Presidentsverkiezingen USA 2012 #48 Weed and same-sex marriage !

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Op dinsdag 13 november 2012 12:07 schreef rubbereend het volgende:
Er wordt altijd zo'n ophef gemaakt over de Joodse stem maar die gaat al gewoon sinds '72 naar de Democraten.

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Op dinsdag 13 november 2012 12:07 schreef rubbereend het volgende:
Er wordt altijd zo'n ophef gemaakt over de Joodse stem maar die gaat al gewoon sinds '72 naar de Democraten.

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Op dinsdag 13 november 2012 16:46 schreef maartena het volgende:

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In 1972 won Nixon echter met overweldigende meerderheid (grootste ooit geloof ik) de (her)verkiezing.

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Op dinsdag 13 november 2012 12:07 schreef rubbereend het volgende:
Er wordt altijd zo'n ophef gemaakt over de Joodse stem maar die gaat al gewoon sinds '72 naar de Democraten.

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Op dinsdag 13 november 2012 16:55 schreef Morendo het volgende:
Wie ergert zich overigens nog meer aan het slappe, inhoudsloze geklets van Obama op politieke bijeenkomsten? Zeker als je de manische reacties van zijn zombie-achterban in ogenschouw neemt dan lijkt het nog het meest op de Nazi-partijdagen in Nuremberg.

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More than 100,000 Americans have petitioned the White House to allow their states to secede from the US, after President Barack Obama's re-election.

The appeals were filed on the White House's We the People website.

Most of the 20 states with petitions voted for Republican Mitt Romney.

The US constitution contains no provisions for states to secede from the union. By Monday night the White House had not responded.

In total, more than 20 petitions have been filed. One for Texas has reached the 25,000-signature threshold at which the White House promises a response.
'Blatant abuses'

The last time states officially seceded, the US Civil War followed.

Most of the petitions merely quote the opening line of America's Declaration of Independence from Britain, in which America's founders stated their right to "dissolve the political bands" and form a new nation.

Currently, the most popular petition is from Texas, which voted for Mr Romney by some 15 percentage points more than it did for the Democratic incumbent.

The text complains of "blatant abuses" of Americans' rights.

It cites the Transportation Security Administration, whose staff have been accused of intrusive screening at airports.

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Op dinsdag 13 november 2012 19:11 schreef zuiderbuur het volgende:

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Ik, maar slechts een beetje. Dat is toch een beetje van alle tijden, ook bij republikeinen?

Wordt Obama trouwens de volgende Abraham Lincoln?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20301477

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Op dinsdag 13 november 2012 19:17 schreef Yi-Long het volgende:

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Eigenlijk zou je ze ook gewoon daadwerkelijk eruit moeten trappen. Fuck Yeah America!

Zij willen geen onderdeel meer zijn van de USA, en de rationele Amerikanen kunnen dit soort racistische rednecks waarschijnlijk ook prima missen. Geef ze een eigen staat, dubbel hoge grenshekken en een gracht eromheen zodat er geen 'illegal aliens' over zullen steken, en laat het ze lekker zelf uitzoeken.

Wel hun citizenship afnemen uiteraard.

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Commentary: Politician wants Texas to secede because 'maggots' re-elected Obama
Bud Kennedy | The Fort Worth Star-Telegram

last updated: November 12, 2012 03:36:54 PM

Texas Republicans are already using the s-word.

One party official from Southeast Texas calls for -- not secession -- separation.

"Why should Vermont and Texas live under the same government?" writes Hardin County Republican treasurer Peter Morrison, a Ron Paul supporter and author of a race-heavy Tea Party newsletter.

"Let each go her own way," he writes, demanding an "amicable divorce" from the U.S. and from the "maggots" who re-elected President Obama.

Evoking the history of Confederate soldiers who refused to surrender after Gettysburg, Morrison, 33, calls for Texans to fight "in hopes that Providence might shine upon our cause."

Morrison is particularly angry at Asian-Americans and Hispanics who backed Obama, accusing them of voting on an "ethnic basis."

"'They' re-elected Obama," Morrison wrote. "He is their president."

Oh, did I mention that Morrison was chosen by former State Board of Education Chairman Don McLeroy to help screen Texas public school textbooks?

Morrison's nasty newsletter has several hundred readers. It's republished on Tea Party websites and redistributed by evangelical Republicans.

He has donated up to $40,000 per candidate and used his Morrison Report to oppose business conservatives allied with Texas House Speaker Joe Straus. In 2010, he used his newsletter to criticize Straus' rabbi and wrote that Straus "lacks the moral compass" to lead.

I called Kent Batman of Kountze, chairman of the Hardin County Republican Party, to ask if the rest of his county party backs secession.

Batman's response: "Wow."

He sighed and said, "OK, well -- I guess I need to start taking a look at his newsletters."

Morrison is a home- schooler and one of Hardin County's more libertarian Republicans, Batman said.

"People around here are asking why Texas is so different from the rest of the country, why we see things so differently," Batman said.

"But I don't think a lot of people here are saying we ought to leave the Union."

Another Republican, former U.S. Senate candidate Larry Kilgore of Arlington, writes on his website he will run for governor in 2014 under the name "SECEDE Kilgore."

It didn't work so well last time.

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Op dinsdag 13 november 2012 19:17 schreef Yi-Long het volgende:

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Eigenlijk zou je ze ook gewoon daadwerkelijk eruit moeten trappen. Fuck Yeah America!

Zij willen geen onderdeel meer zijn van de USA, en de rationele Amerikanen kunnen dit soort racistische rednecks waarschijnlijk ook prima missen. Geef ze een eigen staat, dubbel hoge grenshekken en een gracht eromheen zodat er geen 'illegal aliens' over zullen steken, en laat het ze lekker zelf uitzoeken.

Wel hun citizenship afnemen uiteraard.

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Op dinsdag 13 november 2012 19:17 schreef Yi-Long het volgende:

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Eigenlijk zou je ze ook gewoon daadwerkelijk eruit moeten trappen. Fuck Yeah America!

Zij willen geen onderdeel meer zijn van de USA, en de rationele Amerikanen kunnen dit soort racistische rednecks waarschijnlijk ook prima missen. Geef ze een eigen staat, dubbel hoge grenshekken en een gracht eromheen zodat er geen 'illegal aliens' over zullen steken, en laat het ze lekker zelf uitzoeken.

Wel hun citizenship afnemen uiteraard.

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Op dinsdag 13 november 2012 20:01 schreef Charles.Darwin het volgende:
Er zijn altijd wel een paar zotten in Texas die zo'n petitie opstarten. Na elke verkiezing is het raak - ook als de republikeinen winnen.

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Op woensdag 14 november 2012 09:12 schreef heiden6 het volgende:

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Volkomen begrijpelijk, maar de vorige keer dat staten zich afscheidden zijn ze met grof geweld bezet door de federale overheid onder leiding van Lincoln en dat zou nu weer gebeuren.

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Op woensdag 14 november 2012 16:06 schreef Sloggi het volgende:
Dat laat een behoorlijk ander beeld zien.

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Op donderdag 15 november 2012 16:20 schreef PKRChamp het volgende:
Ik zit ineens na te denken, de GOP heeft zich zelf genaaid.

Neocon Bill Kristol Admits Ron Paul Supporters Are the Future of The GOP

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Op donderdag 15 november 2012 14:52 schreef HD9 het volgende:

BILL CLINTON IN AMSTERDAM

Dat waren mooie jaren, iedereen werk, vrede, iedereen gelukkig en geld genoeg , maar komt wel weer denk ik, over drie jaar

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Op donderdag 15 november 2012 16:25 schreef popolon het volgende:

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Zelfs neocons geven het toe, min of meer. Hij krijgt 't amper uit z'n strot.

Neocon Bill Kristol Admits Ron Paul Supporters Are the Future of The GOP

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Op donderdag 15 november 2012 16:42 schreef thettes het volgende:

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Bill Kristol was ook een Palin supporter, dus of je aan zijn oordeel, ook nu, waarde moet hechten?

Even afgezien van de inhoudelijke kant van libertarisme, denk ik dat politiek succes er in ieder geval niet mee gaat komen. Het is te radicaal, te dogmatisch en daarnaast ziet ieder weldenkend mens dat het totaal onwerkbaar is in de praktijk. Daarmee schuif je echt elke verkiezing in de handen van de democraten.

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Op donderdag 15 november 2012 17:02 schreef Euribob het volgende:

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Dat ziet er voor de Republikeinen trouwens echt niet goed uit, daar in Texas.
In het Zuid-Oosten hebben ze trouwens een omgekeerde versie van de Nederlandse Biblebelt?

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Op donderdag 15 november 2012 17:15 schreef _dirkjan_ het volgende:

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Die omgekeerde bible belt heeft te maken met het feit dat daar vroeger veel (katoen-)plantages waren, waardoir er nog steedse grote groepen african americans wonen. Zuid Texas heeft te maken met instroom Mexicaanse migranten. Sommige forecasters voorspellen dat Texas binnen 15 jr een swing state wordt...

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Op donderdag 15 november 2012 16:46 schreef popolon het volgende:

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Het gaat niet persé alleen om het libertarisme natuurlijk, dat halen een paar mensen er steeds bij.

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Op donderdag 15 november 2012 17:32 schreef thettes het volgende:

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Nee okee, die mensen moeten ze sowieso naar de stembus krijgen, dat klopt. Maar hoe doe je dat zonder libertarische trekjes te tonen?

In het youtube linkje, waar ik voor de verandering eens op heb geklikt, gaat het toch vooral over non-interventionisme en dat jongeren minder waarde hechten aan 'social issues'. Maar als je die links laat liggen dan negeer je weer een ander potentieel kiezersblok.

Conclusie is wat mij betreft dat de GOP op dit moment wel degelijk een versplinterde partij is, althans een stuk meer dan de democraten. Maar wat je dan ook altijd ziet is dat een voldoende charismatische leider dat wel weer aan elkaar weet te plakken. En omgevingsvariabelen (economische toestand, democratische presidentskandidaat over vier jaar.. oorlogen, eventueel iets meer secularisering) spelen natuurlijk een voorname rol in die versplintering, die kunnen ook heel anders zijn over vier jaar.

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Op donderdag 15 november 2012 14:52 schreef HD9 het volgende:

BILL CLINTON IN AMSTERDAM

Dat waren mooie jaren, iedereen werk, vrede, iedereen gelukkig en geld genoeg , maar komt wel weer denk ik, over drie jaar

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Op donderdag 15 november 2012 17:46 schreef popolon het volgende:

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Dat geven grote jongens nu zelf toe dat de GOP een versplinterde bende is. En wat zijn Libertarische trekjes precies? Het terugbrengen vd schuld, het aanpakken vh over de balk smijten van belastinggeld en het kleinschaliger maken vd buitenlandse politiek is natuurlijk niet echt libertarisch. Obama en Romney hebben duidelijk laten zien daar niet echt mee om te kunnen gaan. Maar dat zijn wel de punten die over vier jaar gaan gelden.

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Op donderdag 15 november 2012 19:08 schreef heiden6 het volgende:

Congressman Ron Paul's Farewell Speech to Congress

Zegt een hoop zinnige dingen (aan dovemansoren gericht helaas).

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Op vrijdag 16 november 2012 02:03 schreef thettes het volgende:

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Ik heb het vanmorgen al geprobeerd te kijken, maar ik viel toch aardig in slaap na tien minuten. Maar dat kan natuurlijk ook door de zoveelste herhaling van zetten komen.

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Letter to a future Republican strategist regarding white people

November 9, 2012

To whom it may concern regarding the United States federal elections of 2014, 2016 and beyond:

Allow me to introduce myself to you, the existing (or aspiring!) strategist for the Republican Party. My name is Eric Arnold Garland and I am a White Man. Boy, am I ever – you need sunglasses just to look at my photo!

If I read the news correctly, I fit a profile that is of extreme importance to the GOP, as I embody the archetype that fits your narrative of Real Americans. Just how much should my profile interest you? Are you sitting down?

My family lineage goes back to the MAYFLOWER, BOAT ONE!!! (Garland family of New England-> John Adams -> Howard Alden -> Plymouth colony ->KINGS OF MUTHAF***IN’ ENGLAND)
I am a heterosexual, married to the super Caucasian mother of my two beautiful children who are, inexplicably, EVEN WHITER THAN I AM.
I am college educated (Master’s degree!) and affluent.
I am a job creator and small businessman.
We pay a lot of taxes! Every year!
I grew up in a rural area and despise laziness!
Having started my own business, I have complained at length about the insanity of federal, state and local bureaucracy – and its deleterious impact on the innovative small businessman.
I currently live in the suburbs in a historically Red state.

HOLY WHITE PEOPLE, BATMAN!!! Wow, you’re thinking – this is not some Mexirican in the Sun Belt we need to attract via harsh anti-Castro policies or appeals to “valores de familia” - this is the BREAD AND BUTTER OF THE GRAND OLD PARTY, a Mayflower-descended small business owner, burdened by taxation, looking out for his beautiful White family in the suburbs of a city (St Louis) surrounded by racial tension and urban blight!

How can I put this gently? My wife and I are not sensitive to your messaging, nor did we vote for the candidates you proposed for us this past Tuesday.

B-b-but, what? Aren’t we investors, hard-workin’ white folk surrounded by same in a manicured cul-de-sac, scared by a vision of economic collapse amidst the takers in a land of fewer givers? Didn’t Mitt Romney’s strong family, wealth, leadership history and chiseled chin give us the uncontrollable urge to high-five him into the White House?

No.

May I explain why not, purely for your education, such that you might be interested in winning an election on the national level at some point in the future? It bears pointing out that I should be your Low Hanging Fruit, the easy vote to get as opposed to, say, African-Americans, Latinos, or Asians – and you’re not even speaking well to me. The reasons why ought to concern you deeply.

As a Card-Carrying White Male I love expressing my opinion irrespective of whether people care to hear it, so let’s get started.

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Science - One of the reasons my family is affluent is that my wife and I have a collective fifteen years of university education between us. I have a Masters degree in Science and Technology Policy, and my wife is a physician who holds degrees in medicine as well as cell and molecular biology. We are really quite unimpressed with Congressional representatives such as Todd Akin and Paul Broun who actually serve on the House science committee and who believe, respectively, that rape does not cause pregnancy and that evolution and astrophysics are lies straight from Satan’s butt cheeks. These are, sadly, only two of innumerable assaults that the Republican Party has made against hard science – with nothing to say of logic in general. Please understand the unbearable tension this might create between us and your candidates.

Climate - Within just the past 18 months the following events have come to our attention: a record-breaking drought that sent temperatures over 100 degrees for weeks, killing half the corn in the Midwest and half the TREES on our suburban property – AND – a hurricane that drowned not New Orleans or Tampa or North Carolina but my native state of VERMONT. As an encore, a second hurricane drowned lower Manhattan, New Jersey and Long Island. The shouted views of decrepit mental fossil Senator James Inhofe of Oklahoma that this is a fraud perpetrated on the American people by evil, conspiring climate scientists is belied by such events and is looking irresponsible to even the most skeptical.

Healthcare - My wife and I are quite familiar with America’s healthcare system due to our professions, and having lived abroad extensively, also very aware of comparable systems. Your party’s insistence on declaring the private U.S. healthcare system “the best in the world” fails nearly every factual measure available to any curious mind. We watch our country piss away 60% more expenditures than the next most expensive system (Switzerland) for health outcomes that rival former Soviet bloc nations. On a personal scale, my wife watches poor WORKING people show up in emergency rooms with fourth-stage cancer because they were unable to afford primary care visits. I have watched countless small businesses unable to attract talented workers because of the outrageous and climbing cost of private insurance. And I watch European and Asian businesses outpace American companies because they can attract that talent without asking people to risk bankruptcy and death. That you think this state of affairs is somehow preferable to “Obamacare,” which you compared ludicrously to Trotskyite Russian communism, is a sign of deficient minds unfit to guide health policy in America.

War - Nations do have to go to war sometimes, but that Iraq thing was pretty bad, to put it mildly. Somebody should have been, I dunno – FIRED for bad performance. Aren’t you the party of good corporate managers or something? This topic could get 10,000 words on its own. Let’s just leave it at: You guys suck at running wars.

Deficits and debt - Whenever the GOP is out of power, it immediately appeals to the imagination of voters who remember the Lyndon Baines Johnson (!) administration and claim that the Republican alternative is the party of “cutting spending” and “reducing the deficit.” The only problem with your claim is that Republican governments throughout my entire 38 year life (Reagan, Bush 41, Bush 43) have failed to cut spending and deficit and debt EVEN ONCE. I hope you understand that your credibility suffers every time you promise one thing for three decades and do the EXACT OPPOSITE. Egads – if you actually were the party of fiscal responsibility – you might win our votes despite your 13th century view of science!

Gay marriage - As the child of Baby Boomers who got divorced (as was the fashion!) in the 80s and 90s, and for whom 50% of my friends had their homes broken by divorce in the critical years before age 18, I sure am unsympathetic to your caterwauling bullshit that “gays will destroy the sanctity of marriage.” Perhaps if everyone in your generation didn’t take the period of 1978 – 1995 to start surreptitiously banging their neighbors and coworkers, only to abandon their kids because “they just weren’t happy,” I would take your defense of marriage more seriously. The institution of Middle Class suburban marriage was broken by the generation of aging white Baby Boomers who populate what is left of the Republican Party, so your defense is wrongheaded and disingenuous. And moreover, as someone who got called “faggot” about 127 times a day from the years 1985 through 1991 – guess what – I grew up to be pretty good friends with actual homosexuals, whose sexual orientation is usually the least significant thing about them. The Republican perseveration on homosexuals as any sort of threat consigns them to history’s trough of intellectual pig dung.

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That’s quite enough for one essay, wouldn’t you say? Now, given my initial description as a wealthy, hard-working, job creating, heterosexual, married suburban White Male – doesn’t your current platform look woefully insufficient to the task of gaining my vote? This doesn’t even get into the demographic tensions that show that people of my exact profile are going away permanently in America. You can’t even win on what you perceive to be “home field advantage.”

Uh oh, wait, I can already hear you through the web browser, dismissing all of my above points because THAT GUY WAS NEVER GONNA BE A REPUBLICAN ANYHOW, CUZ HE’S A LIBRUL WHO HATES AMERICA AND…

All right, let’s do one last point:

Meanness- Your party is really mean, mocking and demonizing everyone who does not follow you into the pits of hell. You constantly imply – as Mitt Romney did in his “47% speech” – that anybody who disagrees with you does so not by logic or moral conviction, but because they are shiftless, lazy parasites who want “free stuff” from “traditional Americans.” Wow, you guys managed to follow up a stunning electoral defeat with insulting the very people you wish to attract for a majority in the political system! Brilliant! You are losing elections because being angry and defensive and just-plain-mean is more important than being smart and winning elections – and thus you deserve everything happening to you.

If you want to know exactly where you failed in 2012, and will continue to fail, here it is. Look you assholes, I’m as traditional an American as it gets, and I do not “want free stuff.” I am a taxpayer, and ALWAYS HAVE BEEN. I got my first job – dragging bags of cow manure, horse feed and fertilizer around a farm store – when I was 12. I started my first company when I was 28. I have followed the vast majority of the rules set out for middle class white males (for good and for ill.) And if it weren’t bad enough that your policy positions are a complete clusterfuck for the reasons I lay out in great detail, you manage to follow up the whole exercise with insulting me, my wife, and my friends of every stripe who didn’t vote for your political party – all of whom are hard-working, taxpaying, job creating, law abiding, great AMERICANS of EVERY COLOR AND CREED.

From this white, Mayflower-descended strategic analyst, allow me to offer you the three strategic options you have before you:

1. You drastically moderate your platform to harmonize with the policy positions I present above

2. You disband the party and reorganize it to reflect current realities

3. You kick and scream and stamp your feet and call me and my friends names – and submit to several decades of one party rule

While I do not want a one-party system, I also don’t particularly care which of these options you choose. If you look carefully at the numbers on Tuesday, nobody else cares, either.

Just a word to the wise from one White Man to (presumably) another.

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Op vrijdag 16 november 2012 02:03 schreef thettes het volgende:

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Ik heb het vanmorgen al geprobeerd te kijken, maar ik viel toch aardig in slaap na tien minuten. Maar dat kan natuurlijk ook door de zoveelste herhaling van zetten komen.

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Op donderdag 15 november 2012 19:08 schreef heiden6 het volgende:

Congressman Ron Paul's Farewell Speech to Congress

Zegt een hoop zinnige dingen (aan dovemansoren gericht helaas).

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Op vrijdag 16 november 2012 02:03 schreef thettes het volgende:

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Ik heb het vanmorgen al geprobeerd te kijken, maar ik viel toch aardig in slaap na tien minuten. Maar dat kan natuurlijk ook door de zoveelste herhaling van zetten komen.