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Sowieso, maar als Nederland weer meer gaat investeren in defensie dan moeten we niet als een gek meer tanks willen.quote:Op zaterdag 6 september 2014 12:05 schreef vigen98 het volgende:
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Klopt, tanks zijn niet alles maar ze zijn toch wel handig.
Ze zien er vooral vet uit, maar verder......
Algerije heeft ze dan ook nodig, Nederland niet.quote:
Wat the fuckAlgerije heeft 180 T-90 tanks terwijl wij Nederland geen 1 hebben
Anti-Turkije
The New York Times
Ukraine Deal Imposes Truce Putin Devised
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The cease-fire was agreed to after a two-week rebel counteroffensive backed by Russian troops, armor and artillery that threatened to roll back most of the gains the Ukrainian military had made. Russia has not acknowledged the presence of any of its military units on Ukrainian soil, and there was no mention of their removal as part of the agreement.
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The agreement resembles, almost verbatim, a proposal for a truce issued by President Petro O. Poroshenko in June.
It includes amnesty for those who disarm and who did not commit serious crimes, and the exchange of all prisoners. Militias will be disbanded, and a 10-kilometer buffer zone — about six miles — will be established along the Russian-Ukrainian border. The area will be subject to joint patrols. The separatists have agreed to leave the administrative buildings they control and to allow broadcasts from Ukraine to resume on local television.
It was unclear how “disarmament” would be defined, and it emerged as a potential stumbling block. The separatists have demanded that Ukrainian forces withdraw completely from the area, a condition that Kiev considers a nonstarter. The militias will also be unlikely to abandon their weapons.
For the future, the agreement says power will be decentralized and the Russian language protected. An early, failed attempt by more extreme members of the Ukrainian Parliament to ban Russian as an official language was one element that spawned the uprising.
The agreement says the executive in control of each region, the equivalent of a governor, will be appointed after consultations with each region. It also promises early elections and a job-creation program.
The negotiators, meeting in Minsk, Belarus, said they would reconvene on Monday to discuss the mechanics to carry out the agreement.
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In response to an email query, Clifford Kupchan, a director at the Eurasia Group, a Washington consulting firm, and a former State Department official, wrote, “I fear it won’t hold.” The main stumbling block, he said, is that Russia seeks federalization, including the right for each region to conduct its own foreign policy, whereas Mr. Poroshenko has offered only decentralization and would face a political backlash if he went any further.
Many analysts said the probable outcome would be a frozen conflict, much like those Russia created in Georgia and Moldova to keep them destabilized.
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Officials interpreted the opening of a new, southern front as an attempt by Moscow to convince Mr. Poroshenko that he had to reach terms at the negotiating table because he could not win on the battlefield.
Ukraine Deal Imposes Truce Putin Devised
[...]
The cease-fire was agreed to after a two-week rebel counteroffensive backed by Russian troops, armor and artillery that threatened to roll back most of the gains the Ukrainian military had made. Russia has not acknowledged the presence of any of its military units on Ukrainian soil, and there was no mention of their removal as part of the agreement.
[...]
The agreement resembles, almost verbatim, a proposal for a truce issued by President Petro O. Poroshenko in June.
It includes amnesty for those who disarm and who did not commit serious crimes, and the exchange of all prisoners. Militias will be disbanded, and a 10-kilometer buffer zone — about six miles — will be established along the Russian-Ukrainian border. The area will be subject to joint patrols. The separatists have agreed to leave the administrative buildings they control and to allow broadcasts from Ukraine to resume on local television.
It was unclear how “disarmament” would be defined, and it emerged as a potential stumbling block. The separatists have demanded that Ukrainian forces withdraw completely from the area, a condition that Kiev considers a nonstarter. The militias will also be unlikely to abandon their weapons.
For the future, the agreement says power will be decentralized and the Russian language protected. An early, failed attempt by more extreme members of the Ukrainian Parliament to ban Russian as an official language was one element that spawned the uprising.
The agreement says the executive in control of each region, the equivalent of a governor, will be appointed after consultations with each region. It also promises early elections and a job-creation program.
The negotiators, meeting in Minsk, Belarus, said they would reconvene on Monday to discuss the mechanics to carry out the agreement.
[...]
In response to an email query, Clifford Kupchan, a director at the Eurasia Group, a Washington consulting firm, and a former State Department official, wrote, “I fear it won’t hold.” The main stumbling block, he said, is that Russia seeks federalization, including the right for each region to conduct its own foreign policy, whereas Mr. Poroshenko has offered only decentralization and would face a political backlash if he went any further.
Many analysts said the probable outcome would be a frozen conflict, much like those Russia created in Georgia and Moldova to keep them destabilized.
[...]
Officials interpreted the opening of a new, southern front as an attempt by Moscow to convince Mr. Poroshenko that he had to reach terms at the negotiating table because he could not win on the battlefield.
The view from nowhere.
Wij moeten gewoon investeren waar we goed in zijn. Scheepsbouw, AI, etcquote:
Sowieso, maar als Nederland weer meer gaat investeren in defensie dan moeten we niet als een gek meer tanks willen.
Ze zien er vooral vet uit, maar verder......
Yup, en we moeten weer fatsoenlijk luchtsteun kunnen geven.quote:
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Wij moeten gewoon investeren waar we goed in zijn. Scheepsbouw, AI, etc
Alleen als je een ander land wilt veroveren.quote:
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Klopt, tanks zijn niet alles maar ze zijn toch wel handig.
09:40 GMT:
The transfer of military prisoners from Donetsk People’s Republic should take place on Saturday, and from Kiev on Monday, according to the DNR premier Aleksandr Zakharchenko.
He also said the ceasefire agreement isn’t being observed fully by Kiev, as strikes and fighting are continuing.
http://rt.com/news/eastern-ukraine-army-operation-680/
The transfer of military prisoners from Donetsk People’s Republic should take place on Saturday, and from Kiev on Monday, according to the DNR premier Aleksandr Zakharchenko.
He also said the ceasefire agreement isn’t being observed fully by Kiev, as strikes and fighting are continuing.
http://rt.com/news/eastern-ukraine-army-operation-680/
Anti-Turkije
Dat is al besteld. Misschien wat meer... Volgens mij hebben we wel bar weinig drones?quote:
Yup, en we moeten weer fatsoenlijk luchtsteun kunnen geven.
Het is toch ook wel handig als artikel 5 in aanmerking komt.quote:
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Alleen als je een ander land wilt veroveren.
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Dat is al besteld. Misschien wat meer... Volgens mij hebben we wel bar weinig drones?
Het zijn geen mislukte dingen.quote:
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Die mislukte dingen?
Jazeker welquote:
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Het zijn geen mislukte dingen.
Laatst nog gelezen dat tientallen JSF'S in de VS niet mochten opstijgen want er zouden allemaal fouten zijn in de toestellen?quote:
Idd, d'roet met die Russen.quote:
Die nazi's daar moeten met harde hand worden verwijderd.
En dat oordeel baseer jij waarop precies?quote:
Op maandag 3 februari 2014 08:10 schreef Enchanter het volgende:[/b]
In discussie gaan met Koos Vogels :') , een grotere mongool is er niet :r
In discussie gaan met Koos Vogels :') , een grotere mongool is er niet :r
Dat soort zaken heb je altijd met militair materiaal.quote:
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Laatst nog gelezen dat tientallen JSF'S in de VS niet mochten opstijgen want er zouden allemaal fouten zijn in de toestellen?
Dit is een beetje zoals de mensen die klagen dat de trein weer te laat is zonder dat ze begrijpen dat er nu eenmaal van alles kan gebeuren onderweg. Techniek is heel fijn en handig, maar het kan nu eenmaal nooit 100% zekerheid geven.
Maar om dat te kunnen begrijpen moet je rationeel kunnen redeneren/denken.
Een invasie van Hongarije zou misschien wel het beste zijn inderdaad.quote:
Die nazi's daar moeten met harde hand worden verwijderd.
Op maandag 3 februari 2014 08:10 schreef Enchanter het volgende:[/b]
In discussie gaan met Koos Vogels :') , een grotere mongool is er niet :r
In discussie gaan met Koos Vogels :') , een grotere mongool is er niet :r
