[Centraal] Crisis in Syri� #222

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Russian President Vladimir Putin met on Wednesday Deputy Prime Minister, Foreign and Expatriates Minister Walid al-Moallem in Sochi, Russia.

A statement by Kremlin said talks during the meeting dealt with Russian-Syrian relations.

Later, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov discussed with al-Moallem the bilateral relations between Syria and Russia.

Following talks, al-Moallem expressed satisfaction over the outcomes of his talks with President Putin and Minister Lavrov, announcing that President Putin affirmed Russia’s determination to cooperate with Syria and with President Bashar al-Assad in order to defeat terrorism and deepen the strategic partnership relations between both countries.

Al-Moallem said, at a press conference with Lavrov, the talks dealt with “the situation in the region and the conspiracy against Syria, that became well-known to all, by Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey” clarifying that he affirmed to the Russian leadership the Syrian peoples’ determination to combat terrorism.

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Op donderdag 27 november 2014 13:41 schreef Atak het volgende:

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PKK/YPG worden gebruikt als kanonnenvoer totdat het FSA leger klaar is. Hoe verklaar je dat het FSA allerlei zware wapens krijgen en training in Qatar en Turkije terwijl PKK helemaal niks krijgt? Daden spreken harder dan woorden.

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Op donderdag 27 november 2014 13:45 schreef mylamboisblack het volgende:
Rusland gaat haar banden(oftewel haar grip) met (haar vazalstaat) Syrie versterken. Zelfde geldt voor Iran. Ziet er dus naar uit dat Syrie gewoon weer van de Ba'athisten zal worden.

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http://www.sana.sy/en/?p=19607

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Op donderdag 27 november 2014 13:47 schreef Atak het volgende:

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Lekker betrouwbare bron . Iran en Rusland hebben hun handen vol. Rusland met NATO en de EU. En Iran met de VS. NATO heeft in principe vrijhand in Syri�. Het FSA zal uiteindelijk voor het zeggen hebben als je kijkt hoeveel er getraind wordt.

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Op donderdag 27 november 2014 13:53 schreef mylamboisblack het volgende:
Wel ironisch dat Iran het meeste baat heeft gehad bij ISIS. Zuid-Irak en Zuid-Syrie zijn vazalstaten geworden van Iran.

Misschien ben ik wel gek, maar het zou zomaar kunnen dat Iran ISIS een warm handje toedraagt.

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Op donderdag 27 november 2014 13:31 schreef Atak het volgende:

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Nou haal je bepaalde dingen door elkaar. Je moet toch zorgvuldiger lezen. In principe zegt Duitsland. Er is geen verschil tussen PKK terroristen en ISIS. Beide zijn gelabeld als terreurorganisaties. Het FSA is niet zo gelabeld. Sorry.

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Op donderdag 27 november 2014 13:58 schreef UpsideDown het volgende:

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Nou haal je bepaalde dingen door elkaar. Je moet toch zorgvuldiger lezen. Dit zegt ene Philip Missfelder, niet de Duitse regering. Dat is hetzelfde als Zijlstra of van Ojik hier wat roepen.

Plus dat je een Turkse bron hebt, als wij met Koerdische of Syrische bronnen aan zouden komen zou je gelijk op je achterste poten staan.

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Misschien ben ik wel gek

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Op donderdag 27 november 2014 14:04 schreef Atak het volgende:

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Kan je lezen

"Addressing the Bundestag on Wednesday, Chancellor Angela Merkel's foreign-policy spokesman Missfelder said: "I am very happy that we have a red line towards PKK and also we have not put any weapons at PKK's disposal against the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant."

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Reuters) - At a desert base, Gulf state Qatar is covertly training moderate Syrian rebels with U.S. help to fight both President Bashar al-Assad and Islamic State and may include more overtly Islamist insurgent groups, sources close to the matter say.

The camp, south of the capital between Saudi Arabia's border and Al Udeid, the largest U.S. air base in the Middle East, is being used to train the Free Syrian Army (FSA) and other moderate rebels, the sources said.

Reuters could not independently identify the participants in the programme or witness activity inside the base, which lies in a military zone guarded by Qatari special forces and marked on signposts as a restricted area.

But Syrian rebel sources said training in Qatar has included rebels affiliated to the “Free Syrian Army” from northern Syria.

The sources said the effort had been running for nearly a year, although it was too small to have a significant impact on the battlefield, and some rebels complained of not being taught advanced techniques.

The training is in line with Qatar's self-image as a champion of Arab Spring uprisings and Doha has made no secret of its hatred of Assad.

Small groups of 12 to 20 fighters are identified in Syria and screened by the Central Intelligence Agency, the sources said.

Once cleared of links with "terrorist" factions, they travel to Turkey and are then flown to Doha and driven to the base.

GROUND FORCE

"The U.S. wanted to help the rebels oust Assad but didn't want to be open about their support, so to have rebels trained in Qatar is a good idea, the problem is the scale is too small," said a Western source in Doha.

The CIA declined to comment, as did Qatar's foreign ministry and an FSA spokesman in Turkey.

It is not clear whether the Qatari programme is coordinated with a strategy of Western and Gulf countries to turn disparate non-Islamist rebel groups into a force to combat the militants.

Such efforts have been hampered by Western hesitancy about providing significant military aid, because it could end up with extremists. Gulf states dislike the West's emphasis on fighting Islamic State. Assad is the bigger problem, they say.

"Moderate rebels from the FSA and other groups have been flown in to get trained in things like ambush techniques," said a source close to the Qatari government who asked not to be named due to the sensitivity of the topic.

"The training would last a few months, maybe two or three, and then a new group would be flown in, but no lethal weapons were supplied to them," one of the sources said.

SCREENING PROCESS

As the war against Assad has dragged on, frustrated rebels asked their trainers for more advanced techniques, such as building improvised explosive devices (IEDs), requests which were always denied.

"They complain a lot and say that going back they need more weapons or more training in IEDs but that's not something that's given to them," said a Qatar-based defence source.

The Qatar project was conceived before the declaration of the hardline Islamic State, when militants belonging to its predecessor organisation were not regarded as an international security threat.

The group's rise in Syria and Iraq has hampered the rebellion: Moderate groups cannot fight Assad when the better-armed Islamic State seeks their destruction as it strives to build its "caliphate".

In recent weeks, the Qataris, disappointed by lack of progress in the fight against Assad, have started to consider training members of the Islamic Front, a coalition of Islamist rebels less militant than Islamic State or the al Qaeda-linked Nusra Front, but stronger than the FSA.

None have been trained as yet, but Qatar has sought to identify candidates, the sources say.

Some analysts say screening Islamic Front fighters would be harder than FSA rebels, since some Islamists have switched between various groups.

ISLAMIST NETWORK

Training fighters from Islamic groups could displease fellow Gulf state the United Arab Emirates, which dislikes Qatar's support for the Muslim Brotherhood's international Islamist network.

But Saudi Arabia, which shares the UAE's mistrust of the Brotherhood, is more indulgent of moderate Islamist forces when it comes to fighting Assad, diplomats say.

Asked about the Qatari training, a Saudi defence source said: "We are not aware of this training camp, but there's one thing we agree on: Assad needs to go and we would not oppose any action taken towards that goal."

To Qatar, ousting Assad remains a priority and youthful Emir Sheikh Tamim has said that military efforts to tackle Islamic State will not work while the Syrian president remains in power.

A source who works with rebel groups said Qatar had delivered weapons, mostly mortar bombs, to the Islamic Front and some FSA brigades about two months ago and had paid some salaries for Islamic Front groups.

http://uk.reuters.com/art(...)dUKKCN0JA1C220141126

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Op donderdag 27 november 2014 14:08 schreef Atak het volgende:

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Op donderdag 27 november 2014 14:11 schreef Atak het volgende:
Gaat de juiste richting op. Geen woorden maar daden.

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Op donderdag 27 november 2014 14:12 schreef UpsideDown het volgende:

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Dit postte ik gisteren al, toen zij je nog dat het onzin was.

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Op donderdag 27 november 2014 14:13 schreef Atak het volgende:

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En Reuters is dus ook geen goeie bron? Wat is dan wel goed? KurdistanNews.com?

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Turkey says FSA must be equipped and trained to rule in Kobani
This comes as no surprise. As I had stated on a Press TV interview last week, I expected the Turks to agree to let Kurdish reinforcements in, but would then tie the process up with “details” to drag it out to make time to push for what they really want.

Turkish PM Davutoglu tells us below that they will cooperate with air basing and putting FSA cannon fodder ground troops in to use against Assad.

So he wants to fight ISIL and Assad at the same time, and we are only talking 5000 newly trained FSA fighters over the first year, per Congressional testimony.

Dag’s solution to “saving” Kobani is to move a few hundred FAS people in and have them in effect be the guards of Kobani, which of course will not make the Kurds there very happy. And for leverage, we now hear that the Peshmerga coming in from Iraq will not be allowed to put troops in, only artillery support, which will be a big help.

But the Turks have shown all of their cards now. It is “our way, or the highway.” This is quite a hoot, as this move would keep the border open and under Erdogan’s control to supply both the FSA and ISIL, while pretending to be part of the coalition to wipe ISIL out. You just can’t make this stuff up!
http://www.veteranstoday.(...)d-to-rule-in-kobani/

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Op donderdag 27 november 2014 13:57 schreef Peunage het volgende:

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Er wordt al jaren geroepen dat Zuid-Irak een Iraanse provincie is geworden. Heel het zuiden zou vol hangen van foto's van Iraanse Ayatollahs en Iraanse vlaggen, iedereen zou Perzisch spreken en mensen betalen met de Iraanse Tuman/Rial. Niks van waar. Zo ook met Syrie en Libanon. Iran heeft als regionale macht belangen, en die verdedigen ze gewoon. Daarnaast zorgen ze voor de veiligheid van sjiieten in de regio.

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Op donderdag 27 november 2014 14:08 schreef UpsideDown het volgende:

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Ondertussen gaat Duitsland gewoon door met het leveren van wapens en het trainen van Koerdische strijders. Dus zo spannend is het allemaal niet.

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Op donderdag 27 november 2014 14:18 schreef Atak het volgende:
Ouch! Al dat vechten helemaal voor niks

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Op donderdag 27 november 2014 14:18 schreef Atak het volgende:
Ouch! Al dat vechten helemaal voor niks

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Op donderdag 27 november 2014 14:22 schreef mylamboisblack het volgende:

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Veterans today! De site die een leugen in de wereld verspreidde dat Al-Baghdadi, Shimon Eliott zou heten.

Jij bent echt niet meer serieus te nemen, 0.0% kritisch.

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Op donderdag 27 november 2014 14:22 schreef mylamboisblack het volgende:

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Veterans today! De site die een leugen in de wereld verspreidde dat Al-Baghdadi, Shimon Eliott zou heten.

Jij bent echt niet meer serieus te nemen, 0.0% kritisch.

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Op donderdag 27 november 2014 14:24 schreef Atak het volgende:
Ziet ernaar uit dat PKK/YPG terroristen bespeeld worden hehe. Eerst als kanonnenvoer worden gebruikt en straks als het FSA leger klaar is wordt het uit hun hangen gepakt alsof je snoep van een kleuter afpakt. Tja, dat konden ze wel verwachten. Als je geen toestemming vraagt van Turkije en het FSA (die ze toch niet zouden krijgen) dan ga je bespeeld worden en als kanonnenvoer gebruikt worden want niemand wil een communistische terreurstaat.

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Op donderdag 27 november 2014 14:18 schreef mylamboisblack het volgende:

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Ik heb zelf nooit geroepen dat Zuid-Irak een vazalstaat van Iran is geworden, tot voor kort. Alles wijst erop: Iraakse politici die alleen nog maar positief over Iran spreken, de anti-Amerikaanse sentimenten van Irak, de Iraanse commandanten die sji'itische milities leiden.

In Syrie vecht Iran zelfs gewoon direct mee. Daar is bewijsmateriaal voor geleverd.

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Op donderdag 27 november 2014 14:27 schreef UpsideDown het volgende:

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Je hebt nog poep in je ogen zeker?

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A delegation from the Afrin Canton has held high level talks at the European Parliament.

The delegation, led by Afrin Canton Prime Minister Hevi Mustafa includes Foreign Minister S�leyman Cafer, Deputy Foreign Minister Cihan Muhammed and PYD European Executive Committee member Ibrahim Ibrahim. The HDP’s Council of Europe representative Faik Yağızay accompanied the delegation.

The Afrin Canton delegation held many meetings, including with the head of the European Parliament’s Foreign Relations Commission, Elmar Brok, Left Group President Gaby Zimmer and Green Group Co-President Rebecca Harms.

The delegation explained the inhumane measures perpetrated by gangs such as ISIS and the Al Nusra Front, and the effects of the de facto embargo on Afrin canton. They also explained the model of democratic autonomy created with different identities and communities and what they expect from Europe as they face threats and dangers.

The delegation issued a statement saying they had been received with great interest.

Following their meetings the delegation met people from Kurdistan at the Mesopotamia Culture Centre yesterday evening

The Afrin canton delegation is expected to continue its meetings today.

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Op donderdag 27 november 2014 14:29 schreef Peunage het volgende:

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Iraakse sjiitische politici zijn zo verdeeld als ze maar kunnen zijn. Dat heeft niets met Iran te maken maar dat is zeker niet iets wat Iran zou willen. Anti-Amerikaanse senti-menten hebben niks met Iran te maken, die sentimenten waren er altijd al. En sjiitische milities hebben geen Iraanse commandanten. Ze zullen vast wel steun krijgen van Iran, geld, kennis, etc. Maar de leiders van de milities zijn grotendeels bekend en het zijn gewoon Irakezen. Het is gewoon propaganda om Iran zwart te maken. Terwijl ze grotendeels een positief effect op Irak hebben gehad, vergeleken met de buurlanden.

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Op donderdag 27 november 2014 14:48 schreef Atak het volgende:
Er zijn geen Assyri�rs of Arabieren in PKK/YPG. Laatst was het nog in het nieuws dat ze Arabieren vermoordden die niet mee wouden doen met zo'n communistische terroristische groepering.

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Syriacs and Kurds shared similar grievances under the thumb of Baathist pan-Arabism, and the recent rebellion has prompted their political parties to strike an unwritten alliance to maintain their distance from the regime as well as the opposition. The backlash of this decision, however, could be the further entrenchment of sectarian divisions, thus serving the regime's interest in keeping minorities away from the opposition by bestowing concessions upon them.

“Is this a checkpoint of the Free Syrian Army [FSA]?” a worried Christian woman asked on a bus traveling between Amuda and Ras al-Ain. “No, don't worry. It belongs to the [Kurdish] YPG [Popular Protection Units],” replied her husband. Christians tend to feel reassured by the presence of Kurdish militias, and the Democratic Union Party (PYD), the main

Arab YPG fighter in Rojava 06/03/2014

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According to local sources inside Syria's Kurdish "Rojava" region, however, 10 American citizens as well as hundreds of non-Kurdish volunteers comprising Syrian Arabs, Turkish citizens and Europeans have already joined the People's Protection Units (YPG) fighting against IS jihadists.

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Op donderdag 27 november 2014 15:04 schreef Atak het volgende:
Als ik een Koerd zou zijn had ik mij aangesloten bij het FSA. Dan heb je tenminste kans om te overleven en een grote kans dat je je aansluit aan het winnende kant.

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Op donderdag 27 november 2014 15:07 schreef IsaacCuenca het volgende:
Een assyrier, is dat het tegenovergestelde van een syrier?

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Op donderdag 27 november 2014 15:07 schreef IsaacCuenca het volgende:
Een assyrier, is dat het tegenovergestelde van een syrier?

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Op donderdag 27 november 2014 15:07 schreef IsaacCuenca het volgende:
Een assyrier, is dat het tegenovergestelde van een syrier?

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Op donderdag 27 november 2014 15:11 schreef Atak het volgende:

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Assyri�rs zijn de oorspronkelijke inwoners van Syri�. Koerden hadden een genocide gepleegd op hen. Daarom mogen ze Koerden helemaal niet. Al helemaal gek om te beweren dat ze voor Koerden gaan vechten zoals sommige gekkies hier doen.

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De Assyrische genocide is een volkerenmoord gepleegd op de Assyri�rs/Aramee�rs in het Ottomaanse Rijk tijdens de Eerste Wereldoorlog en onder leiding van de beweging der Jonge Turken.

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Op donderdag 27 november 2014 15:07 schreef IsaacCuenca het volgende:
Een assyrier, is dat het tegenovergestelde van een syrier?

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Many Assyrians were subjected to Kurdish brigandage and even outright massacre and forced conversion to Islam, as was the case of the Assyrians of Hakkari during the massacres of Badr Khan in the 1840s and the Massacres of Diyarbakır during the 1895–96 Hamidian Massacres.

Assyrians Demand Kurdish Apology for Last Century Killings
By Judit Neurink 19/8/2013
An ancient Assyrian monastery in the Kurdistan Region. Photo by Judit Neurink
An ancient Assyrian monastery in the Kurdistan Region. Photo by Judit Neurink



ERBIL, Kurdistan Region – The American Mesopotamian Organization (AMO) is demanding an official apology from Kurdistan President Massoud Barzani for the murder of Assyrians by Kurds in the past. Thousands of Assyrian Christians were killed in the region in the last century.

“Just as the Kurdish try to get recognition for the Kurdish genocide, we ask them to accept their responsibility for the killings of the Assyrians in this region,” says David William Lazar, head of the AMO in Los Angeles.

Many of the Assyrians were killed by Kurdish troops working with the Ottomans and later the Iraqi Kingdom, he says. “Compare how the German government later took responsibility for the Holocaust under the Nazis.”

Lazar leads one of the political groups that together represent around half a million Assyrians living in the United States, and lobbies with American politicians for their rights and the recognition of the Assyrian genocide of 1915.

His organization recently made the news when it furiously deplored a message from Barzani on the occasion of the Assyrian Martyrs Remembrance Day on August 7 -- the first time that Barzani sent such a message -- on the 80th birthday of the Semile massacre.

The massacre was ordered in 1933 by the Iraqi government under King Faysal, and conducted by a Kurdish general, Bakr Sidqi. It did not only hit Semile but dozens of other Assyrian villages in the region between Duhok and Zakho.

The death toll was officially put at 600, but unofficially at 3,000. Thousands of Assyrians fled the country, and the head of the Assyrian Church of the East was forced into exile. Even today, the church is led from the American city of Chicago.

In his message, Barzani expressed his “heartfelt consolation to the victims of that savage, dreadful massacre which the Iraqi regime carried out at that time.”

He added that the August 7, 1933 catastrophe in the Semile area “is not erased from memory and is evidence of the fact that all the constituents of Kurdistan equally opposed the catastrophes, the lack of acknowledgement and the oppression.”

Lazar calls that message offensive.

“He (Barzani) called us Kurdistani components,” he says from his home in Los Angeles. “We are a proud nation of thousands of years. Kurdification of our ethnicity is unacceptable,” he adds, saying it “is a continuation of Arabization” that happened under ousted dictator Saddam Hussein.

Lazar expresses fear that the Kurds want to “eradicate our Assyrian identity and culture.” He objects to the fact that the KRG calls Assyrians “Christian Kurds,” while they are ethnically not Kurdish at all. “Don’t call us Christians, which is our faith. Our ethnic background is Assyrian.”

One of the aims of his organization is the creation of an autonomous state for the Assyrians on the Nineveh Plains between Mosul and Duhok. That is one of the so-called disputed areas, governed by Baghdad but which the Kurdish Region wants to add to its map.

It is already under Kurdish administrative and military control, and the KRG has offered to make the Assyrian dream come true under its rule. It has even placed a clause on the issue in Kurdistan’s draft constitution.

But Lazar stresses that the new Assyrian province should be tied to Baghdad, and formed under article 140 of the Iraqi constitution. A proposal for five new Iraqi provinces is already on the table in Baghdad, including Nineveh. “We believe in a unified Iraq, we want to keep the country one,” Lazar says.

He says that he plans a trip to Iraqi Kurdistan later in the year. “I have nothing against the Kurds. They are misinformed. We just want them to behave as civilized people and treat all citizens alike,” he adds.
http://rudaw.net/english/kurdistan/19082013

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Op donderdag 27 november 2014 15:17 schreef Atak het volgende:

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De Turken hadden nog geprobeerd de Assyri�rs te redden maar dat is niet altijd gelukt tevergeefs. Heel veel Assyriers zijn gedood door Koerden voor hun geld, land en vrouwen. Daarom haten Assyiers de Koerden heel erg.

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Op donderdag 27 november 2014 15:07 schreef IsaacCuenca het volgende:
Een assyrier, is dat het tegenovergestelde van een syrier?

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The Ottoman Empire began massacring Assyrians in the nineteenth century, a time of friendly relations between the Ottomans and the British, who were defending the Ottomans from the Russian Empire's efforts to include under its protection the communities of Ottoman Orthodox Christians.[3] In October 1914, the Ottoman Empire began deporting and massacring Assyrians and Armenians in Van.[3] After attacking Russian cities and declaring war on Britain and France, the Empire declared a holy war on Christians.[3] The German Kaiser and the German Ambassador to the Ottoman Empire directed and orchestrated the holy war, and financed the Ottomans' war against the Russian Empire.[3]

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EjmAlrai twitterde op donderdag 27-11-2014 om 14:47:22 Media in Syria saying an explosion in #IslamicState HQ in Mayadeen #DeirEzzor w / o information on casualties. #Syria reageer retweet

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EjmAlrai twitterde op donderdag 27-11-2014 om 14:58:01 #JAN initiated an attack against #Nubl and #Zahraa a few hours ago but had to pull out. This is the second failed attack today. #Syria reageer retweet

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EjmAlrai twitterde op donderdag 27-11-2014 om 15:09:41 #JAN was trying to close the main highway Al-Salam between Damascus and Daraa. Attack unsuccessful. Seems #JAN is not lucky today. #Syria. reageer retweet

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PetoLucem twitterde op donderdag 27-11-2014 om 14:13:17 Loy.s.: #SAA forces have eliminated #Nusra field commander Hamze Mahmoud Jamouss in #Shaykh_Miskin. #Daraa #Syria http://t.co/QoNpNqVzCb reageer retweet

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EjmAlrai twitterde op donderdag 27-11-2014 om 15:08:35 Abu Hamam al-jazrawi, a Saudi fighting with #JAN was killed by #SAA in Sheikh Miskeen, reef Daraa. #Syria. 1/ reageer retweet

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vmsalama twitterde op donderdag 27-11-2014 om 15:15:39 Residents in Iraqi city of #Mosul tell @AP that #IslamicState militants blocked the mobile phone signal to the town. Ppl say city in "chaos" reageer retweet

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Op donderdag 27 november 2014 15:35 schreef UpsideDown het volgende:

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PetoLucem twitterde op donderdag 27-11-2014 om 14:13:17 Loy.s.: #SAA forces have eliminated #Nusra field commander Hamze Mahmoud Jamouss in #Shaykh_Miskin. #Daraa #Syria http://t.co/QoNpNqVzCb reageer retweet

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EjmAlrai twitterde op donderdag 27-11-2014 om 15:08:35 Abu Hamam al-jazrawi, a Saudi fighting with #JAN was killed by #SAA in Sheikh Miskeen, reef Daraa. #Syria. 1/ reageer retweet

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Op donderdag 27 november 2014 15:40 schreef mylamboisblack het volgende:

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Saudi Arabie verliest wel steeds meer inwoners joh met al die dode Saudiers.

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Conflict_Report twitterde op donderdag 27-11-2014 om 15:14:17 A Syrian rebel T-55A is active in #Aleppo's Khalidiya district.https://t.co/2UNZYzXBQG#Syria http://t.co/oVelGIS3Im reageer retweet

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