[2025] Israël: Yuval Raphael - New Day Will Rise #2

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Op dinsdag 20 mei 2025 09:53 schreef Fred_B het volgende:
De Vlaamse krant Het Nieuwsblad sprak met mensen die op Israël hebben gestemd over hun beweegredenen:
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Ook bij Adolf (weet je wie er ook zo heette? - red.)

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Op dinsdag 20 mei 2025 10:40 schreef SEMTEX het volgende:

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Op dinsdag 20 mei 2025 10:46 schreef TheVulture het volgende:

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Die note van de redactie is echt? Want dat vind ik dan wel weer ver gaan voor een onafhankelijke journalist

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Op maandag 19 mei 2025 22:01 schreef blackswangreen het volgende:

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Daar zou je nu voor worden gelyncht en er zouden Kamervragen worden gesteld... kun je nagaan hoe de tijden veranderd zijn.

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Op dinsdag 20 mei 2025 10:21 schreef Dutchguy het volgende:

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Precies, dit gebeurde met Oekraine ook en toen kraaide er geen haan naar. Bovendien is het onthouden van stemmen door de jury ook een vorm van politiek.

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Op dinsdag 20 mei 2025 10:57 schreef Ann-Lynn het volgende:

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OMG dit kan ik me nog herinneren ja!! Er was ook wel wat gezeik over achteraf geloof ik. En die zaal dan!!! Iedereen zit op een stoeltje, geen props in de zaal, netjes in je avondkleding.... Ik word echt oud en sentimenteel.... Ik wil het liveorkest terug!

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Op dinsdag 20 mei 2025 10:21 schreef Dutchguy het volgende:

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Precies, dit gebeurde met Oekraine ook en toen kraaide er geen haan naar. Bovendien is het onthouden van stemmen door de jury ook een vorm van politiek.

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Op dinsdag 20 mei 2025 11:03 schreef Redefine het volgende:

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Toen kraaide bijna iedereen er naar. En veel mensen vonden het niks dat de winnaar toen al vast stond, waaronder ik. Verschil is wel dat Oekraïne minder omstreden is dus dat het iets beter werd geaccepteerd.

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Op dinsdag 20 mei 2025 11:02 schreef BillDauterive het volgende:

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Onzin. Drie jaar geleden was iedereen ontstemd over de manier waarop Oekraïne gewonnen had. Natuurlijk was het sentiment toen anders, omdat er minder pro-Russische geluiden waren, maar de fans vonden het jammer dat juist een politiek lied won.

Zou dat trouwens de reden zijn dat de Spaanse premier zich er nu mee bemoeit? Als Oekraïne in 2022 niet had meegedaan, dan had Spanje gewonnen...

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Op dinsdag 20 mei 2025 11:39 schreef OmniRocket het volgende:

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Groot Brittanië was toch tweede? Of zou door de verschuivingen Spanje daar ook nog 7 punten meer dan GB hebben gehaald?

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Op dinsdag 20 mei 2025 11:49 schreef BillDauterive het volgende:

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Ja, klopt, maar door die verschuivingen zou Spanje winnen.
Heeft iemand toevallig daar een goede uitleg van?

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Op dinsdag 20 mei 2025 11:17 schreef Fred_B het volgende:

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Toen dachten we ook dat een dergelijke uitkomst iets eenmaligs zou zijn.

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Despite the backlash against Israel's expulsion from Eurovision, it has been claimed that the reason for Israel's continued participation in the contest is the threat from Germany's First Television Channel ARD, which said, "If Israel is removed, we will also withdraw." According to a source at the European Broadcasting Union (EBU) of Dr. Martin Gak, a journalist in Germany, the reason for Israel's continued participation in the contest despite the backlash against Israel's expulsion from Eurovision due to the genocide in Gaza is the threat from Germany's First Television Channel ARD, which said, "If Israel is removed, we will also withdraw."


The failure of the calls for Israel's expulsion from Eurovision due to the genocide in Gaza and Israel's participation in the contest have raised questions about the attitude towards Israel in international institutions.

Dr. Gak, who has been a journalist in Germany for many years, claimed that Germany played an active role in Israel's exclusion from Eurovision, and evaluated the organization's decision to exclude Israel from the contest despite Russia's exclusion from the contest to an AA correspondent.

"OPPOSITION COMPETITOR WAS ASSASSINATED IN HIS REPUTATION"

Gak claimed that the demands for Israel to be removed from Eurovision were blocked by Germany in particular, and said, "Germany is a strong part of the EBU. While various broadcasting organizations sat at the table to demand Israel's removal, the Germans said that they would also withdraw if Israel's participation was suspended."

Gak, who reported that a source within the EBU, the organizer of Eurovision, provided this information, said, "If you look at the relationship of the German governments with Israel, their attitude makes this claim credible."

Gak explained that Dutch contestant Joost Klein was disqualified from the 2024 Eurovision contest shortly after criticizing Israel, and said, "The Dutch contestant, who was shown as the favorite for Eurovision, criticized Israel while sitting next to the Israeli contestant at the press conference and made it clear that he was against Israelis being in the contest."

"A few days later, out of the blue, a rumor started circulating that Klein had harassed or bullied a female team member backstage, and the EBU announced that it was investigating the incident," Gak said, adding that the Israelis blamed Klein and the EBU disqualified the Dutch contestant from the finals without waiting for the investigation to be completed.

Gak stated that the Dutch contestant was being disqualified because he criticized Israel's participation in Eurovision.

RUSSIA WAS REMOVED, ISRAEL WAS NOT

Gak, reminding that Russia was removed from Eurovision after its invasion of Ukraine in 2022, said, "When Eurovision organizers announced that they were suspending Russia's participation, they stated that Russia's participation would 'damage the reputation of the contest'. It was not a humanitarian concern, but a concern for the reputation of Eurovision."

"Two years later, in 2024, Israel is destroying Gaza and killing civilians in masses. Among them are journalists, thousands of children and women," said Gak, also criticizing Israel's failure to be removed from the contest despite the destruction of civilian infrastructure, cultural institutions and universities.

Gak emphasized that Israel's actions contradict the values of European broadcasters, saying, "Israel's actions are completely inconsistent not only with the moral intuition that should guide European broadcasters, but also with political commitments, law and human rights. Allowing the Israeli flag to be paraded on stage directly risks the reputation of the EBU and Eurovision."

Recalling that Russia was expelled in 2022 due to reputational concerns, Gak said, "If the Russians were expelled from the contest due to reputational concerns, the Israelis have committed much more egregious acts that no sensible person would want to be associated with. Now there is a very strange silence again."

Gak emphasized that Israel's aim in participating in the contest is to reach the young generation called the "TikTok" generation, and said, "Israel's aim in Eurovision is completely political. Allowing Israel to be on the Eurovision stage, allowing it to reach the final means success for Israel's public image."

THE REASON FOR GERMANY'S SUPPORT

Gak, who stated that Germany's attitude is usually explained with "German guilt", said, "After living here for 15 years, I have a slightly different psychological explanation. The Israelis basically provide the Germans with a certificate of moral and spiritual salvation after World War II."

Gak stated that the German-Israeli relationship is based on mutual interests, and said, "The Germans benefit greatly from the relationship with Israel. They sell to Israel, buy from Israel, give Israel weapons, and exchange intelligence tools. There is a really close relationship."

Criticizing Germany's historical stance on human rights and its Israeli policy that contradicts it, Gak made the following assessment:

"Historically, Germany has been a country that has supported Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International, has been a stronghold for international law and international organizations, has been a party to the International Criminal Court, and has defended the aid efforts of the United Nations, Oxfam, and Save the Children. They walk around with the logo of Doctors Without Borders. European and German publishers love to talk about freedom of the press. However, the German political system's contradiction with all these institutions I have mentioned and its siding with far-right groups in Israel goes far beyond feelings of guilt and loyalty to Israel. Even left-wing Germans are trying to defend (Binyamin) Netanyahu in some way."

Gak concluded:

"For 19 months now we have been seeing the killing of children on our mobile phones. It is something that is not foreign to the German political class. When a broadcaster features a bright and galaly-dressed Israeli walking around with an Israeli flag, it basically says that he does not care much about the emotions or moral intuition of his people watching children being killed in Gaza."

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Op dinsdag 20 mei 2025 13:03 schreef Greys het volgende:
Draadje!
De draad is langer dan deze twee tweets.

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Op dinsdag 20 mei 2025 13:12 schreef Zigsky het volgende:

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Jammer, ik ben geïnteresseerd, maar heb geen twitter meer .

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Op dinsdag 20 mei 2025 13:17 schreef Greys het volgende:

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Het gaat voornamelijk over het artikel dat in die bovenste tweet staat. Die kan je als het goed is via hier openen en dan vertaalt je telefoon hem meestal automatisch.

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Equally striking is the EBU's interpretation of point 8 for Eurovision 2025. The union itself defines the festival as "a public service media entertainment programme that appeals to all audiences" and states that "it is important to ensure that the shows remain attractive to a wide audience, in primetime and of all ages. The EBU and its governing bodies will continue to review the event's format to appeal to an even wider audience and be as inclusive as possible ." The EBU's threat to RTVE , after it reported the death toll in Gaza and called for peace in the second semi-final, does not seem to be very aligned with this desire for "public service." Nor does banning artists from carrying other flags, as Nemo did the previous year when he displayed the non-binary flag, seem to favor this desire to attract a wider audience by "being as inclusive as possible."

It is logical, but also striking, that in the last key area of ​​development, concern is expressed about "Financial Sustainability." In point 9, the EBU advances that "experts will review how to reduce costs and how to increase revenue," demonstrating its economic ambition, which has Moroccanoil , an Israeli cosmetics company that pacifist civil groups accuse of manufacturing its products in Palestinian territories occupied by Israel and which has strong ties to the government of the Hebrew state, as its major contributor as the main sponsor of Eurovision . This point links to the second, in which the EBU determines that "decisions regarding the organization and execution of the Eurovision Song Contest are based on rules, protocols, and contracts ," specifying "contracts" and elevating it to the highest importance over decisions of the Union.

In short, although the EBU announced various measures to supposedly implement this "roadmap" for this year's Eurovision Song Contest 2025, the truth is that virtually all of the "key areas of development" indicated by the organization have been implemented in a manner contrary to what was intended. The other possibility is that Israel's economic importance to the contest , the EBU's last major concern in its document, has taken priority over compliance with its own rules...

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Op dinsdag 20 mei 2025 13:18 schreef Zigsky het volgende:

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Oh, ok, dan lees ik dat .

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Op dinsdag 20 mei 2025 13:23 schreef Greys het volgende:

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En hier een van de brieven die de EBU vorig jaar stuurde aan de Israëlische omroep over de regels die gebroken werden, uit dat artikel.

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