quote:Ukraine poised to try to reclaim Donetsk, its military says
KIEV, Ukraine — The Ukrainian military is on the verge of launching an assault to take back the separatist bastion of Donetsk, a military spokesman said Saturday.
Government troops are currently battling rebels in the nearby town of Horlivka and have blocked all roads leading out of Donetsk to prevent the insurgents from replenishing supplies and fighters or escaping, said Andriy Lysenko of the Ukrainian Security and Defense Council. Once Horlivka is under Ukrainian control again, he said, the army will move to retake Donetsk, a city where pro-Russian separatists have held sway for months while declaring it the Donetsk People’s Republic. The Ukrainian military has ousted rebels from 10 surrounding villages and towns in the past week.
“The next one will be Donetsk,” he said. “The city will be liberated.”
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Het systeem kan vast verbeterd worden. En dat is waar de luchtvaartindustrie om vraagt. Vandaar de conferentie. Het is nu niet duidelijk geregeld. UIt jouw bronquote:Op zaterdag 26 juli 2014 15:59 schreef meth1745 het volgende:
Het gaat om de werkbaarheid van het systeem
De luchtvaartmaatschappijen zijn nu zelf eindverantwoordelijk, en dus aansprakelijk. Nu nemen luchtvaartmaatschappijen teveel risico op grond van onvoldoende informatie.quote:ICAO, IATA, the Civil Air Navigation Services Organisation and Airports Council International will discuss the respective roles of each in airspace over conflict zones, the sources said.
"I'm hoping in the next few weeks ... that we can get around the table and at least start having some brainstorming sessions to see what can be improved," he said.
Maar het is een side-issue in het conflict in Oekraine. Want de doden, die er sowieso vallen, zijn net zo relevant. Het incident met vlucht MH17 betekent alleen dat het conflict minder te lokaliseren is, en zo minder te negeren voor buitenstaanders.quote:Other hurdles include concerns over potential liability – whether ICAO could be held responsible for an incident in a sector of airspace it had not issued a warning about.
Expanding ICAO's role would require the agency to obtain sensitive information from its member states about their internal military and political affairs.
Horlivka is overigens zelf ook een grote stad van een kwart miljoen inwoners (2x zoveel als Slaviansk). Misschien kunnen ze beide steden (Horlivka & Donetsk) tesamen belegeren.quote:
twitter:cnnbrk twitterde op zaterdag 26-07-2014 om 17:02:36Ukrainian journalist Anton Skiba, who was detained by pro-Russia separatists while freelancing for CNN, is freed. http://t.co/io15kXzy3W reageer retweet
Een plaats waar veel kan gebeuren. Weer een burgemeester is de klos.quote:Op vrijdag 25 juli 2014 13:15 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
De snelweg E40 / M-04 (Donetsk - Debaltsevo - Alchevsk - Lugansk- Izvaryne) is van groot strategisch belang. Debaltsevo is een belangrijk kruispunt in het gebied van de rebellen.twitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op zaterdag 26-07-2014 om 12:38:50In #Debaltsevo 2 #ATO tanks have been spotted. Hope the town will be liberated soon, if not today. #Ukraine reageer retweet
twitter:EuromaidanPR twitterde op zaterdag 26-07-2014 om 15:46:17V. Protsenko, Mayor of #Debaltsevo, #Donetsk oblast,was kidnapped by #Chechen militants from his house -eizvestia.com | EMPR #Ukraine reageer retweet
De stad is momenteel nog in handen van de rebellen. Was die burgemeester ook pro-Russisch? Dat zou namelijk betekenen dat het Oekraïense leger mensen gaat kidnappen, wat apart is voor een leger.quote:Op zaterdag 26 juli 2014 17:19 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
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Een plaats waar veel kan gebeuren. Weer een burgemeester is de klos.twitter:EuromaidanPR twitterde op zaterdag 26-07-2014 om 15:46:17V. Protsenko, Mayor of #Debaltsevo, #Donetsk oblast,was kidnapped by #Chechen militants from his house -eizvestia.com | EMPR #Ukraine reageer retweet
quote:Ukraine launches offensive to retake Donetsk
DONETSK, Ukraine (AP) — Ukrainian officials said their forces advanced to the outskirts of a key town north of Donetsk on Saturday in hopes of retaking the stronghold held for months by pro-Russia rebels.
The move comes as Ukrainian forces appear to have gained some momentum recently by retaking control of territory from the rebels. But Russia also appears to becoming more involved in the fighting, with the U.S. and Ukraine accusing Moscow of moving heavily artillery across the border to the rebels.
Ukrainian national security spokesman Andriy Lysenko said Ukrainian forces were outside Horlikva, just north of the regional center of Donetsk.
"The direct route is open for the forces of the anti-terrorist operation to the capital of the Donbass region — the city of Donetsk," Lysenko said.
Donetsk, a city of about 1 million people, is a major center of the separatist uprising that has battled Ukrainian government forces for five months.
An Associated Press reporter found the highway north of Donetsk blocked by rebels and heard the sound of artillery to the north. Explosions were heard in the direction of the town's airport, on the northwest edge of the city, an area frequently contested by Ukrainian forces and rebels. Black smoke rose from the direction of Yakovlikva, a northern suburb of Donetsk.
About 35 miles (60 kilometers) to the east, the site where Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 was shot down was still eerily empty except for the parents of one of the 298 people killed in the July 17 accident. Nine days after the accident, a full-fledged investigation still hasn't started due to the security risks posed by the nearby fighting.
But Jerzy Dyczynski and Angela Rudhart-Dyczynski, parents of 25-year-old Fatima, crossed territory held by pro-Russian rebels to reach the wreckage-strewn fields outside the village of Hrabove to visit the place of their daughter's death.
Fatima "was for peace. She will be forever for peace," her father said.
U.S. and Ukrainian officials say the plane was shot down by a missile from rebel territory, most likely by mistake.
Two more cargo planes also flew 38 more coffins carrying victims to a forensic center in the Netherlands for identification and investigation.
The planes took off Saturday from Kharkiv, a government-controlled city where the bodies have been brought from the wreckage site in territory held by pro-Russian separatists fighting the Ukrainian government.
Officials said the flights took the last of the 227 coffins containing victims that have been brought to Kharkiv by refrigerated train. Officials say the exact number of people held in the coffins is still to be determined by forensic experts in the Netherlands, where Ukraine has agreed to send the bodies. International observers have said there are still remains at the wreckage site. Access has been limited due to rebel interference and security concerns.
The disaster sparked hopes in the West that Russia would scale back its involvement in the uprising in Ukraine's east, but nine days later the opposite seems to be the case.
Russia launched artillery attacks from its soil into Ukraine on Friday, while the United States said it has seen powerful rocket systems moving closer to the Ukraine border.
Those accusations sparked a strong denial from Moscow, which accuses the U.S. of a smear campaign.
The Russian Foreign Ministry accused the United States on Saturday of conducting "an unrelenting campaign of slander against Russia, ever more relying on open lies."
The ministry took particular issue with comments Friday by White House spokesman Josh Earnest, who said Washington regards Moscow as involved in the shooting down of the airliner because it allegedly has supplied missile systems to the rebels and trained them on how to use them.
The ministry complained that these contentions have not been backed up with public evidence and it sneered at Earnest for saying the allegations are backed up by claims on social media.
"In other words, the Washington regime is basing its contentions on anti-Russian speculation gathered from the Internet that does not correspond to reality," it said.
Russia also lashed out at the latest round of Ukraine-related sanctions imposed by the European Union, saying they endanger the fight against international terrorism.
The EU sanctions, announced on Friday, impose travel bans and asset freezes on 15 people, including the head of Russia's Federal Security Service and the head of the agency's department overseeing international operations and intelligence. Four members of Russia's national security council are also on the list.
The Foreign Ministry said the sanctions show the EU is taking "a complete turn away from joint work with Russia on international and regional security, including the fight against the spread of weapons of mass destruction, terrorism (and) organized crime."
"We are sure the decisions will be greeted enthusiastically by international terrorists," the ministry said.
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twitter:BBCWillVernon twitterde op zaterdag 26-07-2014 om 18:00:10#Ukraine military: sections of border with #Russia are still not under government control at Dyakovo, Marinovka, Uspenka. reageer retweet
twitter:myroslavapetsa twitterde op vrijdag 25-07-2014 om 21:56:30Graham W Phillips has been looking for nazis and covering "junta" in #Ukraine for the last 7 months. SBU thought it was a bit too long reageer retweet
twitter:myroslavapetsa twitterde op zaterdag 26-07-2014 om 17:52:21#Russia's MFA goes ballistic on the #EU's decision to broaden sanctions, says collective security is under threat now http://t.co/VPwzgVpkFZ reageer retweet
twitter:myroslavapetsa twitterde op zaterdag 26-07-2014 om 18:08:42My husband learned today how to dig trenches. So yes, there's a war going on in #Ukraine. reageer retweet
twitter:myroslavapetsa twitterde op zaterdag 26-07-2014 om 18:13:59#Luhansk cut off of railway connection with rest of #Ukraine. Final destination for Luhansk-bound trains will be Yasynuvata station. reageer retweet
quote:Under Military Plan, U.S. Could Help Ukraine Target Rebels’ Missiles
The Pentagon and American intelligence agencies are developing plans that would enable the Obama administration to provide specific locations of surface-to-air missiles controlled by Russian-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine so the Ukrainian government could target them for destruction, American officials said.
But the proposal has not yet been debated in the White House, a senior administration official said. It is unclear whether President Obama, who has already approved limited intelligence sharing with Ukraine, will agree to give more precise information about potential military targets, a step that would involve the United States more deeply in the conflict.
Already, the question of what kind of intelligence support to give the Ukrainian government has become part of a larger debate within the administration about how directly to confront President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia and how big a role Washington should take in trying to stop Russia’s rapid delivery of powerful weapons to eastern Ukraine.
At the core of the debate, said several officials — who, like others interviewed, spoke on the condition of anonymity because the policy deliberations are still in progress — is whether the American goal should be simply to shore up a Ukrainian government reeling from the separatist attacks, or to send a stern message to Mr. Putin by aggressively helping Ukraine target the missiles Russia has provided. Those missiles have taken down at least five aircraft in the past 10 days, including Malaysia Airlines Flight 17.
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twitter:A_J_S_B twitterde op zaterdag 26-07-2014 om 20:22:09NEWS FLASH:INTENSIFIED combats in #donetsk airport area spreading to Kyiv Avenue.CIVILIANS should AVOID get close 2 windows or exit homes. reageer retweet
twitter:EuromaidanPR twitterde op zaterdag 26-07-2014 om 18:25:58Situation in #Donetsk became tense. Combats moved from the airport to the suburb http://t.co/gkE091uJjC | EMPR News #Ukraine reageer retweet
Pervomaysktwitter:EuromaidanPR twitterde op zaterdag 26-07-2014 om 21:14:05Battle in #Donetsk begins again: shelling, shooting, equipment on the move | EMPR #Ukraine #Russia reageer retweet
twitter:EuromaidanPR twitterde op zaterdag 26-07-2014 om 19:12:55#ATO forces are storming #Pervomaysk, #Luhansk region. 1K militants concentrated around https://t.co/bq7e9TFnzq |EMPR http://t.co/H44pP0bmBI reageer retweet
twitter:A_J_S_B twitterde op zaterdag 26-07-2014 om 20:42:53MAP: Debaltsevo area. Some NAF CPs destroyed by #Ukraine forces. http://t.co/GIC1wVBZne reageer retweet
twitter:EuromaidanPR twitterde op zaterdag 26-07-2014 om 19:27:13#ATO forces keep defense across #Chervonopartyzansk perimeter, heavy combat is on http://t.co/KWtFJkL3ek |EMPR http://t.co/fTxiZPKCTB reageer retweet
twitter:EuromaidanPR twitterde op zaterdag 26-07-2014 om 19:29:4410injured #ATO officers were taken from near #Chervonopartyzansk to #Russian hospitals "having no other choice" http://t.co/KWtFJkL3ek |EMPR reageer retweet
twitter:maxseddon twitterde op zaterdag 26-07-2014 om 22:37:46A map of residential buildings hit by shelling in Donetsk. http://t.co/BCuknfbNty reageer retweet
quote:Railway bridges blown up, journalists shot at and power supplies crippled: Mail reporter Rebecca Evans finds Donetsk a ghost town as residents flee advancing Ukrainian forces in battle to reclaim city
A strong smell of explosives hung in the air and the streets of Donetsk were eerily quiet as darkness fell tonight.
Gone were the normal sounds of traffic and of the city’s one million residents going about their daily lives - the only noise was the distant rumble of war.
For two days that ominous sound - of heavy shelling and gunfire - has been getting closer as the Ukrainian military try to reclaim the key city from pro-Russian separatists.
Niet al te fel als je het mij vraagt. Ze laten de separatisten tijdelijk vallen. Als de lucht geklaard is rondom MH17 zal men weer veel actiever worden.quote:Op zaterdag 26 juli 2014 23:46 schreef Hathor het volgende:
Ze staan al in de buitenwijken geloof ik, wel benieuwd hoe de Russen hier op gaan reageren.
Inderdaad, het Russische leger zal de grens met Oekraine koste wat kost open houden, net zodra het Oekrainse leger denkt aan de winnende hand te zijn zal het modernste Russische wapentuig ingezet gaan worden. De separatisten willen natuurlijk de grote steden in handen krijgen, dat is fijner oorlogje spelen en zakkenvullen dan vanuit een greppel in het veld, maar Rusland interesseert dat niet zo, het is er alleen op uit de oorlog te rekken om mensen naar de onderhandelingstafel te krijgen voor zover dat mogelijk is, dan zijn grote stroken platteland ook prima als springplank naar de rest van de Zwarte Zee.quote:Op zondag 27 juli 2014 00:41 schreef Cherna het volgende:
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Niet al te fel als je het mij vraagt. Ze laten de separatisten tijdelijk vallen. Als de lucht geklaard is rondom MH17 zal men weer veel actiever worden.
Die bronverwijzing lijdt tot het volgende artikel:quote:The commander of the batallion "Donbass", Semen Semenchenko, claimed that Ukrainian troops reached Pervomaisk, where they were confronted by around 1,000 militiamen from Stakhanov and Alchevsk.[589]
Ik lees daarin geen woord over Semen Semenchenko of Pervomaisk. Als ik iets mis, of iets verkeerd heb begrepen word ik daar graag op gewezenquote:Oekraïense soldaten gevangen in de ring in de buurt van de grens met de Russische Federatie en vraag om hulp
Sinds gisteren zijn ze voortdurend gebombardeerd vanuit de "Grad" en mortieren
In de "Today" genoemd zone van ATO en gemeld dat op de grens met de Russische Federatie, in het dorp Deakovo, nabij de stad Antraciet Luhansk regio, ongeveer honderd strijders en militaire bewakers 79 luchtmobiele brigade gisteren voortdurend onder vuur.
Volgens de 21-jarige soldaat, een inwoner van Lviv regio, die anoniem wenst te worden genoemd, de tweede dag de jongens zijn vergrendeld aan drie kanten door de terroristen, en achter - de Russische kant. Manier terug te trekken uit de soldaten geen kracht om te beschermen op het einde.
Daarnaast is een van de lokale bevolking, die wilde persoonlijk de Oekraïense leger te melden, zei dat "na het bombardement ze gaan in het offensief 5-7000 separatistische terroristen uit de Russische Federatie, met als doel volledige vernietiging." Zoals, die niet vernietigen van de bommen - zal eindigen met de hulp van de Strelets wapens.
Militaire, zoals gerapporteerd door de grenswachter, schieten van "Grad", mortieren en artillerie "MSTA-S".
Als gevolg van de brand aanval gisteren doodde twee Oekraïense leger, en vandaag de dag vele gewonden.
Recall moeders en echtgenotes van de militaire 79 luchtmobiele brigade vandaag blokkeerde de brug in Nikolaev . Zij nodig hebben om de belofte van de president om een corridor voor de militaire en brengen hen uit het milieu terroristen vervullen.
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Donetsk aan de vooravond van de strijd
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Ukraine poised to try to reclaim Donetsk, its military says
[ Bericht 20% gewijzigd door deelnemer op 27-07-2014 11:15:03 ]The view from nowhere.
New York Timestwitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op zondag 27-07-2014 om 00:55:21RIA Novost informed "#USA intends inform #Ukraine on all separatis AA unit positions". RIA Novosti cnfrms of terrorists' such capabilit. reageer retweet
quote:Weve been cautious to date about things that could directly hit Russia principally its territory, but also its equipment, the official said. A proposal to give the Ukrainians real-time information hasnt gotten to the president yet, the official said, in part because the White House has been focused on rallying support among European allies for more stringent economic sanctions against Moscow, and on gaining access for investigators to the Malaysia Airlines crash site.
Plans to share more precise targeting information with Ukraine have the strong backing of senior Pentagon officials and would fit broadly into Mr. Obamas emerging national security doctrine of supporting allied and partner nations in defending their territory without direct American military involvement.
Providing the location of weaponry and military equipment for possible destruction something the United States does for Iraq in its battle against Islamic extremists, for example would not be technologically difficult. We think we could do it easily and be very effective, a senior military official involved in the discussions said. But there are issues of escalation with the Russians, and the decision about whether its wise to do it is complex.
quote:Rusland stuurt luchtvaartdeskundigen
Rusland stuurt vier luchtvaartdeskundigen naar Oost-Oekraïne om het internationale onderzoeksteam te ondersteunen bij het onderzoek naar de oorzaak van de vliegramp.
Rusland zegt dat de experts veel ervaring hebben en onder andere onderzoek hebben gedaan naar de crash van een Russisch passagiersvliegtuig dat in 2001 in de Zwarte Zee terechtkwam, meldt het ANP. Alle inzittenden kwamen daarbij om. Dat toestel was geraakt door een verdwaalde raket van het Oekraïense leger.
http://www.powned.tv/nieu(...)luchtvaartdesku.html
In de media is er wel sprake geweest over Semen Semenchenko en Pervomaisk. Waarschijnlijk een foutje met de link.quote:Op zondag 27 juli 2014 10:28 schreef DeJori het volgende:
Edit: Ik stel wel mijn vraagtekens bij de betrouwbaarheid van die tijdlijn. Zo wordt er in het artikel het volgende gemeld:
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Die bronverwijzing lijdt tot het volgende artikel:
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Ik lees daarin geen woord over Semen Semenchenko of Pervomaisk. Als ik iets mis, of iets verkeerd heb begrepen word ik daar graag op gewezen
quote:Op zaterdag 26 juli 2014 21:27 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
Pervomaysk[ afbeelding ]twitter:EuromaidanPR twitterde op zaterdag 26-07-2014 om 19:12:55#ATO forces are storming #Pervomaysk, #Luhansk region. 1K militants concentrated around https://t.co/bq7e9TFnzq |EMPR http://t.co/H44pP0bmBI reageer retweet
Disinformatie?quote:Yesterday our colleagues were returning from the border after delivering to the embattled Novorossiya yet another batch of humanitarian aid, which has been organized through IAC “Cassad” and “The Voice of Sevastopol”. En route, they shot footage of an interesting movement in the Rostov area (confirmed to be in the area of Novochercassk). A vast mechanized column (BTRs with infantry on board, tented trucks, staff vehicles, various ancillary equipment) is moving toward the border. According to rough estimates, the column has stretched out over ten kilometres.
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So, guys, literally five minutes ago I had a smoke with a friend, who yesterday took his relatives to the border-crossing checkpoint Donetsk-Izvarino. He has several relatives in the ranks of the Militia, who were the ones to escort them yesterday to the border, then crossed with them briefly and came back. Here are his impressions after meeting them over “tea”:
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4. Ukies’ shrieks that they are being pummeled from both sides of the border, to great astonishment, turned out not to be just fantasies on the part of the cretin Tymchuk. While no Russian troops appear to be involved, all the shelling is coming from neutral territory, from the so-called null-buffer zones on the border.
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In brief, that is all. I was especially pleased with points 3 and 4. Point 4 is a complete revelation, in a good sense of the word.
Verbaal terreurquote:Op zaterdag 26 juli 2014 16:06 schreef meth1745 het volgende:
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Ik vroeg me al een tijdje af waarom we nog geen "typische" terreuracties hadden gezien die haast standaard zijn in regionale conflicten. De Chechenen pleegden om de haverklap bomaanslagen, en waren de norm in Irak en Afghanistan, Syrië, Noord-ierland, etc..
Zou dit het begin ervan zijn, of slechts geisoleerde incidenten?
twitter:StateOfUkraine twitterde op zondag 27-07-2014 om 09:38:45Both Russian cmdr Strelkov in #Donetsk & several Ukrainian sources claim that the other side is preparing terror attacks in Kiev #Ukraine. reageer retweet
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