Oorlog in Oekraïne #913 ¤¤¤¤ Dronaties.

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Op zaterdag 30 december 2023 23:32 schreef Discombobulate het volgende:

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Rusland gaat hier gewoon oneindig mee door zodat Oekraïne niet bij de NAVO kan tenzij ze akkoord gaan met een neutrale status.

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Op zaterdag 30 december 2023 23:32 schreef Discombobulate het volgende:

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Rusland gaat hier gewoon oneindig mee door zodat Oekraïne niet bij de NAVO kan tenzij ze akkoord gaan met een neutrale status.

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Op zondag 31 december 2023 00:39 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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Je kan gewoon van Ukraine een NATO land maken. Dat gelul dat het niet kan vanwege een conflict is alleen maar een afspraak, geen fysieke beperking.

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Op zondag 31 december 2023 00:41 schreef oheng het volgende:

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Regels zijn regels.

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En rusland misbruikt deze regels al sinds 1991, zie de oorlog met Moldavië.

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Op zondag 31 december 2023 00:28 schreef Tocadisco het volgende:

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En wat voor neutrale status gaat dat dan precies worden? Eentje zoals de Zwitsers of de Ieren waar ze wel nog hun eigen keuzes mogen maken of een 'neutrale' status die er de facto op neerkomt dat ze een vazalstaat van Rusland zijn?

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Op zondag 31 december 2023 00:43 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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Hij maakt misbruik van de regels om Ukraine uit de NATO te houden. Je kan het je niet veroorloven om Putin zijn zin daarin te geven.

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Op zondag 31 december 2023 00:43 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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Maak dat Putin wijs. Als hij de regels overboord kan gooien, kunnen wij dat ook.
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Hij maakt misbruik van de regels om Ukraine uit de NATO te houden. Je kan het je niet veroorloven om Putin zijn zin daarin te geven.

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Op zondag 31 december 2023 00:51 schreef Discombobulate het volgende:

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Stel dat Oekraine toegeeft bij de onderhandelingen, en dat er zwart of wit een akkoord is tussen Oekraïne en Rusland, wie zijn wij dan om ons daar mee te bemoeien? Dat is dan een gevolg van hun oorlog. Heeft niets te maken met dat wij Poetin z'n zin geven.

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Op zondag 31 december 2023 00:39 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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Je kan gewoon van Ukraine een NATO land maken. Dat gelul dat het niet kan vanwege een conflict is alleen maar een afspraak, geen fysieke beperking.

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Op zondag 31 december 2023 00:51 schreef Discombobulate het volgende:

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Stel dat Oekraine toegeeft bij de onderhandelingen, en dat er zwart of wit een akkoord is tussen Oekraïne en Rusland, wie zijn wij dan om ons daar mee te bemoeien? Dat is dan een gevolg van hun oorlog. Heeft niets te maken met dat wij Poetin z'n zin geven.

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Op zondag 31 december 2023 01:17 schreef michaelmoore het volgende:

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op het zelfde moment is de NATO in oorlog vanwege de regel one for all all for one

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Op zondag 31 december 2023 02:39 schreef oheng het volgende:
De russische overheid verklaarde dat het gemiddelde salaris 70.000 (700 euro p/m) is.
Het inkomen van pensionarissen is echter gemiddeld 200 euro (20.000 roebel) per maand.
De prijzen voor levensmiddelen zijn inmiddels bijna gelijk met die hier in NL.
Dit is wat inwoners van Rostov vinden van het gemiddelde salaris.

Russians react to direct line with Putin

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Op zondag 31 december 2023 02:58 schreef Jaroon het volgende:

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Laat me raden. Zij kennen dat soort bedragen aan inkomen niet. Naast hoge prijzen.

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Statement by Mr. NAGANO Shunsuke, Counsellor, Permanent Mission of Japan to the United Nations, at the Arria-formula meeting on Ukraine
Mr. Chair,

It is quite eye-opening to learn about a history of “Maidan” from the Russian point of view. At the same time, for most of us here and the world, it is quite obvious that this is another attempt to defame and criticize Ukraine and the West, thereby distracting world’s attention from what is going on right now in Ukrainian territories – disastrous humanitarian situation due to Russia’s aggression – as well as justifying the brutal aggression against a sovereign state. We arefed up with Russia calling so many Security Council meetings including Arria-formula meetings to this end. Do we, the Council Members and UN Member States, really deserve this? Despite all the efforts by Russia, no reasonable person would believe its narrative. Such misuse of the prerogative of a Council member would rather be self destructive, further damaging its reputation. It is sad for everybody.

The concept note of this event emphasizes the importance of a truthful account of events and avoiding misinterpretation.

There is no room for misinterpretation for one thing. As the overwhelming majority of the General Assembly have recognized, the fact is that this heinous war of aggression was started by Russia. And Ukraine is fighting against it in accordance with the UN Charter to protect its own people, independence, sovereignty, and territorial integrity. The sole cause of the current suffering of the Ukrainian people, especially in winter, is Russia's aggression, which is a flagrant violation of the UN Charter. Nothing more, nothing less.

It has also withdrawn from the Black Sea Grain Initiative and destroyed port facilities to deliver food abroad, affecting not only Ukraine but the entire world.

Mr. Chair,

We once again urge the Russian Federation not to squander our precious time and resources for your political purposes. Russia should direct its diplomatic energy toward correcting its own violation of the UN Charter.

We remain steadfast in upholding and strengthening the free and open international order based on the rule of law, respecting the UN Charter. There must be no impunity for war crimes and other atrocities. Justice must be done, and those who are responsible for the undeniable atrocities must be held accountable.

Last but not least, our commitment to supporting Ukraine will never waver. We have been with Ukraine, and will stand by Ukraine for as long as it takes.

I thank you.

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Explosions and fires reported in centre of Belgorod due to mistake of Russian air defence
Explosions were heard in Belgorod, Russia, on 30 December, and wreckage fell in the city centre after the work of Russian air defence.

Source: source of Ukrainska Pravda in security services

Details: It is noted that the Ukrainian Defence Forces struck Russian military facilities in Belgorod Oblast, but unprofessional actions of Russian air defence caused wreckage to fall in the city centre.

According to the Russians, 10 fires broke out in the city after the explosions. An air-raid warning was issued and people were urged to find shelter.

Quote: "Joint activities of the Defence Forces continue as a response to the Russian missile attack on Ukrainian cities and the killing of civilians.

The Ukrainian Defence Forces are working on a number of targets, specifically military facilities.

The destruction of civilian infrastructure that we are seeing in Belgorod is the result of unprofessional actions by Russian air defence, as well as deliberate and planned provocations."

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Poland launches ground search after Russian cruise missile breaches airspace
Dec. 30 (UPI) -- Nearly 500 Polish troops were dispatched on Saturday to the eastern Lublin region to search for a Russian cruise missile that penetrated Polish airspace amid a massive barrage fired at Ukraine.

The military launched the search mission to "make sure no remains of the object have remained in Poland," later confirming nothing was found "that could threaten the safety of the inhabitants of the Lublin region," the Polish Army said in a statement.

Poland's Deputy Foreign Minister Władysław Teofil Bartoszewski said he contacted the chief diplomat of the Russian Federation, Andrei Ordash, on Friday to "request an explanation of the incident of violating Poland's airspace by a cruise missile."

Moscow denied responsibility, citing the lack of "concrete evidence" that it was a Russian missile violated Polish airspace.

Ordash dismissed the claim as "groundless" while pointing to a similar incident in late 2022, when a missile that was believed to be fired by Russia hit a Polish village, but months later Polish investigators concluded the errant strike was actually launched from Ukraine.

The Polish foreign ministry warned Moscow to "immediately cease this kind of activity" or Poland would respond "fast and effectively" to deter any further missile fire.

Following the incident, Polish President Andrzej Duda and Prime Minister Donald Tusk held an emergency meeting with military chiefs and top national security officials in Warsaw.

The missile flew into Polish airspace early Friday morning "from the direction of the Ukraine border," according to a statement from the General Staff of the Polish Armed Forces.

The incident happened as Russia carried out its largest attack on Ukraine since the war began nearly two years ago, firing 158 missiles into the country, with Ukraine managing to intercept 114 of them.

The strikes damaged residential buildings and civilian infrastructure in several major cities, including Kyiv, Kharkiv, Odesa, Zaporizhzhya Dnipro, Cherkasy, Sumy, and Lviv, which borders Poland.

The Russian cruise missile that reached Poland's airspace flew for about three minutes and its radar signal faded before the military had the chance to shoot it down.

The country's air defenses were placed on high alert during the episode while several F-16 fighter jets scrambled to the region as a precaution, the military said.

U.S. national security advisor Jake Sullivan said President Joe Biden was aware of the situation, and he expressed support for Poland, saying the administration would provide "technical assistance as needed" to its NATO ally.

NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg also discussed the incursion with Duda to reassure the Polish president the Western military alliance was ready to respond if necessary.

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Op zondag 31 december 2023 00:54 schreef Delenlill het volgende:

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Er zijn al meerdere akkoorden zwart op wit tussen Rusland en Oekraïne geweest. En elke keer is het Rusland die er schijt aan heeft. Rusland valt dus niet te vertrouwen. Deze oorlog is daar een voorbeeld van.