Israël - Hamas - #341 Is er al vrede?

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Op zaterdag 24 mei 2025 15:53 schreef Buitendam het volgende:

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40k gebouwen in 2 maanden gecontroleerd tapijtbombardementen uitvoeren, maar meer dan dat is het niet.

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Op zaterdag 24 mei 2025 15:55 schreef Perrin het volgende:

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Heel gericht Hamas uitschakelen.

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Op zaterdag 24 mei 2025 15:59 schreef capricia het volgende:

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In dat artikel zie je een filmpje van 'controlled demolition'. Ze breken het echt af. En zijn nu dus al nieuwe dingen aan het bouwen daar. Een weg, een ziekenhuis.

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To address your question about how much more powerful a Hamas rocket is compared to pyrotechnics, particularly in the context of urban warfare like Rafah, we need to compare the technical characteristics, destructive capabilities, and intended uses of Hamas rockets (e.g., Qassam rockets) with pyrotechnics (e.g., maritime distress signals or fireworks).

Below is a detailed comparison based on available information, including insights from the provided web results.

1. Hamas Rockets (e.g., Qassam Rockets)Hamas rockets, such as the Qassam series, are homemade, unguided artillery rockets developed by the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, the military wing of Hamas. They are designed as weapons for use in conflict, particularly against Israeli targets, and are often cited for their indiscriminate nature, which violates international humanitarian law (e.g., Geneefse Conventies, Article 51 of Additional Protocol I, prohibiting indiscriminate attacks).

Construction and Components:
Materials: Qassam rockets are made from steel or aluminum piping, with fins welded for stabilization. They use homemade rocket fuel (e.g., potassium nitrate and sugar) and warheads filled with explosives like TNT or urea nitrate, often mixed with shrapnel (e.g., ball bearings, nails) for increased lethality.

Warhead:
The explosive payload varies by model:
Qassam-1: ~5 kg of explosives, range of 3–4.5 km.
Qassam-2/3: Up to 10 kg of explosives, range of 8–10 km.M75 (based on Fajr-5): Up to 75 km range, with larger payloads (estimated 20–50 kg).

Detonation: They use a simple point-detonating fuse, often incorporating a small arms cartridge and a spring-loaded nail for instant explosion on impact.

Destructive Power:
Qassam rockets are designed to cause physical damage and terror. They can destroy houses, damage infrastructure, and cause casualties, though their lack of guidance systems makes them inaccurate, often missing precise targets.In urban settings like Rafah, their impact is amplified due to dense populations, but their destructiveness is limited compared to advanced military munitions. For example, a Qassam rocket’s warhead (5–10 kg of explosives) is significantly less powerful than an Israeli airstrike missile (e.g., 750 kg warhead for Iran’s Emad missile).

Historical data: In the 2021 Gaza conflict, Hamas fired over 4,300 rockets, killing 7 people (1 death per ~614 rockets), indicating low per-rocket lethality due to Israel’s Iron Dome (90% interception rate) and the rockets’ inaccuracy.

Purpose: These are offensive weapons intended to target civilian and military areas, often indiscriminately, to sow fear and disrupt life in Israel. Their use in civilian areas (e.g., near schools or hospitals in Rafah) complicates the obligations of an occupying power under the Geneefse Conventies to protect civilians.2. Pyrotechnics (e.g., Maritime Flares, Fireworks)Pyrotechnics, such as maritime distress signals or fireworks, are designed for signaling, illumination, or entertainment, not as weapons. The web results provide details on maritime pyrotechnics, which are relevant for comparison due to their controlled explosive nature.

Construction and Components:
Materials: Maritime pyrotechnics (e.g., hand flares, parachute rocket flares) use chemical compounds like magnesium, potassium nitrate, or strontium nitrate to produce bright light or smoke. They lack shrapnel or high-explosive warheads.

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No explosive warhead; instead, they contain pyrotechnic compositions (e.g., ~100–500 grams of chemical mix for flares) designed to burn brightly or produce smoke for signaling.

Examples:
Hand Flares: Emit a bright red flame for ~60 seconds, visible up to 5–10 km.

Parachute Rocket Flares: Launch to 300–350 meters, deploy a red flare with a parachute, visible for 20–40 km.

Smoke Signals: Release dense orange smoke for daytime signaling.

Destructive Power:
Pyrotechnics are not designed to cause damage. Their energy output is measured in light intensity (e.g., candela) or burn duration, not explosive yield.They can cause burns or start fires if mishandled (e.g., a hand flare’s 1,000°C flame), but they lack the concussive force or shrapnel of rockets.In rare cases, large fireworks (e.g., professional display shells) can cause injury or death, but their explosive content is typically <1 kg and not intended for destruction.Purpose: Pyrotechnics are used for safety (e.g., maritime distress signals) or entertainment (e.g., fireworks). They are not weapons and are regulated for safe use under standards like SOLAS (Safety of Life at Sea).

3. Power Comparison: To quantify how much more powerful a Hamas rocket is than pyrotechnics, we can compare their explosive yield, kinetic energy, and intended effects:

Explosive Yield: A Qassam-1 rocket carries ~5 kg of TNT or equivalent, with an explosive yield of roughly 20–25 MJ (megajoules), capable of destroying a house or causing multiple casualties if it hits directly.A typical maritime flare or large firework contains ~0.1–0.5 kg of pyrotechnic material, with an energy output of ~0.1–1 MJ, primarily for light or smoke, not destruction.

Ratio: A Qassam rocket’s explosive yield is approximately 20–250 times greater than a pyrotechnic device, depending on the rocket model and pyrotechnic type.

Kinetic Energy:Qassam rockets travel at ~200–500 m/s with a mass of ~35–90 kg (including warhead), yielding kinetic energy of ~0.7–11 MJ, contributing to their destructive impact.Pyrotechnic rockets (e.g., parachute flares) have lower velocities (~50–100 m/s) and masses (~1–2 kg), with kinetic energy of ~0.002–0.02 MJ, insufficient for structural damage.

Ratio: Qassam rockets have 35–550 times more kinetic energy than pyrotechnic rockets.

Destructive Intent: Hamas rockets are designed to kill, injure, or destroy, with shrapnel enhancing lethality in urban areas like Rafah, where civilian casualties are a significant concern under the Geneefse Conventies.Pyrotechnics aim to signal or entertain, with no intent to cause harm. Their “power” is in visibility (e.g., 100,000 candela for a flare) rather than destruction.Practical Impact in Urban Warfare:In Rafah, Qassam rockets found near civilian infrastructure (e.g., schools, hospitals) pose a significant threat due to their explosive and shrapnel effects, potentially causing dozens of casualties per hit. Pyrotechnics, even if misused, lack the capacity to cause comparable damage. A flare might start a small fire, but it cannot demolish structures or cause widespread harm.

4. Context in Rafah and Geneefse Conventies: The presence of Hamas rocket storages in Rafah, as noted in your previous question, increases the risk of civilian casualties in urban warfare due to their destructive potential. The Geneefse Conventies (Article 51, Protocol I) prohibit indiscriminate attacks, and the use of unguided Qassam rockets in densely populated areas is considered a war crime by organizations like Amnesty International. Storing such weapons near civilian sites (e.g., UNRWA facilities) further violates the obligation to protect civilians, complicating the responsibilities of an occupying power to ensure safety and access to basic needs like food. Pyrotechnics, by contrast, pose no such legal or ethical issues in this context, as they are not weapons.

5. Conclusion: Hamas rockets, such as the Qassam series, are 20–250 times more powerful than pyrotechnics in terms of explosive yield and 35–550 times more powerful in kinetic energy, depending on the specific models compared. Their design as weapons with shrapnel and high explosives makes them far more destructive, capable of causing significant casualties and damage in urban settings like Rafah, unlike pyrotechnics, which are limited to signaling or entertainment with minimal destructive potential. This disparity underscores the severe implications of Hamas rockets in urban warfare and their violation of international humanitarian law, particularly when stored or used near civilian areas.If you want a more specific comparison (e.g., a particular Qassam model vs. a specific pyrotechnic device) or details on a related aspect (e.g., impact on Rafah’s civilian population), let me know!

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Op zaterdag 24 mei 2025 16:00 schreef Buitendam het volgende:

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Een poolhal. Een bioscoop én een kartbaan.

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Op zaterdag 24 mei 2025 15:28 schreef viagraap het volgende:

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En wat vind je van het bombardement op Rotterdam?

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Op zaterdag 24 mei 2025 16:03 schreef Lord-Ronddraai het volgende:

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Blijkbaar volledig terecht. Het Duitse leger was sterker en ze wilden Nederland veroveren. Dan is alles geoorloofd.

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Op zaterdag 24 mei 2025 15:53 schreef Buitendam het volgende:

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40k gebouwen in 2 maanden gecontroleerd tapijtbombardementen uitvoeren, maar meer dan dat is het niet.

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Op zaterdag 24 mei 2025 16:05 schreef sp3c het volgende:

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nee het bombardement was geoorloofd omdat de Duitse parachutisten in de stad (en verderop in Overschie) vernietigd werden door de Nederlanders

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Op zaterdag 24 mei 2025 16:12 schreef Lord-Ronddraai het volgende:

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Oh ja sorry mijn fout. Of misschien hadden we van de Oostenrijkers moeten leren hoe je een anschluss doet dan was die urban warfare in Rotterdam ook niet nodig geweest.

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Op zaterdag 24 mei 2025 16:01 schreef Richestorags het volgende:
Speciaal voor @:Buitendam

20-250 keer krachtiger en 35-550 keer meer kinetische energie. Ga je hier iets mee doen? Natuurlijk niet. Je weet nog steeds niet wat je stijlfouten inhouden en waar andere conflictsteden liggen, hoe die eruit zien en wat de slachtofferverhouding daar was.
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Op zaterdag 24 mei 2025 16:12 schreef Lord-Ronddraai het volgende:

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Oh ja sorry mijn fout. Of misschien hadden we van de Oostenrijkers moeten leren hoe je een anschluss doet dan was die urban warfare in Rotterdam ook niet nodig geweest.

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Op zaterdag 24 mei 2025 12:31 schreef Ronald-Koeman het volgende:

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Je weet dat Rusland precies ditzelfde argument gebruikt tegenover Oekraïne? Als Oekraïne de wapens neerlegt, grondgebied opgeeft en de overheid in Kyiv opstapt dan stopt de oorlog. We weten allemaal dat dat a. oneerlijk is en b. geen echte oplossing biedt. Waarom trap je er bij Israël dan wel in?

Stel dat de Palestijnen hierin mee zouden gaan... in hoeverre commiteert Israël zich dan aan een eerlijke en gelijkwaardige één- of tweestatenoplossing? Want dát is een oplossing en een waarlijk einde aan de ellende. Het antwoord weten we.... geen commitment van Israël hieromtrent. Israël blijft gebieden annexeren en de Palestijnen de facto onder de duim houden.

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Op zaterdag 24 mei 2025 16:14 schreef Buitendam het volgende:

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Ik vind het prima als je dingen wilt verzinnen om enigszins voor de dag te kunnen komen met kennis van zaken, maar dit is geen antwoord op hoe, wat en waar die fabrieken zijn in Gaza?

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Op zaterdag 24 mei 2025 16:13 schreef Richestorags het volgende:

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Je reageert nogal emotioneel. Sp3c post gewoon droge feiten zonder waardeoordeel. Je discussieert constant op een ander niveau.

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Op zaterdag 24 mei 2025 16:15 schreef sp3c het volgende:

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dit klinkt vast heel slim en vinnig in je hoofd maar vanuit mijn perspectief staat hier niets

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Op zaterdag 24 mei 2025 16:18 schreef Lord-Ronddraai het volgende:

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Ja zoals altijd snap je weer niet wat gebeurt. Ik maak een grapje, het is sarcastisch. Klopt inderdaad dat ik op een ander niveau discussier dan jij.

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Op zaterdag 24 mei 2025 16:17 schreef Richestorags het volgende:

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Staat onder andere in mijn "verzonnen" verhaal, wat je dus duidelijk niet hebt gelezen.

Verder, je begrijpt nu zelf wel waarom ik je niks verder ga geven.

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Op zaterdag 24 mei 2025 16:20 schreef Lord-Ronddraai het volgende:

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Vanuit mijn perspectief staat er in jouw posts meestal ook niets. Maar volgens mij denk jij daar ook weer anders over. Wat dat betreft lijken we allemaal een partij op elkaar hier blijkbaar.

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Op zaterdag 24 mei 2025 16:21 schreef Buitendam het volgende:

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Daar staat iets in over de plekken waar die fabrieken staan, wie ze controleert, hoeveel er al vernietigd zijn? Kun je quoten dan want ik lees er ernstig overheen.

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Op zaterdag 24 mei 2025 16:24 schreef Richestorags het volgende:

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Jij hebt nog géén één van mijn vragen beantwoord en doet niks met het feit dat mijn bewering over hoeveel krachtiger de explosieven zijn gewoon waar was, dus je kan lekker de ...... genieten

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Op zaterdag 24 mei 2025 16:32 schreef Buitendam het volgende:

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Snap ik. Pijnlijk flatertje wat je hier maakt, pik. Voortaan niet meer dingen verzinnen.

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Yes, recent reports indicate that weapon storages were found in Rafah by Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) during military operations. These discoveries were made in various locations, often in proximity to civilian infrastructure, which has raised concerns under international humanitarian law, including the Geneefse Conventies you mentioned earlier.

Below is a summary of relevant findings based on available information:
Weapons in Civilian Areas: The IDF reported locating weapon stockpiles approximately 80 meters from a building that previously served as a school and 100 meters from a former hospital in Rafah. These included arms caches hidden inside UNRWA-marked humanitarian aid bags, discovered on April 27, 2025, in the Tel al-Sultan area.

Underground Weapons Depot: On May 26, 2024, the Givati Brigade found an underground weapons depot during a raid on a building suspected of being a Hamas meeting point. The operation also involved neutralizing several gunmen.

Combat Complex Raids: On June 3, 2024, the Commando Brigade raided an "active combat complex" in Rafah, seizing dozens of mortars, rockets, RPGs, and other military equipment, while also locating tunnel shafts.

Other Discoveries: Additional reports from June and August 2024 describe the Nahal Brigade finding weapons, including RPGs, rocket launchers, AK-47s, and explosives, some hidden in residential buildings or UNRWA bags near schools.These findings suggest that weapon storages were present in Rafah, often embedded in civilian areas, which complicates the obligations of a bezettende macht under the Geneefse Conventies. Specifically, Article 55 requires ensuring food and medical supplies for civilians, but the presence of weapons in civilian zones can disrupt humanitarian efforts and increase risks to non-combatants. The IDF has claimed that Hamas uses civilian spaces for terrorist activities, which they argue justifies their operations, but this has been criticized for potentially violating international humanitarian law due to the impact on civilians.If you want to explore how these findings relate to the obligations of an occupying power or a specific incident in Rafah, let me know!

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Op zaterdag 24 mei 2025 15:53 schreef Fretwork het volgende:

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Ja nu is ie helemaal mooi. Wat fijn van Israël dat ze Palestina zo goed beschermen. Sinds 1948 is er stelselmatig op verschillende manieren extra land geclaimd. Soms via oorlog, soms via nederzettingen, soms via door het leger gesteunde kolonisatie.

Die nederzettingen zijn overigens zelfs volgens het Israëlische recht illegaal tot ze officieel toegevoegd worden aan de landsgrenzen. Op meerdere instanties ook via internationaal recht als illegaal beoordeeld.