Koerdisch conflict #6 Westen bevrijd?

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Op zondag 12 augustus 2012 09:24 schreef Aladeen het volgende:
Jammer dat er zo veel koerden uit Turkije voor de PKK zijn, er zijn alternatieve voor koerden in Turkije zoals de BDP, die de problemen van de koerden zonder geweld proberen optelossen.

BDP = PKK = BDP = PKK = BDP = PKK = BDP = PKK = BDP = PKK = BDP = PKK

Zal het ooit mogelijk zijn dat Turken Koerden en Armenen vreedzaam in ��n land kunnen samenleven?
Dan weer lees je in de krant een aanslag op Turkse militairen of een bomaanslag in Turkije, en dan weer even later over een Turkse vergeldingsactie tegen groepen rondom de daders.

Als samenleven in ��n land niet goed mogelijk is, is het verstandiger elk volk zijn eigen gebied te geven, waar ze dan zelf mogen regeren.

Hetzelfde geldt ook voor het Israel Palestina conflict: Daar is de kans ook klein dat ze allemaal in ��n land elkaar verdragen. Geef ze daarom maar elk een eigen souvereine staat.

Niemand hoeft trouwens te verhuizen in zo'n situatie, behalve als hij, in het gebied van de andere partij woont en, er een zooitje van maakt

Niet iedereen kan in ��n huis wonen met elkaar, zeg ik altijd. Dat komt overal ter wereld voor.

Ondertussen in Kirkoek, de stad die op 'ontploffen' staat;

Arabieren, Koerden en Turkmenen spelen 'Siniya' in Kirkoek tijdens Ramadan

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Op zondag 12 augustus 2012 13:06 schreef ClioSporT het volgende:

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BDP = PKK = BDP = PKK = BDP = PKK = BDP = PKK = BDP = PKK = BDP = PKK

Echt? want een vriend van me zij juist dat ze tegen de PKK zijn en alls proberen vredig op te lossen?

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Op zondag 12 augustus 2012 15:00 schreef Peunage het volgende:
Ondertussen in Kirkoek, de stad die op 'ontploffen' staat;

Arabieren, Koerden en Turkmenen spelen 'Siniya' in Kirkoek tijdens Ramadan

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In de wijk waar ik geboren ben (Kirk�k) leven de Arabieren, Turkmenen en Koerden vredig samen. Ze spreken allen, alle drie de talen. Gaan bij elkaar op bezoek en de kinderen spelen samen buiten. Tijdens de oorlog verstopte Koerden en Turkmeen zich bij de Arabieren als Saddam langs kwam. En als de Peshmerga langs kwam verstopten de Arabieren en Turkmenen zich bij de Koerden. Niemand in de wijk heeft haat gevoelens naar elkaars volk, maar ze hebben haat gevoelens naar de leiders (Saddam, Barzani).

Edit: Nu geen Saddam meer..

PKK heeft een Turkse parlementari�r ontvoerd in zijn stemgebied(Tunceli, provincie waar veel Alevitische Zaza-Koerden en Turken wonen).

http://www.hurriyetdailyn(...)=27661&NewsCatID=338

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Op zondag 12 augustus 2012 16:24 schreef Aladeen het volgende:

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Echt? want een vriend van me zij juist dat ze tegen de PKK zijn en alls proberen vredig op te lossen?

heeft je vriend ook gevraagd of je met hem wil spelen in de bergen, toevallig met ak47's ?

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Op zondag 12 augustus 2012 22:27 schreef Eagle_99 het volgende:
PKK heeft een Turkse parlementari�r ontvoerd in zijn stemgebied(Tunceli, provincie waar veel Alevitische Zaza-Koerden en Turken wonen).

http://www.hurriyetdailyn(...)=27661&NewsCatID=338

Volgens Senor Chang is het ontvoeren van parlementariers niet terroristisch. Het ontvoeren van leraren en artsen is ook niet terroristisch volgens senor chang.

De PKK ontvoert 11 mensen, steekt 11 vrachtwagens en een bouwmachine in brand. Dit gebeurde tijdens de aanleg van een vliegveld in Hakkari (Koerdisch gebied)\

http://www.ekonomistturk.(...)a-kacirdi/14703.html

Het is een Turkse bron, echter de PKK en de BDP hebben het niet ontkend. Het is duidelijk dat de PKK niet wil dat de Koerdische gebieden zich ontwikkelen. De Turkse regering legt een vliegveld aan en de arbeiders worden overvallen en ontvoerd. Wie wil er in een gebied investeren waar vrachtwagens in brand worden gestoken? De PKK is de grootste oorzaak van het wegblijven van investeringen in het zuidoosten. Door de PKK is het zuidoosten van Turkije armer en minder ontwikkeld dan de rest van Turkije.

De PKK is hard afgestraft in Semdinli. Volgens de PKK zouden de terroristen grote delen van Semdinli 'bevrijd' hebben en zou het leger de controle verloren hebben. Daar is niets van waar gebleken. Waar zijn de beelden van feestende PKK aanhangers? Er zijn op zijn minst 115 PKK strijders omgekomen. Het leger heeft het gebied schoongeveegd en de acties zijn gestaakt.

Heb gisteren een foto genomen van een artikel uit de krant hurriyet, vrij vertaald staat het volgende hierin:
PKK terroristen hebben in Hakkari (Turkse provincie in het oosten, waar veel koerden wonen) bij de bouw van een vliegveld 11 vrachtwagens en 1 werkmachine in brand gestoken. Vervolgens hebben ze 11 bouwvakkers gegijzeld voor 5,5 uur.

De Koerden zetten iedereen tegen elkaar op. Nice .

US accuses Iran of supporting Kurdistan Workers’ Party

ERBIL, Aug. 18 (AKnews) - The US ambassador to Turkey Francis Ricciardone has accused Iran of providing arms to the Syrian regime and organizations including the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK).

Turkish news agency Cehan said: "Ricciardone claimed during his meeting with the Minister of European Union Affairs and chief Turkish negotiator Laghman Bagis that the Iranian authorities are providing forces loyal to Bashar al-Assad with various weapons, pointing out that the latter distributes them among elements of the PKK in Syria.”

The Iranian embassy in Turkey issued a written statement denying the accusations, claiming that such accusations target Iran’s reputation in the region and create strife and disagreements between Iran and Turkey.

By Abdul Qader al-Wandawi

AKnews

BBC REPORTAGE (VIDEO)

Kurds seek autonomy in a democratic Syria

16 August 2012 Last updated at 21:44 GMT Help
As the fighting in Damascus and Aleppo intensifies, Syria's President Bashar al-Assad's security forces have relinquished control of several Kurdish towns in order to concentrate on battling the rebels elsewhere.

Kurdish leaders claim they now control about 50% of the territory there, and warn they will take up arms against the regime if it tries to return. They say they want autonomy in a democratic Syria.

With a combined total of about 30 million, Kurds are one of the world's largest stateless people. In Syria, they make up just under 10% of the population.

Orla Guerin reports.

VIDEO: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19291072

Concert voor de Peshmerga Troepen van West-Koerdistan in West-Koerdistan

Christians at Ease with Kurdish Control of Syrian Kurdistan



DIRK, Western Kurdistan – Members of the Christian community in Syrian Kurdistan say they are at ease with Kurds ruling the recently liberated areas.

For centuries, Kurds have lived side by side with Assyrians, Chaldeans and Armenians in the border town of Dirk, recently liberated from Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s forces.

Mishwar Street is the main street in town. The quarters surrounding the street are commonly known as the “Christian neighborhood” among the predominantly Kurdish population. They call it “Xana Falaya” in Kurdish.

In contrast to the Kurds in Syria who are politically united under the banner of Kurdish rights and freedom, the Christian community is politically divided. Some of them still praise Assad’s regime, while others demand its fall.

Since liberation of the town from Assad’s regime was declared on July 21, Kurds have controlled the area and all the governmental institutions. And, according to the local Christian community in Dirk, they are satisfied with the Kurds ruling their area.

Zaki al-Qais spoke to Rudaw from his car on Mishwar Street. “Our situation here is good,” he said. “Not much has changed since the Kurds have taken over the town from the government forces. For us, it was also good in the past when the government was here. We never have problems with the state, whether it is the Assad government or the Kurdish government.”

When Rudaw asked Qais if he wanted Assad’s rule in Syria to end, like many others he said, “Do not ask anymore political questions.”

Abdul Ahad Ishaq, a resident of Dirk’s Christian neighborhood, said he is “utterly satisfied” with the temporary Kurdish authorities in his area because they provide the population with their daily needs.

“The Kurdish authorities provide us with gas, electricity and water. If we need anything in the neighborhood, they will provide it without favoritism or prejudice. They also protect us, so we are utterly satisfied,” he said.

Ishaq added, “If the Salafis or Muslim Brotherhood in the Syrian opposition want to come and control our areas, we will not accept it.”

Masoud Abdul Ahad, a political bureau member of the Assyrian Democratic Organization in Dirk, told Rudaw that although Syrian Christians are not members of the Kurdish Supreme Committee and still advocate participation in the Syrian National Council (SNC), Kurdish relations with the Christian community in Syria are historical, and therefore they often meet with Kurdish political parties.

“Our relations with the Kurds are historical so there is no racism or anything between us, and we are in the SNC because most of our representatives are based outside Syria,” Ahad said. “We have good relations with all the Kurdish parties and what we call ‘the Christian nation’ here in Syria has no problem with the Kurds now ruling the region temporarily.”

The regime of Assad used to protect the Christian community, and parts of it still adore him. “He is our great leader. We love him,” said George Radi, adding that they feel protected when Assad is in power. “If he is in power we have no problem. We know he is going to win and will protect us. Long live the great leader Bashar.”

Dr. Gabir Qas, a well-known figure in the Christian community, told Rudaw that while people are satisfied with Kurdish authorities in Syria’s Kurdish region, they still see the FSA as a direct danger to their lives, which is why they want Assad to stay in power.

“People are happy with the Kurds having taken over and running governmental affairs here, because they are a peaceful opposition,” Qas said. “But our Christian community is uncertain about the armed opposition in Homs and Hama because we do not know what they want from us and from the people of Syria.”

He added that uncertainty has led many in the Christian community to continue to support the Assad regime, which is “fear or the fact that no one can protect them from the Syrian armed opposition apart from Assad.”

The Kurdish authorities in the liberated parts of the Kurdish region of Syria stand against any sort of discrimination and also prevent any prejudice against Arabs, Armenians, Assyrians and Chaldeans. The new mayor of Dirk, elected to town council just after Kurds declared the town liberated, is a Christian Kurd.

http://www.rudaw.net/english/news/syria/5094.html

Enkel in ''Oost-Turkije'' zijn er Koerdische nationalisten? O ja, Turken?

Koerden zingen een Koerdische nationalistisch/guerilla lied in de metro in ISTANBUL.

PKK Says Shemzinan Area Under Full Control

QANDIL, Kurdistan Region -- The People’s Defence Forces, known by its Kurdish initials as (HPG) -- an armed wing of the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) -- claim that the Shemzinan area is no longer under Turkey’s control.

Bakhtiyar Dogan, spokesperson of the HPG, said the group’s guerillas had besieged Turkish army camps in the area. “Shemzinan is currently under the control of our guerrillas. Most of the Turkish army bases in the area are under siege and no longer under the control of the Turkish army,” he told Rudaw.

“Turkish helicopters and fighter jets have been trying to fly over, but due to HPG’s attacks they have withdrawn from the area. The Turkish army has failed to end the besiegement,” Dogan said.

The assault on Turkish military outposts in Shemzinan began on July 23 and is ongoing, despite Turkish efforts to put an end to the clashes.

Dogan said, “We are protecting our people and continuing our struggle against the occupation of Kurdistan. We will expand the areas of our struggle. We have adopted expansionist tactics in other cities of Kurdistan. We will stand against Turkey’s anti-Kurdish politics.”

According to HPG’s announcements, 200 Turkish soldiers have been killed since the assault began. However, the Turkish interior minister claims that eight Turkish soldiers and 114 guerrillas have been killed.

In this regard, Dogan says that the HPG informs the public of the results of its attacks, but that the Turkish government is conducting a media, as well as a military, campaign.

“Turkey considers itself the second most powerful force in NATO,” he said. “Therefore, it does not want to publish the actual causalities from the fight … and doubles and triples the casualties of the HPG to mislead the Turkish public.”

To back up this claim, Dogan notes that HPG guerillas have seized weapons from 20 killed soldiers, more than double the number of casualties the minister reported.

On August 3, Murat Karayilan, the acting head of the PKK, announced that the group had a new policy. “No longer is the inside/outside borders terminology valid. That terminology is history,” he said, noting that PKK fighters were 35 kilometers deep inside Turkish borders.

Dogan said, “The Turkish government continues its policy of eliminating the Kurdish people and guerrilla forces in 2012. In order to move the Kurdish problem a step forward, we have started a new revolutionary assault.”

According to Dogan, HPG guerrillas have targeted military camps in Celi, Girde, Sere Sewe, Blican and Qarapash – all in zone 49 -- in the past few days. The Turkish military has responded by bombarding the area with F16s, Sikorsky helicopters and mortar rockets.

The goal of the HPG assault, its spokesperson said, is to end the occupation of Kurdistan. “The Turkish occupation is eliminating Kurdish people. Therefore, we have adopted a new policy, which has started with controlling Shemzinan. We will expand the war. I believe Kurdish people welcome the HPG’s revolutionary tactic,” Dogan said.

He added that, besides Shemzinan, HPG guerrillas are spreading into Dersim, Amed, Sarhad, Botan, Hakkari, Sirnax and many other cities in Turkish Kurdistan.

“However, the conditions in Shemzinan are different,” Dogan said. “We have adopted a new tactic in Shemzinan. For the freedom of Kurdistan, we have to expand this tactic.”

http://www.rudaw.net/english/kurds/5075.html

Het Turkse leger is blijkbaar afgemaakt in Semdinli, want nog steeds is het gebied afgesloten voor Media DOOR HET LEGER. Dat geeft je wel een indruk van de ernst van de situatie.

The battle of Semdinli

ALONG Turkey’s southern border, in a far-flung corner of the country that is wedged between Iraq and Iran, separatist rebels of the outlawed Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) have been waging one of the fiercest battles in recent years against the Turkish army. For nearly two weeks, PKK rebels entrenched around the township of Semdinli in the Hakkari province have resisted an onslaught by Turkish helicopters and fighter jets that have been pounding the mountainous terrain, setting fire to forests and forcing hundreds of villagers to flee. The battle is said to have spread to the outskirts of Semdinli, an impoverished town of 19,500 where sympathy for the PKK runs strong.

Sedat Tore, Semdinli’s mayor from the pro-Kurdish Peace and Democracy Party (BDP) says the din of artillery and bombs "is terrorising our people". Plumes of smoke have enveloped the town. "We are in a circle of fire," implores Mr Tore.

Details of the clashes remains sketchy because the combat zone has remained sealed off by the army ever since the battle started on July 24th. The army moved in following reports that PKK militants had set up checkpoints along a road connecting Semdinli to the northern town of Derecik and blown up several small bridges. The PKK claims to have killed as many as 49 Turkish soldiers and that it is controlling the areas surrounding Semdinli. The army denies the claims saying it has lost only two men and that it has killed at least 37 PKK rebels. "We really don’t know what is happening because the government won’t allow us to go in [to the combat zone]" said Esat Canan, a BDP MP in Semdinli, who expressed concern for villagers caught in the conflict.

The shroud of mystery thickened after Turkey’s foreign minister, Ahmet Davutoğlu, told a group of journalists this week that he knew what was happening in Semdinli but that "I won’t tell you." Turkish officials claim that the army has foiled PKK plans to spark an "Arab Spring" type uprising in the region but have failed to explain why the fighting has gone on for so long. A PKK affiliated website claimed on August 3rd that the rebels had launched a separate attack in the township of Eruh further west killing at least 11 soldiers. Turkish officials acknowledged that two soldiers died in the attack.

The rebels are expected to further escalate the violence before August 15th, which marks the 28th anniversary of their campaign for an independent Kurdish state uniting some 30m Kurds, scattered across Turkey, Iran, Iraq and Syria. They have been emboldened by recent gains by Syrian Kurds, led by a sister group in the Democratic Union Party (known by its Kurdish initials PYD), which has wrested control of a string of Kurdish majority Syrian towns along the Turkish border.

Turkey has responded by beefing up its troops and ordinance along the border and threatening to intervene should the PKK use Syria as a launching pad for its operations. Amid all the chest-pounding there are some hopeful signs that Turkey’s ruling Justice and Development (AK) party has not abandoned reforms in favour of an all out (and long tested) "military solution" to the Kurdish problem. Even as the Turkish jets continued to rain bombs around Semdinli, AK MPs in Ankara gathered with opposition members in the Turkish parliament to thrash out the draft of a new constitution that the prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, has promised to deliver.

The wording is expected to pave the way for the Kurds’ long-standing demands to educate their children in their long-banned mother tongue and to shelve references to Turkish ethnicity in relation to citizenship. But there is a hitch. According to the drafting committee’s own rules there needs to be unanimity among members for any new article to be approved. The far-right Nationalist Action Party, which denies there is a Kurdish problem, is pushing back. To his credit Mr Erdogan has done more than any of his predecessors to improve the Kurds’ lot. But unless he resumes talks with the rebels that broke down last year, the scenes in Semdinli are likely to be repeated.

The Economist

De PKK/HPG heeft verschillende controle-posten opgezet in ''Turkije''. Het Turkse leger kan er blijkbaar niets aan doen, want dat gebied zijn ze verloren (terwijl het Turkse claimt van niet. Dit is duidelijk bewijs dat ze liegen):

BDP leden / parlementari�rs ontmoeten PKK vrijheidsstrijders.
Ze roepen ''lang leve de guerilla, lang leve Koerdistan''.

Dit is het gebied dat volgens de Turkse media ''onder controle van het Turkse leger is''....

WHAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAA!

Nogmaals, het gebied dat volgens Turkse media ''onder controle van het leger is''.

YEAH RIGHT!!!!!!

Shamzinan

filmpje sluit niet uit dat het gebied onder controle van het Turkse leger is ...

Turkse Minister in Colemberg.
Dit is 'Turkije', toch Turken?
Waarom heeft deze minister zoveel bescherming nodig en schijten de Turkse veiligheidsdiensten in hun broek?

Koerden in Colemberg vallen posten en de minister aan, roepen leuzen.


Allemaal recent, nadat de PKK een grootse overwinning heeft behaald in Semdinli.

US: High ranking Peshmerga officers participate in a course



At NPS institution, a delegation from high ranking Peshmerga officers including Jabar Yawar, participate in a course that deals with managing conflict and crisis during conflicts or wars.

The institution is located in California.

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