Einstein was een racist?

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Op zondag 17 juni 2018 20:46 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:

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"bedrijvig, smerig en stompzinnig volk".... de kinderen zijn "leeg van geest en dom"... "zelfs degenen die als paarden moeten werken nooit blijk van een bewust lijden geven" ... een "kudde"

Hij bezocht China in '22. De hongersnood van '20-'21 veroorzaakte naar schatting een half miljoen doden. Als Einstein in die regio was (en niet wist dat er een hongersnood geweest was), dan kan ik me voorstellen dat hij een vertekend beeld kreeg. Mensen die maandenlang honger leden, bijna stierven aan ondervoeding, gezins- en familieleden verloren hebben, daar zal je weinig vreugde en lachende gezichten zien, neem ik aan.

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Op woensdag 20 juni 2018 18:39 schreef Jellereppe het volgende:

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Hongersnoden kort voor '22

1. Chinese hongersnoden 1810, 1811, 1846, 1849: 45 miljoen doden
2. Chinese hongersnoden 1850 - 1873: 60 miljoen doden

Na '22.

1. Chinese hongersnood 1928 - 1930: drie miljoen doden.
2. Chinese hongersnood 1936 - 1937: vijf miljoen doden.
3. Chinese hongersnood: 1942 - 1943: twee miljoen doden.
4. Chinese Hongersnood 1959 - 1961: vijftien miljoen doden.

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Op woensdag 20 juni 2018 17:16 schreef Jellereppe het volgende:


In 1922 China was a Democratic Republic, Republic of China (1912–1949) with an elected president, a congress, multiple political parties, and Western supervisory of half of the land and all major ports and rivers.


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In 1916 there were about a half-million soldiers in China. By 1922 the numbers had tripled, then tripled again by 1924, more than the warlords could support. For example, Marshal Zhang, the ruler of industrialised Manchuria, took in $23 million in tax revenues in 1925 while spending some $51 million. Warlords in other provinces were even more hard-pressed. One way of raising funds were taxes called lijin that were often confiscatory and inflicted much economic harm. For example, in Sichuan province there were 27 different taxes on salt, and one shipload of paper that was sent down the Yangtze River to Shanghai was taxed 11 different times by various warlords to the sum total of 160% of its value. One warlord imposed a tax of 100% on railroad freight, including food, even though there was a famine in his province. Taxes owed to the central government in Beijing on stamp and salt were usually taken by regional authorities. Despite all of the wealth of Manchuria and the support of the Japanese army, Marshal Zhang had to raise land taxes by 12% between 1922 and 1928 to pay for his wars.[7]

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Why did the Communists won the Chinese Civil War?

CCP intelligence and spycraft. Communist agents had infiltrated the entire KMT military and political structure.

This is not something that the Communists enjoy boasting about compared to their genius generals, relentless bravery, and uncanny ability to crush enemy armor with primitive rifles. Sure, in the grand scheme the KMT were corrupt and CCP were beloved by the peasantry, no doubt about that. But it doesn't explain why the numerically and technically stronger KMT were continuously dismantled by entire division units and then even army groups in engagements. On the other hand, one would be hard pressed to find more than a few instances where battle-hardened KMT managed to wipe out an entire CCP unit even as small as a brigade on the battlefield.

If KMT had prevailed on the battlefield, then arguably even corruption and lack of peasant support wouldn't jeopardize its rule.

Imagine playing Starcraft with no fog of war for you. You are able to see every step your opponent is making, but they are blinded by the fog of war and don't know about your omniscience or what you are doing. Even if your opponent's army and resources quadruple yours, you still have a good chance of winning because you know their exact troop movements, can exploit their weaknesses and evade their power offensives. You are able to pinpoint enemy units who have separated from their main force and ambush them. In this analogy, you are the omniscient CCP and your opponent is the clueless KMT.

Numerous CCP spies successfully infiltrated the KMT, some reaching the top echelons of the KMT command chain. Two of Generalissimo Chiang's most trusted advisors, Liu Fei and Guo Ru Gui, were confirmed CCP agents. Top secret orders issued by Chiang were delivered into Mao's hands before they even reached front line KMT generals. These spies also held up key intelligence information in order to mislead headquarters into making wrong tactical decisions that often sent KMT units into traps, to be ambushed, encircled and outnumbered by CCP forces.

It was said that the turning point of the civil war began during KMT's Strong Point Offensive in Shandong and Shanxi. KMT's pride and the most elite crack unit, the mechanized 32000-strong Reorganized 74th Division led by the legendary Zhang Ling Fu (???) who dominated the Japanese during WW2 and had been decimating CCP rebels with impunity, was sent under the influence of Liu and Guo into the indefensible mountainous Meng Niang Gu region that severely reduced its prowess, put it at a tactical disadvantage since it had to dump its heavy artillery which was later retrieved by CCP forces using it to bombard the 74th, and rendered it difficult to be reinforced by nearby friendly units. Tang En Bo, commander of the First Army Group to which the 74th belonged, realized the tactical error and requested Chiang to authorize an urgent detour. Liu, using the excuse that it was late and Chiang had already gone to bed, denied Tang's request. The 74th continued its death march into Meng Niang Gu.

CCP forces numbering more than 200000 men, knowing the KMT deployments well in advance, encircled and annihilated the crack division, absorbing the remnant cream-of-the-crop KMT troops into their own ranks which vastly boosted their combat abilities and technical know-how.

Imagine the destructive effect on the morale of KMT armies when they learned about the demise of their most unbeatable unit, one of the few KMT divisions who faced IJA head-on and prevailed. For Star Wars fans out there, it would be akin to the Imperials staring in disbelief at their invincible flagship Super Star Destroyer Executor burning and crashing into Death Star II at Endor, which sent demoralizing shockwaves across the battlefield and contributed to the Empire's defeat.

In the Shanxi theatre, KMT General Hu Zong Nan invaded the CCP capital Yan'an from three directions with his elite 1st Corps supported by several hundred thousand troops with the goal of capturing Mao. The invasion was designed to be a top secret mission to catch Mao unawares. However, tipped off by CCP spies, Mao and his Northwestern Field Army pulled out of Yan'an well ahead of Hu's arrival. Despite his overwhelming strength, Hu failed to capture the hide-and-seeking Mao, who intentionally remained in Shanxi in order to tie up Hu's armies so they couldn't reinforce other theatres. Hu's well-equipped and well-trained forces were continuously chipped away by the small, poorly armed 20000-strong Northwestern Field Army since the CCP knew his exact moves while he maneuvered blindly. On several occasions, Mao and his small entourage were mere kilometres away from and undetected by KMT scouts. It's been suggested that had Chiang redeployed some of Hu's armies to the Shandong or Northeast theatre instead of chasing Mao's shadow in Shanxi, KMT may have fared better at those theatres.

Some scholars even contend that General Hu himself was a CCP agent after analyzing his disastrous tactics that resulted in repeated ambush and annihilation of KMT units.

Some CCP agents became front line commanders, brainwashed their KMT troops and mutinied at critical moments during battles. They deserted key strategic positions leaving KMT flanks vulnerable, and caused chaos among neighbouring friendly units and subsequent defeat despite overall KMT numerical and technical superiority on the battlefield.

A few KMT commanders caught onto CCP infiltration in their headquarters, and realized that their odds significantly improved if they intentionally deviated from battle plans drafted by Central Command. Three notable examples were:

• General Liu Yuzhang of the KMT 52th Army: the only unit that escaped unscathed from the Liaoshen Campaign fiasco

• General Hu Lian of the KMT 18th Army, nicknamed "Fox with Nine Tails": CCP suffered so many casualties fighting Hu that during each engagement in the Central Plains region Mao took special precautions to delay or prevent the involvement of the 18th Army. General Hu stated "my mission is to win battles. I will not be forced by the DOD to do their bidding! As long as I win, I will accept my fate even if they behead me for insubordination"

• General Qiu Qing Quan (???) of the KMT 5th Army: Mao himself issued a stern warning to all CCP units to avoid the 5th Army whenever possible (????).

To CCP's credit, it should be noted that Chiang's tendency to micromanage his forces, often issuing direct orders to individual front line units down to the company without notifying these units' commanders, proved to be confusing and detrimental to KMT's war efforts. Once a deployment plan had been decided by headquarters, it was frowned upon for commanders to alter them without authorization. On the other hand, Mao trusted his generals and allowed them pretty much free rein on making whatever tactical moves they saw fit to adapt to present conditions.

Mao, who always focused on the big picture, was considered a better strategist than Chiang. See Mao's strategic directives to his CCP armies here, titled Annihilating Enemy Units One at a Time by Concentrating Overwhelming Force:

https://www.marxists.org/(...)ese-mao-19460916.htm

That being said, for Mao to successfully execute his strategies, he first needs the target KMT units to be where he wants them to be at the precise timing. That's where CCP spycraft shines.

Bron: https://www.quora.com/Why(...)he-Chinese-Civil-War

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What did Chinese soldiers (in general) think of Americans soldiers in the Korean War?

My grandfather on my mother's side is a veteran of People's Liberation Army. He took part in the civil war (joined army in Northern China and fought all the way south to Hainan) and Korean War. He served in 38th and 40th Army as a signalman, managing the radio station of his division.

He's 85 years old, living with my grandmother. Every time I come home I'd like to listen to his war stories, knowing that there will soon be a day that no more stories for me to listen to. He has a very good memory, and can still recall the exact date of most events he talks about. Almost all stories he told me are about Korean War.

There are three of them that I clearly remember. He told me the third story the last time I went home.

The first story: Chinese army was heavily suppressed by US Air Force. My grandfather said he only marched three times during his nearly 3 years in Korea under daylight, and his company was hit by US fighters every time.

Two of his friends and comrades were bearing a stretcher. A wounded soldier was being carried by it. US fighters came and bullets hit all three people while they were finding cover. They did not collapse on the ground right away like in the movies, instead, they stayed totally still for a long time like statutes. I can't remember how long he said, but probably even after the air strike was over. US got an overwhelming Air Force, while China got basically nothing airborne. I know history textbooks say that China and Russia both put some fighters in Korean War, but according to my grandfather, he hadn't seen a single air combat.

The second story: Korea was cold. Some of my grandfather's comerades died because of the cold during winter.

There was a time that he had to cross a river with no bridge, during winter, and at night. His company jumped in the water and walked on the river bottom. A newly recruited soldier was frozen to death because his military uniform was totally wet, but my grandfather was more cautious. He jumped in the river, stayed in the water for a while to get the surface of his uniform wet, and climbed on the river bank pretty quickly to let the water freeze into ice and become a protective surface. That's how his uniform became water proof to help him survive from the coldness.

I can't remember how my grandfather talked about the equipments of the US military, but I guess they must be better. With air supremacy, at least US troops didn't need to march at night all the time and be frozen to death only because their uniforms are wet.

The third story: Sometimes when my grandfather's unit arrived, US forces had already retreated and left many equipments behind. However, US troops were smart to poison some food they left. Some hungry Chinese soldiers ate the poisoned food and died.

Last time I came home, my grandfather told the most shocking story I've ever heard from him. There was a time that the US troops left in such a hurry that they didn't have the time to carry the wounded. So they burned the trucks as well as the wounded soldiers inside. My grandfather believe most wounded were burned alive.

I think this will never appear in any history book. But I believe it did happened. There's no point for him to make up things like that.

Theses are three of the stories my grandfather told me. I've read his autobiography. But the contents of it are more general. Not as vivid as his stories.

My grandmother thought he was already dead in Korea and had a funeral for him, but he magically recovered from the encephalitis he got during the war and all those flying bullets and safely came home.

People say that veterans feel proud for how they devoted to the state. My grandpa is still watching political news on TV, reading his favorite history books and newspapers behind his glasses. But from my experience, I can't feel he is proud. To him, it's just memory.

He likes to tell those stories to me.

I believe telling his stories makes him feel young again.

Bron: https://www.quora.com/Wha(...)rs-in-the-Korean-War

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Op woensdag 13 juni 2018 12:13 schreef descon het volgende:
Kan me in een aantal dingen wel vinden wat hij daar zegt. Als je Japan en China vergelijkt zijn de jappanners over het algemeen een stukkie schoner als chinezen (behalve als het om freakporn gaat )

Het kudde gedrag is ook wel te verklaren vanuit zijn perspectief. Een chinees zal niet snel commentaar hebben op zijn leidinggevende...en zijn collegas net zo. Dan heb je al snel een kudde als het om zulke zaken gaat en lijken ze al snel stomzinnig.

Perspectief mensen....zeker als het om iets gaat wat bijna 100 jaar geschreven is. Volgens mij werd Einstein toen hij leefde ook gezien als een mafklapper. Nu wordt ie gezien als geniaal.

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Op donderdag 21 juni 2018 00:12 schreef ootjekatootje het volgende:

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Cultuurshock zeker 100 jaar geleden.

Niets mis met Chinezen, Japanners en Einstein. Wat een non News..

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Op woensdag 20 juni 2018 21:57 schreef Jellereppe het volgende:
Het krijgsherentijdperk (1916 - 1928), Chinese burgeroorlog (1927 - 1950) en Chinees-Japanse oorlog (1937 - 1945). Alleen maar destructie. Uiteindelijk de Volksrepubliek China uitgeroepen door Mao (1949 - heden); maar ook daarna was het nog tientallen jaren lang een enorme bende, omdat men helemaal opnieuw moest starten en het uitbreken van de Koreaanse en Vietnamoorlog aan hun voordeur. Hij besloot ook tot het heroveren van gebieden die de Qing-dynastie hadden verloren: Oost-Turkestan (Xinjiang), Tibet en enkele eilanden. In zijn ogen herstelde hij enorme schade die de Qing dynastie in de laatste 50 jaar van hun bestaan hadden veroorzaakt.

https://en.wikipedia.org/(...)e_Civil_War&stable=0

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Sino-Japanese_War

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De Grote Sprong Voorwaarts moet worden gezien als Maoïstische programma om China te industrialiseren, het land richting het Moderne Tijdperk te slepen met een paar grote sprongen, maar liep grotendeels uit de hand. Hij had haast met industrialiseren! Waarom? De dreiging van de Kuomintang die zich hadden verschanst in Taiwan + Amerikaanse dreiging tijdens de Koude Oorlog! De Culturele Revolutie (1966-1976): ik denk dat het gevolg is van een land dat vertrouwen in haar cultuur en tradities had verloren. Waarom is ons dit overkomen? Waar ligt het probleem? Onder andere onze cultuur en tradities! Dat was waarschijnlijk de gedachtegang. De Chinezen zullen niet dezelfde fout herhalen als het missen van de eerste industriële revolutie waardoor ze achter gingen lopen op de ontwikkelde wereld. Ze investeren miljarden in de vierde industriële revolutie zoals kunstmatige intelligentie, 3D-printen, nanotechnologie en meer, om dit keer wel op tijd bij te zijn. Nooit meer is de gedachtegang.

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Op donderdag 21 juni 2018 00:43 schreef Idisrom het volgende:

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De meeste Chinezen zijn Mao echt dankbaar voor het feit dat hij China weer één heeft gemaakt, na een eeuw vernedering door de Westerse mogendheden en Japan sinds ongeveer 1845.
Om die reden vergeven ze hem ook nog wel de gevolgen van de Grote Sprong Voorwaarts. Maar ze zijn nu wel kritisch geworden over Mao's laatste 10 jaar van de Culturele Revolutie.

Ik denk dat de Amerikaanse ondersteuning van Taiwan in augustus 1950 (in de ogen van de Chinezen was dat nog het laatste stukje van de Burgeroorlog), de aanleiding is geworden om Tibet weer te veroveren na 38 jaar in begin oktober 1950 en een paar weken daarna de Noord-Koreanen te ondersteunen, die op dat moment bijna helemaal waren teruggedrongen tot de Chinese grens.

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Did the Korean war cause China to change plans from attacking Taiwan to defending North Korea?

Almost certainly although it's up for vigorous debate whether China actually had the military capacity, both in technical and abstract terms, to invade and occupy Taiwan at that time.

When Kim Il-Sung made his overtures to Stalin about engaging in offensive action in an effort to reunify the peninsula, the Man of Steel acquiesced but only did so with a cheeky caveat: Kim would have to earn Mao's approval for the operation to commence.

To make his position absolutely clear, Stalin coldly told his Korean ally, 'If you get kicked in the teeth, I shall not lift a finger.' Korea would have to carry itself to victory with China providing the bulk of logistical and combat support in the ensuing operations.

When North Korea invaded the South at 4:40 a.m. on June 25th, 1950, Beijing was apprehensive to say the least. Mao and much of the Politburo were hesitant to engage in Korea, much less provide even a modicum of support in a time where China was tackling two beasts simultaneously: economic recovery and an intransigent Taiwan. Made incredibly worse by the unknown variable present in the reaction of the United States and the Truman Administration to these developments.

Prior to Korea, President Truman had made it explicitly clear to Chiang that the United States would, in no discernible way, intervene either militarily or diplomatically to defend Taiwan in the event of an invasion. Cementing this established position was the invasion of the island of Hainan, just off the coast of Guandong that saw the Nationalists collapse for a grand total of 33,000 casualties. Quemoy and the other offshore islands still in Nationalists hands were poised to be assaulted before a final, definitive invasion of Taiwan a year later.

Korea fucked all that. It was one thing for the Truman Administration to ignore a continuing civil war that had merely finished a conflict that had existed prior to the Second World War, it was an entirely new thing for a Communist state to undertake offensive action against what was perceived to be a protected mandate of the United States.

The power of the United States had been directly challenged on the Korean Peninsula, there was no going back.

For Mao, this was a delicate time in his rule, unsure of whether to intervene or not with several members of the Politburo arguing for both sides. It took the continual collapse of the DPRK, both as a state and as a military force, for Mao to intervene. Perhaps in the most cynical development to arise out of this was the fact that Mao had cautioned Kim about the potential for landings at Inchon yet his warnings went ignored due to still ever-present distrust of China in general.

''From a tactical point of view, sometimes retreat is better than attack . . . Your enemy is not an easy one. Don't forget, you are fighting the chief imperialist. Be prepared for the worst.''

--Message sent from Mao to Kim Il-Sung prior to the Inchon landings.

In the end, Kim ignored him and so did Stalin to their own peril.

On September 15th, the United States began it's landings at Inchon, flanking DPRK units in the field to kick start a dramatic retreat all the way to the borders of China. In the ensuing panic, Kim sent two of his top lieutenants to beg Mao for help with Stalin cabling that if Mao committed ground troops to prevent the final demise of the DPRK, he would provide air cover for Chinese units in the field.

Left with little choice and swamped with encroaching U.N. forces on the fringes of the Yalu River, Mao engaged, sending 200,000 troops into Korea.

Taiwan would have to wait.

Bron: https://www.quora.com/profile/Cameron-Greene-5

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Op woensdag 20 juni 2018 18:39 schreef Jellereppe het volgende:

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Op donderdag 21 juni 2018 00:50 schreef voetbalmanager2 het volgende:

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Hij is terug

Hoe gaat het met je? Gecondoleerd met de uitschakeling trouwens

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Op donderdag 21 juni 2018 00:51 schreef Jellereppe het volgende:

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Bedankt. Oh, ik geef niet om voetbal.

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Op donderdag 21 juni 2018 00:54 schreef Jellereppe het volgende:
Eh, ik begon het forum te missen.

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Op donderdag 21 juni 2018 00:56 schreef voetbalmanager2 het volgende:

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Welkom terug dan

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Op woensdag 20 juni 2018 21:57 schreef Jellereppe het volgende:
Het krijgsherentijdperk (1916 - 1928), Chinese burgeroorlog (1927 - 1950) en Chinees-Japanse oorlog (1937 - 1945). Alleen maar destructie. Uiteindelijk de Volksrepubliek China uitgeroepen door Mao (1949 - heden); maar ook daarna was het nog tientallen jaren lang een enorme bende, omdat men helemaal opnieuw moest starten en het uitbreken van de Koreaanse en Vietnamoorlog aan hun voordeur. Hij besloot ook tot het heroveren van gebieden die de Qing-dynastie hadden verloren: Oost-Turkestan (Xinjiang), Tibet en enkele eilanden. In zijn ogen herstelde hij enorme schade die de Qing dynastie in de laatste 50 jaar van hun bestaan hadden veroorzaakt.

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Op donderdag 21 juni 2018 01:20 schreef zakjapannertje het volgende:

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Mongolië heeft zich met dank aan de Sovjet-Unie met succes los kunnen weken van China.

Taiwan is trouwens op papier nog niet uit of Mongolië tegenwoordig een onafhankelijk land mag zijn, of toch weer hoort bij China. Maar feitelijk behandelt Taiwan Mongolië als een onafhankelijk land.

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongolia–;Taiwan_relations

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Mass killings of landlords under Mao Zedong

Attack type: Classicide, mass murder
Deaths: 4,500,000 (from 1947-1951) - 13,500,000 to 14,250,000 (from 1947–1976)
Perpetrators: Radicalized Chinese peasants

https://en.wikipedia.org/(...)rds_under_Mao_Zedong

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Op zondag 24 juni 2018 21:48 schreef Begripvol het volgende:
Einstein was toen verblind door starheid. Want wat blijkt nu, hij heeft totaal geen rekening gehouden met het feit dat de evolutie ervoor zorgt dat de mens, ongeacht van welk ras dan ook, steeds mooier, wijzer en intelligenter wordt.

Idiocracy - Opening scene in HD

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Op maandag 25 juni 2018 08:45 schreef Firewarrior het volgende:

Haahahaa. Een vis zal nooit in een boom kunnen klimmen, dus waarom zou je een vis beoordelen op zijn mogelijkheid om in een boom te klimmen?

Het is niet zo heel letterlijk bedoeld man. Snap dan wat het betekendt

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Op maandag 25 juni 2018 16:49 schreef Firewarrior het volgende:

Ik snap het wel.

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Overigens is de evolutietheorie een fictief verhaal die dat onmogelijk is.

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Ik lees geen prehistorische sprookjesboeken.

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Niet dat ik er problemen mee heb dat jij een bepaald geloof in de evolutie hebt

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Als atheïsten flink uithalen op religie, mag ik ook eens iets zeggen.

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Op maandag 25 juni 2018 16:49 schreef Firewarrior het volgende:

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Ik snap het wel. Overigens is de evolutietheorie een fictief verhaal die onmogelijk is. Ik lees geen prehistorische sprookjesboeken. Niet dat ik er problemen mee heb dat jij een bepaald geloof in de evolutie hebt, maar dat is hoe ik het zie. Als atheïsten flink uithalen op religie, mag ik ook eens iets zeggen.