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Neuh. De hele community heeft MTGox gewoon doodverklaard.quote:Op dinsdag 11 februari 2014 07:04 schreef A321456 het volgende:
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Gaat hierdoor MT. Gox weer down en daarmee de rest?
Zal de toekomst van Gox nog invloed hebben op de koers nu het overal de nek om wordt gedraaid?
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quote:Op maandag 10 februari 2014 12:10 schreef Ame_thyst het volgende:
Post voor het nageslacht:
Had ik maandag 10 februari maar gekocht
Als jij al je vrienden mee neemt kom ik ook alleen
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Deposits ook. Wacht inmiddels al bijna 14 uur op een deposit. Support lijkt ook nog te slapen, of ze hebben het erg druk met vragen over vertraagde valutastromenquote:
GVD zeg, duren withdrawels van Cryptsy nu ook al zo lang? Pending pending pending
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Ik denk dat we Gox zelf ook nog wel kwijtrakenquote:
Gox is zijn eerste plek op bitcoinwisdom kwijt
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I'm sure by now everyone knows about the freak $100 Bitcoin sells on BTC-e and Bitfinex yesterday.
They were certainly very, very strange. In fact I don't think we've seen a move like this in the entire history of bitcoin. Yet too many people seem to be willing to dismiss this as an action of a dumb whale, perhaps magnified by trading bots/stop losses, and other traders panic-selling.
We need to wake up and pay more attention to this. What could've caused that whale to sell off? Even in December's crash which was more bearish and FUD-like we never saw this. From what I heard swirling around these forums it was somewhere around 5000 coins all at once on BTC-e. If a whale (or group of whales) were smart enough to accumulate that many coins, how could they have been stupid enough to sell off like that all at once? They must have lost millions of dollars.
Additionally, apparently MT4 went down for both BTC-e and Bitfinex during those brief candles. So far BTC-e owners have not acknowledged this, while Bitfinex has. This may or may not be relevant to the overall picture but it is another "weird" thing that happened.
I believe it can only be one of the two options below.
1. (Most likely IMO) It truly was a whale or group of whales selling off, and with a profit motive. They intended to quickly and swiftly induce a months-long bear market where they would be able to pick up cheap coins at the end. A bold plan, and it makes sense: if they could've sold the price down and held it down at an extreme price (say $300) for a couple hours, the momentum and panic after not seeing prices go up could induce a bear market. The conditions were very optimal: we were in the midst of Gox FUD and crash conditions to begin with, and it was 3am in the US, when most buyers would be sleeping. As mentioned before the trading bots and stop losses work in their favor with a drop that deep. Also, given the exchanges it occurred on, (low-volume btc-e), maybe there simply wouldn't be enough buyers online to buy the price up against panic sellers.
Some problems I see with this are:
-The entire "crash" was contained within a 1-hr candle on the charts, if they were going to be bold and smart about this they would have saved up some bitcoins to hold the price down in the next candles for appearances. They didn't.
-Why skip Bitstamp? Maybe they didn't have the coins to bring Bitstamp's books down, and expected Bitstamp to follow (or at the very least, equalize against BTC-e and Bitfinex) so that the price is still overall low enough to induce the bear. I still think this would be a gaping hole in their strategy, however.
-Completely wiping out the orderbooks all at once still seems like an inefficient way of doing things; there's not enough time for sell orders to pile up in all that space so the price can get bought up fast (which is what happened)
2. The government wants to bring Bitcoin down. It would make sense to do this in post-bubble conditions when you don't need as many coins to burn through the books since trading volume is down. Also, a large number of bitcoin-days were destroyed a couple days before this crash: maybe it was an off-the-books purchase for this exact purpose? Anyhow, if they were going to destroy Bitcoin, it would make sense to do so now, when the stock markets are shaky and people are looking for other places to store their money. In fact a fraction of the Silk Road coins alone would have been enough to pull off last night's shenanigans. And what better exchange to manipulate than BTC-e (anonymous owners, back-room deal possibly)?
Some problems:
Why would they do this before they've sold their Silk Road coins?
Why would they even sell their SR coins in the first place when they can use them to kill Bitcoin?
If they really wanted to destroy Bitcoin, infiltrating the mining pools and killing it from the inside would probably be less expensive. (However this is a technical kill, so people might move to Litecoin or make another coin in response. Maybe it's better to have people believe that market forces (themselves) are killing Bitcoin?
EDIT:
3. Somebody wanted to dump stolen coins. (Thanks Le Happy Merchant!) They dumped in a crash to camouflage their actions.
Some problems:
They still could've gotten a lot more money for their coins if they had patience and sold them off more slowly. In fact, selling coins off slowly would be blending in more wouldn't it? Still, a very likely scenario.
4. A mistake/typo, and somebody somewhere committed suicide today.
Some problems:
On both BTC-e and Bitfinex? Two exchanges at the same time, same typo, typo'd exact #'s of Bitcoin needed to sell to $100?
In conclusion, I see all three of these options as more probable than a dumb whale losing millions of dollars. If it is option #2, we have something to be concerned about. In fact I was posting in the comments on Yahoo News today, in both of the front-page articles about Bitcoin, and I noticed that my pro-btc posts were getting deleted. I must've posted the same thing 15 different times on two computers on two different Yahoo accounts. I swear this happened. We are getting censored on the mainstream news sites...
They were certainly very, very strange. In fact I don't think we've seen a move like this in the entire history of bitcoin. Yet too many people seem to be willing to dismiss this as an action of a dumb whale, perhaps magnified by trading bots/stop losses, and other traders panic-selling.
We need to wake up and pay more attention to this. What could've caused that whale to sell off? Even in December's crash which was more bearish and FUD-like we never saw this. From what I heard swirling around these forums it was somewhere around 5000 coins all at once on BTC-e. If a whale (or group of whales) were smart enough to accumulate that many coins, how could they have been stupid enough to sell off like that all at once? They must have lost millions of dollars.
Additionally, apparently MT4 went down for both BTC-e and Bitfinex during those brief candles. So far BTC-e owners have not acknowledged this, while Bitfinex has. This may or may not be relevant to the overall picture but it is another "weird" thing that happened.
I believe it can only be one of the two options below.
1. (Most likely IMO) It truly was a whale or group of whales selling off, and with a profit motive. They intended to quickly and swiftly induce a months-long bear market where they would be able to pick up cheap coins at the end. A bold plan, and it makes sense: if they could've sold the price down and held it down at an extreme price (say $300) for a couple hours, the momentum and panic after not seeing prices go up could induce a bear market. The conditions were very optimal: we were in the midst of Gox FUD and crash conditions to begin with, and it was 3am in the US, when most buyers would be sleeping. As mentioned before the trading bots and stop losses work in their favor with a drop that deep. Also, given the exchanges it occurred on, (low-volume btc-e), maybe there simply wouldn't be enough buyers online to buy the price up against panic sellers.
Some problems I see with this are:
-The entire "crash" was contained within a 1-hr candle on the charts, if they were going to be bold and smart about this they would have saved up some bitcoins to hold the price down in the next candles for appearances. They didn't.
-Why skip Bitstamp? Maybe they didn't have the coins to bring Bitstamp's books down, and expected Bitstamp to follow (or at the very least, equalize against BTC-e and Bitfinex) so that the price is still overall low enough to induce the bear. I still think this would be a gaping hole in their strategy, however.
-Completely wiping out the orderbooks all at once still seems like an inefficient way of doing things; there's not enough time for sell orders to pile up in all that space so the price can get bought up fast (which is what happened)
2. The government wants to bring Bitcoin down. It would make sense to do this in post-bubble conditions when you don't need as many coins to burn through the books since trading volume is down. Also, a large number of bitcoin-days were destroyed a couple days before this crash: maybe it was an off-the-books purchase for this exact purpose? Anyhow, if they were going to destroy Bitcoin, it would make sense to do so now, when the stock markets are shaky and people are looking for other places to store their money. In fact a fraction of the Silk Road coins alone would have been enough to pull off last night's shenanigans. And what better exchange to manipulate than BTC-e (anonymous owners, back-room deal possibly)?
Some problems:
Why would they do this before they've sold their Silk Road coins?
Why would they even sell their SR coins in the first place when they can use them to kill Bitcoin?
If they really wanted to destroy Bitcoin, infiltrating the mining pools and killing it from the inside would probably be less expensive. (However this is a technical kill, so people might move to Litecoin or make another coin in response. Maybe it's better to have people believe that market forces (themselves) are killing Bitcoin?
EDIT:
3. Somebody wanted to dump stolen coins. (Thanks Le Happy Merchant!) They dumped in a crash to camouflage their actions.
Some problems:
They still could've gotten a lot more money for their coins if they had patience and sold them off more slowly. In fact, selling coins off slowly would be blending in more wouldn't it? Still, a very likely scenario.
4. A mistake/typo, and somebody somewhere committed suicide today.
Some problems:
On both BTC-e and Bitfinex? Two exchanges at the same time, same typo, typo'd exact #'s of Bitcoin needed to sell to $100?
In conclusion, I see all three of these options as more probable than a dumb whale losing millions of dollars. If it is option #2, we have something to be concerned about. In fact I was posting in the comments on Yahoo News today, in both of the front-page articles about Bitcoin, and I noticed that my pro-btc posts were getting deleted. I must've posted the same thing 15 different times on two computers on two different Yahoo accounts. I swear this happened. We are getting censored on the mainstream news sites...
Ik spring van de brug af als LTC niet gauw weer naar de $23 grens gaat! :o
Snelle winst maken?
Kopen op Mt Gox en verkopen op BTC-e
Kopen op Mt Gox en verkopen op BTC-e
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Crash is nog niet eens begonnen, gisteren was een voorproefje.
Dat waren maar 3000 coins die verkocht werden en het zorgde voor zo'n grote crash.
FBI moet nog 144,000 coins verkopen.
Bitcoin gaat er echt hard aan binnenkort, een zinkend schip!!
Dat waren maar 3000 coins die verkocht werden en het zorgde voor zo'n grote crash.
FBI moet nog 144,000 coins verkopen.
Bitcoin gaat er echt hard aan binnenkort, een zinkend schip!!
Ik spring van de brug af als LTC niet gauw weer naar de $23 grens gaat! :o
quote:Op dinsdag 11 februari 2014 10:39 schreef lipjes het volgende:
Snelle winst maken?
Kopen op Mt Gox en verkopen op BTC-erip trolol dude.SPOILEROm spoilers te kunnen lezen moet je zijn ingelogd. Je moet je daarvoor eerst gratis Registreren. Ook kun je spoilers niet lezen als je een ban hebt.
Jij bent volgens mij echt ontzettend intelligent.quote:
Crash is nog niet eens begonnen, gisteren was een voorproefje.
Dat waren maar 3000 coins die verkocht werden en het zorgde voor zo'n grote crash.
FBI moet nog 144,000 coins verkopen.
Bitcoin gaat er echt hard aan binnenkort, een zinkend schip!!
o rlyquote:
Crash is nog niet eens begonnen, gisteren was een voorproefje.
Dat waren maar 3000 coins die verkocht werden en het zorgde voor zo'n grote crash.
FBI moet nog 144,000 coins verkopen.
Bitcoin gaat er echt hard aan binnenkort, een zinkend schip!!
Als jij al je vrienden mee neemt kom ik ook alleen
Mensen die niet gisteren op 102 of 103 gekocht hebbenquote:
Crash is nog niet eens begonnen, gisteren was een voorproefje.
Dat waren maar 3000 coins die verkocht werden en het zorgde voor zo'n grote crash.
FBI moet nog 144,000 coins verkopen.
Bitcoin gaat er echt hard aan binnenkort, een zinkend schip!!
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waarom zakt het nu weer zo
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Als jij al je vrienden mee neemt kom ik ook alleen
`Dus vanavond zou waarschijnlijk een goede tijd zijn om mijn 0.04 of 1(moet ik wat transferen) litecoin om te ruilen voor bitcoins en te wachten tot ze weer meer waard worden?
MisterTao recommender: darkkingll (i know.. :P )
quote:
`Dus vanavond zou waarschijnlijk een goede tijd zijn om mijn 0.04 of 1(moet ik wat transferen) litecoin om te ruilen voor bitcoins en te wachten tot ze weer meer waard worden?
Even kijken hoor....
quote:
`Dus vanavond zou waarschijnlijk een goede tijd zijn om mijn 0.04 of 1(moet ik wat transferen) litecoin om te ruilen voor bitcoins en te wachten tot ze weer meer waard worden?
Ja. Of nee. Of toch? Ja. Nee. Misschien.
Ik ga nu gelijk alles panic sellen.quote:
Crash is nog niet eens begonnen, gisteren was een voorproefje.
Dat waren maar 3000 coins die verkocht werden en het zorgde voor zo'n grote crash.
FBI moet nog 144,000 coins verkopen.
Bitcoin gaat er echt hard aan binnenkort, een zinkend schip!!
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