NWS Nieuws & Achtergronden
Discussieer hier diepgaander over de actualiteiten.
Wordt ook weer gevochten in Donetsk:
twitter:PierreCrom twitterde op zondag 27-07-2014 om 18:55:40 Bombs fall this evening on #donetsk #donbass #ukraine #russia #war http://t.co/7vXq68OdAX reageer retweet
Bombs fall this evening on twitter:maxseddon twitterde op zondag 27-07-2014 om 18:21:02 Tonight's evening shelling comes at sunset. reageer retweet
Tonight's evening shelling comes at sunset.
Ik ben DeJori en ik wil aangesproken worden als DeJori. Ik heb handboeien en ik heb pepperspray. Ik los dat hier op op mijn manier. Aight?
Dit.quote:Op zondag 27 juli 2014 16:27 schreef DeJori het volgende:
Een opname van Oekrane binnen de EU (houd de EU en de NAVO in deze discussie a.u.b. gescheiden) is geen versterking maar een verzwakking, voornamelijk vanwege de slechte economische situatie in dat land.
Nog maar te zwijgen welk risico je neemt met dit land. Nu steun je Kiev omdat het je uitkomt. Maar ook Kiev zit vol met rechts extremistisch tuig. Stel het was al een NAVO lid dan was je nu in een gewapend conflict geraakt waar je jaren zoet mee bent. Nog maar te zwijgen over de kosten.
Je moet er niet aan denken.
krik, krak, sjiemela, sjiemela, sjiemela
krik, krak, sjiemela, sjiemela
krik, krak, sjiemela, sjiemela
Negeren gewoon, het topic trekt nu eenmaal zulke discussies aan.quote:
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Goed ik houd dit topic voorlopig weer voor gezien.
En je kan niet vertrekken want dan neem ik het over met een stroom aan pro-Russische artikels en berichten.
http://thehill.com/policy(...)n-fight-against-isisquote:
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Hoe zie je dat voor je, gezien Rusland medeverantwoordelijk is voor het terrorisme
Dat ontgaat hem. De Russen knappen de zooi op die de VS daar gemaakt heeft.quote:
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http://thehill.com/policy(...)n-fight-against-isis
krik, krak, sjiemela, sjiemela, sjiemela
krik, krak, sjiemela, sjiemela
krik, krak, sjiemela, sjiemela
Rusland en de VS hebben allebei een hekel aan de Jihadisten / terroristen, althans, voor Obama in het Witte Huis kwam, zaten Putin en Bush op 1 lijn wat betreft Irak, Afghanistan en verder. Nu is die relatie wat verslechterd, omdat de VS de Arabische Lente enigszins indirect heeft gesteund en Putin liever stabiliteit (lees een of andere dictator als Assad of Gadaffi) aan de macht heeft dan een groep rebellen.quote:
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Hoe zie je dat voor je, gezien Rusland medeverantwoordelijk is voor het terrorisme
Het vreemde is dat Putin tot aan deze seperatisten een hekel had aan welke groep rebellen / terroristen / revolutionairen dan ook.
Daar was ik al bang voor.quote:
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Negeren gewoon, het topic trekt nu eenmaal zulke discussies aan.
En je kan niet vertrekken want dan neem ik het over met een stroom aan pro-Russische artikels en berichten.
Op zich heeft iedereen op FOK veel vrijheid om te posten wat hij wilt. Het is moeilijk om iets specifieks, los van formele grenzen, overeind te houden. Daarom sla ik soms wild om me heen, ook al heb ik geen poot om op te staan.
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The view from nowhere.
Wij van WC-eend... Maar goed, dat geldt wel vaker.quote:Statement on RF troops concentration near Ukrainian border incorrect - Defence Ministry
MOSCOW, July 27 /ITAR-TASS/. The statement by U.S. Ambassador to NATO Douglas E. Lute and spokeswoman of the U.S. Department of State Marie Harf on the concentration of Russian troops near the Ukrainian border does not reflect reality, Russian Defence Ministry spokesman Major General Igor Konashenkov said on Sunday.
According to the Vienna Document of 2011 and the Treaty on Open Skies, eighteen international inspections have been carried out over Russia’s territory. “These inspections have not registered any violations or undeclared military activity on the part of Russia in the areas adjacent to the Ukrainian border,” Konashenkov said.
The Defence Ministry also said that “at the same time, Ukrainian armed forces’ active combat actions in the areas adjacent to the Russian border make impossible similar inspection flights under the Treaty on Open Skies.”
“The Russian Defence Ministry is certain that official inspections in these areas would register high concentration of Ukrainian troops, armaments and military equipment that regularly shell Russian settlements and have already killed and injured our citizens there,” Konashenkov said.
The ministry also once again reminded the U.S. colleagues that apart from social media from which they, as is known, today get most of intelligence data on the Russian armed forces, there are also other information sources trustworthiness of which is beyond question.
http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/742482
En hier nog een artikel over sancties van AP.quote:
Avdiyivka fired in the Donetsk region of "Castle." There are victims
July 27 Avdiyivka (Donetsk region). Fired from "Castle."
Writes about the local edition of 0629 with reference to the users of social networks.
According to local residents, among civilians - 5 killed, more than 50 were injured by shrapnel.
By Molodezhnaya 20 (dormitory) - destroyed apartment on 6th and 7th floors, shell hit the house bearing wall, which led to more destruction, smashed all the windows almost throughout the house.
Completely destroyed warehouses and playground. Hit the gas pipe at the moment is strong smoke.
By Molodezhnaya 17 - projectile hit the last staircase, there are wounded. By ul.Vorobeva 9 shattered windows, destroyed the roof and end at home. By Mendeleeva 5 - was directly hit the apartment.
District 9 quarters, 21 broken windows and have to destroy objects that were near.
http://bigstory.ap.org/ar(...)chilles-heel-ukraine
Ik ben DeJori en ik wil aangesproken worden als DeJori. Ik heb handboeien en ik heb pepperspray. Ik los dat hier op op mijn manier. Aight?
Huh heb je daar al bewijzen van dat Rusland schuldig is?quote:
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Het is niet relevant wie is goed is of slecht. Nederland hoort bij de NAVO, de VS is onze bondgenoot. Rusland is verantwoordelijk voor de dood van bijna 200 Nederlandse burgers. Wat snap je daar niet aan? Het is vrij sneu dat je nu met voorbeelden komt over Bosni, Kosovo, Syri...dat slaat nergens op.
Het feit dat Amerika iets deed wat niet kon, betekent niet dat het van Rusland minder slecht is en dat we het maar gewoon moeten accepteren/laten gebeuren.
Wem die Scheisse bis zum Hals steht, sollte den Kopf nicht hngen lassen
vind deze dis van het Kremlin naar de Amerikanen die vooral social-media gebruiken tegenwoordig toch wel mooi.
quote:The ministry also once again reminded the U.S. colleagues that apart from social media from which they, as is known, today get most of intelligence data on the Russian armed forces, there are also other information sources trustworthiness of which is beyond question.
http://www.businessinsider.com/mh17-story-2014-7quote:
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Huh heb je daar al bewijzen van dat Rusland schuldig is?
Zie de voorgaande topics voor afbeeldingen en video's van Russische betrokkenheid bij de rebellen (e.g. manschappen, commandanten, wapentuig etc.)
Ik ben DeJori en ik wil aangesproken worden als DeJori. Ik heb handboeien en ik heb pepperspray. Ik los dat hier op op mijn manier. Aight?
En? Ik lees dat pro-Russische rebellen het gedaan hebben. Die horen bij Rusland?quote:
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http://www.businessinsider.com/mh17-story-2014-7
Zie de voorgaande topics voor afbeeldingen en video's van Russische betrokkenheid bij de rebellen (e.g. manschappen, commandanten, wapentuig etc.)
Wem die Scheisse bis zum Hals steht, sollte den Kopf nicht hngen lassen
Ik ga niet Crisis in Oekrane #100-#105 voor je herhalen, maar zie in de vorige topics de foto's van soldaten van de Krim, Berkut en Kozakken. Zie de foto's van tanks die alleen in Rusland worden gebruikt. Zie het feit dat de rebellenleiders Russen zijn. Of zie het feit dat ze schieten vanaf de Russische kant van de grens.quote:
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En? Ik lees dat pro-Russische rebellen het gedaan hebben. Die horen bij Rusland?
Ik ben DeJori en ik wil aangesproken worden als DeJori. Ik heb handboeien en ik heb pepperspray. Ik los dat hier op op mijn manier. Aight?
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Amerikaanse nieuwssites heel betrouwbaar als het op Rusland aankomtquote:
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Ik ga niet Crisis in Oekrane #100-#105 voor je herhalen, maar zie in de vorige topics de foto's van soldaten van de Krim, Berkut en Kozakken. Zie de foto's van tanks die alleen in Rusland worden gebruikt. Zie het feit dat de rebellenleiders Russen zijn. Of zie het feit dat ze schieten vanaf de Russische kant van de grens.
Wem die Scheisse bis zum Hals steht, sollte den Kopf nicht hngen lassen
Russische sites zijn heel betrouwbaar als het om Oekraine aankomt.quote:
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Amerikaanse nieuwssites heel betrouwbaar als het op Rusland aankomt
For every fact, there is an equal and opposite opinion.
Twitch.tv/bensel15
Twitch.tv/bensel15
Toch deze site nog eens aanhalen. Ik kijk er te weinig naar, maar het geeft een goed overzicht van de nieuwsfeiten en hun locatie.quote:
Weet niet of 'ie al gepost is maar zag deze net voorbijkomen:
http://liveuamap.com/
Ook bijhorende de twitter pagina is het vermelden waard
https://twitter.com/Liveuamap
Dit is hoe DNR en LDR er nu uitzien.
The view from nowhere.
Ik heb de vraag al eens eerder gesteld, maar ben er nooit echt achter gekomen. Hoe ziet de grens eruit tussen Rusland en Oekrane? Als ik als voetganger rond de grens van Duitsland loop zie ik niet waar die is. Ik kan me voorstellen dat het niet zo extreem is daar, maar hoe groot is de kans dat er per ongeluk Oekraense soldaten in Rusland terecht komen?
Ik ben DeJori en ik wil aangesproken worden als DeJori. Ik heb handboeien en ik heb pepperspray. Ik los dat hier op op mijn manier. Aight?
Ik had dat Twitteraccount nog niet gezien. Maar zo te zien lijkt het er op dat ze een groot deel van de crash site hebben.quote:
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Toch deze site nog eens aanhalen. Ik kijk er te weinig naar, maar het geeft een goed overzicht van de nieuwsfeiten en hun locatie.
Ook bijhorende de twitter pagina is het vermelden waard
https://twitter.com/Liveuamap
Dit is hoe DNR en LDR er nu uitzien.
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Woord.
Wij doen in dit topic niet anders dan ons afvragen wat er niet wel en niet klopt. We gebruiken ook Russische media in zoverre dat lukt. Een van de belangrijkste bronnen voor het verifieren van claims zijn de briefings van Igor Grikin / Strelkov zelf (meestal via de vertalingen van http://slavyangrad.org/)quote:
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Amerikaanse nieuwssites heel betrouwbaar als het op Rusland aankomt
Toen de Oekrainers de grens met Rusland wilde sluiten maakte Rusland het bezwaar, dat er geen sprake kan zijn van een eenzijdige afbakening van de grens. Ik meen me te herinneren dat de grens na de onafhankelijkheid in 1991 niet goed formeel is afgebakend.quote:
Ik heb de vraag al eens eerder gesteld, maar ben er nooit echt achter gekomen. Hoe ziet de grens eruit tussen Rusland en Oekrane? Als ik als voetganger rond de grens van Duitsland loop zie ik niet waar die is. Ik kan me voorstellen dat het niet zo extreem is daar, maar hoe groot is de kans dat er per ongeluk Oekraense soldaten in Rusland terecht komen?
The view from nowhere.
Het is een open gestrekt veld, ik heb er al eens wat foto's van gezien. Op sommige plaatsen zijn de Oekrainers nu aan het graven om een soort van afbakening te maken.quote:
Ik heb de vraag al eens eerder gesteld, maar ben er nooit echt achter gekomen. Hoe ziet de grens eruit tussen Rusland en Oekrane? Als ik als voetganger rond de grens van Duitsland loop zie ik niet waar die is. Ik kan me voorstellen dat het niet zo extreem is daar, maar hoe groot is de kans dat er per ongeluk Oekraense soldaten in Rusland terecht komen?
was dit niet bij de grens van transnistrie?quote:
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Het is een open gestrekt veld, ik heb er al eens wat foto's van gezien. Op sommige plaatsen zijn de Oekrainers nu aan het graven om een soort van afbakening te maken.
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For every fact, there is an equal and opposite opinion.
Twitch.tv/bensel15
Twitch.tv/bensel15
Briefing about the situations at the front in the DPR [Donetsk People’s Republic] and the LPR [Lugansk People’s Republic] as July 27, 2014.
Donbass Situation Report, July 27, 2014
Donbass Situation Report, July 27, 2014
The view from nowhere.
Een selectie van tekstfragmentenquote:
Briefing about the situations at the front in the DPR [Donetsk People’s Republic] and the LPR [Lugansk People’s Republic] as July 27, 2014.
Donbass Situation Report, July 27, 2014
LPR
DPRquote:In general, the situation, even if not rosy, is quite stable – as a result of a month of offensive actions on the territory of LPR, the enemy can only claim the severance of the Lisichansk Protrusion to its credit.
De Oekrainse zijde claimt vandaag Debaltsevo en Torez te hebben ingenomen. Tevens lijkt de zuidelijke pocket ontzet te kunnen worden / te zijn. Donetsk raakt geisoleerdquote:The operational situation in the southern cauldron has not changed. The Junta grouping, composed of the remnants of the three brigades [the 27th, the 72nd and the 29th], continues to remain there, suffering considerable losses from the Militia’s fire. The last thread near the “Marinovka” border-crossing checkpoint had been cut off yesterday.
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The road to Donetsk through Antratsit and Torez is firmly controlled by the Militia. In the event that control over the highway passing through Debaltsevo is lost, it the Antratsit/Torez road that will become the key transportation artery of the DPR until the time when the southern grouping is finished off and supply channels through the border-crossing checkpoints in the south of the DPR are established.
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The loss of Debaltsevo will seriously complicate the situation in the DPR, which effectively will be left hanging by one supply thread.
Horlivka raakt ook geisoleerdquote:The enemy’s advancement toward Debaltsevo has led to Gorlovka becoming partially encircled from the northeastern direction, with the city ending up operationally surrounded due to a number of the roads being cut off by enemy SRGs and the infiltrating mechanized infantry. The main forces of the Militia have been pushed pack into the city and are preparaing for street battles.
De rest gaat over de onvrede met het gedag van Battalion Vostok, hun leider Khodakovskiy en de Kozakken. Zou dit raport geschreven kunnen zijn door de Oekrainse zijde? Of gaat dat te ver?quote:In the general, the situation here remains very difficult. In the event Debaltsevo is lost and Gorlovka is completely encircled, Donetsk will end up semi-surrounded, which, given the enemy’s overall superiority in numbers, will create additional opportunities for the Junta to conduct strikes using the internal communications network that spreads from Debaltsevo into the interiors of the DPR and the LPR.
When we will be tallying up the results of the offensive that began on July 1, 2014, the key for evaluating it will be the outcomes of the battles for Gorlovka, Debaltsevo and in the Southern Cauldron.
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The view from nowhere.
pro-Russische tweeter AJSB
Grens met Transnistria
South Pocket
Horlivka
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Grens met Transnistria
twitter:A_J_S_B twitterde op zondag 27-07-2014 om 12:21:10 #Ukraine making a 450 mile long trench between Ukraine and #Transnistria ! http://t.co/sMFTiuG7oS reageer retweet
South Pocket
Debaltsevotwitter:A_J_S_B twitterde op zondag 27-07-2014 om 13:49:45 All fronts stable (except Debalcevo) with #Ukraine forces failing in all fronts, South Pocket UA vehicles without fuel had 2 dug in, no resupplies reageer retweet
Shakhtars'ktwitter:A_J_S_B twitterde op zondag 27-07-2014 om 13:55:13 In Debalcevo #Ukraine forces enter in it but it didn't fall. Heavy street fighting with heavy losses to both sides. Today combats go on. reageer retweet
twitter:A_J_S_B twitterde op zondag 27-07-2014 om 16:07:47 NEWS FLASH:FIERCE street combats in #Shahtarsk between NAF & #Ukraine NG.As you can see, NOT under UA control.http://t.co/JF0RC2i4i8 reageer retweet
twitter:A_J_S_B twitterde op zondag 27-07-2014 om 20:19:22 VIDEO:More NAF forces arriving #Shahtarsk (this is NOT the video i talked about)http://t.co/Qt7QySo1Eu reageer retweet
Horlivka
twitter:A_J_S_B twitterde op zondag 27-07-2014 om 20:33:12 VIDEO:Gorlovka shelled by #Ukraine forces.http://t.co/c0I1nZOYli reageer retweet
twitter:A_J_S_B twitterde op zondag 27-07-2014 om 21:09:15 VIDEO:Another video of Gorlovka shelling by #Ukraine forces.http://t.co/rF3w60lMiY reageer retweet
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The view from nowhere.
Nog een pro-Russische tweeter Gbazov
Mbt de MH17 is er een wereld van propaganda ontstaan. Eerst was er een Oekrainse straaljager die de Boeing 777 had neergeschoten.
Die lui zijn niet goed snik.
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Mbt de MH17 is er een wereld van propaganda ontstaan. Eerst was er een Oekrainse straaljager die de Boeing 777 had neergeschoten.
Nu zijn ze bezig met een nieuwe spin. "Cui Bono" blijven ze roepen, maar zoeken toch meer naar feiten en vinden BUK-systemen van het Oekrainse leger in het gebied. Ze claimen dat het Oekrainse leger vandaag erop uit was het rampgebied van de MH17 in handen te krijgen om sporen uit te wissen. Ze propageren complot theorieen waarin de vlucht met opzet is neergehaald ivm met geopolitieke doelstellingen.twitter:gbazov twitterde op zondag 27-07-2014 om 18:46:30 #ALL - That German story re "admission" by a Ukie pilot of shooting down MH17 is a fake. Sorry, guys. Not real. Just more russophobic BS. reageer retweet
Die lui zijn niet goed snik.
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The view from nowhere.
twitter:StateOfUkraine twitterde op zondag 27-07-2014 om 20:19:31 #Ukraine failed to control the border with #Russia so instead it's surrounding #Donetsk & #Luhansk & trying to squeeze Russian fighters out. reageer retweet
The view from nowhere.
Hmm, zolang ze de grens niet hebben gaat dat natuurlijk nooit lukken. Rebellen kunnen dan tussen Rusland en Oekraine reizen om te schuilen, nieuw materiaal en / of troepen naar binnen brengen.quote:twitter:StateOfUkraine twitterde op zondag 27-07-2014 om 20:19:31 #Ukraine failed to control the border with #Russia so instead it's surrounding #Donetsk & #Luhansk & trying to squeeze Russian fighters out. reageer retweet
Wat een nonsens argument. Russische nieuwssites zijn zeker wel geloofwaardig?quote:
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The fate of our times is characterized by rationalization and intellectualization and, above all, by the disenchantment of the world.
Dat bedoel ik, allebeide dus nietquote:Op zondag 27 juli 2014 23:22 schreef tofastTG het volgende:
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Wat een nonsens argument. Russische nieuwssites zijn zeker wel geloofwaardig?
Wem die Scheisse bis zum Hals steht, sollte den Kopf nicht hngen lassen
Eerst maar eens het gebied omsingelen lijkt me, daarna een nieuw offensief om de grens volledig in bezit te krijgen? Oekrane moet eigenlijk eerst eens de luchtafweer van die rebellen molesteren. Dan kun je evt vanuit de lucht de grens bewaken.quote:
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Hmm, zolang ze de grens niet hebben gaat dat natuurlijk nooit lukken. Rebellen kunnen dan tussen Rusland en Oekraine reizen om te schuilen, nieuw materiaal en / of troepen naar binnen brengen.
The fate of our times is characterized by rationalization and intellectualization and, above all, by the disenchantment of the world.
Beide of allebei.quote:
Over het algemeen wordt aangenomen dat de media in een volledig vrij land beter functioneren dan in een land waarin de media aan de ketting van de leider liggen.
The fate of our times is characterized by rationalization and intellectualization and, above all, by the disenchantment of the world.
Hierover is men het eens. Conflict Reporter toont hetzelfde filmpje als AJSB over inkomende versterkingen.
Er wordt nog gevochten in Pervomaisk (ten westen van de stad Lugansk)
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Meer versterkingen voor de rebellen. Deze komen aan in Snizhne.twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op zondag 27-07-2014 om 22:00:32 Shakhstars'k today. City remains under Russian invasion forces' control. https://t.co/IcMOh20Su4#RussiaInvadesUkraine http://t.co/9GlDPqsAqA reageer retweet
Shakhstars'k today. City remains under Russian invasion forces' control. twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op zondag 27-07-2014 om 22:18:57 #BreakingFootage Another heavy Russian invasion convoy reaches #Snizhne today.https://t.co/P94SU5lNWM#Ukraine http://t.co/WOVaNMoRTi reageer retweet
Er wordt nog gevochten in Pervomaisk (ten westen van de stad Lugansk)
De zuidelijke pocket lijkt te zijn ontzet.twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op zondag 27-07-2014 om 22:39:36 #BreakingNews Fighting continues in #Pervomaisk tonight. Ukr. army command to residents: "Stay in cellars. You risk your life outside." reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op zondag 27-07-2014 om 23:11:10 #BRK The 72th and 79th Brigade finally received the promised assistance today,after being shelled by Russians from both sides of the border. reageer retweet
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The view from nowhere.
Gisteren was Derk Sauer in Nieuwsuur. Dat is een Nederlander die kort na de val van het communisme de Moscow Times heeft opgezet.quote:
Nu zijn ze bezig met een nieuwe spin. "Cui Bono" blijven ze roepen, maar zoeken toch meer naar feiten en vinden BUK-systemen van het Oekrainse leger in het gebied. Ze claimen dat het Oekrainse leger vandaag erop uit was het rampgebied van de MH17 in handen te krijgen om sporen uit te wissen. Ze propageren complot theorieen waarin de vlucht met opzet is neergehaald ivm met geopolitieke doelstellingen.
Die lui zijn niet goed snik.
Hij vertelde twee interessante dingen: Een mensenleven meer of minder en een vliegramp meer of minder boeit de Russen niet zo veel. Wat ze wel boeit zijn complottheorien en die worden door iedereen bloedserieus genomen en zijn daar hartstikke mainstream.
Edit: Was wel even een WTF-momentje, na een dagje eropuit even op liveuamap te kijken.
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Goede post.quote:
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Net zoals de EU en de USA ook landen annexeerd?
Laat me niet lachen.
Lijstje: Syrie - burgeroorlog na inmenging van USA/EU. massamoorden met USA wapens.
Irak: burgeroorlog na inmenging van USA/EU. massamoorden met USA wapens.
Kosovo: schurkenstaat waar vrouwenhandel/drugshandel en wapen handel bloeit geleid door een oorlogsmisdadiger na inmenging van NATO
Bosnie; broeinest van Jihadisten waar de radicale Islam meer en meer zijn stempel drukt na inmenging van NATO
Lybie: chaos en verwarring. Burgeroorlog, aanslagen etc etc na inmenging van NATO. (net op het nieuws)
Heeft ie toch al?quote:
Tje, Transnistrie, het volgende gebied waar Poetin zijn zinnen op gezet heeft.
In de VS bestaat iig geen opiniedwang. Ik heb vele male liever de VS media gesamt dan die van Rusland.quote:
I´m back.
BNW is daar meanstream idd....quote:
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Gisteren was Derk Sauer in Nieuwsuur. Dat is een Nederlander die kort na de val van het communisme de Moscow Times heeft opgezet.
Hij vertelde twee interessante dingen: Een mensenleven meer of minder en een vliegramp meer of minder boeit de Russen niet zo veel. Wat ze wel boeit zijn complottheorien en die worden door iedereen bloedserieus genomen en zijn daar hartstikke mainstream.
Edit: Was wel even een WTF-momentje, na een dagje eropuit even op liveuamap te kijken.
I´m back.
Weer een journalist gewond geraakt in Oekraine.
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twitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op zondag 27-07-2014 om 21:07:18 A well known Polish jurno got seriously injured on July 27 when her car got hit by #RUS terrorists mortar shell. http://t.co/W3qtEY4iGa reageer retweet
A well known Polish jurno got seriously injured on July 27 when her car got hit by twitter:bucketofsoda twitterde op zondag 27-07-2014 om 21:48:01 @lennutrajektoor she suffers broken spinereageer retweet
@lennutrajektoor she suffers broken spine twitter:bucketofsoda twitterde op zondag 27-07-2014 om 22:03:58 @lennutrajektoor +broken collarbone&injured kidneys her state stable, not life-threatening. Moved by heli from Starobielsk hospital 2Kharkiv reageer retweet
quote:KYIV, July 28 /Ukrinform/.
The condition of Polish citizen, journalist Bianka Zalewska, who works for Espreso.TV and was injured in the ATO area, is a serious but stable, Espreso.TV reported.
"After the surgery on her collarbone Bianka is in a state of medication sleep. At 02.00 doctors will conduct a medical consultation to decide how to help the girl who suffered a broken spine after car shelling," the report reads.
It is reported that at the hospital Bianka was visited by the Polish consul to find out whether any assistance is needed.
According to an Aidar battalion soldier who accompanied the journalist in the hot spot a sniper hit the wheel of the car. After that, the car flipped over, and the Espreso.TV journalist suffered numerous injuries.
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The view from nowhere.
Hierover is men het ook eens.
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twitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op zondag 27-07-2014 om 20:58:36 41 soldiers fr 51st brigade deserted (surrendered) its positions@border & left part of border without ctrl, went to #RUS https://t.co/t4Fcig950P reageer retweet
twitter:VagelisKarmiros twitterde op zondag 27-07-2014 om 20:18:33 #Ukraine UA Minister of Defense confirmed on the TV channel information about the 41 soldiers who defect from the Ukraine to #Russia #Donbas reageer retweet
twitter:A_J_S_B twitterde op zondag 27-07-2014 om 02:03:10 NEWS FLASH:Two #Ukraine border guards not wanting to fight, put down weapons, passed border and requested asylum. reageer retweet
quote:Two Ukrainian border guards cross into Russia asking for asylum
ROSTOV-ON-DON, July 27, 3:47 /ITAR-TASS/.
On Saturday night, more than 40 Ukrainian servicemen left their military units and asked the militias to help them cross into Russia
twitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op maandag 28-07-2014 om 11:42:35 CORRECTION: 42 tank crew members fr 51st motorized brigade didn't defect. They went to Russia via #Izvarino. #Ukraine http://t.co/KM4XxQHidU reageer retweet
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Towns in Donbas have been liberated thanks to the 72nd and 79th brigadesquote:
De zuidelijke pocket lijkt te zijn ontzet.
quote:They dont say enough about this, but all the successes of the ATO [anti-terrorist operation] forces in the north and in the west would not have happened if our three brigades and army special forces werent sitting within this narrow intestinal corridor. No one would have taken Rubezhnoye Popasnaya, Severodonetsk and Lysychansk. No one would be able to come to Donetsk and unblock the Luhansk airport.
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op zondag 27-07-2014 om 23:11:10 #BRK The 72th and 79th Brigade finally received the promised assistance today,after being shelled by Russians from both sides of the border. reageer retweet
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Een humanitaire oorlog is een contradictie in termen. Toch is het goed om je regelmatig te bezinnen. De Oekrainse President is van meet af aan oorlogszuchtig en rcksichtslos geweest in zijn aanpak. Aan de andere kant maakt deze vorm van oorlogvoering van de (pro)Russen misbruikt van humanitaire overwegingen, om zo een onderhandelingsresultaat af te dwingen.
Al Jazeera's Nazanine Moshiri reports from Eastern Ukraine.
Al Jazeera Ukraine liveblog
UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay said in a statement that increasingly intense fighting in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions was extremely alarming and the shooting down of a Malaysian airliner on July 17 may amount to a war crime.
Al Jazeera's Nazanine Moshiri reports from Eastern Ukraine.
Al Jazeera Ukraine liveblog
UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay said in a statement that increasingly intense fighting in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions was extremely alarming and the shooting down of a Malaysian airliner on July 17 may amount to a war crime.
In a new report issued by the Office of United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights, UN monitors in Ukraine said that at least 1,129 people have been killed and 3,442 wounded in the conflict since mid-April.quote:The reports of increasingly intense fighting in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions are extremely alarming, with both sides employing heavy weaponry in built-up areas, including artillery, tanks, rockets and missiles
twitter:UNrightswire twitterde op maandag 28-07-2014 om 11:35:57 Total breakdown of law & order, reign of fear & terror inflicted on eastern #Ukraine’s pop.- New report: http://t.co/kMQanBlhgz reageer retweet
Total breakdown of law & order, reign of fear & terror inflicted on eastern twitter:SimonOstrovsky twitterde op maandag 28-07-2014 om 10:56:23 "Armed groups continue to abduct, detain, torture and execute people kept as hostages" in east #Ukraine - UNHCHR reageer retweet
"Armed groups continue to abduct, detain, torture and execute people kept as hostages" in east twitter:SimonOstrovsky twitterde op maandag 28-07-2014 om 11:00:06 "Both sides employing heavy weaponry in built-up areas, including artillery, tanks, rockets and missiles" in east #Ukraine - UNHCHR reageer retweet
twitter:UNGeneva twitterde op maandag 28-07-2014 om 08:35:10 New UN report on the #humanrights situation in #Ukraine to be launched in Geneva, Kyiv today at 10 am; to be avlbl at http://t.co/6PXyILoc1x reageer retweet
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Reports That Separatist Leader Bezler Has Fled Gorlovka
UNIAN reports that Timur Olevsky, a reporter for Russia's independent Dozhd TV channel, has told Ukraine's Hromadske TV that separatist leader Igor Bezler, known as 'Bes' (Daemon), has fled Gorlovka.
Reports That Separatist Leader Bezler Has Fled Gorlovka
UNIAN reports that Timur Olevsky, a reporter for Russia's independent Dozhd TV channel, has told Ukraine's Hromadske TV that separatist leader Igor Bezler, known as 'Bes' (Daemon), has fled Gorlovka.
'Botsman' is the militant in Gorlovka who earlier today issued a threat to kill hostages and blow up a chemical plant in the town should Ukrainian forces, who have made gains in the area, advance further.quote:"I've received reports that 'Bes' has disappeared from Gorlovka. Somehow he got out, I don't know which direction he headed in. They're even saying that he could be in Russia," said the journalist.
The leadership of the militants has been passed from 'Bes' to 'Botsman'.
According to Olevsky, in addition to the Ukrainian hostages in Gorlovka, there is a Swedish citizen.
"They have 17 people. As far as is known, they were going to exchange 50 soldiers for Olga Kulygina (an accomplice of Bes - Ed.), who is in detention in Kiev," says Olevsky.
We have yet to receive any confirmation beyond Olevsky's report.twitter:myroslavapetsa twitterde op zondag 27-07-2014 om 14:11:02 #Olevskiy of @tvrain says militants' hostage called him from #Horlivka.They want 24H to retreat or will kill hostages,blow up chemical plant reageer retweet
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Thirteen killed in rocket attack on Horlivka center - Donetsk admin
Thirteen people, among them two children aged one and five years, were killed on Sunday in a shelling attack on the center of Horlivka, the Donetsk regional administration said on its Web site on Sunday.
Rockets were fired with Grad launchers. Civilian casualties vary from 20 to 30, according to the local emergencies department.
"The local maternity hospital was presumably damaged in an artillery attack. Windows were blown out when a drug rehabilitation clinic was hit by artillery fire. A rocket was fired at Hospital No.2, presumably the obstetric department, at about 1300. I can't provide more accurate information about casualties and destruction as I am only approaching the territory," the top local health official, Oleksandr Prosianyk, told Interfax-Ukraine.
The ATB supermarket was ruined and the Melodia ship was damaged.
A fire was sparked off by a shell in the town of Maisky. Residential buildings were damaged and windows were blown out on Besposhchadny, Ostapenko Streets and in the village of Korolenko. A house went ablaze in the village of Korolenko, local residents said.
The attack blew out windows in the TSUM department store. The building of the Ukrtelecom mobile phone operator was damaged. Reports arrived claiming that the building of the Donbasenergo electricity company had caught fire.
"Donbasenergo is ablaze, roofs were holed in several buildings, ambulances are busy doing running calls, the windows in the TSUM department store and Ukrtelecom were blown out," the Horlivka Self Defense Group reported.
The Artemvuhillia company's press service has denied reports posted in social media that the company headquarters were destroyed. The building was not damaged, it said.
The Horlivka railway terminal went ablaze. A firefighting effort is underway.
Five civilians killed in attacks in Luhansk in past 24 hours - city council
Five civilians were killed and another 15 were wounded in Luhansk in the past 24 hours, the press service for the Luhansk city council reported on Monday morning.
Emergency services were summoned 106 times in the past 24 hours, the report says.
Shell hits Horlivka student dormitory, three people missing
An artillery shell hit the building of a teachers' training institute's dormitory in central Horlivka, Donetsk region of Ukraine, at around 1030.
No students are now living in the dormitory, but people could have still been inside the building and three people are feared dead, an Interfax-Ukraine correspondent has reported.
The shell hit the third floor of the building, causing a fire. The fire is now being extinguished by the firefighting services.
Thirteen people, among them two children aged one and five years, were killed on Sunday in a shelling attack on the center of Horlivka, the Donetsk regional administration said on its Web site on Sunday.
Rockets were fired with Grad launchers. Civilian casualties vary from 20 to 30, according to the local emergencies department.
"The local maternity hospital was presumably damaged in an artillery attack. Windows were blown out when a drug rehabilitation clinic was hit by artillery fire. A rocket was fired at Hospital No.2, presumably the obstetric department, at about 1300. I can't provide more accurate information about casualties and destruction as I am only approaching the territory," the top local health official, Oleksandr Prosianyk, told Interfax-Ukraine.
The ATB supermarket was ruined and the Melodia ship was damaged.
A fire was sparked off by a shell in the town of Maisky. Residential buildings were damaged and windows were blown out on Besposhchadny, Ostapenko Streets and in the village of Korolenko. A house went ablaze in the village of Korolenko, local residents said.
The attack blew out windows in the TSUM department store. The building of the Ukrtelecom mobile phone operator was damaged. Reports arrived claiming that the building of the Donbasenergo electricity company had caught fire.
"Donbasenergo is ablaze, roofs were holed in several buildings, ambulances are busy doing running calls, the windows in the TSUM department store and Ukrtelecom were blown out," the Horlivka Self Defense Group reported.
The Artemvuhillia company's press service has denied reports posted in social media that the company headquarters were destroyed. The building was not damaged, it said.
The Horlivka railway terminal went ablaze. A firefighting effort is underway.
Five civilians killed in attacks in Luhansk in past 24 hours - city council
Five civilians were killed and another 15 were wounded in Luhansk in the past 24 hours, the press service for the Luhansk city council reported on Monday morning.
Emergency services were summoned 106 times in the past 24 hours, the report says.
Shell hits Horlivka student dormitory, three people missing
An artillery shell hit the building of a teachers' training institute's dormitory in central Horlivka, Donetsk region of Ukraine, at around 1030.
No students are now living in the dormitory, but people could have still been inside the building and three people are feared dead, an Interfax-Ukraine correspondent has reported.
The shell hit the third floor of the building, causing a fire. The fire is now being extinguished by the firefighting services.
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ATO forces take over Debaltseve, Shakhtarsk, Torez, Lutuhyne, fighting for Pervomaisk and Snizhne underway - ATO press center
The anti-terrorist operation (ATO) forces have taken control of the town of Debaltseve in Donetsk region and the Savur-Mohyla heights, from which illegal armed groups constantly shelled the positions of Ukrainian law enforcers, the ATO press center reported on Monday.
Ukrainian government troops also entered Shakhtarsk and Torez in Donetsk region and Lutuhyne in Luhansk region. The fighting is currently underway for the complete liberation of Pervomaisk in Luhansk region and Snizhne in Donetsk region.
In addition, Ukrainian Armed Forces and National Guard units deployed on the outskirts of Horlivka in Donetsk region and are preparing to liberate it, reads the report.
Ukrainian army liberates Savur-Mohyla
KYIV, July 28 /Ukrinform/.
Chief of the General Staff, Lieutenant General Viktor Muzhenko, has reported to President Petro Poroshenko that the Ukrainian Armed Forces have taken control of Savur-Mohyla in Donetsk region, the press service of the head of state has reported.
Savur-Mohyla is a strategic height on the border of Luhansk, Donetsk regions and the Rostov region of Russia, from which terrorists fired on Ukrainian military and a number of settlements, including Marynivka.
The anti-terrorist operation (ATO) forces have taken control of the town of Debaltseve in Donetsk region and the Savur-Mohyla heights, from which illegal armed groups constantly shelled the positions of Ukrainian law enforcers, the ATO press center reported on Monday.
Ukrainian government troops also entered Shakhtarsk and Torez in Donetsk region and Lutuhyne in Luhansk region. The fighting is currently underway for the complete liberation of Pervomaisk in Luhansk region and Snizhne in Donetsk region.
In addition, Ukrainian Armed Forces and National Guard units deployed on the outskirts of Horlivka in Donetsk region and are preparing to liberate it, reads the report.
Ukrainian army liberates Savur-Mohyla
KYIV, July 28 /Ukrinform/.
Chief of the General Staff, Lieutenant General Viktor Muzhenko, has reported to President Petro Poroshenko that the Ukrainian Armed Forces have taken control of Savur-Mohyla in Donetsk region, the press service of the head of state has reported.
Savur-Mohyla is a strategic height on the border of Luhansk, Donetsk regions and the Rostov region of Russia, from which terrorists fired on Ukrainian military and a number of settlements, including Marynivka.
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1,129 civilians killed, 3,442 injured in Ukraine during anti-terrorist operation - UN report
As many as 1,129 civilians have been killed and 3,442 injured in Ukraine since the beginning of the anti-terrorist operation in mid-April 2014 until July 26, according to a UN report.
OHCHR said that it was difficult to count the true number of deaths.
According to the press office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, the report documents how armed groups continue to abduct, detain, torture and execute people kept as hostages in order to intimidate and "to exercise their power over the population in crude and brutal ways."
According to the report, the deteriorating situation in eastern Ukraine is impacting adversely on the rest of the country, with more than 100,000 people fleeing the areas of fighting having to be temporarily accommodated in other parts of Ukraine.
"The report points out how impunity in the areas under the control of the armed groups in the east has led to the collapse of the rule of law," the OHCHR press office reported.
In addition, the report also notes that the government estimates the cost for the rebuilding and revitalization of the east to be at least UAH 8 billion (about $750 million).
Total number of IDPs in Ukraine reaches almost 102,000 people - UN report
The UN has estimated the total number of internally displaced persons (IDPs) in Ukraine at 101,617 people, according to a report issued by the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights.
According to the report, while the Ukrainian authorities have now begun to provide resources and coordinate and plan better, a number of serious problems remain to be resolved.
As many as 1,129 civilians have been killed and 3,442 injured in Ukraine since the beginning of the anti-terrorist operation in mid-April 2014 until July 26, according to a UN report.
OHCHR said that it was difficult to count the true number of deaths.
According to the press office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, the report documents how armed groups continue to abduct, detain, torture and execute people kept as hostages in order to intimidate and "to exercise their power over the population in crude and brutal ways."
According to the report, the deteriorating situation in eastern Ukraine is impacting adversely on the rest of the country, with more than 100,000 people fleeing the areas of fighting having to be temporarily accommodated in other parts of Ukraine.
"The report points out how impunity in the areas under the control of the armed groups in the east has led to the collapse of the rule of law," the OHCHR press office reported.
In addition, the report also notes that the government estimates the cost for the rebuilding and revitalization of the east to be at least UAH 8 billion (about $750 million).
Total number of IDPs in Ukraine reaches almost 102,000 people - UN report
The UN has estimated the total number of internally displaced persons (IDPs) in Ukraine at 101,617 people, according to a report issued by the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights.
According to the report, while the Ukrainian authorities have now begun to provide resources and coordinate and plan better, a number of serious problems remain to be resolved.
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Russia ordered to pay $50B over Yukos
LONDON (AP) — An international court on Monday ordered Russia to pay over $50 billion in compensation to the former majority shareholder of now-defunct Russian oil company Yukos over the expropriation of the company more than 10 years ago.
In one of the largest arbitration cases ever, a subsidiary for GML Ltd., once the biggest shareholder in Yukos Oil Co., had sought $103.5 billion from Russia.
The Russian government under President Vladimir Putin in 2003 leveled massive tax claims against Yukos, then Russia's largest oil company owned by the country's richest man Mikhail Khodorkovsky. Russia imprisoned Khodorkovsky and seized the company's assets when they couldn't pay.
The move was widely seen as retaliation for Khodorkovsky's support for opposition political parties. Russia says it was merely seeking payment for back taxes and penalties that Yukos evaded in the period 2000-2003. Yukos shareholders received no compensation for that.
Khodorkovsky spent ten years in prison before he was pardoned by Putin in December last year. Khodorkovsky has said he is not party to the case and is not interested in its outcome.
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The ruling adds to tensions between Russia and the international community at a time when relations are at their lowest ebb since the end of the Cold War. Following the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 over eastern Ukraine, the U.S. and European Union are debating further economic sanctions against Moscow because of its support for rebels suspected of launching the attack.
"It is GML's belief that the 'Yukos affair' was a major strand in the Russian government's strategy to bring Russia's natural resources under direct Kremlin control and to use those resources as a tool to reassert control over Russia's former sphere of influence," Osborne said in testimony before the U.S. Helsinki Commission in 2009. "It marked a turning point" as Russia moved away from its "commitment to the rule of law, property rights, and energy security."
LONDON (AP) — An international court on Monday ordered Russia to pay over $50 billion in compensation to the former majority shareholder of now-defunct Russian oil company Yukos over the expropriation of the company more than 10 years ago.
In one of the largest arbitration cases ever, a subsidiary for GML Ltd., once the biggest shareholder in Yukos Oil Co., had sought $103.5 billion from Russia.
The Russian government under President Vladimir Putin in 2003 leveled massive tax claims against Yukos, then Russia's largest oil company owned by the country's richest man Mikhail Khodorkovsky. Russia imprisoned Khodorkovsky and seized the company's assets when they couldn't pay.
The move was widely seen as retaliation for Khodorkovsky's support for opposition political parties. Russia says it was merely seeking payment for back taxes and penalties that Yukos evaded in the period 2000-2003. Yukos shareholders received no compensation for that.
Khodorkovsky spent ten years in prison before he was pardoned by Putin in December last year. Khodorkovsky has said he is not party to the case and is not interested in its outcome.
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The ruling adds to tensions between Russia and the international community at a time when relations are at their lowest ebb since the end of the Cold War. Following the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 over eastern Ukraine, the U.S. and European Union are debating further economic sanctions against Moscow because of its support for rebels suspected of launching the attack.
"It is GML's belief that the 'Yukos affair' was a major strand in the Russian government's strategy to bring Russia's natural resources under direct Kremlin control and to use those resources as a tool to reassert control over Russia's former sphere of influence," Osborne said in testimony before the U.S. Helsinki Commission in 2009. "It marked a turning point" as Russia moved away from its "commitment to the rule of law, property rights, and energy security."
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quote:Luhansk is fully without power - Luhansk city council
The attacks on Luhansk have damaged the power lines supplying power to the city from the Kamianobridsky district and the city is fully without power, the press service for the Luhansk City Council reported on Monday, July 28.
quote:Japan to step up sanctions against Russia
TOKYO (AP) — Japan's top government spokesman said Monday that the country is stepping up sanctions against Russia over the unrest in Ukraine.
The sanctions include the freezing of assets held in Japan by individuals and groups supporting the separation of Crimea from Ukraine, as well as a ban on Crimean imports, Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshihide Suga said. He noted that the steps are in line with measures taken by European Union and Group of Seven nations.
quote:Ukraine says recorders show 'massive explosive decompression' brought down airliner
(Reuters) - Analysis of the black box flight recorders from a downed Malaysian airliner show it was destroyed by shrapnel coming from a rocket blast and went down because of "massive explosive decompression", a Ukrainian security official said on Monday.
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twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op zondag 27-07-2014 om 23:58:29 #MAP claims to show,what I reported earlier: Russian invasion territory split into 2 areas by today's ATO operations: http://t.co/ayGm7hIQeb reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op maandag 28-07-2014 om 08:32:42 #BREAKINGNEWS SOMEONE CRAZY SHELLS HIGH RISE BUILDINGS IN #LUHANSK WITH ARTILLERYhttps://t.co/0GbdCkX9afSarajevo2.0 http://t.co/09UNs1sUI5 reageer retweet
twitter:RutheniaRus twitterde op maandag 28-07-2014 om 10:47:13 one more video with artillery strike in Lugansk https://t.co/Sm8taOY0MT. Specially for Russian TV
one more video with artillery strike in Lugansk 
twitter:EuromaidanPR twitterde op maandag 28-07-2014 om 09:19:44 #Luhansk airport has been shelled by #BM-21 #Grad & tanks again, #ATO press center reports http://t.co/OCqXIK3kUZ http://t.co/HzvSNCSKvM reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op maandag 28-07-2014 om 08:46:03 #BreakingNews Russian invaders are starting a counteroffensive on #Luhansk, massing troops from #Georgievka, #Rovenky and #Anthracite. - ATO reageer retweet
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twitter:EuromaidanPR twitterde op maandag 28-07-2014 om 12:52:50 Due to security reasons #OSCE, Australian, Dutch exp/ were unable to reach #MH17 crash site today. Convoy back in #Donetsk, @OSCE_SMM |EMPR reageer retweet
twitter:EuromaidanPR twitterde op maandag 28-07-2014 om 13:29:46 4border guards killed, 2inured at Dovzhansky BCP- shelled from #Russian territory with mortars, howitzers y-day http://t.co/I7D4yJO6CR |EMPR reageer retweet
twitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op maandag 28-07-2014 om 11:14:40 News coming more than 20 fighters fr battalion "#Aidar" killed when tried to take #Lutuhyne, #Lhansk region. Needs official cnfrmtn by Aidar reageer retweet
twitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op maandag 28-07-2014 om 11:27:23 NSDC: Currently battle for liberating #Pervomaisk & #Snizhne is ongoing. #Ukraine #ATO reageer retweet
twitter:RolandOliphant twitterde op maandag 28-07-2014 om 11:22:28 There's what's actually happening in high-level diplomacy, and there's the shadow on a cave wall we struggle to make out and report (1/2) reageer retweet
There's what's actually happening in high-level diplomacy, and there's the shadow on a cave wall we struggle to make out and report (1/2) twitter:RolandOliphant twitterde op maandag 28-07-2014 om 11:23:29 With that caveat out of this way, this is still somewhat alarming. Putin not returning Merkel's calls? (2/2) http://t.co/zER3JoXEU4 reageer retweet
twitter:EuromaidanPR twitterde op maandag 28-07-2014 om 10:34:14 Security Service building in #Berdiansk fired at with a grenade launcher at night http://t.co/CvcILkldkO |EMPR http://t.co/tSQtjzfGl6 reageer retweet
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