Brexit-referendum, 23 juni 2016 (Deel 15)

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Op zaterdag 2 juli 2016 12:45 schreef Nintex het volgende:

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May gaat er met dezelfde instelling in, maar in tegenstelling tot Johnson legt zij de rechten van EU burgers om in de UK te blijven op de onderhandelingstafel.

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SamCoatesTimes twitterde op donderdag 30-06-2016 om 11:47:25 T May has thrown into the mix the right of EU migrants currently in UK to stay here. Says negotiation with EU will determine this. <<Sig reageer retweet

Behoorlijk wat arbeidsmigranten uit Polen e.d. in de UK. De EU moet met een voorstel komen dat voor alle lidstaten acceptabel is. Dat gaat nogal moeilijk worden. De UK hoeft alleen de poot stijf te houden op sommige punten en op andere een beetje toe te geven.

Vergis je niet dat zijn 3 miljoen mensen die ze dan terugsturen.
https://fullfact.org/immigration/eu-migration-and-uk/


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Op zaterdag 2 juli 2016 12:45 schreef Nintex het volgende:

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SamCoatesTimes twitterde op donderdag 30-06-2016 om 11:47:25 T May has thrown into the mix the right of EU migrants currently in UK to stay here. Says negotiation with EU will determine this. <<Sig reageer retweet

Behoorlijk wat arbeidsmigranten uit Polen e.d. in de UK. De EU moet met een voorstel komen dat voor alle lidstaten acceptabel is. Dat gaat nogal moeilijk worden. De UK hoeft alleen de poot stijf te houden op sommige punten en op andere een beetje toe te geven.

Vergis je niet dat zijn 3 miljoen mensen die ze dan terugsturen.
https://fullfact.org/immigration/eu-migration-and-uk/


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Op zaterdag 2 juli 2016 12:51 schreef Igen het volgende:

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Als de EU het onderling niet eens wordt, dan draait het erop uit dat alles wat op de interne markt gebaseerd is vervalt. Dat betekent dat Britse financiële instellingen in Londen hun markttoegang tot de EU verliezen, Engelse gepensioneerden in Spanje en Engelse studenten in Maastricht hun verblijfsrecht verliezen en er weer importheffingen worden geheven op Engelse producten die in Europa verkocht worden. (En de Britse regering kan als wraak daarvoor dan ook importheffingen instellen en EU-immigranten zoals Poolse aspergestekers en Nederlandse wetenschappers wegsturen.)

Dát is het standaardscenario en alles wat daarvan afwijkt moet unaniem door alle 27 EU-lidstaten door het EP en een gekwalificeerde meerderheid van de andere 27 EU-lidstaten gesteund worden.

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Op zaterdag 2 juli 2016 11:48 schreef KingRadler het volgende:
heb het al eerder gezegd volgens mij gaat Brexit wel meevallen.
Eurofielen zijn daar ontzettend bang voor, en gaan lopen schreeuwen oh Brexit is zo erg.
Over 1 jaar zien we het resultaat en daar is EU bang voor.
Dan is er een mogelijkheid dat meer landen volgen.

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Op zaterdag 2 juli 2016 12:45 schreef Nintex het volgende:

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May gaat er met dezelfde instelling in, maar in tegenstelling tot Johnson legt zij de rechten van EU burgers om in de UK te blijven op de onderhandelingstafel.

twitter:

SamCoatesTimes twitterde op donderdag 30-06-2016 om 11:47:25 T May has thrown into the mix the right of EU migrants currently in UK to stay here. Says negotiation with EU will determine this. <<Sig reageer retweet

Behoorlijk wat arbeidsmigranten uit Polen e.d. in de UK. De EU moet met een voorstel komen dat voor alle lidstaten acceptabel is. Dat gaat nogal moeilijk worden. De UK hoeft alleen de poot stijf te houden op sommige punten en op andere een beetje toe te geven.

Vergis je niet dat zijn 3 miljoen mensen die ze dan terugsturen.
https://fullfact.org/immigration/eu-migration-and-uk/


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Op zaterdag 2 juli 2016 13:07 schreef Wombcat het volgende:

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Ik had zelfs gelezen door alle afzonderlijk parlementen van de lidstaten. Inclusief het parlement van het duitstalige deel van België.

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Op zaterdag 2 juli 2016 14:38 schreef eriksd het volgende:
http://www.telegraph.co.u(...)-the-cuckoo-nest-pl/

Artikel over waarom Johnson de aftocht moest blazen.

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In the run-up to the 2015 election, one of the handicaps David Cameron had to finesse was the fact that net migration to the UK was three times as high as he had promised it would be. Remarkably, none of the opprobrium this failure provoked brought forth the name of Theresa May, the cabinet minister actually entrusted with bringing migration down. Then, as now, it was as if the icy Home Secretary had a dark magic that warded off all critical scrutiny.

The fact that her lead role in this fiasco went unnoticed and unmentioned likely reflects Mrs May’s brilliant, all-consuming efforts to burnish her image with a view to become prime minister.

After all, Mrs May’s tenure as Home Secretary has been little better than disastrous – a succession of derelictions that has left Britain’s borders and coastline at least as insecure as they were in 2010, and which mean that British governments still rely on guesswork to estimate how many people enter and leave the country.
People find this hard to credit because she exudes determination and strength. Compared to many of her bland, flabby cabinet colleagues, she has real gravitas. And few who follow British politics would deny that she is a deadly political infighter. Indeed Theresa May is to Westminster what Cersei Lannister is to Westeros in Game of Thrones: no one who challenges her survives undamaged, while the welfare of the realm is of secondary concern.

Take the demoralised, underfunded UK Border Force. As the public discovered after a people-smugglers’ vessel ran aground in May, it has has only three cutters protecting 7,700 miles of coastline. Italy by contrast has 600 boats patrolling its 4722 miles.

Considering the impression Mrs May gives of being serious about security, it’s all the more astonishing that she has also allowed the UK’s small airfields to go unpatrolled – despite the vastly increased terrorist threat of the last few years, the onset of the migration crisis, and the emergence of smuggling networks that traffic people, drugs and arms.

Then there is the failure to establish exit checks at all the country’s airports and ports. These were supposed to be in place by March 2015.

Unfortunately the Border Force isn’t the only organisation under Mrs May’s control that is manifestly unfit for purpose. Recent years have seen a cavalcade of Home Office decisions about visas and deportations that suggest a department with a bizarre sense of the national interest.

The most infamous was the refusal of visas to Afghan interpreters who served with the British forces in Afghanistan – as Lord Guthrie said, a national shame.

Mrs May has kept so quiet about this and other scandals – such as the collapse of the eBorders IT system, at cost of almost a billion pounds – that you might imagine someone else was in charge the Home Office.

[It’s not just a matter of the odd error. Yvette Cooper pointed out in 2013 that despite Coalition rhetoric, the number of people refused entry to the UK had dropped by 50 per cent, the backlog of finding failed asylum seekers had gone up and the number of illegal immigrants deported had gone down.]

The reputation for effectiveness that Mrs May nevertheless enjoys derives from a single, endlessly cited event: the occasion in 2014 when she delivered some harsh truths to a conference of the Police Federation.

Unfortunately this was an isolated incident that, given the lack of any subsequent (or previous) effort at police reform, seems to have been intended mainly for public consumption.

In general Mrs May has avoided taking on the most serious institutional problems that afflict British policing. These include a disturbing willingness by some forces to let public relations concerns determine policing priorities, widespread overreliance on CCTV, the widespread propensity to massage crime numbers, the extreme risk aversion manifested during the London riots, and the preference for diverting police resources to patrol social media rather than the country’s streets.

There is also little evidence that Mrs May has paid much attention to the failure of several forces to protect vulnerable girls from the ethnically-motivated sexual predation seen in Rotherham and elsewhere. Nor, despite her supposed feminism, has Mrs May’s done much to ensure that girls from certain ethnic groups are protected from forced marriage and genital mutilation. But again, Mrs May has managed to evade criticism for this.

When considering her suitability for party leadership, it’s also worth remembering Mrs May’s notorious “lack of collegiality”.

David Laws’ memoirs paint a vivid picture of a secretive, rigid, controlling, even vengeful minister, so unpleasant to colleagues that a dread of meetings with her was something that cabinet members from both parties could bond over.

Unsurprisingly, Mrs May’s overwhelming concern with taking credit and deflecting blame made for a difficult working relationship with her department, just as her propensity for briefing the press against cabinet colleagues made her its most disliked member in two successive governments.

It is possible that Mrs May’s intimidating ruthlessness could make her the right person to negotiate with EU leaders. However, there’s little in her record to suggest she possesses either strong negotiation skills or the ability to win allies among other leaders, unlike Michael Gove, of whom David Laws wrote “it was possible to disagree with him but impossible to dislike him,”

It’s surely about time – and not too late – for conservatives to look behind Mrs May’s carefully-wrought image and consider if she really is the right person to lead the party and the country.

There’s a vast gulf between being effective in office, and being effective at promoting yourself; it’s not one that Theresa May has yet crossed.

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Op zaterdag 2 juli 2016 14:38 schreef eriksd het volgende:
http://www.telegraph.co.u(...)-the-cuckoo-nest-pl/

Artikel over waarom Johnson de aftocht moest blazen.

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Op zaterdag 2 juli 2016 14:38 schreef eriksd het volgende:
http://www.telegraph.co.u(...)-the-cuckoo-nest-pl/

Artikel over waarom Johnson de aftocht moest blazen.

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Op zondag 3 juli 2016 00:20 schreef Nintex het volgende:

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Het aparte is wel dat Gove met deze bizarre actie 0 resultaat heeft bereikt. Hij loopt ver achter op andere kandidaten en heeft praktisch geen kans om te winnen. Daarnaast zal niemand hem ooit meer vertrouwen.

Boris daarentegen kan de storm afwachten en bij de volgende verkiezingen altijd nog een comeback maken.

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Op zaterdag 2 juli 2016 14:08 schreef Slayage het volgende:
wat is deze?

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