[Centraal] Crisis in Syrië #222

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Russian President Vladimir Putin met on Wednesday Deputy Prime Minister, Foreign and Expatriates Minister Walid al-Moallem in Sochi, Russia.

A statement by Kremlin said talks during the meeting dealt with Russian-Syrian relations.

Later, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov discussed with al-Moallem the bilateral relations between Syria and Russia.

Following talks, al-Moallem expressed satisfaction over the outcomes of his talks with President Putin and Minister Lavrov, announcing that President Putin affirmed Russia’s determination to cooperate with Syria and with President Bashar al-Assad in order to defeat terrorism and deepen the strategic partnership relations between both countries.

Al-Moallem said, at a press conference with Lavrov, the talks dealt with “the situation in the region and the conspiracy against Syria, that became well-known to all, by Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey” clarifying that he affirmed to the Russian leadership the Syrian peoples’ determination to combat terrorism.

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Op donderdag 27 november 2014 13:41 schreef Atak het volgende:

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PKK/YPG worden gebruikt als kanonnenvoer totdat het FSA leger klaar is. Hoe verklaar je dat het FSA allerlei zware wapens krijgen en training in Qatar en Turkije terwijl PKK helemaal niks krijgt? Daden spreken harder dan woorden.

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Op donderdag 27 november 2014 13:45 schreef mylamboisblack het volgende:
Rusland gaat haar banden(oftewel haar grip) met (haar vazalstaat) Syrie versterken. Zelfde geldt voor Iran. Ziet er dus naar uit dat Syrie gewoon weer van de Ba'athisten zal worden.

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http://www.sana.sy/en/?p=19607

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Op donderdag 27 november 2014 13:47 schreef Atak het volgende:

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Lekker betrouwbare bron . Iran en Rusland hebben hun handen vol. Rusland met NATO en de EU. En Iran met de VS. NATO heeft in principe vrijhand in Syrië. Het FSA zal uiteindelijk voor het zeggen hebben als je kijkt hoeveel er getraind wordt.

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Op donderdag 27 november 2014 13:53 schreef mylamboisblack het volgende:
Wel ironisch dat Iran het meeste baat heeft gehad bij ISIS. Zuid-Irak en Zuid-Syrie zijn vazalstaten geworden van Iran.

Misschien ben ik wel gek, maar het zou zomaar kunnen dat Iran ISIS een warm handje toedraagt.

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Op donderdag 27 november 2014 13:31 schreef Atak het volgende:

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Nou haal je bepaalde dingen door elkaar. Je moet toch zorgvuldiger lezen. In principe zegt Duitsland. Er is geen verschil tussen PKK terroristen en ISIS. Beide zijn gelabeld als terreurorganisaties. Het FSA is niet zo gelabeld. Sorry.

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Op donderdag 27 november 2014 13:58 schreef UpsideDown het volgende:

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Nou haal je bepaalde dingen door elkaar. Je moet toch zorgvuldiger lezen. Dit zegt ene Philip Missfelder, niet de Duitse regering. Dat is hetzelfde als Zijlstra of van Ojik hier wat roepen.

Plus dat je een Turkse bron hebt, als wij met Koerdische of Syrische bronnen aan zouden komen zou je gelijk op je achterste poten staan.

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Misschien ben ik wel gek

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Op donderdag 27 november 2014 14:04 schreef Atak het volgende:

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Kan je lezen

"Addressing the Bundestag on Wednesday, Chancellor Angela Merkel's foreign-policy spokesman Missfelder said: "I am very happy that we have a red line towards PKK and also we have not put any weapons at PKK's disposal against the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant."

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Reuters) - At a desert base, Gulf state Qatar is covertly training moderate Syrian rebels with U.S. help to fight both President Bashar al-Assad and Islamic State and may include more overtly Islamist insurgent groups, sources close to the matter say.

The camp, south of the capital between Saudi Arabia's border and Al Udeid, the largest U.S. air base in the Middle East, is being used to train the Free Syrian Army (FSA) and other moderate rebels, the sources said.

Reuters could not independently identify the participants in the programme or witness activity inside the base, which lies in a military zone guarded by Qatari special forces and marked on signposts as a restricted area.

But Syrian rebel sources said training in Qatar has included rebels affiliated to the “Free Syrian Army” from northern Syria.

The sources said the effort had been running for nearly a year, although it was too small to have a significant impact on the battlefield, and some rebels complained of not being taught advanced techniques.

The training is in line with Qatar's self-image as a champion of Arab Spring uprisings and Doha has made no secret of its hatred of Assad.

Small groups of 12 to 20 fighters are identified in Syria and screened by the Central Intelligence Agency, the sources said.

Once cleared of links with "terrorist" factions, they travel to Turkey and are then flown to Doha and driven to the base.

GROUND FORCE

"The U.S. wanted to help the rebels oust Assad but didn't want to be open about their support, so to have rebels trained in Qatar is a good idea, the problem is the scale is too small," said a Western source in Doha.

The CIA declined to comment, as did Qatar's foreign ministry and an FSA spokesman in Turkey.

It is not clear whether the Qatari programme is coordinated with a strategy of Western and Gulf countries to turn disparate non-Islamist rebel groups into a force to combat the militants.

Such efforts have been hampered by Western hesitancy about providing significant military aid, because it could end up with extremists. Gulf states dislike the West's emphasis on fighting Islamic State. Assad is the bigger problem, they say.

"Moderate rebels from the FSA and other groups have been flown in to get trained in things like ambush techniques," said a source close to the Qatari government who asked not to be named due to the sensitivity of the topic.

"The training would last a few months, maybe two or three, and then a new group would be flown in, but no lethal weapons were supplied to them," one of the sources said.

SCREENING PROCESS

As the war against Assad has dragged on, frustrated rebels asked their trainers for more advanced techniques, such as building improvised explosive devices (IEDs), requests which were always denied.

"They complain a lot and say that going back they need more weapons or more training in IEDs but that's not something that's given to them," said a Qatar-based defence source.

The Qatar project was conceived before the declaration of the hardline Islamic State, when militants belonging to its predecessor organisation were not regarded as an international security threat.

The group's rise in Syria and Iraq has hampered the rebellion: Moderate groups cannot fight Assad when the better-armed Islamic State seeks their destruction as it strives to build its "caliphate".

In recent weeks, the Qataris, disappointed by lack of progress in the fight against Assad, have started to consider training members of the Islamic Front, a coalition of Islamist rebels less militant than Islamic State or the al Qaeda-linked Nusra Front, but stronger than the FSA.

None have been trained as yet, but Qatar has sought to identify candidates, the sources say.

Some analysts say screening Islamic Front fighters would be harder than FSA rebels, since some Islamists have switched between various groups.

ISLAMIST NETWORK

Training fighters from Islamic groups could displease fellow Gulf state the United Arab Emirates, which dislikes Qatar's support for the Muslim Brotherhood's international Islamist network.

But Saudi Arabia, which shares the UAE's mistrust of the Brotherhood, is more indulgent of moderate Islamist forces when it comes to fighting Assad, diplomats say.

Asked about the Qatari training, a Saudi defence source said: "We are not aware of this training camp, but there's one thing we agree on: Assad needs to go and we would not oppose any action taken towards that goal."

To Qatar, ousting Assad remains a priority and youthful Emir Sheikh Tamim has said that military efforts to tackle Islamic State will not work while the Syrian president remains in power.

A source who works with rebel groups said Qatar had delivered weapons, mostly mortar bombs, to the Islamic Front and some FSA brigades about two months ago and had paid some salaries for Islamic Front groups.

http://uk.reuters.com/art(...)dUKKCN0JA1C220141126

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Op donderdag 27 november 2014 14:08 schreef Atak het volgende:

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Op donderdag 27 november 2014 14:11 schreef Atak het volgende:
Gaat de juiste richting op. Geen woorden maar daden.

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Op donderdag 27 november 2014 14:12 schreef UpsideDown het volgende:

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Dit postte ik gisteren al, toen zij je nog dat het onzin was.

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Op donderdag 27 november 2014 14:13 schreef Atak het volgende:

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En Reuters is dus ook geen goeie bron? Wat is dan wel goed? KurdistanNews.com?

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Turkey says FSA must be equipped and trained to rule in Kobani
This comes as no surprise. As I had stated on a Press TV interview last week, I expected the Turks to agree to let Kurdish reinforcements in, but would then tie the process up with “details” to drag it out to make time to push for what they really want.

Turkish PM Davutoglu tells us below that they will cooperate with air basing and putting FSA cannon fodder ground troops in to use against Assad.

So he wants to fight ISIL and Assad at the same time, and we are only talking 5000 newly trained FSA fighters over the first year, per Congressional testimony.

Dag’s solution to “saving” Kobani is to move a few hundred FAS people in and have them in effect be the guards of Kobani, which of course will not make the Kurds there very happy. And for leverage, we now hear that the Peshmerga coming in from Iraq will not be allowed to put troops in, only artillery support, which will be a big help.

But the Turks have shown all of their cards now. It is “our way, or the highway.” This is quite a hoot, as this move would keep the border open and under Erdogan’s control to supply both the FSA and ISIL, while pretending to be part of the coalition to wipe ISIL out. You just can’t make this stuff up!
http://www.veteranstoday.(...)d-to-rule-in-kobani/

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Op donderdag 27 november 2014 13:57 schreef Peunage het volgende:

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Er wordt al jaren geroepen dat Zuid-Irak een Iraanse provincie is geworden. Heel het zuiden zou vol hangen van foto's van Iraanse Ayatollahs en Iraanse vlaggen, iedereen zou Perzisch spreken en mensen betalen met de Iraanse Tuman/Rial. Niks van waar. Zo ook met Syrie en Libanon. Iran heeft als regionale macht belangen, en die verdedigen ze gewoon. Daarnaast zorgen ze voor de veiligheid van sjiieten in de regio.

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Op donderdag 27 november 2014 14:08 schreef UpsideDown het volgende:

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Ondertussen gaat Duitsland gewoon door met het leveren van wapens en het trainen van Koerdische strijders. Dus zo spannend is het allemaal niet.

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Op donderdag 27 november 2014 14:18 schreef Atak het volgende:
Ouch! Al dat vechten helemaal voor niks

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Op donderdag 27 november 2014 14:18 schreef Atak het volgende:
Ouch! Al dat vechten helemaal voor niks

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Op donderdag 27 november 2014 14:22 schreef mylamboisblack het volgende:

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Veterans today! De site die een leugen in de wereld verspreidde dat Al-Baghdadi, Shimon Eliott zou heten.

Jij bent echt niet meer serieus te nemen, 0.0% kritisch.

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Op donderdag 27 november 2014 14:22 schreef mylamboisblack het volgende:

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Veterans today! De site die een leugen in de wereld verspreidde dat Al-Baghdadi, Shimon Eliott zou heten.

Jij bent echt niet meer serieus te nemen, 0.0% kritisch.