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  donderdag 3 september 2020 @ 17:07:41 #1
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Dit topic dient ter bespreking van de Black Lives Matter demonstraties en protesten (inclusief rellen en plunderingen) in de Verenigde staten die massaal ontstaan zijn naar aanleiding van de dood van George Floyd. Er is hier ook ruimte om achterliggende oorzaken van de Amerikaanse demonstraties te bespreken.

Voor de demonstraties in Nederland kan je terecht in deze topicreeks. En racisme in Nederland kan in deze topicreeks besproken worden.

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zaterdag 8 augustus 2020 12:43 schreef Oostwoud het volgende:

"We are trained marxists", aldus een van de oprichters van BLM.

BLM.com
"We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable."

De marxisten hadden ook al zo'n hekel aan de familie-eenheid:
"Marxists argue that the nuclear family performs ideological functions for Capitalism – the family acts as a unit of consumption and teaches passive acceptance of hierarchy. It is also the institution through which the wealthy pass down their private property to their children, thus reproducing class inequality."

Marx, Engels and the Abolition of the family
Marxism and "the" Family
Want to Dismantle Capitalism? Abolish the Family
Black Lives Matter and the Family
Black Lives Matter Plan to Disrupt the Nuclear Family and ‘Dismantle Cisgender Privilege’ Gains Support in Corporate America
Why Marxist Organizations Like BLM Seek to Dismantle the "Western Nuclear Family"
How Black Lives Matter’s Hatred Of The Family Feeds Its Desire For Revolution
The matter of Marxism: Black Lives Matter is rooted in a soulless ideology
An appeal to Black Lives Matter activists

BLM wil de grote moeite die zwarten hebben om stabiele families in stand te houden terugzien in de gehele maatschappij. Het is de klassieke marxistische riedel: Iedereen gelijk, wat erop neerkomt dat iedereen de dupe is van werkelijke systemische oppressie.

Weet aan welke kant van de geschiedenis je staat als je dit soort groepen steunt.
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[modbreak]Topic is bedoeld om de demonstraties in de VS te bespreken.

Racistische trekjes en grapjes, generaliserende opmerkingen, onzinnigheden, one-liners, offtopic gedoe en persoonlijke opmerkingen naar andere users kunnen per direct achterwege blijven.

Kun je niet inhoudelijk discussiren met bronnen, meningen, feiten of nieuwsberichten: blijf dan weg, dan is dit topic niet voor jou. Reageren op andermans inhoudelijke inbreng met smileys, krachttermen, one-liners of andere 'geintjes' worden niet getolereerd.

Zet een TR als je wat ziet wat volgens jou niet door de beugel kan en ga er niet zelf met gestrekt been in, meldt het ons gewoon en we kijken er naar zodra we kunnen.

Eigenlijk niets anders dan anders dus, maar een (NWS-)ban zal sneller volgen want de maat bij sommige 'usual suspects' is wel vol nu.[/modbreak]

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  donderdag 3 september 2020 @ 17:08:31 #2
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Antifa dat zich voordoet als pers om niet opgepakt te worden
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Interessant. Het zou me niet eens verbazen als het echt nog pers is ook. Er zijn redelijk wat figuren in de journalistiek, bij grote media outlets, die banden hebben met anti-fascistische groeperingen. Niet voor niets verschijnen er ook geregeld artikelen die trachten de acties en geweld van Antifa te rechtvaardigen of de ernst te bagataliseren.
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Mocht dit kloppen, opmerkelijk ...

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0s.gif Op donderdag 3 september 2020 19:30 schreef Dejannn het volgende:
Mocht dit kloppen, opmerkelijk ...

[ twitter ]
En, is het echt?

Kennelijk is het echt, wat eerlijk gezegd tamelijk belachelijk is, wat heeft dit te maken met het topic?

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  donderdag 3 september 2020 @ 23:32:50 #7
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En, is het echt?

Natuurlijk. Amerika is al een tijd gek geworden.

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The University of Southern California has placed a professor on leave after he said a Chinese word that sounds similar to a racial slur in English while teaching a communications class, according to a report.

Greg Patton, a professor at the university’s Marshall School of Business, was giving a lecture about the use of “filler words” in speech during a recent online class when he used the word in question, saying, “If you have a lot of ‘ums and errs,’ this is culturally specific, so based on your native language. Like in China, the common word is ‘that, that, that.’ So in China it might be ‘ni ge, ni ge, ni ge.’”
https://www.nationalrevie(...)ds-like-racial-slur/
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0s.gif Op donderdag 3 september 2020 23:32 schreef voetbalmanager2 het volgende:

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Natuurlijk. Amerika is al een tijd gek geworden.
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Ik kom hier ook genoeg neppe shit tegen, maar het bleek na een korte zoektocht inderdaad echt, zoals ik aanvulde (wtf). Verder is me nog niet duidelijk waarom het ontopic is.
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Die schutter van die dodelijke schietpartij in Portland loopt dus nog vrij rond.. 8)7
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0s.gif Op donderdag 3 september 2020 23:52 schreef Selqae het volgende:

Die schutter van die dodelijke schietpartij in Portland loopt dus nog vrij rond.. 8)7
Dat Trump hier niks aan doet. :N
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Die schutter van die dodelijke schietpartij in Portland loopt dus nog vrij rond.. 8)7
8)7

Op borgtocht ?

Oh nee, niet gearresteerd lees ik net.

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Police sources previously told the paper that Reinoehl — who proudly calls himself “100% Antifa” — is being investigated for Saturday’s fatal shooting of Aaron “Jay” Danielson, 39, a man who had just been part of a caravan of cars supporting Trump.

A police spokesperson stressed that those reports are “unverified and unconfirmed,” and Reinoehl has not been officially named as a suspect. No arrests have been announced in the ongoing investigation.
https://nypost.com/2020/0(...)portland-mob-attack/

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  vrijdag 4 september 2020 @ 00:33:06 #12
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BLM is toch het andere uiterste? Dan snap je het niet. Waarom komen zowel blacks als whites niet op voor ALM?

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8)7

Op borgtocht ?

Oh nee, niet gearresteerd lees ik net.
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https://nypost.com/2020/0(...)portland-mob-attack/
Het is ongelooflijk, alles staat op beeld inclusief audio;

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"We got 'em right here, we've got a couple right here."
"Pull it out!"
"Here?"
"Yeah."
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15s.gif Op vrijdag 4 september 2020 00:33 schreef BansheeBoy het volgende:
BLM is toch het andere uiterste? Dan snap je het niet. Waarom komen zowel blacks als whites niet op voor ALM?

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Omdat ze ook vinden dat ALM, maar dat zwarten achtergesteld zijn en het dus benadrukt moet worden dat black lives matter.

Je had daar tot de jaren 60 een wettelijk gescheide samenleving, zoals Zuid Afrika dat tot veel later had, wat velen hier niet lijken te weten.

Dat leidde uiteraard tot allerhande structurele achterstand. En onderzoek wijst uit dat zwarten zwaarder gestraft worden voor hetzelfde misdrijf en ondanks dat ze gemiddeld genomen vaker misdrijven plegen alsnog onevenredig vaak door de politie getarget worden.
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Het is ongelooflijk, alles staat op beeld inclusief audio;
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Michael Reinoehl is vannacht omgekomen toen de politie hem wou arresteren.

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Michael Reinoehl, man sought in the fatal Portland shooting after Trump rally, killed by officers in WA, published report says

Officers on a federal fugitive task force seeking to arrest Michael Forest Reinoehl on a warrant in the deadly shooting Saturday night in downtown Portland shot and killed him in Washington as they tried to take him into custody, according to The New York Times.

Officers from the U.S. Marshals Service and Thurston County Sheriff’s Office were involved in serving the arrest warrant, an emergency dispatcher told The Oregonian/OregonLive.

Thurston County Sheriff John Snaza confirmed to The Olympian newspaper that U.S. marshals shot a man on a street in Tanglewilde, an area near Lacey, Washington. The newspaper reported that a neighbor said he saw two SUVs pull up and then heard 30 to 40 shots.

The Washington Post reported that the FBI found Reinoehl and an officer shot him when he “pulled a gun.”

Reinoehl was identified on social media within hours of the Portland shooting that left Aaron “Jay” Danielson, 39, lying dead on Southwest Third Avenue from a gunshot wound to the chest after a pro-Trump rally.

Reinoehl acknowledged his involvement to a freelance journalist in an interview posted by Vice News on Thursday night. He said he acted in self-defense, believing he was about to be stabbed. He said he was aware of what happened and then ran from the scene.

Reinoehl has said on social media that he has provided security at some of the Black Lives Matter events in the city and described himself as an anti-fascist.

Reinoehl said in the interview aired on Vice that he decided to speak out, although lawyers advised him against saying anything. He talked to freelance journalist Donovan Farley.

“You know, lots of lawyers suggest that I shouldn’t even be saying anything, but I feel it’s important that the world at least gets a little bit of what’s really going on, because there’s been a lot of propaganda put out,” he said.

Reinoehl encountered Danielson walking with a friend after a car caravan in support of President Trump had left downtown Portland. The rally was marked by people firing paintball guns and streaming pepper spray or mace from trucks and opponents throwing objects at them and blocking streets.

Danielson’s shooting was caught on video by Justin Dunlap, who was livestreaming the demonstration on his Facebook page. He told The Oregonian/OregonLive, “I saw the victim pull something up from his hip with his right hand and a big cloud of mace goes in the air. And then half a second later, there were two pops.”

Danielson can be seen stumbling two or three steps before collapsing on Southwest Third Avenue, south of Alder Street.

In the Vice News report, Reinoehl appears to admit to the shooting, saying, “I had no choice.” But he then adds, “I mean, I, I had a choice. I could have sat there and watched them kill a friend of mine of color, but I wasn’t going to do that.”

Another man dressed in dark clothes was at the scene of the shooting. The video also shows him also running away after the gunshots.

Reinoehl said he’d been out earlier in the evening Saturday with his son and noticed a number of trucks with American flags driving through the city, but “wasn’t even aware of what was going on.”

He said he spoke to some friends about what he had seen, returned home and then received a call from someone saying it “might be a good idea to come down there. Security may be needed not knowing what that would entail. I had no idea what I was going into.”

He didn’t describe exactly what prompted the two gunshots Saturday night or provide details on the gun he used, but told the interviewer he believed the shooting was justified.


“I am confident that my friend and I’m sure I would have been killed because I wasn’t going to stand there and let something happen,” Reinoehl said.

“I realized what had happened,” he told the interviewer. “I was confident that I did not hit anyone innocent. And I made my exit.”

Portland resident Nate Millsap also caught part of the shooting on video. Millsap, who runs a YouTube channel called Stumptown Matters, had videotaped the pro-Trump caravan heading into downtown over the Morrison Bridge. He was downtown until the last trucks appeared to leave and then decided to walk south on Third Avenue towards the Justice Center.

“I felt like things were winding down,” Millsap told The Oregonian/OregonLive.

While standing at the corner of Third and Washington Street, “I saw some commotion playing out in the street. Some people were intimidating vehicles,” Millsap said.

He was done filming but kept his camera rolling, facing down as he walked.

Millsap said there was a Black man with a Black Lives Matter hat on, yelling at cars stopped at the light, saying things like, “What are you afraid of me for? I’m not the one oppressing people .”


Millsap continued walking south on the west side of Third Avenue.

“Then all of a sudden, I heard a voice yell out, ‘Hey we got two right here. Pull it.’ And then two shots,” Millsap recalled.

He ducked for cover in a nearby alcove of a business, but immediately pulled his camera up to film, capturing Chandler Pappas turning over his friend, Danielson, and asking, “Jay, Jay, are you OK?”

Danielson, who was wearing a Patriot Prayer hat, was with Pappas, another supporter of the right-wing group, when he was killed.

In an interview posted to YouTube late Wednesday, Pappas said he and Danielson had not encountered the suspected shooter until moments before the shooting.

Pappas said he and Danielson “became isolated” from other participants in the caravan when the suspected shooter approached. He said “these guys” were shouting at Pappas and Danielson, prompting Danielson to turn around.

He said Danielson “did raise his can” of bear mace. He said he does not know if Danielson had a chance to deploy the spray before he was shot in the chest.


Pappas said he met Danielson about a year ago, around the time he began attending rallies.

Reinoehl described himself on social media as “100 % ANTIFA all the way!” He has posted photos of recent protests he’s attended in downtown Portland and elsewhere in the wake of the May 25 killing of George Floyd, who died after a Minneapolis police officer knelt on his neck for more than eight minutes.

In the video interview, Reinoehl said he’s anti-fascist but not a member of antifa or anything.

The night before the fatal shooting, Reinoehl was seen at a demonstration in the Pearl District outside Mayor Ted Wheeler’s condo. Reinoehl had brought his daughter, who was carrying a baseball bat.

He’s also had several recent run-ins with police involving guns this summer.

Shortly after 2 a.m. on July 5, Portland police seized a 9mm handgun from him and arrested him on allegations of possessing a loaded gun in a public place, as well as interfering with police and resisting arrest. The encounter occurred in the 700 block of Southwest Main Street.


While officers were struggling with him and trying to arrest him, the gun dropped from Reinoehl , according to police. He was cited and released, and it’s unclear if the gun was ever returned to him. Police haven’t responded to a public records request for the police report.

He was given a date to appear in court later that month, but the allegations were dropped with a “no complaint,” according to court records. The Multnomah County District Attorney’s office said the case is still under review.

On July 26, Reinoehl tried to wrestle a gun away from a man who was involved in a skirmish downtown. Reinoehl was shot in the upper right arm when the man’s gun discharged during the chaotic brawl. The gun’s owner, Aaron Collins of Colton, said he ended up running from the scene and left his gun behind.

The 9mm handgun hasn’t been recovered, said Collins, who wore the pistol in a holster on his hip and had a concealed gun permit. Police are investigating the fracas, they said.


Reinoehl was also wanted on a failure to appear warrant stemming from a June 8 speed racing case in Baker County in eastern Oregon. He and his 17-year-old son were racing in two different cars at speeds of up to 111 mph heading east on Interstate 84 after midnight near North Powder, state police said.

He was driving a 2005 Cadillac STS with his 11-year-old daughter as a passenger, police said. Inside the car, police said they found marijuana, “unidentified prescription pills” and a loaded Glock pistol for which Reinoehl didn’t have a concealed handgun license, state police said.

Reinoehl faced allegations of driving under the influence of a controlled substance, recklessly endangering another, unlawful possession of a gun and driving while suspended and uninsured.
https://www.oregonlive.co(...)-officers-in-wa.html
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Michael Reinoehl is vannacht omgekomen toen de politie hem wou arresteren.
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https://www.oregonlive.co(...)-officers-in-wa.html
*O*
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Het volledige stuk van Vice over Michael Reinoehl

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Michael Reinoehl is vannacht omgekomen toen de politie hem wou arresteren.
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https://www.oregonlive.co(...)-officers-in-wa.html
Antifa-vuilnis wordt opgeruimd *O*
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nice, hopelijk zware straffen hiervoor.
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Michael Reinoehl is vannacht omgekomen toen de politie hem wou arresteren.

Wat vervelend zeg.
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Het volledige stuk van Vice over Michael Reinoehl

“I see a civil war right around the corner. That shot felt like the beginning of a war".
“To destroy a people you must first sever their roots.”
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Michael Reinoehl is vannacht omgekomen toen de politie hem wou arresteren.
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https://www.oregonlive.co(...)-officers-in-wa.html
And nothing of value was lost that day :W
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Antifa-vuilnis wordt opgeruimd *O*
Empathieloze klootzak eerste klasse gespot. *O*
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Empathieloze klootzak eerste klasse gespot. *O*
Hier nog een stel, maar ok dit is fascistisch tuig, dus daar mag je het van verwachten

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