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Formal start of final phase of Afghan pullout by US, NATO

KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — The final phase of ending America’s “forever war” in Afghanistan after 20 years formally began Saturday, with the withdrawal of the last U.S. and NATO troops by the end of summer.

President Joe Biden had set May 1 as the official start of the withdrawal of the remaining forces — about 2,500-3,500 U.S. troops and about 7,000 NATO soldiers.

Even before Saturday, the herculean task of packing up had begun.

The military has been taking inventory, deciding what is shipped back to the U.S., what is handed to the Afghan security forces and what is sold as junk in Afghanistan’s markets. In recent weeks, the military has been flying out equipment on massive C-17 cargo planes.

The U.S. is estimated to have spent more than $2 trillion in Afghanistan in the past two decades, according to the Costs of War project at Brown University, which documents the hidden costs of the U.S. military engagement.

Defense department officials and diplomats told The Associated Press the withdrawal has involved closing smaller bases over the last year. They said that since Biden announced the end-of-summer withdrawal date in mid-April, only roughly 60 military personnel had left the country.

The U.S. and its NATO allies went into Afghanistan together on Oct. 7, 2001 to hunt the al-Qaida perpetrators of the 9/11 terrorist attacks who lived under the protection of the country’s Taliban rulers. Two months later, the Taliban had been defeated and al-Qaida fighters and their leader, Osama bin Laden, were on the run.

In his withdrawal announcement last month, Biden said the initial mission was accomplished a decade ago when U.S. Navy SEALS killed bin Laden in his hideout in neighboring Pakistan. Since then, al-Qaida has been degraded, while the terrorist threat has “metastasized” into a global phenomenon that is not contained by keeping thousands of troops in one country, he said.

Until now the U.S. and NATO have received no promises from the Taliban that they won’t attack troops during the pullout. In a response to AP questions, Taliban spokesman Suhail Shaheen said the Taliban leadership was still mulling over its strategy.

The insurgent group continues to accuse Washington of breaching the deal it signed with Biden’s predecessor more than a year ago. In that agreement, the U.S. said it would have all troops out by May 1.

In a statement Saturday, Taliban military spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid said the passing of the May 1 deadline for a complete withdrawal “opened the way for (Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan) mujahidin to take every counteraction it deems appropriate against the occupying forces.”

However, he said fighters on the battlefield will wait for a decision from the leadership before launching any attacks and that decision will be based on “the sovereignty, values and higher interests of the country.”

Violence has spiked in Afghanistan since the February 2020 deal was signed. Peace talks between the Taliban and Afghan government, which were part of the agreement, quickly bogged down. On Friday, a truck bomb in eastern Logar province killed 21 people, many of them police and students.

Afghans have paid the highest price since 2001, with 47,245 civilians killed, according to the Costs of War project. Millions more have been displaced inside Afghanistan or have fled to Pakistan, Iran and Europe.

Afghanistan’s security forces are expected to come under increasing pressure from the Taliban after the withdrawal if no peace agreement is reached in the interim, according to Afghan watchers.

Since the start of the war they have taken heavy losses, with estimates ranging from 66,000 to 69,000 Afghan troops killed. The Afghan military has been battered by corruption. The U.S. and NATO pay $4 billion a year to sustain the force.

Some 300,000 Afghan troops are on the books, although the actual number is believed to be lower. Commanders have been found to inflate the numbers to collect paychecks of so-called “ghost soldiers,” according to the U.S. watchdog monitoring Washington’s spending in Afghanistan.

Last year was the only year U.S. and NATO troops did not suffer a loss. The Defense Department says 2,442 U.S. troops have been killed and 20,666 wounded since 2001. It is estimated that over 3,800 U.S. private security contractors have been killed. The Pentagon does not track their deaths.

The conflict also has killed 1,144 personnel from NATO countries.

The Taliban, meanwhile, are at their strongest since being ousted in 2001. While mapping their gains and territorial holds is difficult, they are believed to hold sway or outright control over nearly half of Afghanistan.

“We are telling the departing Americans ... you fought a meaningless war and paid a cost for that and we also offered huge sacrifices for our liberation,” Shaheen told the AP on Friday.

Striking a more conciliatory tone, he added: “If you ... open a new chapter of helping Afghans in reconstruction and rehabilitation of the country, the Afghans will appreciate that.”

In announcing the departure, Biden said waiting for ideal conditions to leave would consign America to an indefinite stay.

In the Afghan capital and throughout the country, there is a growing fear that chaos will follow the departure of the last foreign troops. After billions of dollars and decades of war, many Afghans wonder at whether it was worth it.
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Op woensdag 9 november 2016 06:02 schreef Anonymousz het volgende:
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Steeds meer bewijs dat die drone aanval van de VS idd op onschuldige kinderen en een vader was.

Bizar eigenlijk. Als dat in de VS zelf was gebeurd kun je dan je indenken hoeveel rechtszaken en schadevergoedingen er zouden volgen.
Opgeblazen gevoel of winderigheid? Zo opgelost met Rennie!
  zondag 12 september 2021 @ 02:14:43 #3
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‘They will kill you’: a future leader of Afghanistan on the price he paid for freedom
Mohammad Zaman Khadimi was forced to make an impossible choice as he fled the Taliban for sanctuary in Australia

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There are thousands like him, Afghanistan's best and brightest, future leaders and forces for freedom, who have been forced to flee. Many of the educated people have fled the country because of the Taliban.

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  Manager PR / Moderator zondag 12 september 2021 @ 02:47:23 #4
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Steeds meer bewijs dat die drone aanval van de VS idd op onschuldige kinderen en een vader was.

Bizar eigenlijk. Als dat in de VS zelf was gebeurd kun je dan je indenken hoeveel rechtszaken en schadevergoedingen er zouden volgen.
De VS zal wel een "condolence payment" aanbieden, zoals toen de coalitie in Irak twee woningen van onschuldige mensen aanzag voor een IS hoofdkwartier. Basim Razzo verloor daarbij zijn vrouw, dochter, broer en neef, zijn huis en hij kan sindsdien niet meer lopen door zijn verwondingen.

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Basim did not know how much money the Americans would offer, but he had spent hours calculating the actual damages: $500,000 for his and Mohannad’s homes, furnishings and belongings; $22,000 for two cars; and $13,000 in medical bills from Turkey.
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“We just wanted to start by expressing our deepest sympathies, not only on behalf of the Army but on behalf of myself,” she said. “We do take the closest care in what we do here, but it’s high risk, and sometimes we make mistakes. We try our best to prevent those mistakes, but we hope that since we did make a mistake here, we can do everything that we can to right it, as best we can. I know there’s nothing that I can say that can make up for the loss that you’ve — ”

“The only thing that cannot be returned is the loss of life,” Basim said. His hands gripped the armrests, as if he were using every ounce of energy to stay seated. He struggled to keep his voice steady. “Everything else could be redone or rebuilt. The loss of life is unrepairable.”

“Certainly. We are prepared to offer you a condolence payment,” Feeney replied. “It’s not meant to recompensate you for what you’ve lost, or for rebuilding or anything like that. It’s just meant to be an expression of our sympathy, our apologies for your loss.”

Outside, a plane lifted off, and the room trembled. Feeney was holding documents in her hand. “And so for that reason, we are capped in the amount that we can give you. So the amount in U.S. dollars is $15,000, which we will be paying you in Iraqi dinars, so 17,550,000 dinars.
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Lang verhaal, maar de moeite waard: https://www.nytimes.com/i(...)iraq-airstrikes.html

Hij heeft dit bedrag niet aangenomen overigens. Toen later bleek dat het bombardement door Nederlandse militairen uitgevoerd was, is er een fatsoenlijke schadevergoeding gekomen van circa 1 miljoen euro:

https://www.theguardian.c(...)en-coalition-bombing
  zondag 12 september 2021 @ 02:48:53 #5
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  zondag 12 september 2021 @ 16:11:43 #6
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Stel je voor dat de VS na zo'n dronestrike probeert de hearts and minds te winnen van de mensen in dat dorp. Gaat nooit meer gebeuren.

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  zondag 12 september 2021 @ 16:47:13 #7
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Dat laatste plaatje... Je hoeft alleen het voorste en achterste voertuig kapot te knallen en de rest zit in de val en kan op je gemak veilig van boven kapot geschoten worden. En al die tanks daar heb je niets aan want ze kunnen niet naar boven schieten.

Pakistan heeft deze puzzel opgelost met drones die op hun beurt weer de aanvallers van boven afschieten.
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Doet me denken aan dit:

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Dat laatste plaatje... Je hoeft alleen het voorste en achterste voertuig kapot te knallen en de rest zit in de val en kan op je gemak veilig van boven kapot geschoten worden. En al die tanks daar heb je niets aan want ze kunnen niet naar boven schieten.

Pakistan heeft deze puzzel opgelost met drones die op hun beurt weer de aanvallers van boven afschieten.
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En die Russische helikopters konden niet van boven naar beneden schieten?
  zondag 12 september 2021 @ 18:22:09 #11
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En die Russische helikopters konden niet van boven naar beneden schieten?
Die moesten relatief dichtbij vliegen (paar honderd meter tot een km) om nuttig te zijn en er zijn destijds veel neergehaald door Amerikaanse Stingers (max range 8km)

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  zondag 12 september 2021 @ 19:02:33 #12
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Die moesten relatief dichtbij vliegen (paar honderd meter tot een km) om nuttig te zijn en er zijn destijds veel neergehaald door Amerikaanse Stingers (max range 8km)
Het is de Amerikanen met al hun drones, vliegtuigen en technologie ook niet gelukt om de Taliban te slaan. Als mensen echt gemotiveerd zijn en het landschap voor zich kunnen laten werken, is het lastig.

Ik geef het verzet dus wel een kans. Het belangrijkste is wel dat ze steun van buitenaf krijgen.
  zondag 12 september 2021 @ 20:52:56 #14
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Wat is een JCO en een OR?

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Junior Commissioned Officer (JCO) is a term used for a group of military personnel which is higher than havildars and lower than lieutenants; this term is only used by Bangladesh, India and Pakistan. Senior havildars are promoted to JCO rank on the basis of merit and seniority, restricted by the number of vacancies.
  zondag 12 september 2021 @ 20:56:01 #16
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Het is de Amerikanen met al hun drones, vliegtuigen en technologie ook niet gelukt om de Taliban te slaan. Als mensen echt gemotiveerd zijn en het landschap voor zich kunnen laten werken, is het lastig.

Ik geef het verzet dus wel een kans. Het belangrijkste is wel dat ze steun van buitenaf krijgen.
Zou me niets verbazen als die steun er al is maar dat dat niet aan de grote klok wordt gehangen vanwege wraakacties op de nog duizenden gijzelaars die nog in Afghanistan aanwezig zijn.

De Taliban en Pakistan zitten nu in Panjshir geconcentreerd ipv zich te verstoppen onder de bevolking of in de bergen. Dit is een gouden kans voor de VS, UK en misschien India en Tajikistan om ze te grazen te nemen. Maar dan wel vermomd als Panjshir verzetsstrijders ipv duidelijk herkenbare US Navy Seals en Britse SAS/SBS. Al die Afghaanse commando's die in veiligheid zijn gebracht met hun familie staan denk ik ook wel te trappelen om terug te keren.

En er zijn dus Taliban strijders uit diverse provincies van Afghanistan naar Panjshir gestuurd. Hoe langer je die lui daar bezig houdt hoe makkelijker je reddingsacties in de rest van het land zijn omdat controleposten en grenzen minder mankracht hebben om vluchtelingen tegen te houden.

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  zondag 12 september 2021 @ 21:10:43 #17
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Tweets van Pakistanen over hun klasgenoten die gestorven zijn in Panjshir.
Die Pakistaanse doden krijgen een gezicht...
Edit: sommige hieronder zijn fake en van films
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  Manager PR / Moderator zondag 12 september 2021 @ 21:29:29 #18
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Tweets van Pakistanen over hun klasgenoten die gestorven zijn in Panjshir.
Die Pakistaanse doden krijgen een gezicht...
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Pas wel op voor fake news, minstens ιιn van deze mannen is vorig jaar ook al een keer zogenaamd doodgegaan (het schijnt een acteur te zijn). :')

https://www.reddit.com/r/(...)_first_one_just_now/
  zondag 12 september 2021 @ 21:35:19 #19
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Pas wel op voor fake news, minstens ιιn van deze mannen is vorig jaar ook al een keer zogenaamd doodgegaan (het schijnt een acteur te zijn). :')

https://www.reddit.com/r/(...)_first_one_just_now/
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  zondag 12 september 2021 @ 21:38:07 #20
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  zondag 12 september 2021 @ 21:39:50 #21
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https://www.dawn.com/news(...)presence-in-panjshir
Ex-Indian army officer shares picture from movie set as 'truth' about Pakistan Army's presence in Panjshir


A retired Indian army officer became the butt of a joke on Twitter after he mistook a photo from a Pakistani military-themed film as showing Pakistani soldiers who he falsely claimed were martyred in Afghanistan's Panjshir valley.

The apparent confusion started after another former Indian army officer, Maj Gen GD Bakshi, posted a tweet claiming that the Pakistan Army had "suffered very heavy casualties" in Panjshir, where the Taliban and resistance fighters engaged in heavy fighting earlier this month.

Without sharing any evidence, Bakhsi tweeted that dozens of Pakistani soldiers had lost their lives and many others were wounded while supporting the Taliban in Panjshir. He wrote that a certain "Maj Gen Adil Rehmani has come back to organise discreet funerals in [the] dead of night." Even though the account is not verified by Twitter, Bakshi's tweets have been carried by Indian media on multiple occasions in the past.

Bakshi, who had a long career in the Indian army and holds a PhD in military history, is known for peddling fake news and rhetoric on Indian TV. An article by Indian publication The Print last year referred to him as the "shrillest warmonger in the media".

Responding to his latest claims about Pakistani soldiers, a Pakistani account with the handle @Fauji_Doctor shared a picture from the set of the 2017 Pakistani movie *Yalghaar* -- ostensibly to poke fun at the Indian ex-officer, and wrote: "My class fellow from school days Maj Aijaj 2nd from left and Capt Jufar 1st from left embraced martyrdom in Panjshir. They were buried yesterday in Peshawar. ISPR is trying to hide these casualties. They fought bravely and should be honoured as such. This is injustice by Pak Army."

In fact, the two uniformed men he referred to are renowned Pakistani actors Shaan Shahid and Umair Jaswal - neither of whom are members of the armed forces.

Unaware of this and apparently without having done any investigation, former Indian Maj Gen Harsha Kakar shared a screenshot of @Fauji_Doctor's reply to Bakshi as "the truth on #PanjshirValley and Pak casualties".

"As expected [National Security Adviser Moeed Yusuf] lied and Pak disowned its dead," he alleged.

Pakistanis were amused by the Indian ex-officer's apparent naivete, with Shaan himself reply to Bakshi's original tweet with posters from Yalghaar. "Hello from the other side," he wrote with the pictures.


Jaswal too found the mix-up hilarious, responding to Bakshi with a picture of him in commando gear and writing: "Hello dear [laughing emoji] from Pakistan."

Jumping at the opportunity, other Pakistani users also shared spoof images of Pakistani actors in uniform to add to the joke.

Fake news about Pakistan's military involvement in Afghanistan surfaced as the Taliban said on Monday they had taken control of Panjshir province north of Kabul, the last holdout of anti-Taliban forces in the country and the only province the Taliban had not seized during their blitz across the country last month.

The anti-Taliban forces had been led by the former vice president, Amrullah Saleh, and Ahmad Massoud, whose father was killed just days before the 9/11 terrorist attacks in the US.

With Taliban fighters advancing into Panjshir, Indian media outlets during the previous week ran unverified claims of Pakistan Air Force planes hovering over Panjshir valley and dropping bombs on resistance fighters in support of the Taliban.

At least two Indian TV channels shared footage that they claimed showed Pakistani drones attacking anti-Taliban fighters in Panjshir. But fact-check website Boom found that the viral clip was taken from a longer video recording of the video game Arma-3, and was not from the military conflict in Afghanistan.

Some Twitter users also shared a picture of a fighter jet claiming it showed a PAF plane that was shot down by resistance fighters in Panjshir, but a fact check by Dawn.com and independent journalists showed the picture is actually from 2018 in the United States.
  zondag 12 september 2021 @ 21:45:02 #22
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India die hulpgoederen dropt aan het verzet?
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Als dit echt is, krijgt die piloot het heel slecht.
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Denk dat het meer is om te voorkomen dat ze nieuws uit Panjshir naar buiten brengen/het verzet van informatie voorzien via sociale media. Ik denk dit, omdat ik in vele filmpjes de Taliban zelf zie met smartphones. Buiten Panjshir zijn er geen berichten dat ze smartphones afpakken en het kapot slaan omdat het "joodse en christelijke werktuigen zijn om de jongeren te misleiden van de islam". Het lijkt me dus waarschijnlijker dat het de zoveelste propaganda is.
  Manager PR / Moderator zondag 12 september 2021 @ 22:01:16 #25
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Denk dat het meer is om te voorkomen dat ze nieuws uit Panjshir naar buiten brengen/het verzet van informatie voorzien via sociale media.
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