[POLCAFE #7105] Beroepslegers

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Op vrijdag 14 april 2017 01:59 schreef Whiskers2009 het volgende:
Waar halen jullie die bullshit vandaan?

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Op vrijdag 14 april 2017 02:05 schreef Whiskers2009 het volgende:

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Ik had het niet tegen jou liefje.

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Even more remarkable than instances of posturing, and equally indisputable, is the fact that
a significant number of soldiers in combat elect not even to fire over the enemy's head, but
instead do not fire at all. In this respect their actions very much resemble the actions of those
members of the animal kingdom who "submit" passively to the aggression and determination of
their opponent rather than fleeing, fighting, or posturing.
We have previously observed General S. L. A. Marshall's findings concerning the 15 to 20
percent firing rates of U.S. soldiers in World War II. Both Marshall and Dyer note that the
dispersion of the modern battlefield was probably a major factor in this low firing rate, and
dispersion is indeed one factor in a complex equation of restraints and enabling mechanisms.
Yet Marshall noted that even in situations where there were several riflemen together in a
position facing an advancing enemy, only one was likely to fire while the others would tend to
such "vital" tasks as running messages, providing ammo, tending wounded, and spotting
targets. Marshall makes it clear that in most cases the firers were aware of the large body of
nonfirers around them. The inaction of these passive individuals did not seem to have a
demoralizing effect on actual firers. To the contrary, the presence of the nonfirers seemed to
enable the firers to keep going.

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Op vrijdag 14 april 2017 02:06 schreef skysherrif het volgende:

2. Absolutism and the State

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Op vrijdag 14 april 2017 02:10 schreef skysherrif het volgende:

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Als ik toch een paar vietcong tegenover me had en ik zat daar voor m'n leven te schieten zou ik het neit echt waarderen als degene naast me slechts "pang pang" aan het roepen was.

Bizar, maar wss ervaar je dat op het moment zelf anders.

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Author of the Civil War Collector's Encyclopedia F. A. Lord tells us that after the Battle of
Gettysburg, 27,574 muskets were recovered from the battlefield. Of these, nearly 90 percent
(twenty-four thousand) were loaded. Twelve thousand of these loaded muskets were found to
be loaded more than once, and six thousand of the multiply loaded weapons had from three to
ten rounds loaded in the barrel. One weapon had been loaded twenty-three times. Why, then,
were there so many loaded weapons available on the battlefield, and why did at least twelve
thousand soldiers misload their weapons in combat?
A loaded weapon was a precious commodity on the black-powder battlefield. During the
stand-up, face-to-face, short-range battles of this era a weapon should have been loaded for
only a fraction of the time in battle. More than 95 percent of the time was spent in loading the
weapon, and less than 5 percent in firing it. If most soldiers were desperately attempting to kill
as quickly and efficiently as they could, then 95 percent should have been shot with an empty
weapon in their hand, and any loaded, cocked, and primed weapon available dropped on the
battlefield would have been snatched up from wounded or dead comrades and fired. There
were many who were shot while charging the enemy or were casualties of artillery outside of
musket .range, and these individuals would never have had an opportunity to fire their weapons,
but they hardly represent 95 percent of all casualties. If there is a desperate need in all soldiers
to fire their weapon in combat, then many of these men should have died with an empty
weapon. And as the ebb and flow of battle passed over these weapons, many of them should
have been picked up and fired at the enemy.
The obvious conclusion is that most soldiers were not trying to kill the enemy. Most of them
appear to have not even wanted to fire in the enemy's general direction.

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Op vrijdag 14 april 2017 02:15 schreef skysherrif het volgende:

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Die schoten dus ook allemaal mis?
Wel raar, komt natuurlijk ook een beetje door de westerse indoctrinatie, maar als ik aan vietcong denk, denk ik totaal niet aan mensen met enige vergevingsgezindheid of medelijden.

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Op vrijdag 14 april 2017 02:19 schreef skysherrif het volgende:

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"Mensen"

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Some leaders choose to fight to their deaths, taking their men with them in a blaze of glory.
In many ways it is easier for the leader if he can die quickly and cleanly with his men and need
never live with what he has done. One of the more striking of such situations is that of Major
James Devereux, the commander of the U.S. Marines defending Wake Island. The small marine
detachment on Wake held out against overwhelming Japanese forces from December 8 to
December 22, 1941. The last message sent out before Devereux and his men were
overwhelmed was received by radio telegraphy and said simply:
S...E...N...D....M...O...R...E....J...A...P...S...

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Op vrijdag 14 april 2017 08:25 schreef Leandra het volgende:

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Valt er nog wat te lachen? Alles teruglezen is ook weer zoiets.

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Op vrijdag 14 april 2017 08:38 schreef Leandra het volgende:

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Oh, same shit, different story.

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Op vrijdag 14 april 2017 08:42 schreef Leandra het volgende:

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Je weet het niet hè, witte donderdag, goede vrijdag, dingen kunnen zo ineens anders zijn.