcohol. What I like best is to be clean inside and to always know what is going on around me.

deGVR

I do not know anything about the supposed struggle for survival between the homo species and the Neanderthal. I have not even studied current data to have an opinion on the theories.

What I know from the aliens is that human DNA arrived here from another race of Humans. Our DNA developed from its beginning state and evolved into what we are now, adapted exactly to our own world and atmosphere. We did not land here as developed people, and we are not biologically like the race of humans we came from. Our worlds and our bodies are just exactly equally as different.

There was some limited early assistance from the alien races to move our DNA along. This was very early, not recent and did not change us, but moved us forward faster.

I would more trust your more experienced opinion about the history of man on Earth if you have done research about it.

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Op dinsdag 16 november 2004 01:32 schreef Tatie het volgende:
Earthsister i dont deal with drugs, and we dont need it, please make this clear.

You are right. What we need is to consume the elements that our bodies are exactly made to thrive on.

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Op dinsdag 16 november 2004 02:05 schreef EarthSister het volgende:
There was some limited early assistance from the alien races to move our DNA along. This was very early, not recent and did not change us, but moved us forward faster.

Did they do this with the Egyptians? Because there are some several theories which indicate they got help from far more advanced civilizations.


And do aliens have personal problems? Like the way they look (which is a very big issue for some people here on earth), or problems in their love-lifes? etc.

EarthSister

it might be something, to ask the Council to intervene in our chaotic world before hell breaks loose.
They need to appear to the public a.s.a.p. to get all these nonsense about war and Jihad out of those silly pathedic minds of people like G.W. Bush, Bin Laden and all the other terrorists. When the aliens show up, people have something else to be busy with instead of killing eachother.

P8

I do not know when exactly the alien races (or maybe one race) gave our DNA a push a long. I was told it was very early. I believe it was long before the Egyptians. I believe it was before our body forms were much like people. It is clear to me also that our visiting races have always done discrete, non-interfering things to help our humanity along all throughout our development to today.

Yes, all people may have personal problems. However, advanced races do not live in societies that force themselves into personal problems, or that compound their personal problems. It is hard to speak generally for all races, but just imagine all of the time most other races have had to overcome so much of daily difficulties in life compared to us.

EarthSister

DonGorgon

It is my desire for the visiting races to intervene as soon as possible. It is also their intention to intervene as soon as possible.

Try to see humanity as a whole, and each of the ways all of us behave as one part of the whole. What makes us human is inside of all of us. The visiting races cannot divide us from that which makes us human, but can only offer their assistance to help us overcome our disgraces. The offer of better solutions is a first step made by them, but accepting it is a first step yet to be made by us.

I would like to see a vote of all people as to whether they think our governments should accept help from our visiting races. First our governments would have to admit they have been turning down the offers of our visiting races for a very long time already, and they don't want to do that. We would need to have actual honest individuals in positions of world power, and our governments don't want to do that either.

EarthSister

Earthsister, why are you helping us in such a way that you have show us who you are? You know that most people won't take you seriously. Why this approach and not a more anonymous one?

Do not intervene too soon, we might have to go through another crisis to gain more awareness.

Intervening too soon might be like bringing democracy to a colony of ants

And I don't like it any more than you men.

Anyway, I hope soon isn't too soon, but also not too late

EMW

I am a public speaker. It is my position to do this, and it is why I work with the alien races throughout my whole life. It would not help my cause if I was anonymous. Most people who work with alien life are not public speakers and they do not need to prove themselves as open and honest to the public. Most do not even need to speak to the public, anonymous or not.

I know most on open forums do not take me seriously, but that is not what matters most. What matters most is that people hear what people like me have to say and think about it. That helps their consideration and realization to grow where otherwise they may not have that opportunity.

Usually I speak with individuals and inside groups of people who already know from personal experience that alien life is real and visiting Earth. But it is important for all humans to have the chance to hear real things about the alien races. You don't want to have no background information when the day comes that you find out they are real. Or else you might only know how to believe the untrue things you have been told about them.

Keep thinking and wondering and asking questions. Imagine if you opened a new picture puzzle and started throwing away all the pieces you could not identify right away... that is what most people do with the mysteries and evidences of alien life.

EarthSister

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Hi Earthsister, did the aliens tell you if we are living in some kind of virtual matrix??

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Op dinsdag 16 november 2004 18:39 schreef EarthSister het volgende:

I would like to see a vote of all people as to whether they think our governments should accept help from our visiting races.

Let's start small.

Poll: Do you think our governments should accept help?

Yes

No
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Ook een poll maken? Klik hier</sup>

My vote goes to: Yes.

Why not? "No" is such a negative approach. As long as Earthsisters Aliens are not from the movie "Mars attacks" (or a similar movie with hostile agressive aliens), it's fine by me

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Op woensdag 17 november 2004 01:21 schreef Morwen het volgende:
My vote goes to: Yes.

That makes two of us.

The only problem might be (as mentioned before) is that 'our governments' might demonize the visiting races to such an extend that people might be manipulated into fear and -hence- a hostile reception.

My vote: Yes

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Op woensdag 17 november 2004 00:53 schreef Aurora025 het volgende:
Hi Earthsister, did the aliens tell you if we are living in some kind of virtual matrix??

Hai, Aurora. No, they didn't tell me that, but it could be true, at least in perception. What do you think?

ES

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Op woensdag 17 november 2004 01:31 schreef APK het volgende:

The only problem might be (as mentioned before) is that 'our governments' might demonize the visiting races to such an extend that people might be manipulated into fear and -hence- a hostile reception.

APK

Yes, exactly. The governments can even design events in secret to then blame on the aliens. And you know if the governments attack the aliens they can always just say that the aliens attacked us first, but don't worry our great governments will protect us.

It is not the problem that our governments are so wise and sneaky. The problem is that our publics are kept so uneducated yet misinformed.

I voted yes. That is a very nice pole you made. Thank you very much.

ES

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Op dinsdag 16 november 2004 18:39 schreef EarthSister het volgende:
DonGorgon

It is my desire for the visiting races to intervene as soon as possible. It is also their intention to intervene as soon as possible.

Try to see humanity as a whole, and each of the ways all of us behave as one part of the whole. What makes us human is inside of all of us. The visiting races cannot divide us from that which makes us human, but can only offer their assistance to help us overcome our disgraces. The offer of better solutions is a first step made by them, but accepting it is a first step yet to be made by us.

I would like to see a vote of all people as to whether they think our governments should accept help from our visiting races. First our governments would have to admit they have been turning down the offers of our visiting races for a very long time already, and they don't want to do that. We would need to have actual honest individuals in positions of world power, and our governments don't want to do that either.

EarthSister

The Dutch side of the Niburu organisation already called for help from the Ashtar Command of the Galactic Federation. I don't know if they are allied to the OVR, but I do not think the OVR needs permission from the world's governments to help humanity before they extinct, by killing eachother.

We need help and we need it a.s.a.p. No matter what the governments think of it, they only think about themselves. We think about humanity, we all are brother and sisters, we all come from the same Source. The Source is what made us and what made all life thruout the galaxy. Brothers and sisters help eachother.
Lets get it started before it's too late...

Governments consist of normal human beings eh, don't forget... of course they need help, almost everyone does

Help us to get back on track, because we took the wrong exit somewhere after the 60's

(oh, and we were so close)

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Op donderdag 18 november 2004 17:07 schreef DonGorgon het volgende:

The Dutch side of the Niburu organisation already called for help from the Ashtar Command of the Galactic Federation. I don't know if they are allied to the OVR, but I do not think the OVR needs permission from the world's governments to help humanity before they extinct, by killing eachother.

DonGorgon

All of the races that visit Earth are allied and work inside of the organization of visiting races. There is not another parallel or opposing organization. In fact, there is one organization of visiting races for every established world of intelligent life.

There is a galactic union of over 5200 worlds of advanced life in five galaxies, to which all of our visiting races belong.

I know these are popular beliefs, but Nibiru is fabricated as well as The Ashtar Command.

You are right, our visiting races don't need permission to be here or to help us, but they are not allowed by the laws of the union to interfere in any harmful way. Certainly interfering with our world, even to help, before we are sufficiently ready would be harmful. It would cause much more problems for us than it would solve.

If we were about to make ourselves extinct, then yes they could step in. But before that time their options are limited. The thing that will make us ready to accept other races and their assistance is public education about them. So far, almost "all" of what I ever hear or see from humans about alien life is false. Honestly, humans will believe just about anything. That is just the way we are, but we need to wise up to ever be considered evolutionally mature or ready to take our place in a group of worlds.

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Hi Earthsister, First off i want to compliment on your effort to educate the people on this forum about alien presence and their intentions. As i tried it before i know from first hand how hard it is to fill up those empty skulls with a bit of knowledge and reason.
As your story mostly fits the conclusions i've already had made based on research, you won't hear much argument about it from me.. but...... some things don't fit the picture.

-How come you still haven't lost your temper after dealing with such ignorant people. ? did you have communication training . ? the way you can keep your calm is almost .. unhuman

-Why did you vote yes to the question if aliens should help our governments when you should know that our governments right now are our biggest problem. actually if any help, they should help us get them arrested.

- whats the deal with late Laurence rockefeller, why did he fund so many UFO research as for example the disclosure project, when his family is part of the global elite we refer to as illuminati.

- last year i saw a big ufo estimated at about 1.5 km in size. What's the purpose for such big ships ?

- What brought you to this especially this ( dutch ) forum ?

- and last but not least say hi to them and tell them to come visit me do they have asylum procedures ? because i definitly want off this planet..

HI Earthsister, im still reading the 2nd topic.

Its fun to read your, and other people posts.

I just have 1 question, 'caus if you have contacts you probably know the colours off some space air crafts.

When i was a little kid, i got a kite (dit is toch vertaling van vlieger?) on my birthday.
This day, or couple days after this i wanted to play with it, near a school.
I let the Kite fly, behin our house, at about 10 meters, about the same height as the building between our house and the school, so my kite wont hit the building or whatever....

So i went walking with my brother to the school with the kite in the air.
At the moment we were on the left side of the building, my kite hit a green flying thing.
We didnt hear anything "flying", before my kite hit it, there was nothing in the air.
My kite went down after this hit, and i watched my kite fall.... thats why i lost contact with the flying green thing. My brother and i talked alot about this experience....

The only things we know for sure, that it was green (dark green i think) and it looked like it was round and not big, not bigger then 10 meters in lenght.

So plz contacts your friends, and ask them who hit my kite it was probably between 1985-1990

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Op vrijdag 19 november 2004 07:25 schreef Fonkmeistah het volgende:
Hi Earthsister, First off i want to compliment on your effort to educate the people on this forum about alien presence and their intentions. As i tried it before i know from first hand how hard it is to fill up those empty skulls with a bit of knowledge and reason.

Fonkmeistah

Thank you, I appreciate your comments very much. I stick my neck out in lots of places but I try to only do it where I am welcome, or at least tolerated.

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As your story mostly fits the conclusions i've already had made based on research, you won't hear much argument about it from me.. but...... some things don't fit the picture.

What kind of research do you like to do? What are your sources? Do you also have personal experiences with alien beings?

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-How come you still haven't lost your temper after dealing with such ignorant people. ? did you have communication training . ? the way you can keep your calm is almost .. unhuman

The people on this forum (in this thread) are very polite, even in disagreement, especially compared to some people on some other Internet forums I have posted to. At times I have felt angry in response to mean-spirited, repeated ridicule on other forums, but I can stand up for myself without losing my temper. I understand that people need a chance to express their views and get to know me a little, since they can't know right away that I am different from anybody else who makes alien claims. If a conversation becomes too hostile and nobody is asking me any serious questions, I just leave them in peace and find another place to visit. Often when I am posting to seemingly unfriendly message boards, some of the members are writing to my private email with questions and support, afraid to talk openly to me on the board for fear they will also be ridiculed. I talk in a place for a while, as long as it goes well, and then I move on. I try not to be a pest, but try to make myself known and available to answer what I can.

There are "many" people who are having alien encounters, or will be later in their lives, or who have a family member or friend who has encounters, and most of these people do not have anybody to learn from who can help them understand and show them what is true. When they try to find information, almost all of what they find is false, designed by professionals to scare and confuse them, and lead them away from their own alien contacts, and they don't even know that this is being done to them. If all I can do is plant a seed of a good idea that helps people think in more true way, then that can create an opportunity for them to consider trying to open communication with their alien contacts and get to know them. Only then can they make their own decisions about alien life, and have the option of working with them if they want, or at least supporting others who do.

You know, when people hear the truth, they know it inside. Even if they kick and scream and cuss all the way to town, they still have learned something valuable that will make all the difference for them (and the aliens) at some later time. If I stopped speaking just because hardly anybody actually "believes" me, I would miss all the thousands of chances I get to help others learn about the aliens. In fact, all the things my own alien contacts teach me would be wasted. A person is incredibly fortunate to already know something about the aliens before he meets them, as it makes everything just soooo much easier.

I have not had any formal communication training, but I've had a lot of practice, and I try to be as patient with others in helping them understand me, as my alien contacts are with me. I really do understand how hard this stuff is to believe. I tell others that it is always wiser and safer to withhold judgment until they have their own experience. When a person just believes me off the top, I see that either they already personally know something about the aliens, or they are a person who might believe just about anything anybody tells them.

You asked me, though, why I don't lose my temper with ignorant people. There is nothing wrong with being ignorant about alien life. Hardly anybody on Earth knows the aliens. It is only the mean, horrid, rude people who insist that nothing can exist in the Universe that they themselves do not already know about, that can really get to me if I let them.

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-Why did you vote yes to the question if aliens should help our governments when you should know that our governments right now are our biggest problem. actually if any help, they should help us get them arrested.

I believe the question was more like, "Do you think the governments should accept help from alien life?"
When the governments can't lie anymore, they will stop lying. The cure for the lies is education about the aliens. The govt lies can't hurt us anymore once we know what the truth is. Their lies will then only expose them for their own crimes.
Our government is only made of people, as someone else said here, and they can be changed over, and they will be.

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- whats the deal with late Laurence rockefeller, why did he fund so many UFO research as for example the disclosure project, when his family is part of the global elite we refer to as illuminati.

I do not personally know anything directly about this. But if what you say is true, then that is why he funded it.

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- last year i saw a big ufo estimated at about 1.5 km in size. What's the purpose for such big ships ?

The largest alien craft that visits Earth is 2.6 mi x .52 mi. (4,200 m x 850 m) and it is a community craft with quarters for members of each visiting race. Most crafts here are not nearly as large, made to travel here and accommodate the representatives and crew of a single race, and normally remain parked outside of our atmosphere. The smaller crafts we commonly see approaching the surface of our planet are shuttle crafts from those.

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- What brought you to this especially this ( dutch ) forum ?

I was sort of invited by a member who posts to another message board I sometimes post to.

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- and last but not least say hi to them and tell them to come visit me do they have asylum procedures ? because i definitly want off this planet..

I wish the aliens could rescue us all. But seriously, we are each here for a reason already, believe it or not. We didn't happen to land here by any chance. And there would be no place to put us if the aliens took us away.

ES

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Op vrijdag 19 november 2004 09:44 schreef DarkY.NL het volgende:

The only things we know for sure, that it was green (dark green i think) and it looked like it was round and not big, not bigger then 10 meters in lenght.

So plz contacts your friends, and ask them who hit my kite it was probably between 1985-1990

Hai, DarkY.NL

And you and your brother never forgot that incident. My guess is the same as your guess, that it was an alien craft. I know from my experiences that the aliens can have themselves and/or their crafts right in front of us in the next dimension and we can't see them unless they want us to. Sometimes too, we can feel them, even bump into them that way. I don't understand how, but yes it is the common way they are hiding before our eyes.

You asked me to ask my alien friends, so I will. You said to ask them who hit your kite, but I will ask them if what you hit with your kite, and you and your brother saw, was an alien craft, if that is ok with you. But please give me a closer date if you can, and the address, and can you tell me your name? I think that will help if I can find out, if they know and if they will tell me.

Have you or your brother, or anybody else in your family had any kind of similar experience before that or since that? This would be more of a definitive clue for your own mind than anything I can tell you about the kite incident.

hi Earthsister,
tx for your reply.

i really dont know any more exact date, then to give my birthday 28th may.
Maybe my parenst know a little smaller time period... ill ask one of them when i see them.

My name is Patrick and my brother name is Sebastiaan. The place where this mysterious accident happened, was at the corner of a street called IJslandsestraat and the Noorsestraat.
Both in a small city called Delfzijl in the north/northeast of Holland.

Maybe your friends already know things now, with this information... so i'll wait for your next contact with them...

(part of text i added reading your post again)
Before this kite-accident i never saw this kind of things(or maybe i was to young to understand it).
But after this, on almost the same spot but much higher in the air ive seen a fast lightball. Always thought it was a falling star/small meteor and never tought about connecting this with my strange kite-accident. (and maybe i shouldnt connect it )

My dad lived for a couple years in a small town called Oosteinde, even more north then Delfzijl.
It was late and he walked with the dogs, for the last time that day, when he saw strange lights in the air with various colours shining at him.
There are some disco's around this area with laser gun shows etc... but are in another direction. He never walks at night without his flashlight and used it to shine back... what happened after this i dont remember, or he never told me.

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DarkY. NL

I have printed our conversation and will leave the papers with a few others I have prepared for the rare opportunity I get to ask questions on random things. My alien contacts are always busy, and when they come by here it's always for a purpose already. They rarely deviate from that purpose, so even though they may talk with us several times over the course of weeks or months, I have to just wait for if and when they can answer your question. Somebody will answer eventually, they almost always do, but sometimes an answer can be a decline to answer.

I am telling you this just so you can get an idea of the process. I think the aliens would like to answer every question people ask me, as well as all my own questions. But that would take up "all" our time with them and give us too much to think about at once, but no time to work on the most important things. There are always ramifications to what random answers bring to those who ask such personal questions about themselves. I find that the aliens tend to answer general questions more often and with less reservation than the personal ones.

Say for instance, as I suspect a little bit, that you and your family are alien experiencers, and you have not quite finished your process of discovery about it yet. If this is so, then there is already a working schedule of events laid out for your life, and your own alien contacts may have a lot to consider about how certain answers may affect you. Whether you believed them or not, they may interrupt, or just as well may help, the process of your development concerning alien life, your thoughts about the subject as well as your feelings toward your own involvement. I know that one answer would seem unable to make any difference, but the opportunity is of a large magnitude, not taken lightly by alien life, and they see that any answer could grow unaided inside your mind to something else. From this point you could take an entirely different path, maybe a better one, maybe not.

The best way for you to learn that (if) what you saw and hit with your kite was an alien craft, is for yourself in your own way, and maybe about the light-ball you saw in the same place, and maybe about the colored lights that shined at your dad. You must agree that it would make more sense and be more real for you coming from your own experience, than coming from me, even if it was still going to take a long time to arrive. I suspect that if you and your family explore more memories, you will find more events.

Personal alien contact is never random. Sightings of crafts, or bumping into them, are rarely accidental. Repeated instances can only indicate more of a careful intention. These make you think and wonder and learn, and prepare you for a later day of some larger event, when all the seemingly random past pieces can fall into place. Without the strange little glimpses through your life, you would have no pieces to work with come the day, whatever that day may be. Events for us are planned by alien life lifetimes ahead, over our generations. Perhaps your children will be "great" alien experiencers. Imagine then what the value of your own simple sightings and developed understanding can be to them. If this is the case, let's hope that your wife, mother to your children, has also been learning something to prepare her to be supportive. Don't underestimate a tiny glimpse of an alien craft, because a little tiny bit of true understanding can make "all" the difference in the Universe to yourself or somebody you care about.

I would like to ask you to start using a part of every day to pay a little closer attention to all the physical, mundane things around you. Relax, clear your mind. Breathe normally, use all of your senses. Once you master this (1 to 2 months every day), then start applying your new skills to the layers of spaces between all of the physical mundane things around you. Whether you have alien contact or not, everyone and everything is of a spiritual nature that you can discover if you pay attention.

To capture and normalize the events, you can write down all the things you and your family remember in a journal. Keep it safe and add to it as any new things happen.

I will let you know as soon as I get any answer to your question.

ES

Earthsister,
again tx for the reply and the tips.

im happy to see there are more people asking questions again.

But i was wondering, what is the point of elder men and women? From a evolutionairy point of view. Do the aliens have an explanation why people don't die when they aren't capable of getting children anymore?

P8

On Earth, elders are not appreciated by us as well as they should be, or as well as those in and by advanced races. But the elders of each race hold the singular greatest wisdom and reason, having accumulated the most experience and widest view of all in a whole population of living people.

Think of what seems to be most socially (commercially) important to humans, and they have youth, beauty, wealth, and sexuality. How shallow! If that is all that is really important to them, that is why when they take these away, all they have left is old age.

What do you suppose are actually "the" important things in life? Use your imagination and get corny for me here.

ES
http://www.TheProjectAtEarth.com

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Op zondag 21 november 2004 21:38 schreef EarthSister het volgende:
P8

On Earth, elders are not appreciated by us as well as they should be, or as well as those in and by advanced races. But the elders of each race hold the singular greatest wisdom and reason, having accumulated the most experience and widest view of all in a whole population of living people.

Think of what seems to be most socially (commercially) important to humans, and they have youth, beauty, wealth, and sexuality. How shallow! If that is all that is really important to them, that is why when they take these away, all they have left is old age.

What do you suppose are actually "the" important things in life? Use your imagination and get corny for me here.

ES
http://www.TheProjectAtEarth.com

i think the most important things are equallity, freedom, wealth, and succes (at work and in my lovelife).
but elders have nothing more to do than spread knowledge. Our genes have no concept of knowledge. the only thing what is "important" to them is survival. The best adapted will survive. it has no interest in educating the next generation, has it?

ir is this something which has yet to be discoverd by our scientists?

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Op vrijdag 19 november 2004 22:19 schreef EarthSister het volgende:
What kind of research do you like to do? What are your sources? Do you also have personal experiences with alien beings?

i mostly research the controversial stuff, Things the government don't want you to know, which mostly leads to conspiracies, a subject which incorporates, psychology, sociology, history, politics, propaganda, theology, information and psychological warfare, etc, etc,
I draw my sources from the internet, among others, scientific publications, government reports, eyewitness accounts and most important, people with dissenting views and opinions.
regarding ufo's and alien life i find the dislosure project and the book "ufo, the best available evidence" showing a lot of good information...
with all the sources , i look at the information presented and form my own conclusions using reason and logic, having an open and very analytical mind plus an iq of 150+ does prove very convenient in these matters..
have i met aliens ? not that i can remember, i have seen a lot of ufo's though and been interested in the subject since i was a child.

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At times I have felt angry in response to mean-spirited, repeated ridicule on other forums, but I can stand up for myself without losing my temper.

being a man with higher testosteron levels, i do have some disadvantages

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When a person just believes me off the top, I see that either they already personally know something about the aliens, or they are a person who might believe just about anything anybody tells them.

your opinion coincides so much with my own, it gets me a bit suspicious. as i'm not used to persons sharing the same opinion, you must forgive me for that though

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The largest alien craft that visits Earth is 2.6 mi x .52 mi. (4,200 m x 850 m)

is that lenght x width or width x length ? in other words rocket shaped or wing shaped ( in regard to the way it flies )

EarthSister, there are so many elders that have learned nothing but (white) lies all their lives, how can you expect them to be full of wisdom and reason? That is just simply not true.

We are not in a fantasy flick, where everybody who's old and has a beard is automatically wise, we are on Earth.

Also, the older you are, the more difficult you will find it to move from one reality to another, once the former reality is proven false.

However, everyone is good inside his/her heart, also elderly people, no need to ditch them or anything

Just don't overrate them.

Most elders that I know are very wise. It's how you define "wisdom". They know a lot about life from their experiences.
Apart from their learned knowledge ,we can learn much from them. Wisdom goes a bit further than oldfashioned opinions or not being flexible enough to face the reality.
Most youngsters believe that they are already wise, but they will laugh about themselves when being older.

No one is the same. My neighbour has another kind of wisdom than my grandfather.

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Op zondag 21 november 2004 22:17 schreef Fonkmeistah het volgende:

is that lenght x width or width x length ? in other words rocket shaped or wing shaped ( in regard to the way it flies )

I recall being told and writing it down, and tried a few times to find it in my notes, but it alludes me. I think it is rocket shaped.

If you would like to talk with me in person you may use my email address or messenger.

-ES

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Op zondag 21 november 2004 21:54 schreef P8 het volgende:

i think the most important things are equallity, freedom, wealth, and succes (at work and in my lovelife).
but elders have nothing more to do than spread knowledge. Our genes have no concept of knowledge. the only thing what is "important" to them is survival. The best adapted will survive. it has no interest in educating the next generation, has it?

ir is this something which has yet to be discoverd by our scientists?

P8

You completely underestimate the value of spreading knowledge, though you realize that our elderly are the link of our past to our future.

It is easy for us to underestimate the value of life when we do not see any value in a life, but look-- if we underestimate any value of any life at all, that is our clue that we are missing seeing something vital that is right in front of us.

I think this is something yet to be discovered by any various individuals, but especially by our young and stubborn who think they are the most important people, making the world spin and the sun go up and down.

-ES

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Op zondag 21 november 2004 22:20 schreef Hallulama het volgende:
EarthSister, there are so many elders that have learned nothing but (white) lies all their lives, how can you expect them to be full of wisdom and reason? That is just simply not true.

We are not in a fantasy flick, where everybody who's old and has a beard is automatically wise, we are on Earth.

Also, the older you are, the more difficult you will find it to move from one reality to another, once the former reality is proven false.

However, everyone is good inside his/her heart, also elderly people, no need to ditch them or anything

Just don't overrate them.

Hallulama

There is just "so much" more to physical life and spirit that you do not notice, that most people do not notice, ever in their whole lives. We can't consider what we don't even notice.

-ES

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Op maandag 22 november 2004 00:22 schreef Price het volgende:
Most elders that I know are very wise. It's how you define "wisdom". They know a lot about life from their experiences.
Apart from their learned knowledge ,we can learn much from them. Wisdom goes a bit further than oldfashioned opinions or not being flexible enough to face the reality.
Most youngsters believe that they are already wise, but they will laugh about themselves when being older.

No one is the same. My neighbour has another kind of wisdom than my grandfather.

Price

Your simple comments say a lot about the quality of your spiritual character. You are already wise beyond your youth and will continue to accumulate experience and knowledge forever after you leave this life. You may be an old man here for just a few precious years of your existence, but what you leave behind will permanently contribute to the spiritual wealth of all.

-ES

One of the nicest things I've heard. Thanks Nancy.