Organisation of Visiting Races III

My vote goes to: Yes.

Why not? "No" is such a negative approach. As long as Earthsisters Aliens are not from the movie "Mars attacks" (or a similar movie with hostile agressive aliens), it's fine by me

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Op woensdag 17 november 2004 01:21 schreef Morwen het volgende:
My vote goes to: Yes.

That makes two of us.

The only problem might be (as mentioned before) is that 'our governments' might demonize the visiting races to such an extend that people might be manipulated into fear and -hence- a hostile reception.

My vote: Yes

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Op woensdag 17 november 2004 00:53 schreef Aurora025 het volgende:
Hi Earthsister, did the aliens tell you if we are living in some kind of virtual matrix??

Hai, Aurora. No, they didn't tell me that, but it could be true, at least in perception. What do you think?

ES

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Op woensdag 17 november 2004 01:31 schreef APK het volgende:

The only problem might be (as mentioned before) is that 'our governments' might demonize the visiting races to such an extend that people might be manipulated into fear and -hence- a hostile reception.

APK

Yes, exactly. The governments can even design events in secret to then blame on the aliens. And you know if the governments attack the aliens they can always just say that the aliens attacked us first, but don't worry our great governments will protect us.

It is not the problem that our governments are so wise and sneaky. The problem is that our publics are kept so uneducated yet misinformed.

I voted yes. That is a very nice pole you made. Thank you very much.

ES

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Op dinsdag 16 november 2004 18:39 schreef EarthSister het volgende:
DonGorgon

It is my desire for the visiting races to intervene as soon as possible. It is also their intention to intervene as soon as possible.

Try to see humanity as a whole, and each of the ways all of us behave as one part of the whole. What makes us human is inside of all of us. The visiting races cannot divide us from that which makes us human, but can only offer their assistance to help us overcome our disgraces. The offer of better solutions is a first step made by them, but accepting it is a first step yet to be made by us.

I would like to see a vote of all people as to whether they think our governments should accept help from our visiting races. First our governments would have to admit they have been turning down the offers of our visiting races for a very long time already, and they don't want to do that. We would need to have actual honest individuals in positions of world power, and our governments don't want to do that either.

EarthSister

The Dutch side of the Niburu organisation already called for help from the Ashtar Command of the Galactic Federation. I don't know if they are allied to the OVR, but I do not think the OVR needs permission from the world's governments to help humanity before they extinct, by killing eachother.

We need help and we need it a.s.a.p. No matter what the governments think of it, they only think about themselves. We think about humanity, we all are brother and sisters, we all come from the same Source. The Source is what made us and what made all life thruout the galaxy. Brothers and sisters help eachother.
Lets get it started before it's too late...

Governments consist of normal human beings eh, don't forget... of course they need help, almost everyone does

Help us to get back on track, because we took the wrong exit somewhere after the 60's

(oh, and we were so close)

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Op donderdag 18 november 2004 17:07 schreef DonGorgon het volgende:

The Dutch side of the Niburu organisation already called for help from the Ashtar Command of the Galactic Federation. I don't know if they are allied to the OVR, but I do not think the OVR needs permission from the world's governments to help humanity before they extinct, by killing eachother.

DonGorgon

All of the races that visit Earth are allied and work inside of the organization of visiting races. There is not another parallel or opposing organization. In fact, there is one organization of visiting races for every established world of intelligent life.

There is a galactic union of over 5200 worlds of advanced life in five galaxies, to which all of our visiting races belong.

I know these are popular beliefs, but Nibiru is fabricated as well as The Ashtar Command.

You are right, our visiting races don't need permission to be here or to help us, but they are not allowed by the laws of the union to interfere in any harmful way. Certainly interfering with our world, even to help, before we are sufficiently ready would be harmful. It would cause much more problems for us than it would solve.

If we were about to make ourselves extinct, then yes they could step in. But before that time their options are limited. The thing that will make us ready to accept other races and their assistance is public education about them. So far, almost "all" of what I ever hear or see from humans about alien life is false. Honestly, humans will believe just about anything. That is just the way we are, but we need to wise up to ever be considered evolutionally mature or ready to take our place in a group of worlds.

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Hi Earthsister, First off i want to compliment on your effort to educate the people on this forum about alien presence and their intentions. As i tried it before i know from first hand how hard it is to fill up those empty skulls with a bit of knowledge and reason.
As your story mostly fits the conclusions i've already had made based on research, you won't hear much argument about it from me.. but...... some things don't fit the picture.

-How come you still haven't lost your temper after dealing with such ignorant people. ? did you have communication training . ? the way you can keep your calm is almost .. unhuman

-Why did you vote yes to the question if aliens should help our governments when you should know that our governments right now are our biggest problem. actually if any help, they should help us get them arrested.

- whats the deal with late Laurence rockefeller, why did he fund so many UFO research as for example the disclosure project, when his family is part of the global elite we refer to as illuminati.

- last year i saw a big ufo estimated at about 1.5 km in size. What's the purpose for such big ships ?

- What brought you to this especially this ( dutch ) forum ?

- and last but not least say hi to them and tell them to come visit me do they have asylum procedures ? because i definitly want off this planet..

HI Earthsister, im still reading the 2nd topic.

Its fun to read your, and other people posts.

I just have 1 question, 'caus if you have contacts you probably know the colours off some space air crafts.

When i was a little kid, i got a kite (dit is toch vertaling van vlieger?) on my birthday.
This day, or couple days after this i wanted to play with it, near a school.
I let the Kite fly, behin our house, at about 10 meters, about the same height as the building between our house and the school, so my kite wont hit the building or whatever....

So i went walking with my brother to the school with the kite in the air.
At the moment we were on the left side of the building, my kite hit a green flying thing.
We didnt hear anything "flying", before my kite hit it, there was nothing in the air.
My kite went down after this hit, and i watched my kite fall.... thats why i lost contact with the flying green thing. My brother and i talked alot about this experience....

The only things we know for sure, that it was green (dark green i think) and it looked like it was round and not big, not bigger then 10 meters in lenght.

So plz contacts your friends, and ask them who hit my kite it was probably between 1985-1990

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Op vrijdag 19 november 2004 07:25 schreef Fonkmeistah het volgende:
Hi Earthsister, First off i want to compliment on your effort to educate the people on this forum about alien presence and their intentions. As i tried it before i know from first hand how hard it is to fill up those empty skulls with a bit of knowledge and reason.

Fonkmeistah

Thank you, I appreciate your comments very much. I stick my neck out in lots of places but I try to only do it where I am welcome, or at least tolerated.

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As your story mostly fits the conclusions i've already had made based on research, you won't hear much argument about it from me.. but...... some things don't fit the picture.

What kind of research do you like to do? What are your sources? Do you also have personal experiences with alien beings?

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-How come you still haven't lost your temper after dealing with such ignorant people. ? did you have communication training . ? the way you can keep your calm is almost .. unhuman

The people on this forum (in this thread) are very polite, even in disagreement, especially compared to some people on some other Internet forums I have posted to. At times I have felt angry in response to mean-spirited, repeated ridicule on other forums, but I can stand up for myself without losing my temper. I understand that people need a chance to express their views and get to know me a little, since they can't know right away that I am different from anybody else who makes alien claims. If a conversation becomes too hostile and nobody is asking me any serious questions, I just leave them in peace and find another place to visit. Often when I am posting to seemingly unfriendly message boards, some of the members are writing to my private email with questions and support, afraid to talk openly to me on the board for fear they will also be ridiculed. I talk in a place for a while, as long as it goes well, and then I move on. I try not to be a pest, but try to make myself known and available to answer what I can.

There are "many" people who are having alien encounters, or will be later in their lives, or who have a family member or friend who has encounters, and most of these people do not have anybody to learn from who can help them understand and show them what is true. When they try to find information, almost all of what they find is false, designed by professionals to scare and confuse them, and lead them away from their own alien contacts, and they don't even know that this is being done to them. If all I can do is plant a seed of a good idea that helps people think in more true way, then that can create an opportunity for them to consider trying to open communication with their alien contacts and get to know them. Only then can they make their own decisions about alien life, and have the option of working with them if they want, or at least supporting others who do.

You know, when people hear the truth, they know it inside. Even if they kick and scream and cuss all the way to town, they still have learned something valuable that will make all the difference for them (and the aliens) at some later time. If I stopped speaking just because hardly anybody actually "believes" me, I would miss all the thousands of chances I get to help others learn about the aliens. In fact, all the things my own alien contacts teach me would be wasted. A person is incredibly fortunate to already know something about the aliens before he meets them, as it makes everything just soooo much easier.

I have not had any formal communication training, but I've had a lot of practice, and I try to be as patient with others in helping them understand me, as my alien contacts are with me. I really do understand how hard this stuff is to believe. I tell others that it is always wiser and safer to withhold judgment until they have their own experience. When a person just believes me off the top, I see that either they already personally know something about the aliens, or they are a person who might believe just about anything anybody tells them.

You asked me, though, why I don't lose my temper with ignorant people. There is nothing wrong with being ignorant about alien life. Hardly anybody on Earth knows the aliens. It is only the mean, horrid, rude people who insist that nothing can exist in the Universe that they themselves do not already know about, that can really get to me if I let them.

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-Why did you vote yes to the question if aliens should help our governments when you should know that our governments right now are our biggest problem. actually if any help, they should help us get them arrested.

I believe the question was more like, "Do you think the governments should accept help from alien life?"
When the governments can't lie anymore, they will stop lying. The cure for the lies is education about the aliens. The govt lies can't hurt us anymore once we know what the truth is. Their lies will then only expose them for their own crimes.
Our government is only made of people, as someone else said here, and they can be changed over, and they will be.

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- whats the deal with late Laurence rockefeller, why did he fund so many UFO research as for example the disclosure project, when his family is part of the global elite we refer to as illuminati.

I do not personally know anything directly about this. But if what you say is true, then that is why he funded it.

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- last year i saw a big ufo estimated at about 1.5 km in size. What's the purpose for such big ships ?

The largest alien craft that visits Earth is 2.6 mi x .52 mi. (4,200 m x 850 m) and it is a community craft with quarters for members of each visiting race. Most crafts here are not nearly as large, made to travel here and accommodate the representatives and crew of a single race, and normally remain parked outside of our atmosphere. The smaller crafts we commonly see approaching the surface of our planet are shuttle crafts from those.

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- What brought you to this especially this ( dutch ) forum ?

I was sort of invited by a member who posts to another message board I sometimes post to.

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- and last but not least say hi to them and tell them to come visit me do they have asylum procedures ? because i definitly want off this planet..

I wish the aliens could rescue us all. But seriously, we are each here for a reason already, believe it or not. We didn't happen to land here by any chance. And there would be no place to put us if the aliens took us away.

ES

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Op vrijdag 19 november 2004 09:44 schreef DarkY.NL het volgende:

The only things we know for sure, that it was green (dark green i think) and it looked like it was round and not big, not bigger then 10 meters in lenght.

So plz contacts your friends, and ask them who hit my kite it was probably between 1985-1990

Hai, DarkY.NL

And you and your brother never forgot that incident. My guess is the same as your guess, that it was an alien craft. I know from my experiences that the aliens can have themselves and/or their crafts right in front of us in the next dimension and we can't see them unless they want us to. Sometimes too, we can feel them, even bump into them that way. I don't understand how, but yes it is the common way they are hiding before our eyes.

You asked me to ask my alien friends, so I will. You said to ask them who hit your kite, but I will ask them if what you hit with your kite, and you and your brother saw, was an alien craft, if that is ok with you. But please give me a closer date if you can, and the address, and can you tell me your name? I think that will help if I can find out, if they know and if they will tell me.

Have you or your brother, or anybody else in your family had any kind of similar experience before that or since that? This would be more of a definitive clue for your own mind than anything I can tell you about the kite incident.

hi Earthsister,
tx for your reply.

i really dont know any more exact date, then to give my birthday 28th may.
Maybe my parenst know a little smaller time period... ill ask one of them when i see them.

My name is Patrick and my brother name is Sebastiaan. The place where this mysterious accident happened, was at the corner of a street called IJslandsestraat and the Noorsestraat.
Both in a small city called Delfzijl in the north/northeast of Holland.

Maybe your friends already know things now, with this information... so i'll wait for your next contact with them...

(part of text i added reading your post again)
Before this kite-accident i never saw this kind of things(or maybe i was to young to understand it).
But after this, on almost the same spot but much higher in the air ive seen a fast lightball. Always thought it was a falling star/small meteor and never tought about connecting this with my strange kite-accident. (and maybe i shouldnt connect it )

My dad lived for a couple years in a small town called Oosteinde, even more north then Delfzijl.
It was late and he walked with the dogs, for the last time that day, when he saw strange lights in the air with various colours shining at him.
There are some disco's around this area with laser gun shows etc... but are in another direction. He never walks at night without his flashlight and used it to shine back... what happened after this i dont remember, or he never told me.

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DarkY. NL

I have printed our conversation and will leave the papers with a few others I have prepared for the rare opportunity I get to ask questions on random things. My alien contacts are always busy, and when they come by here it's always for a purpose already. They rarely deviate from that purpose, so even though they may talk with us several times over the course of weeks or months, I have to just wait for if and when they can answer your question. Somebody will answer eventually, they almost always do, but sometimes an answer can be a decline to answer.

I am telling you this just so you can get an idea of the process. I think the aliens would like to answer every question people ask me, as well as all my own questions. But that would take up "all" our time with them and give us too much to think about at once, but no time to work on the most important things. There are always ramifications to what random answers bring to those who ask such personal questions about themselves. I find that the aliens tend to answer general questions more often and with less reservation than the personal ones.

Say for instance, as I suspect a little bit, that you and your family are alien experiencers, and you have not quite finished your process of discovery about it yet. If this is so, then there is already a working schedule of events laid out for your life, and your own alien contacts may have a lot to consider about how certain answers may affect you. Whether you believed them or not, they may interrupt, or just as well may help, the process of your development concerning alien life, your thoughts about the subject as well as your feelings toward your own involvement. I know that one answer would seem unable to make any difference, but the opportunity is of a large magnitude, not taken lightly by alien life, and they see that any answer could grow unaided inside your mind to something else. From this point you could take an entirely different path, maybe a better one, maybe not.

The best way for you to learn that (if) what you saw and hit with your kite was an alien craft, is for yourself in your own way, and maybe about the light-ball you saw in the same place, and maybe about the colored lights that shined at your dad. You must agree that it would make more sense and be more real for you coming from your own experience, than coming from me, even if it was still going to take a long time to arrive. I suspect that if you and your family explore more memories, you will find more events.

Personal alien contact is never random. Sightings of crafts, or bumping into them, are rarely accidental. Repeated instances can only indicate more of a careful intention. These make you think and wonder and learn, and prepare you for a later day of some larger event, when all the seemingly random past pieces can fall into place. Without the strange little glimpses through your life, you would have no pieces to work with come the day, whatever that day may be. Events for us are planned by alien life lifetimes ahead, over our generations. Perhaps your children will be "great" alien experiencers. Imagine then what the value of your own simple sightings and developed understanding can be to them. If this is the case, let's hope that your wife, mother to your children, has also been learning something to prepare her to be supportive. Don't underestimate a tiny glimpse of an alien craft, because a little tiny bit of true understanding can make "all" the difference in the Universe to yourself or somebody you care about.

I would like to ask you to start using a part of every day to pay a little closer attention to all the physical, mundane things around you. Relax, clear your mind. Breathe normally, use all of your senses. Once you master this (1 to 2 months every day), then start applying your new skills to the layers of spaces between all of the physical mundane things around you. Whether you have alien contact or not, everyone and everything is of a spiritual nature that you can discover if you pay attention.

To capture and normalize the events, you can write down all the things you and your family remember in a journal. Keep it safe and add to it as any new things happen.

I will let you know as soon as I get any answer to your question.

ES

Earthsister,
again tx for the reply and the tips.

im happy to see there are more people asking questions again.

But i was wondering, what is the point of elder men and women? From a evolutionairy point of view. Do the aliens have an explanation why people don't die when they aren't capable of getting children anymore?

P8

On Earth, elders are not appreciated by us as well as they should be, or as well as those in and by advanced races. But the elders of each race hold the singular greatest wisdom and reason, having accumulated the most experience and widest view of all in a whole population of living people.

Think of what seems to be most socially (commercially) important to humans, and they have youth, beauty, wealth, and sexuality. How shallow! If that is all that is really important to them, that is why when they take these away, all they have left is old age.

What do you suppose are actually "the" important things in life? Use your imagination and get corny for me here.

ES
http://www.TheProjectAtEarth.com

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Op zondag 21 november 2004 21:38 schreef EarthSister het volgende:
P8

On Earth, elders are not appreciated by us as well as they should be, or as well as those in and by advanced races. But the elders of each race hold the singular greatest wisdom and reason, having accumulated the most experience and widest view of all in a whole population of living people.

Think of what seems to be most socially (commercially) important to humans, and they have youth, beauty, wealth, and sexuality. How shallow! If that is all that is really important to them, that is why when they take these away, all they have left is old age.

What do you suppose are actually "the" important things in life? Use your imagination and get corny for me here.

ES
http://www.TheProjectAtEarth.com

i think the most important things are equallity, freedom, wealth, and succes (at work and in my lovelife).
but elders have nothing more to do than spread knowledge. Our genes have no concept of knowledge. the only thing what is "important" to them is survival. The best adapted will survive. it has no interest in educating the next generation, has it?

ir is this something which has yet to be discoverd by our scientists?

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Op vrijdag 19 november 2004 22:19 schreef EarthSister het volgende:
What kind of research do you like to do? What are your sources? Do you also have personal experiences with alien beings?

i mostly research the controversial stuff, Things the government don't want you to know, which mostly leads to conspiracies, a subject which incorporates, psychology, sociology, history, politics, propaganda, theology, information and psychological warfare, etc, etc,
I draw my sources from the internet, among others, scientific publications, government reports, eyewitness accounts and most important, people with dissenting views and opinions.
regarding ufo's and alien life i find the dislosure project and the book "ufo, the best available evidence" showing a lot of good information...
with all the sources , i look at the information presented and form my own conclusions using reason and logic, having an open and very analytical mind plus an iq of 150+ does prove very convenient in these matters..
have i met aliens ? not that i can remember, i have seen a lot of ufo's though and been interested in the subject since i was a child.

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At times I have felt angry in response to mean-spirited, repeated ridicule on other forums, but I can stand up for myself without losing my temper.

being a man with higher testosteron levels, i do have some disadvantages

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When a person just believes me off the top, I see that either they already personally know something about the aliens, or they are a person who might believe just about anything anybody tells them.

your opinion coincides so much with my own, it gets me a bit suspicious. as i'm not used to persons sharing the same opinion, you must forgive me for that though

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The largest alien craft that visits Earth is 2.6 mi x .52 mi. (4,200 m x 850 m)

is that lenght x width or width x length ? in other words rocket shaped or wing shaped ( in regard to the way it flies )

EarthSister, there are so many elders that have learned nothing but (white) lies all their lives, how can you expect them to be full of wisdom and reason? That is just simply not true.

We are not in a fantasy flick, where everybody who's old and has a beard is automatically wise, we are on Earth.

Also, the older you are, the more difficult you will find it to move from one reality to another, once the former reality is proven false.

However, everyone is good inside his/her heart, also elderly people, no need to ditch them or anything

Just don't overrate them.

Most elders that I know are very wise. It's how you define "wisdom". They know a lot about life from their experiences.
Apart from their learned knowledge ,we can learn much from them. Wisdom goes a bit further than oldfashioned opinions or not being flexible enough to face the reality.
Most youngsters believe that they are already wise, but they will laugh about themselves when being older.

No one is the same. My neighbour has another kind of wisdom than my grandfather.

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Op zondag 21 november 2004 22:17 schreef Fonkmeistah het volgende:

is that lenght x width or width x length ? in other words rocket shaped or wing shaped ( in regard to the way it flies )

I recall being told and writing it down, and tried a few times to find it in my notes, but it alludes me. I think it is rocket shaped.

If you would like to talk with me in person you may use my email address or messenger.

-ES

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Op zondag 21 november 2004 21:54 schreef P8 het volgende:

i think the most important things are equallity, freedom, wealth, and succes (at work and in my lovelife).
but elders have nothing more to do than spread knowledge. Our genes have no concept of knowledge. the only thing what is "important" to them is survival. The best adapted will survive. it has no interest in educating the next generation, has it?

ir is this something which has yet to be discoverd by our scientists?

P8

You completely underestimate the value of spreading knowledge, though you realize that our elderly are the link of our past to our future.

It is easy for us to underestimate the value of life when we do not see any value in a life, but look-- if we underestimate any value of any life at all, that is our clue that we are missing seeing something vital that is right in front of us.

I think this is something yet to be discovered by any various individuals, but especially by our young and stubborn who think they are the most important people, making the world spin and the sun go up and down.

-ES

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Op zondag 21 november 2004 22:20 schreef Hallulama het volgende:
EarthSister, there are so many elders that have learned nothing but (white) lies all their lives, how can you expect them to be full of wisdom and reason? That is just simply not true.

We are not in a fantasy flick, where everybody who's old and has a beard is automatically wise, we are on Earth.

Also, the older you are, the more difficult you will find it to move from one reality to another, once the former reality is proven false.

However, everyone is good inside his/her heart, also elderly people, no need to ditch them or anything

Just don't overrate them.

Hallulama

There is just "so much" more to physical life and spirit that you do not notice, that most people do not notice, ever in their whole lives. We can't consider what we don't even notice.

-ES

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Op maandag 22 november 2004 00:22 schreef Price het volgende:
Most elders that I know are very wise. It's how you define "wisdom". They know a lot about life from their experiences.
Apart from their learned knowledge ,we can learn much from them. Wisdom goes a bit further than oldfashioned opinions or not being flexible enough to face the reality.
Most youngsters believe that they are already wise, but they will laugh about themselves when being older.

No one is the same. My neighbour has another kind of wisdom than my grandfather.

Price

Your simple comments say a lot about the quality of your spiritual character. You are already wise beyond your youth and will continue to accumulate experience and knowledge forever after you leave this life. You may be an old man here for just a few precious years of your existence, but what you leave behind will permanently contribute to the spiritual wealth of all.

-ES