Palestina en Israel #150

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Op maandag 21 juli 2014 19:43 schreef timmmmm het volgende:

Basisschoolniveau hier, met je 'uitgeluld'. Vanaf nu gaan we hier strenger modden. Ik wil weer échte discussies kunnen houden, zonder users die persoonlijk worden of je aanvallen. De regels zijn zo simpel: ga fatsoenlijk met elkaar om, doe normaal

Toch schijnt dat niet zo simpel te zijn, dus ik zal het specificeren:
1 Het moment dat je iets over een user zegt, in plaats van (inhoudelijk!) over wat hij zegt, zit je fout
2 Niet schelden
3 Val andere users niet persoonlijk aan. Diploma niet gehaald, andere jijbakken, nergens voor nodig. Niet alleen zet je jezelf voor lul, je maakt de discussie onmogelijk
4 Ook al ben je het niet met elkaar eens: aan de andere kant van de computer zitten ook mensen. Als je het 'in het echt' niet tegen iemand zou zeggen, dan hier ook niet.

Er gaan hier meer posts verdwijnen als ze niet aan het bovenstaande voldoen. Kinderachtig zo, ik weet het, maar ik wil graag weer enig niveau terugbrengen.

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Op dinsdag 22 juli 2014 23:04 schreef Maanvis het volgende:

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Kun je er een paar recente uitlichten? Ik ben geen expert op dat gebied.

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(De) Likoed (Hebreeuws: הליכוד ,uitspraak: 'lie-koed', Nederlands: Eenheid) is een Israëlische politieke partij van conservatief-liberale signatuur. Ook is ze seculier zionistisch maar er is een zekere religieus-zionistische invloed te bespeuren.

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Op dinsdag 22 juli 2014 23:09 schreef CynicusRomanticusRob het volgende:

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The Middle East Problem

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This is absolute crap. Israel is about occupation, not 'peace' otherwise why would they pay settlers to move into Palestinian territory and forcibly evict the people that live there? Palestine isn't attacking Israel, they're trying to fight off an occupation force, much like if some country tried pushing into...say...Texas. Wouldn't Texans whip out some rockets? Well, Israel responds to these rockets, that essentially have the payload of a grenade and the accuracy of a slingshot fired at the moon with American made missiles that can devastate city blocks, and often do killing countless civilians. No, Netanyahu is a war criminal, and Israel should, itself, be held accountable for it's war crimes, and one day they will. Germany was, or do the zionists forget that?

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It's easy. It's because of his heavy use of rhetorical fallacies with very little stated fact with the exception of the wars (of which he conveniently forgets to state who supplied this new fledgling state their military tech [and it wasn't just the US. A major contributer was France]).

For instance, when he says ALL arabs want Israel dead. This is called a "hasty generalization" and quickly invalidates any argument. And he stays in this line of thought the whole time making more and more generalizations about both sides with marked very little empathy for the Pals and a ton of empathy for the Israelis.

Notice, he does not mention the forced disapora of the Pals nor does he mention the second-rate citizenships given to Israeli Pals and Pals in refugee camps nor does he mention the encroaching Israeli settlements (of which are illegal). He only mentions the wars.

Because of this, he states nothing but propaganda. Nor does he offer any solution because apparently it's impossible to find an solution but it's easy to condemn an entire people.

This is the basic definition of propaganda or as webster's defines it "ideas or statements that are often false or exaggerated and that are spread in order to help a cause, a political leader, a government, etc."

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Lies in this video :
- Arabs don't want Jews to die unlike what that video states and that's the biggest propaganda spread throughout Israel, propaganda that reaches brains of new generations and bring these children to hate arabs before they can even meet one
- Israel does not recognize the Palestinian state and since 1947 it has done everything it could to reduce it to nothing, reason why now it is referred to as a territory or a region and not a state, even on wikipedia
- Egypt never declared war on Israel and never moved armies to Sinai in 1967, Egypt's military was actually so surprised by the Israeli attack that we lost Sinai, and only got it back in 1973 when we finally did mobilize an army but not because Israel intended to give it back
- As a matter of fact Israel has been plotting to take Sinai again even after its loss only until Sinai has recently been proven to be Egyptian soil by an international court
- The guy says Israel gives land for the promise of peace, how can one believe that.. Israel has been greedy for land ever since 1947, it has crossed the 1947 initially drawn borders since the first five years it was instated, if Israel was as he says willing to coexist why do Israelis keep on buying the homes of Palestinians and force them out then ? They build Israeli complexes, schools, and roads and don't let Palestinians come back, on their own land !
- Lastly and mostly, there was never a Palestinian state !? I must be dreaming, there was never anything else but Palestine on this land, a state where jews, muslims, and christians were neighbors for centuries, it has been conquered many times throughout history, but it has always been Palestine because its people never made the difference between eachothers but it's only when a discriminating minority made that difference that was born zionism, and a state just for one kind of people...

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Israel claims to recognise a Palestine, with a remaining 18% of it's original land while it covets the 82% of the land and continues to build more "settlements." That is not peace.

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You could use this videos logic the same way to excuse the nazis invation of europe and creation of the third reich... just sayin... israel is an occupational force, commiting genocide, daily, since 1948... the rest of the world knows this, only you americans are stupid enough to believe their lies...

[quote]In europe, we're taught the facts, what both side claims and believes and investigate what actually is true. This video does NOT represent the whole truth and is made to skew your opinion in favor of the israeli genocide of the people of palestine ...