[F1] F1 nieuwtjes topic deel 125: Honda keert terug

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May 23 (GMM) Force India will oppose any move to alter Pirelli's existing 2013 tyres.

It has emerged in the Monaco paddock that, following the controversial reaction to its planned significant changes for Canada and beyond, the Italian supplier now intends only to tweak the rear tyres.

Germany's Auto Motor und Sport said the change would be only to the steel lining underneath the tread, which was overheating and causing delaminations.

Pirelli wants to revert to the kevlar lining of 2012.

"This would not change the shape of the tyre, so the teams would not have to change their aerodynamics," said Paul Hembery.

Correspondent Michael Schmidt, however, thinks the change could alter slightly the behaviour of the tyre, because temperatures would drop by up to ten degrees and reduce graining.

But motor sport director Hembery insists: "This change would not punish those who are already doing well with these tyres."

Nevertheless, Pirelli will struggle to get the change through.

"We will not agree to any change," said Force India's sporting director Otmar Szafnauer.

"Pirelli needs unanimity, and so nothing is going to change," he promised.

"We built our car based on the specifications given to us by Pirelli in September 2012.

"Changing the steel ring for kevlar changes the dynamics of the tyre, which some teams might prefer.

"We don't see why Pirelli should intervene just because a few teams are having problems. They should change their cars instead," added Szafnauer.

He also does not sympathise with Pirelli wanting to make the change to stop rear tyre deliminations.

"The tyres are safe," he said, "because when they are damaged they are still inflated. It just looks stupid, but we don't agree to the change just so Pirelli can have a better image."

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Op donderdag 23 mei 2013 16:01 schreef sasquatsch het volgende:
Force India tegen verandering van de banden

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Pirelli motor sport boss Paul Hembery has made clear his company’s frustration at the lack of an agreement to continue as F1’s sole tyre supplier in 2014 after its initial three-year deal runs out at the end of this season.

Pirelli has been under pressure from all sides regarding its role in how races unfold in 2013, and the uncertainty over the future has created extra pressure.

The added complication for Pirelli is that the turbo cars will have very different requirements, and until a deal is agreed the company is not in a position to push ahead with R&D.

“Apparently on the first of September we’re supposed to tell them everything that they need to know for the tyres for next season,” said Hembery today.

“We’re now mid-May, so you can imagine how ludicrous that is when we haven’t even got contracts in place. Maybe we won’t be here, anyway.”

Asked whether the chance of the ‘maybe’ had grown since the last race in Spain he said: “Well two weeks have passed, so it’s grown. At a certain point somebody’s got to make a decision.”

Hembery made it clear that without any testing with the new turbo cars it won’t be easy to get the 2014 tyres right.

“I won’t say it will be guesswork. You can get some indications that the power delivery will be very different, the top speed will be different, the aero loads will be dramatically different. There’s a big question on the correct tyre sizes for next year, you’ll have less aero downforce, so maybe you need wider tyres to create grip. There’s a risk of having excessive wheelspin.

“So there’s a lot of parameters there that would create quite a lot of concern, so you’d have to take from my point of a view a very conservative approach, so we’ll be back to no pit stops or one if you need to, and talk about other things.

“The changes are so dramatic, if you go round the teams and ask the teams how they perceive the cars next year you’ll have 11 different answers.”

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adamcooperf1 twitterde op zaterdag 25-05-2013 om 17:51:19 #F1 Also Toto Wolff formally confirmed 2014 Merc engine discussions with Williams. Meanwhile N Lauda is telling people the deal is done reageer retweet

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Mercedes is at the centre of a growing controversy ahead of the Monaco Grand Prix after it emerged the team had conducted a 'secret' 1000 kilometre tyre test at Barcelona after the last race.

The Brackley-based outfit has struggled to work out why its race form is no match for its qualifying efforts this season, having now secured four consecutive pole positions but struggled with tyre wear in the races.

AUTOSPORT can reveal that rival outfits have been left deeply unhappy that Mercedes was given a golden chance to boost its understanding of the issue with a private test at Barcelona last week.

Although in-season testing is banned, it is understood that Mercedes was requested by Pirelli to help work through the issues that the Italian tyre manufacturer has experienced in the last few races.

According to sources at Mercedes, the test was allowed because Pirelli can call upon one outfit for a private test to help it with products if circumstances dictate.

Mercedes is adamant that its running at Barcelona was totally within the regulations, but high-level sources have revealed that other teams are not convinced and the matter has now been taken up with the FIA.

Team principal Ross Brawn said that his outfit had worked tirelessly on the tyre issue since Barcelona - but did not make reference to the test when asked about what the team had done since the Spanish GP.

"I think when we got back from Barcelona we had some pretty long and deep meetings and decided a course of action," he explained.

"There were a lot of things going on already, so I don't want to create the impression that we got back and all of a sudden we started work. There was a lot of work going on already.

"I think some of the work was refocused in areas that we thought were maybe more relevant and in the last couple of weeks, Bob [Bell] has been directing all the engineering team to make sure that they focus on the areas that we felt were most important.

"We have come here with changes, and it is almost impossible at Monaco to judge those changes but we believe that they are relevant and give another snap shot of that at Montreal.

"But it won't be until we get to Silverstone that I think we can judge where we stand and there are more changes that we are trying - and trying to establish those changes in the best possible way with the limitations of going to races."

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adamcooperf1 twitterde op zondag 26-05-2013 om 20:15:50 #F1 Confirmation from the FIA Stewards that the Mercedes test saga will be passed onto a higher authority: http://t.co/g4i4QEX2Uu reageer retweet

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Op zondag 26 mei 2013 20:20 schreef Peterselieman het volgende:
terecht besluit. De stewards in Monaco kunnen er zelf niks mee, omdat het niets met de race te maken had.

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Op zondag 26 mei 2013 20:27 schreef µ het volgende:
Over twee weken live op veronica

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Op zondag 26 mei 2013 22:27 schreef LWD-Godius het volgende:
Lijkt me ook wel even handig dat je als Pirelli en Mercedes de FIA even inlicht over de plannen en testdatum en op een akkoord wacht.

Misschien dachten ze dat FIA al stilzwijgend akkoord was gegaan maar ik blijf dit toch een rare gang van zaken vinden, ook als je de reacties van andere teams hoort en wat er door Pirelli gesuggereerd werd over het aan elk team aanbieden van de test.

http://adamcooperf1.com/2(...)form-us-fia-confirms

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Op zondag 26 mei 2013 22:35 schreef sasquatsch het volgende:

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Pirellli zegt zich aan de regels gehouden te hebben door ook andere teams te vragen en al eerder met andere teams dit soort testen hebben uitgevoerd.

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Op zondag 26 mei 2013 22:42 schreef Peterselieman het volgende:

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Als het goed is was dat Ferrari na de race in Bahrein

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Op zondag 26 mei 2013 21:02 schreef Sinister-D- het volgende:
Leuk, die inside info

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Op zondag 26 mei 2013 22:42 schreef Peterselieman het volgende:

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Als het goed is was dat Ferrari na de race in Bahrein

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Op maandag 27 mei 2013 12:49 schreef sasquatsch het volgende:

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Klopt, maar dat was met een 2011 auto. Mercedes gebruikte de huidige auto met de huidige coureurs.

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Op maandag 27 mei 2013 12:50 schreef vosss het volgende:

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Zijn de huidige coureurs gebruikt? Dat mocht niet toch? Alleen de auto en geen personeel verder van het team dacht ik.

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Op maandag 27 mei 2013 12:52 schreef Tarado het volgende:

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Dat laatste kan niet eens

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And Mercedes chairman Niki Lauda insisted: "When we were asked to do this, our team boss Ross Brawn called Charlie Whiting and asked if a test is compatible with the sporting regulations.

"Charlie consulted with the FIA lawyers and gave us the green light.

"Moreover, Pirelli didn't just ask us, but Red Bull as well."

Christian Horner confirmed that Red Bull was asked by Pirelli. "We declined," he said, "because we are of the opinion that such a test violates the regulations."

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The issues here are: 1. Why was there no transparency? 2. Why did Mercedes use a 2013 car for an extended test? 3. Did Mercedes gain any competitive advantage for this years championship by doing this? 4. What exactly did the FIA sign off on and how much of their plans for this test did Pirelli and Mercedes share with the FIA?

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The FIA F1 Sporting Regulations clearly state that teams are not allowed to test current F1 cars during the season, except for straight line aerodynamic tests and the Young Drivers test. They are allowed to run cars that are two years old or more.

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The FIA says it was not aware that Mercedes would use a current car for this amount of running; it signed up for 100kms only. It was also not aware it would be conducted by its current race drivers and states that its approval was conditional upon the test being run by Pirelli, not the team.

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Mercedes was warned last year that there was no scope in the Formula 1 regulations for any private in-season testing.

As the Brackley-based team awaits news from the FIA about whether or not its recent Pirelli tyre test is to be investigated further, it has emerged that an email clarifying the testing situation was sent in April last year.

Addressed to all the teams, the FIA and Pirelli and written by the Formula One Teams' Association (FOTA), the email makes it clear that a tyre test can only take place if there is unanimous support among the teams.

The email, a copy of which has been seen by AUTOSPORT, states that following discussions with the FIA, it is clear that in-season tyre testing for Pirelli by a single team cannot take place.

"Pirelli is entitled under the terms of their agreement with the FIA to offer teams 1000km of tyre testing, subject to each team being treated equally," said the email.

"However there are no provisions within the Sporting Regulations for such testing to take place in-season.

Pirelli F1 2013"[FOTA has] spoken with Charlie [Whiting] to confirm the process going forward, and there are two options: 1. ALL teams want to take up Pirelli's offer and this is communicated to the FIA who will amend the Sporting Regulations; or 2. The test takes place out of season (and then the testing agreement comes into play)."

One month before the FOTA clarification, Pirelli wrote to the teams explaining that there was the possibility for 1000km of testing.

It was in this letter, sent by Pirelli to the teams, Bernie Ecclestone and the FIA, that the initial offer for teams to take part in such a test was made.

"Within our agreement with the FIA there is a provision to invite all teams to perform 1000km of tyre testing," wrote Pirelli motorsport chief Paul Hembery.

"If this is something your team would be interested in pursuing, please advise your interest so an eventual test date could be set. We would provide the track and service support."

Mercedes is adamant that it had more recent authority from the FIA to run its 2013 car at the Barcelona test, which took place in the week after the Spanish Grand Prix.

However, a statement issued by the FIA on Sunday night suggested that its approval for the test was conditional on all teams being invited to take part, and the car being run by Pirelli rather than Mercedes.

Following a protest by Red Bull and Ferrari over the matter, the Monaco GP race stewards are preparing a report for the FIA to judge whether or not the matter warrants a hearing.

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Op zondag 26 mei 2013 20:27 schreef µ het volgende:
Over twee weken live op veronica

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Op maandag 27 mei 2013 17:41 schreef Breaker.Faker het volgende:

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En zonder reclame ik hoop dat Olav Mol commentaar gaat verzorgen.

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Op maandag 27 mei 2013 15:24 schreef dz5b604 het volgende:

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Bottom Line, FIA is hypocriet bezig door nu een onderzoek te beginnen.

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Op maandag 27 mei 2013 23:12 schreef kepler het volgende:

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Nee, zijn ze verplicht omdat Ferrari en Red Bull protest hebben aangetekend

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Op maandag 27 mei 2013 17:49 schreef Joene het volgende:

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gewoon van dam . Ze zenden de sport 1 uitzending uit namelijk .

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Op dinsdag 28 mei 2013 00:59 schreef Schunckelstar het volgende:
wat zou de straf kunnen zijn?

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Op dinsdag 28 mei 2013 00:57 schreef vosss het volgende:
Mochten de mannen van Mercedes vanaf Canada ook ineens vooraan te vinden zijn de hele race dan denk ik dat je toch wel kan stellen dat ze er wel degelijk voordeel van gehad hebben.

Tuurlijk, de Q ging al goed een paar races, maar in de race was het gewoon ouderwets huilen met de pet op en rond P5-P8 rondbungelen. Net als de laatste jaren met Schumacher.

In Monaco is inhalen lastig, dus ik geef ze nog even het voordeel van de twijfel.

Mochten ze in Canada ook gewoon de hele race meestrijden om het podium dan denk ik toch dat ze er iets aan gehad hebben.En dan is het dus dom geweest van de FIA om toestemming gegeven te hebben.

We zien wel.

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Op dinsdag 28 mei 2013 09:41 schreef JohnB52 het volgende:
Mercedes heeft gewoon goede resultaten nodig, anders gaan ze zeker weten weg.

En ook fijn om een ander team vooraan te zien, goed voor t kampioenschap.