[Britse politiek] #116: Don't mention the border!

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Op dinsdag 29 september 2020 11:49 schreef Tijger_m het volgende:

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Dat is al geruimte tijd de stand van zaken, het probleem met het VK is dat die 38% je gewoon een absolute meerderheid kan opleveren bij een algemene verkiezing en dat dus ook deed.

Ook het VK word geregeerd door een minderheid.

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Op dinsdag 29 september 2020 11:54 schreef Tijger_m het volgende:

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Eerder andersom, denk ik. Brexit is veroorzaakt door de slachtoffer rol en een terugverlangen naar een verleden wat nooit bestaan heeft. Brexit is gewoon een uitlaatklep geworden voor alle onvrede en onzekerheid en een terugverlangen naar een vergane wereldorde.

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Op dinsdag 29 september 2020 11:59 schreef Perrin het volgende:

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Yup. Een mix van afkeer van migranten en de EU, verlangen naar het glorieuze verleden, hoop op meer koopkracht.

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Brexit Trade Talks:
UK: We don't like our deal
EU: Why not?
UK: We only get 95% of what we want
EU: It only gives us 95% too. That's how negotiating goes
UK: We want a new deal that gives us everything we can think of
EU: But you signed a deal
UK: Don't care, we hate you
EU: Bit rude
UK: We elected people to go to your meetings specifically to say we hate you
EU: And how is Nigel?
UK: Not happy?
EU: Why not?
UK: TV has dried up. So we want a new deal, and we want the deal in 3 weeks, or we cancel our existing deal
EU: Wait, what?
UK: You heard. Give us 100% of what we want in 3 weeks, or we break the law and walk away with 0% of what we want
EU: Er suits us!
UK: Wait, what?
EU: Perfect. Do it. Walk away. Take Nigel with you.
UK: No, hold on, wait: you have to negotiate, so Boris can win
EU: Why? Right now you have 95% of perfect, and we have 95% of perfect. If we renegotiate, you get more but we get less
UK: That's right
EU: But if we don't negotiate, we still have our 95%
UK: Woah, hold on
EU: And you have nothing
UK: But Dom didn't superpredict you'd say that!
EU: And if we don't have a deal, we don't have to put up with you **** on our lawn
UK: The Daily Mail made us do it and then ran away!
EU: I just found this spine. Is it yours?
UK: Welp!
EU: So we'll just sit this one out
UK: Fine, we'll go and make a great deal with the US
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US: Yo suckers
UK: We are here to get a lovely big trade deal
US: Sure thing. Obey existing deals, and give us 100% of everything, plus 51% controlling share in the NHS, and you get, let's see, 60% of what you have now
UK: Not good enough, we have a Special Relationship
US: Bye
UK: What?
US: Bye. Talks are over, the Special Relationship is over, your country is over. Bye
UK: But we haven't got a deal, and we told everyone it would be easy!
US: It is easy: we are 26% of world trade, making deals with EU (20%) and China (17%). We don't need your 1.8%. No deal: easy
UK: But we really need a deal, the EU outsmarted us
US: We know. Some of us can read. Not Trump, obviously, but the rest of us. Try India
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UK: Hi India, remember us?
India: Oh ****, these guys again
UK: We want a trade deal
India: And we want to vastly increase the number of Indians who can live in the UK
UK: We can't do that. Turns out we're, like, properly racist
India: That is brand new information!!
UK: So can we have a deal?
India: Sure, fine. Join the queue
UK: Who's in front of us in the queue?
India: EU, USA, China, Brazil, Korea, Canada, Australia basically everybody. We're kind of a big deal now.
UK: So you'll be ready to negotiate in, what: 3 weeks?
India: Ha ha ha ha ha
UK: What did we say?
India: 3 weeks? Try 3 years. This **** takes ages, bro
UK: But we had a timetable of 3 weeks with the EU
India: And how did that work out?
UK: Erm
India: Try Brazil
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UK: Hi Brazil
Brazil: We ArE oN FiRe!!
UK: Maybe we can trade you some fire engines?
Brazil: We LiKe bEiNg oN FiRe, iT's OuR tHiNg NoW!!!
UK: Shall we try New Zealand?
Brazil: I aM So DrUnK!!
UK: Yeah, let's try New Zealand
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UK: Hi, New Zealand
NZ: Hi, Crazy Uncle
UK: We'd like to sell you some lamb
NZ: Sorry, it's very noisy here, cos we still have a working economy. Did you say you want to sell us some lamb?
UK: Yes
NZ: Hold the line, gotta tell Australia this, they'll **** themselves
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UK: Hi Australia, wanna trade stuff?
Aus: We wanna offload Rolf Harris and our worst ever PM. What can you give us for them?
UK: We've already got them
Aus: That was easy! So what can you trade?
UK: We can send you some racists
Aus: I think we're sorted. Try Russia
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UK: Hi Russia, we have loads of lovely things we think you'd love to own
Russia: We already own them
UK: You don't own Boris
Russia: True. We rent him by the hour. £160k for a tennis match
UK: We really need a trade deal
Russia: We know. We made you need one. Try China
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UK: Can we please have a trade deal?
China: And you are...?
UK: We're Great Britain
China: Great, you say?
UK: Well once
China: It's not ringing any bells. Do you have another name?
UK: United Kingdom
China: United, you say?
UK: Alright, smart arse
China: So you want a trade deal?
UK: Yes, but first we demand you obey international law
China: What happened to your deal with the EU?
UK: We broke international law
China: Have you been drinking moonshine with Brazil again?
UK: We're very tired.
China: Why did you leave the EU?
UK: We couldn't deal with foreigners telling us what to do
China: What do you want?
UK: A deal
China: With who?
UK: Foreigners
China: And why can't you get one?
UK: Cos we don't know what to do
China: Were you dropped as a child?
UK: We just want a trade deal worthy of our status
China: You've got one
UK: No we haven't
China: Yes you have
UK: Why won't anybody take us seriously?
China: Would you like to buy a mirror?
UK: Finally, a deal!
China: You had a deal worthy of your status, with the EU. You don't need to renegotiate deals: you need to reassess your status. You're not a mighty nation, you're a small, wet, heavily indebted island on the edge of a globally important trade bloc, which you just left, you tit
UK: So, what do you suggest?
China: Aw, mate. You already know
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EU: Hi there! Here to rejoin?
UK: Yes, and on the same terms as before
EU: Oh, I don't think so. Say goodbye to your rebate, hello to the Euro, and bonjour to the Schengen area. Welcommen!
Anon

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Op dinsdag 29 september 2020 17:41 schreef Tijger_m het volgende:

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En helaas vrij dicht bij de realiteit

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Op dinsdag 29 september 2020 23:17 schreef zalkc het volgende:
https://nos.nl/l/2350363

De wet die de wet kan omzeilen is er door

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Op woensdag 30 september 2020 10:32 schreef Ulx het volgende:
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Het plan van de VK daar assemblage -met onderdelen uit derde landen- te gaan doen gaat hiermee een stuk duurder worden.

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Op woensdag 30 september 2020 09:58 schreef devlinmr het volgende:
Hoe je het ook kunt spinnen

VICTORY For Brexiteers As EU Surrenders On Irish Border

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Op woensdag 30 september 2020 13:38 schreef bedachtzaam het volgende:

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Als ik dat soort propaganda kanalen tegen kom blok ik ze gelijk.
Zulks moet je mijden, niet verspreiden.

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Brexit: Blow to UK car industry in search for EU deal


Britain's car industry risks losing out even if there is a post-Brexit trade deal with the EU, according to documents seen by the BBC.

Car parts from Japan and Turkey used in the UK will not be treated as British, so some exports may see higher tariffs.

In a letter, Britain's chief Brexit negotiator says the UK has failed so far to get the car parts deal it wants, and "obviously cannot insist on it".

Having enough parts sourced within the UK and EU is key to a free trade deal.

In a letter to the car industry, seen by the BBC, chief negotiator Lord Frost says one of their key priorities - that parts and components from Japan and Turkey count as British in any deal - has been rejected by the European Commission.

This risks some UK automotive production attracting taxes on trade, known as tariffs, when exported to the EU, even if there is a "zero tariff" trade deal struck with the EU.

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Op donderdag 1 oktober 2020 11:21 schreef Tijger_m het volgende:

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Hardball dus. Tja, wat het VK kan dat kunnen we ook, natuurlijk.

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Op donderdag 1 oktober 2020 11:01 schreef capricia het volgende:
Ultimatum is gisteren verstreken.

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De EU onderneemt nu juridische stappen tegen het VK.

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Op donderdag 1 oktober 2020 12:29 schreef mcmlxiv het volgende:

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Het lijkt mij een volkomen logisch vervolg. En de volgende twee stappen kun je ook al weer voorspellen
- EU krijgt gelijk van rechtbank
- UK accepteert uitkomst niet

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The former German defence minister said the UK had a month to respond to the commission’s letter of notice, which marks the beginning of a formal infringement process.

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The commission’s letter is the start of a lengthy process that could end up in the European court of justice. The EU court in Luxembourg could impose huge daily fines for continued breaches.

The UK agreed to be bound by decisions of the court on cases that began before the end of the transition period on 31 December, and for four years after that point.

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The infringement procedure is a common tool used by the commission against member states. Last year there were 800 open cases. Germany had 47 pending cases and France 34. Each procedure takes an average of 35 months to complete.

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HMRC estimates the cost of filling in 200 million customs declarations alone - deal or no deal - will cost UK business more than £7bn a year.

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UK tested Channel ‘blockade’ to deter migrants, leak reveals

Trials have taken place to test a blockade in the Channel similar to Australia’s controversial “turn back the boats” tactic, according to official documents seen by the Guardian.

The documents, produced in mid-September and marked “official” and “sensitive”, summarise advice from officials who were asked by Downing Street to consider “possible options for negotiating an offshore asylum processing facility similar to the Australian model in Papua New Guinea and Nauru”.

In August it was reported that the home secretary, Priti Patel, was planning to approach French officials for cooperation in using Royal Navy and Border Force boats to block the path of refugees and migrants attempting to reach the UK in small boats.

The document reveals this approach has been trialled. It reads: “Trials are currently under way to test a ‘blockade’ tactic in the Channel on the median line between French and UK waters, akin to the Australian ‘turn back’ tactic, whereby migrant boats would be physically prevented (most likely by one or more UK RHIBs [rigid hull inflatable boats] from entering UK waters.”

The Australian policy was developed by the country’s former prime minister Tony Abbott, who was recently appointed as a UK government trade adviser. Operation Sovereign Borders involves turning back boats to the country of embarkation before they reach Australian waters.

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The UK government has also launched a consultation with the maritime industry to explore constructing floating walls in the Channel to block asylum seekers from crossing the narrow strait from France, the Financial Times reported.

An email from the trade body Maritime UK, obtained by the newspaper, reveals that the idea of floating barriers is being seriously pursued by Home Office officials. Maritime UK told the Guardian it had informed the Home Office that it did not think the proposal was “legally possible”.

A Maritime UK spokesperson said: “As the umbrella organisation for UK maritime, we are a conduit between industry and government and are often asked by government for advice or input on policy matters. The Home Office engaged us to pass on a question around options to inhibit passage to UK territorial waters, which we gave to our members. The clear view, which we shared with the Home Office, was that as a matter of international convention, that this is not legally possible.”

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Op vrijdag 2 oktober 2020 22:32 schreef Tocadisco het volgende:
Mag dat überhaupt? Er zal toch vast en zeker wel een verdrag zijn dat het blokkeren van scheepvaartroutes (wat een neveneffect is van zo'n barrière) verbied?

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Op vrijdag 2 oktober 2020 22:32 schreef Tocadisco het volgende:
Mag dat überhaupt? Er zal toch vast en zeker wel een verdrag zijn dat het blokkeren van scheepvaartroutes (wat een neveneffect is van zo'n barrière) verbied?

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The clear view, which we shared with the Home Office, was that as a matter of international convention, that this is not legally possible.”

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Op zaterdag 3 oktober 2020 14:48 schreef Tijger_m het volgende:

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Ja, als we dat nu eens wisten...

Er zijn twee opties, de WA word gerespecteert en NI blijft op papier in het VK maar de facto in de EU of de WA word bij het oud vuil gezet en er komt een harde grens in Ierland. Meer opties dan dat zijn er eigenlijk niet.

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Op zaterdag 3 oktober 2020 14:55 schreef Maverick_tfd het volgende:

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Misschien moet ik iets specifieker zijn. Wat als UK gewoon lak heeft aan de WA en UK, NI en I geen zin hebben in een harde grens? Vraag me af of de EU dat dan wil afdwingen.

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Op zaterdag 3 oktober 2020 15:00 schreef Tijger_m het volgende:

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Het zou mij niet verbazen. Maar het is wel ongelofelijk idioot.

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Op zaterdag 3 oktober 2020 15:09 schreef Tijger_m het volgende:

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Tot nu toe valt de schade mee, we zijn er nog niet. En hoe ver ze kunnen gaan is allang duidelijk, de vraag is of ze ook de ballen hebben om het echt te doen.

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Op zaterdag 3 oktober 2020 14:58 schreef Tijger_m het volgende:

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Nee, dat kan de EU niet. Maar dat heeft wel consequenties voor het hele VK. Dan kunnen ze namelijk aan geen enkele WTO lidstaat vrije doorgang weigeren tegen nul tarieven en dan geld dat ook voor de EU. Al die lidstaten houden wel hun invoerrechten en beperkingen in stand voor Britse producten, uiteraard.

Dus dat komt dan neer op economische zelfmoord van het VK, zo competitief zijn Britse exports tenslotte niet als er tarieven op komen varieerend van 15% (autot's) tot 75% (lamsvlees)

En het probleem van het GVA blijft op tafel liggen want ook zonder harde grens is het VK gehouden alles hetzelfde te houden in NI als in Ierland, de grens is een zichtbaar onderdeel maar niet het enige.

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This section does not prevent the exercise of a function if the exercise—

(a)is necessary for the administration of arrangements which have thepurpose of facilitating access for qualifying Northern Ireland goods tothe internal market in the United Kingdom,
(b)is necessary to secure compliance with, or to give effect to, any international obligation or arrangement to which the United Kingdom is a party (whenever the United Kingdom becomes a party to it),

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Power to disapply or modify export declarations and other exit procedures

(1)A Minister of the Crown may by regulations make provision about the application of exit procedures to goods, or a description of goods, when moving from Northern Ireland to Great Britain.
(2)That includes any exit procedure that is applicable by virtue of the Northern Ireland Protocol or otherwise

5)Such provision may include provision for rights, powers, liabilities, obligations, restrictions, remedies and procedures that would otherwise apply, as a result of relevant international or domestic law, not to be recognised, available, enforced, allowed or followed.

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Health minister criticised for comparing responses to Covid-19 and Olympics

A health minister has been urged to apologise after he predicted the UK will look back at its Covid-19 response “like the Olympics” and be “extremely proud”.

Lord Bethell was asked at a Conservative party conference fringe event where the UK would rank in the world in terms of its response to the pandemic. In his answer, he drew a comparison between the preparations made for the London 2012 Olympic Games and this year’s efforts to tackle the coronavirus.

Responding during the virtual talk run by the Centre for Policy Studies thinktank, he said: “I think there have been some outstanding pieces of delivery that have not been fully appreciated. And I think it will be like the Olympics, that’s when it’s all over and we look back and reflect, we will actually be extremely proud of ourselves.”

Labour called the remarks by L Bethell “tasteless and offensive”. The shadow health secretary, Jon Ashworth, said: “We have witnessed a level of suffering from this virus that was incomprehensible at the start of the year. For a health minister to suggest we will look back with pride and compare it to a time of national celebration is tasteless and offensive. He should apologise.”

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Op maandag 5 oktober 2020 02:57 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:

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https://www.theguardian.c(...)london-2012-olympics

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Op maandag 5 oktober 2020 17:19 schreef Ulx het volgende:
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*Groan*

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Op maandag 5 oktober 2020 18:58 schreef Perrin het volgende:

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Dat is dan wel een prehistorische versie van Excel.

Oh ja en Excel

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A million-row limit on Microsoft’s Excel spreadsheet software may have led to Public Health England misplacing nearly 16,000 Covid test results, it is understood.

The data error, which led to 15,841 positive tests being left off the official daily figures, means than 50,000 potentially infectious people may have been missed by contact tracers and not told to self-isolate.

PHE was responsible for collating the test results from public and private labs, and publishing the daily updates on case count and tests performed.

But the rapid development of the testing programme has meant that much of the work is still done manually, with individual labs sending PHE spreadsheets containing their results. Although the system has improved from the early days of the pandemic, when some of the work was performed with phone calls, pens and paper, it is still far from automated.

In this case, the Guardian understands, one lab had sent its daily test report to PHE in the form of a CSV file – the simplest possible database format, just a list of values separated by commas. That report was then loaded into Microsoft Excel, and the new tests at the bottom were added to the main database.

But while CSV files can be any size, Microsoft Excel files can only be 1,048,576 rows long – or, in older versions which PHE may have still been using, a mere 65,536. When a CSV file longer than that is opened, the bottom rows get cut off and are no longer displayed. That means that, once the lab had performed more than a million tests, it was only a matter of time before its reports failed to be read by PHE.

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PHE had set up an automatic process to pull this data together into Excel templates so that it could then be uploaded to a central system and made available to the NHS Test and Trace team as well as other government computer dashboards.

The problem is that the PHE developers picked an old file format to do this - known as XLS.

As a consequence, each template could handle only about 65,000 rows of data rather than the one million-plus rows that Excel is actually capable of.

And since each test result created several rows of data, in practice it meant that each template was limited to about 1,400 cases. When that total was reached, further cases were simply left off.

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Op maandag 5 oktober 2020 18:58 schreef Perrin het volgende:

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Dat is dan wel een prehistorische versie van Excel.

Oh ja en Excel

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Op zondag 4 oktober 2020 12:10 schreef zwelgje76 het volgende:
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Oh, de UK government geeft nu ineens aan dat Brexit kosten met zich mee gaat brengen voor de chemische industrie. Maar ja, dat is volgens hen dan ook het onvermijdelijke gevolg van het verlaten van de EU. Dat hebben ze dus gemakshalve niet voor het referendum vermeld.

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City of London's Brexit Departures Are Speeding Up

Whether there’s a Brexit trade deal or not, the big investment banks are shifting significant resources to the EU.

Since Britain voted in 2016 to quit the European Union, there has been a fierce debate about the harm this will do to the City of London. Pessimists warned that losing unfettered access to the single market would force banks to move trillions of dollars in assets out of the world’s leading financial hub. Hundreds of thousands of jobs would go, the Cassandras said.

The reality has been more difficult to discern. The finance industry’s move to the continent has been piecemeal, and Brexit preparations have been complicated by the onslaught of the pandemic. Indeed, the management of the virus and the demands of home-working during lockdown mean some firms have had to slow their Brexit planning.

Unfortunately for London, one can still discern a shift in direction — amid all the fog of the Covid-19 war — that may support the Brexit doomsayers’ case. As Britain and Brussels embark on the final stage of talks to determine their future trading relationship, the trickle of resources moving away from the City is turning into a steady stream. The biggest investment banks have been spending hundreds of millions of dollars in the midst of a global recession to lease real estate on the continent, while relocating activities and jobs to set up standalone operations in the EU.

Although a single European rival to London may not emerge for some time, if at all, the shift is already posing questions about London’s future role in global finance — and about Britain’s coffers.

Take JPMorgan Chase & Co. The biggest U.S. bank is moving the equivalent of $230 billion of assets from the U.K. to its EU hub in Frankfurt, Bloomberg News has reported. That represents one-tenth of the Wall Street giant’s total assets and more than a third of the assets it holds in the U.K., its latest accounts show. About 200 employees are moving to continental Europe in what one executive described as a “first wave” of relocations.

The potential impact on JPMorgan’s revenue is even more striking. In a recent interview with Bloomberg Television, the bank’s top European executive, Viswas Raghavan, said 25% of the wholesale revenue generated by the firm in the U.K. could be headed elsewhere. “It’s a reasonable start,” he said.

This sense that a quarter of the City’s investment bank business might be in play is shared by other London financiers involved in Brexit preparations. Morgan Stanley is looking for a new headquarters in London that could be 25% smaller than its current space there.

Where larger firms go, smaller ones will follow, as will the ecosystem of lawyers and consultants around them. For a country that derived 12.3 billion pounds ($16 billion) in corporation tax from financial services in 2019 — 22% of all government receipts — the stakes are phenomenally high.

As things stand, next year financial services firms in the U.K. will lose their “passport” for selling their services in the EU. Assuming the two sides agree on a deal (still a big assumption), the City firms will probably have to rely instead on a system of “equivalence.” In that scenario, the EU would be able to decide unilaterally whether the U.K.’s rules are close enough to its own regulations to allow finance industry access.

Even if granted, an equivalence regime will leave firms with too much uncertainty about their long-term access to the EU, giving them little choice but to maintain a continental base.

What’s more, Europe is desperate to chip away at British dominance. The European Securities and Markets Authority will let London’s clearing houses sell services into the EU after Dec. 31, but it’s also planning a “comprehensive review of the systemic importance” of the industry, which could see that permission removed. Clearing houses play a critical role in safeguarding financial stability, as well as managing collateral for buyers and sellers of derivatives. The U.K.’s stranglehold on clearing euro swaps is of particular concern to the EU.

London’s position as the biggest investment-management center after New York is also uncertain. ESMA wants to limit EU-based funds delegating portfolio management to teams outside the bloc, including the U.K. About 90% of the assets under management in EU funds are delegated in this way.

The City of London’s dominance in Europe, underpinned by the deregulation of the 1980s and a favored legal system, isn’t yet threatened, and forcing the creation of a European rival could backfire, as my colleague Lionel Laurent argues. But the direction of travel has been set. Unless London can draw business from elsewhere, the City won’t be quite the destination it once was.

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Op dinsdag 6 oktober 2020 15:58 schreef bedachtzaam het volgende:
But what you may not know:
It looks quite different to way it did before, inc. *big* amendments to part on N.Ireland #Protocol...

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and section 6(1) of the Human Rights Act 1998 does not apply in relation to the making of regulations under section 44(1) and 45(1)

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No court or tribunal may entertain any proceedings for questioning the validity or lawfulness of regulations under section 44(1) or 45(1) other than proceedings in a relevant claim or application.
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The jurisdiction and powers of a court or tribunal in relation to a relevant claim or application are subject to subsections (1) and (2).
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but does not include the Convention rights within the meaning of the Human Rights Act 1998

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Pound sinks as EU bets UK will back down in Brexit talks

The pound slipped in mid-day trading in London following reports that the European Union is betting that the UK will back down on previous Brexit demands, resulting in the bloc having no plans to offer concessions ahead of next week’s Brexit deadline.

The pound fell sharply against the euro (GBPEUR=X), dropping by 0.3% at around 12:20pm in London. It also headed down against the dollar (GBPUSD=X) by 0.3%.

The EU intends to allow Brexit talks to drag out until November or December, beyond the 15 October deadline, according to Bloomberg. The report also states that the EU may even take a chance on Johnson pulling the plug on the deliberations rather than compromise on its red lines, the news agency said, quoting a senior EU diplomat. The high-stakes strategy was confirmed by a second EU official.

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On Wednesday, European Commission sources also confirmed that its Brexit team's offices are protected by fingerprint scanners, tighter security measures than those deployed at any other department, which are accessible for staff with approved passes.

According to the Telegraph, the ramping up of security comes amid fears of British spying in Brussels, which is believed to be an espionage hotspot, with the EU, its 28 member states and Nato all having a significant presence in the Belgian capital.

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Op dinsdag 6 oktober 2020 23:13 schreef Tijger_m het volgende:
Dit is ook wel een aardige:
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Even ter nuancering, wat in het VK fiber heet is niet hetzelfde als wij glasvezel noemen, hier glasvezel is wat er in huis komt, in het VK mag je het Fiber noemen als de buurtcentrale op fiber aangesloten is, niet je huis.

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Op woensdag 7 oktober 2020 01:27 schreef Tijger_m het volgende:

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Ik weet het en dat was ook een vrij onzalig idee maar die hadden tenminste wel een wat realistischer kostenplaatje voor ogen.

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Op dinsdag 6 oktober 2020 23:13 schreef Tijger_m het volgende:
Dit is ook wel een aardige:
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Even ter nuancering, wat in het VK fiber heet is niet hetzelfde als wij glasvezel noemen, hier glasvezel is wat er in huis komt, in het VK mag je het Fiber noemen als de buurtcentrale op fiber aangesloten is, niet je huis.

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Op woensdag 7 oktober 2020 12:20 schreef Tijger_m het volgende:

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Je moet de infrastructuur en de topografie van het VK ook in ogenschouw nemen, natuurlijk, zelfs grote steden voorzien van glasvezel is uitermate complex en het VK heeft veel oude steden waar graven en kabel trekken geen sinecure is.