Gesink zat er eerder dan Ten Damquote:Op vrijdag 19 oktober 2012 14:03 schreef thijsdetweede het volgende:
Ik vond Gesink ook wel opvallend:" 'We waren de laatste jaren juist een andere weg ingeslagen. Ik denk dat ik de eerste man ben van de nieuwe generatie. " Suggereert hij hier nou mee dat zijn voorgangers (Dekker? Boogerd? Menchov? Ten Dam?) daadwerkelijk aan de doping zaten?
Zo ging het bij Gerolsteiner wel.quote:Op vrijdag 19 oktober 2012 14:55 schreef thijsdetweede het volgende:
Als we trouwens cynisch willen zijn: Als komend jaar ineens een hoop Rabos (effectief) einde contract zijn, is dat niet het traditionele jaar om extra aan de doping te gaan?
(Disclaimer: Nee. Niet nu.)
quote:Armstrong has been planning to speak to the crowd of about 1,700 Livestrong supporters, cancer survivors and friends. He's expected to mention the decision to step down as chairman, but not the USADA report and evidence. Armstrong remains on the board of directors.
quote:Gazzetta reveal police taps of Dr. Ferrari and Michele Scarponi
Gazzetta dello Sport has published more details of the Padua police investigation into Dr. Michele Ferrari, reporting alleged conversations between Michele Scarponi and Dr Ferrari and revealing how he secretly worked with dozens of riders.
The Italian newspaper says the Italian police bugged the camper van Dr. Ferrari used when testing riders on the Monzuno climb near Bologna or at pre-arranged secret places, capturing a conversation on September 27, 2010 between the two about the Giro d'Italia.
"(Scarponi) tells Ferrari that he could have won the Giro and Ferrari replies that if he'd had a bag, he could have had a chance," Gazzetta reports the police report as saying.
Scarponi then talks through his training programme, criticising Dr. Ferrari for mistakes he made.
"The asterisk you did was wrong," Scarponi indicates going to indicate "the period when I had the virus, the asterisk to indicate period at altitude, then when he left for the Canaries, then the asterisk put there near the end when I was already high…."
"Scarponi also says that that his values are going higher and higher in April…. He asks is altitude works to stimulate and Ferrari says that he'd need three periods before the Giro, advising him Teide or Etna."
Scarponi finished fourth in the 2010 Giro d'Italia, while riding for Gianni Savio's Androni Giocattoli team. He joined the team in 2008 after completing an 18-month ban for his involvement in Operacion Puerto.
Scarponi has always denied doping but now risks a life-time ban for working with Dr Ferrari –who was banned from Italian sport in 2002. Scarponi also faces a detailed investigation by the Italian Olympic Committee.
It seems Scarponi continued to work with Dr Ferrari even in 2011, when he finished second behind Alberto Contador in the Giro d'Italia and was later named as the winner of the race following the Spaniard's doping suspension.
Scarponi's hotel room and bags were searched while training on Mount Etna in April 2011, after joining Lampre. Gazzetta claim he had secured 700,000 Euro contract with the team and is also caught up with the investigation into suspicious image rights contracts registered in Monte Carlo.
Menchov also named
Denis Menchov also appears in the Gazzetta story. The Russian stage race rider and currently team leader at Katusha is caught speaking to his agent Raimondo Scimone.
"(Menchov) wants that all the cyclists that work him are followed by Ferrari, especially Dimitri," Gazzetta report, suggesting that Dimitri indicates Dimitri Kozonchuk –who raced with Menchov at Rabobank and is currently with the RusVelo team.
On Thursday Scimone issued a statement deny any involvement in doping. However he risks being banned for the financial doping uncovered by the Padua investigation. It has revealed suspicious payments and image rights contracts that may have been transferred from Monte Carlo to Switzerland to pay Dr. Ferrari for his services.
Working with Interpol and the investigators from USADA as part of the investigation into Lance Armstrong, Padua public prosecutor Benedetto Roberti carefully followed the money and discovered a series of contracts and secret payments totaling a reported 30 million Euro.
Scimone, Dr. Ferrari and his son Stefano are under investigation in Italy for criminal association, smuggling, the sale, administering and use of doping products, tax avoidance and money laundering.
Gazzetta report that police documents claim that Ferrari "put in place a strategy to secretly follow (as a de facto team doctor) cyclists from Astana, RadioShack and many others."
"To help the two teams, under pressure from the media, he got his son Stefano to physically work with the teams, ding tests, analysis and coaching, even if he didn’t have the qualifications to do the work of his father."
Dr Ferrari has always denied doping despite being named hundreds of times in the USADA investigation evidence.
http://www.cyclingnews.co(...)and-michele-scarponi
twitter:TheRaceRadio twitterde op vrijdag 19-10-2012 om 14:48:26La Gazzetta reporting UCI will give it's position on USADA/Armstrong Monday reageer retweet
Ik verwacht het niet, misschien dat kijkers juist afhaken omdat "onze" nationale Oranje wielerploeg niet meer meedoet.quote:Op vrijdag 19 oktober 2012 11:35 schreef marcodej het volgende:
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Zullen de kijkcijfers echt minder worden?
Daar zat ik dan fout.quote:Op vrijdag 19 oktober 2012 12:47 schreef Zelva het volgende:
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Dat is nooit een regel geweest, maar een interne afspraak van de AIGCP, waar ploegen zich vanaf minuut nul al niet aan hielden.
quote:Scarponi hits back at Dr. Ferrari accusations
Lampre-ISD riders claims he only underwent tests with disgraced doctor
Michele Scarponi responded to accusations that he is a client of Dr. Michele Ferrari with a carefully worded statement.
On Friday Gazzetta dello Sport published extracts from police documents allegedly giving details of conversations between the Lampre-ISD rider and Dr. Ferrari. A conversation apparently captured by a listening device in Dr. Ferrari’s camper concerns what Scarponi may have needed to win the Giro d’Italia.
"(Scarponi) tells Ferrari that he could have won the Giro, and Ferrari replies that if he'd had a bag, he could have had a chance," Gazzetta reports the police report as saying in investigative documents.
Scarponi replied in a press release issued by his agent Raimondo Scimone, who is also embroiled in the Padua investigation into Dr. Ferrari. Scimone has admitted he is also under investigation but has denied this is for any doping crimes.
Last year he denied ever working with Dr. Ferrari to Cyclingnews. Now he has changed his version, claiming he only underwent two tests with the disgraced Italian sports doctor. He also claims he did not work with Ferrari after signing a contract with Lampre in 2011. Scarponi finished fourth in the 2010 Giro d'Italia and was declared the winner of the 2011 Giro after Alberto Contador was disqualified as part of his doping ban.
Ferrari was banned for life by the Italian Olympic Committee in 2002, and Scarponi now risks a getting a ban for working with him.
Filippo Pozzato was banned for three months for his links with Dr. Ferrari recently. Other riders may face similar bans and could be involved in doping investigation following the revelations of the USADA documents.
“There is only one truth: In September 2010, on my own initiative, I did a test, divided over two different days, in the presence of Dr. Ferrari,” Scarponi says in the statement.
“After I signed my contract with Lampre, which started on January 1, 2011, I followed the orders of the team and the Mapei Center for all my preparation and training.”
“I was searched in April 2011 while I was training at altitude on Etna with other members of the team and at the same time at home, and also received official notification about the investigation by the Padua investigators. I showed the statement (from the search) to my team, which stated that no illegal drugs had been found (the article claims that illegal drugs were found in all the searches).”
“Any other affirmations other than these are not true and to be considered false and damaging to my image and that of the team. As a result, the authors will have responsibility for them and will be called to do so by my lawyers. They have already contacted the Italian Anti-Doping investigators to explain my position, as was already done in June.”
The June hearing was pushed back upon the request of Scarponi. The Padua police have refused to reveal the details of the evidence they have on Scarponi and any other Italian riders, fearful of leaks that could compromise the case.
They expected to formally conclude their investigation in a month’s time and so the full details will soon emerge.
Ik denk dat hij niet op specifieke personen doelt maar op het 'oude' wielrennen in het algemeen. En mocht hij toch bepaalde personen bedoelen bijv. Boogerd dan kan je redeneren dat iemand als Boogerd zonder doping nooit zou kunnen winnen omdat in het oude wielrennen doping 'normaal' was.quote:Op vrijdag 19 oktober 2012 14:03 schreef thijsdetweede het volgende:
Ik vond Gesink ook wel opvallend:" 'We waren de laatste jaren juist een andere weg ingeslagen. Ik denk dat ik de eerste man ben van de nieuwe generatie. " Suggereert hij hier nou mee dat zijn voorgangers (Dekker? Boogerd? Menchov? Ten Dam?) daadwerkelijk aan de doping zaten?
Eens.quote:Op vrijdag 19 oktober 2012 11:24 schreef Wespensteek het volgende:
Eindelijk, dat moeten alle grote sponsoren doen zodat al die valsspelers het gaan voelen op de bankrekening. Zodra doping hun geld gaat kosten zal het draagvlak om het stil te houden snel weg zijn en dan worden de valsspelers wel verraden door mensen wiens baan ook in gevaar is.
Vanuit de Rabobank zelf is dus druk op de ploeg gezet om voor een Tourzege te gaan, ondanks dat de gehele dagelijkse leiding van de ploeg daar tegen was omdat het dopinggebruik in de hand zou werken. Toch heeft de Rabobank doorgezet en zelfs Raas vervangen omdat hij teveel tegenstand bood tegen de opgelegde Tourambities. Rabobank heeft als sponsor dus willens en wetens risico's opgezocht met te hoge ambities in een peloton waarin nog volop doping werd gebruikt.quote:'Gaan voor geel' luidt eind 2001 het nieuwe motto, als de bank het sponsorcontract met de wielerploeg vernieuwt. De sponsor wil desnoods met buitenlandse aankopen streven naar de Tourzege. Tot ongenoegen van de ploegleiding - manager Raas, arts Leinders en de ploegleiders Theo de Rooij en Adri van Houwelingen. Na een reeks dopingaffaires is bij iedereen duidelijk dat de ploeg bij te hoge Tourambities medische gevaren loopt. 'Gevaren die met name het grijpen naar verboden middelen kunnen inhouden', staat in een interne mail van de ploegleiding, in het bezit van deze krant.
Als de toenmalige Rabotopman Heemskerk in februari 2002 bij de ploegpresentatie op Papendal desondanks openlijk spreekt over Tourwinst, wendt Van Houwelingen geschrokken het hoofd af. De bank strijdt achter de schermen met manager Raas, die in 2003 gedwongen wordt om te vertrekken en De Rooij als opvolger krijgt. De Zeeuw gaat nooit in op de achtergrond van zijn afscheid, op één zin na in een biografie in 2009. "Wanneer ik mijn dossier over diverse gebeurtenissen in en rond de ploeg zou laten lekken, bestond er allang geen Rabowielerploeg meer."
Hij gaat het niet toegeven hoorquote:Op zaterdag 20 oktober 2012 00:53 schreef j0rdiiii het volgende:
Als het goed is begint die persconferentie om 1:00 Nederlandse tijd met ook Armstrong aan het woord. Iemand enig idee of het nog ergens live is te volgen?
Klopt. Het feit dat zelfs Fernando Alonso genoemd werd in Operacion Puerto zegt genoeg. En dat gaat over F1, een sport waar fitheid van coureurs wel belangrijk is, maar geen limiterende factor.quote:Op zaterdag 20 oktober 2012 00:01 schreef Wombcat het volgende:
Idd, zeg maar rustig dat alle sporten verpest zijn.
Waarschijnlijk niet nee maar dat maakt niet uit. Wat hij ook zegt, ik moet het zien natuurlijk.quote:
Fair enoughquote:Op zaterdag 20 oktober 2012 01:01 schreef j0rdiiii het volgende:
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Waarschijnlijk niet nee maar dat maakt niet uit. Wat hij ook zegt, ik moet het zien natuurlijk.
Schaken nog nietquote:Op zaterdag 20 oktober 2012 00:01 schreef Wombcat het volgende:
Idd, zeg maar rustig dat alle sporten verpest zijn.
twitter:Pearcesport twitterde op zaterdag 20-10-2012 om 01:11:29Lance Armstrong due to speak for about 5 minutes at 0130 BST. Media not allowed in room, but speech will be released on YouTube half later reageer retweet
http://www.cyclingnews.co(...)s-current-generationquote:"I think it’s up to us to prove to the world that cycling is more clean. I think the big problems are behind us," he said.
"It’s the older generation. Of course there are still some problems sometimes but it’s maybe less than one percent of the new cycling generation. I think we’re all pretty clean and we have a new style and a new image with riders like Wiggo, who’s pretty special, and it brings some new interest to cycling. We are a new generation and it’s good for our sport."
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