Revolutie in Egypte #192: Waar het leger met Chemische wapens aanvalt

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Op zondag 15 januari 2012 22:05 schreef Joost-mag-het-weten het volgende:
En ondertussen trekt El Baradei zich terug als presidentskandidaat. Officieel "omdat Egypte niet klaar is voor verkiezingen" , maar in feite omdat hij zich de blamage wil besparen natuurlijk. Hij heeft totaal geen binding met het Egyptische volk, laat staan een achterban ...

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Op zondag 15 januari 2012 22:05 schreef Joost-mag-het-weten het volgende:
En ondertussen trekt El Baradei zich terug als presidentskandidaat. Officieel "omdat Egypte niet klaar is voor verkiezingen" , maar in feite omdat hij zich de blamage wil besparen natuurlijk. Hij heeft totaal geen binding met het Egyptische volk, laat staan een achterban ...

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Op zondag 15 januari 2012 22:05 schreef Joost-mag-het-weten het volgende:
En ondertussen trekt El Baradei zich terug als presidentskandidaat. Officieel "omdat Egypte niet klaar is voor verkiezingen" , maar in feite omdat hij zich de blamage wil besparen natuurlijk. Hij
heeft totaal geen binding met het Egyptische volk, laat staan een achterban ...

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Eyptische blogger Nabil krijgt gratie

De Egyptische blogger Michael Nabil heeft gratie gekregen. Dit is vandaag van een bron bij justitie vernomen.

Een Egyptische militaire rechtbank had hem in december tot 2 jaar cel veroordeeld wegens kritiek op het leger. Michael Nabil was om hetzelfde feit eerder tot 3 jaar veroordeeld, waarna hij in hongerstaking ging. Daarop volgde een nieuw proces, waarin hij dus een jaar minder kreeg.

Nabil had op zijn blog de regerende militairen bekritiseerd en mannen opgeroepen de dienstplicht te ontduiken.

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Op donderdag 19 januari 2012 12:38 schreef rakotto het volgende:

A square final#1 door chaosmesis

Dit is nadat de "historische" gebouw in de fik ging. Wat de mensen hier in de fik steken is het gebouw waar de mensen/leger/aanvallers op staan.

Lol @ oude man at 3 min 13 seconden.

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Op zaterdag 21 januari 2012 18:58 schreef Joost-mag-het-weten het volgende:
Islamisten wonnen verkiezingen in Egypte

In Egypte hebben de moslimpartijen zoals verwacht de verkiezingen van de afgelopen maand gewonnen. Toch is het nog niet duidelijk hoe het nu verder moet in Ca�ro.

De verkiezingen voor een nieuw parlement hebben meer dan een maand geduurd en verliepen volgens een erg ingewikkeld systeem. Daarom heeft het wat geduurd vooraleer de resultaten bekend raakten en ook nu nog is er geen absolute zekerheid.

Wel is duidelijk dat de twee grote moslimpartijen bijna twee derde van de parlementszetels in handen krijgen. De Partij voor Vrijheid en Gerechtigheid (PLJ) zou 235 van de 498 zetels krijgen, goed voor ongeveer 47%. Die partij is de politieke vleugel van de Moslimbroederschap in Egypte. De PLJ draagt een van haar toplui, Saad al-Katatni (boven rechts) voor als parlementsvoorzitter.

De meer radicale salafistische Nour (Licht) krijgt ongeveer 121 zetels of 24%. Die partij is veel extremer dan de PLJ en kiest voor het theocratische model zoals in Saudi-Arabi�.

De liberale partijen trokken in verspreide slagorde naar de stembus. De Waf kreeg ongeveer 9% van de stemmen en het Egyptische Blok (een alliantie van liberale en seculiere partijen) zou kunnen rekenen op ongeveer 7%.

De Revolutie Duurt Voort-partij, die voortkomt uit de jongeren die de revolutie tegen het regime van Moebarak organiseerden, haalt opvallend slechts 7 zetels in het nieuwe parlement.

Daarmee is de kous evenwel nog niet af. De militaire raad die de opperste macht in het land is sinds het aftreden van president Hosni Moebarak een jaar geleden, kan nog 10 parlementsleden naar keuze aanduiden.

Binnenkort zijn er overigens nog verkiezingen voor een hogerhuis en in juni zouden er presidentsverkiezingen komen. Tot dan blijft de huidige militaire raad en haar voorzitter stafchef Mohammed Hoessein Tantawi, officieus staatshoofd.

Het ging om de eerste vrije verkiezingen sinds de militaire staatsgreep van Naguib en Nasser in 1952. Het parlement moet nu een constituante aanduiden die een nieuwe grondwet moet schrijven. Daarna zouden er opnieuw verkiezingen komen voor een volwaardig parlement volgens de nieuwe regels.

Hoelang de militaire raad nog de plak zal zwaaien in Egypte, is nog niet duidelijk. Wel begint het militaire bestuur veel Egyptenaren op de zenuwen te werken, want de junta lijkt niet echt van plan om snel de macht over te dragen.

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Op zaterdag 21 januari 2012 20:30 schreef Drifter__ het volgende:

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Juist niet opvallend.
In een zo korte periode georganiseerd en veel aanhang te bemachtigen is onmogelijk. En al helemaal niet als er nog een partij als De MB bestaat.

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Op zaterdag 21 januari 2012 22:59 schreef rakotto het volgende:

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Tja, als terroristen boven op de daken staan van een gebouw en je met scherp neerschieten, dan zou ik het ook doen.

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Op zondag 22 januari 2012 14:48 schreef Aether het volgende:
Toekomstperspectief Arabische Lente: Politieke Islam versus de jeugd van Tahrir.

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Maikel Nabil slams Egyptian military regime as the enemy

Activist who was released from jail last week reveals he is still an unabashed critic of military junta at press conference

With his angry and immediate denunciation of the Egyptian military, Maikel Nabil became an early critic of the country's new rulers at a time when they were at the peak of their popularity, following the fall of Hosni Mubarak. But it was not long before they were knocking at his door.

He subsequently spent 302 days behind bars before being released on the eve of the first anniversary of the 25 January revolution, 80 days of which he spent on a hunger strike. This weekend, he spoke of his ordeal and revealed that he remains an unabashed critic of the military junta. "We have one enemy, the military regime and its political dictatorship … It is imperative that we bring down the … military regime, and that there be a complete separation between the military and political activity." He also stressed the importance of "defending the prisoners of the revolution … we cannot forget them".

At a press conference on Saturday, Nabil recounted how he was kept in a tiny cell with a lightbulb switched on and off at one-minute intervals, in a bid to affect his psychological state, he believed. He also said that he was sprayed by an unknown substance while blindfolded a day before his interrogation, which made him groggy and unfocused during questioning.

Nabil said that he was forced to watch other prisoners being stripped and beaten. Yet he says he was not bowed by his experience and remains fiercely critical of the military, to the extent that he refuses to accept his pardon because he is adamant he should not have been tried in the first place.

Nabil's case was divisive among those who formed the opposition to Mubarak, and later the military rulers who replaced the president. The first person to be tried and sentenced for his views after the revolution, he was a Coptic Christian who vehemently criticised the Coptic Church's docility over the Mubarak regime, and a pacifist who refused military service, which is obligatory in Egypt.

Mainly he was a headache for activists because of his markedly different stance towards Israel. Activists in Egypt tend to be opponents of Israel, but Nabil took a more favourable view. He therefore became emblematic of the protection of free speech – even if you disagreed with his views, as many activists were at pains to point out.

It was a blogpost Nabil wrote criticising the military that caused the authorities to come knocking at his door on 28 March 2001. "The army and the people were never one hand," he wrote, an inversion of the chant that used to ring out in Tahrir Square.

In his post, Nabil spoke of how the military were arresting protesters from the day Mubarak deployed them across the country after police forces had collapsed under the weight of anger on the streets.

Nabil's premise was that the military was not the saviour it was portraying itself to be, and that they would be little better than the Mubarak regime.

Meanwhilee, on Sunday, the trial began of a doctor accused of carrying out the infamous "virginity tests" on female protesters who were detained in Tahrir square and taken to military prisons.

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Egypt football violence: 'I saw people with knives and swords'

Witnesses give their account of clashes between Al-Ahly and Al-Masry supporters in Port Said as country mourns 74 dead

Mohamed Hamouda was celebrating the third goal by his team, al-Masry, when a policeman standing near the playing field caught his eye. "A police officer told supporters to come on to the pitch," Hamouda claimed in the aftermath of Egypt's deadliest night of football violence, which killed 74 people and wounded hundreds more. "The gates on to the pitch were opened on purpose by someone before the game started."

Nursing an arm he said was injured trying to defend besieged fans from the Cairo-based al-Ahly club, Hamouda said nothing was normal about the chaotic end to the football game on Wednesday night that has reignited a combustible post-Mubarak Egypt. "When the match was over supporters rushed on to the pitch and then the lights went off," he said. "People didn't know who was with who. I then saw people throwing the al-Ahly supporters from the stands.

"The gate at the exit was also closed by someone on purpose. I saw people yesterday with knives and swords. I don't know them, they were not from Port Said."

The mad scramble to escape the carnage inside the Port Said stadium has horrified Egyptians, who are demanding answers about how and why the violence happened, who – if anyone – might have played a role in inciting it, and why the police and security forces appeared to do so little to stop it. The question remains whether the deaths and injuries were the result of simple football hooliganism that spiralled out of control, the inaction of the Egyptian police, who appear to have done nothing to stop the violence as it escalated, or whether it was orchestrated by the state, with paid thugs sent into the crowd to stir up trouble.

Many of the country's new legislators are calling for Egypt's military rulers to be held to account for a death toll unprecedented in the past year of turmoil and scenes that have weakened an already unstable and volatile state.

Tension had been building throughout the game, a grudge match between two historical foes. Two hardcore groups of fans, known as ultras, sat among the rival supporters. The ultras, who partly model themselves on Italian, Serbian and even British football gangs, have thrown themselves into the revolution's front lines over the past year, fighting frequent pitched battles with riot police.

Eyewitnesses spoken to by the Guardian said there was more to the violence than pure football hooliganism, the reason put forward by the Supreme Command of the Armed Forces, which has ruled Egypt since Mubarak's removal.

Whatever the cause, the aftermath has become a political crisis. A day of highly charged accusations that security officials had partly engineered the violence in revenge for the ultras' role in revolutionary violence has led on Thursday night to renewed clashes near Tahrir Square, close to the interior ministry headquarters. The same riot police who were accused of standing back on Wednesday night as a group of al-Masry ultras stormed the field, in pursuit first of the al-Ahly players and then their fans – ultras and regular supporters – fired volleys of teargas at protesters.

Al-Masry fans spoke of supporters at the game whom none of them knew. "We were surprised by buses coming from out of town carrying supporters wearing the shirts of al-Masry ultras," said Hamouda.

Salah Abdel-Naeem el-Masry, a protester who was at the game, was just as shocked. "I swear it wasn't the people of Port Said who did this. I saw a young boy jump off the top of the stand out of fear. He landed on the top of the mosque and broke his leg."

He too claimed that there was more to the violence than initially met the eye. "I don't understand how five gates could be opened at the same time as soon as the referee blows the whistle," he said. "I ran to find the Ahly supporters injured, I went down to ask the security forces to do something and one of them told me he wouldn't because he didn't want to get hurt."

Mohamed Saleh, the security supervisor for the al-Masry club, claimed that he too noticed people in the crowd whom he described as "strangers". He said they were not the only strange part of an evening in which little went to a well-established security script.

"There are many reasons behind what happened," he said. "The banner, the gates being opened, the criminals in the crowd and Nile sports channel showing the al-Ahly ultras' buses arriving on the screen inside the stadium.

"The locks on three gates were broken throughout the game, by whom I don't know. I've been here four years and I've never seen some of the people I saw inside. Yes, they were from Port Said, but they were not the people I see regularly. I've never believed in conspiracies until yesterday. I've decided to not work in football again."

Mohamed Shaaban, who travelled from Cairo for the game, was in the main stand and saw frequent pitch invasions throughout the match, none of which were stopped by police. He said he noticed a lack of security well before kick-off. "When going into the stadium I was late, the police outside weren't in big numbers as they usually are for this game," he said. "As al-Ahly players were warming up on the pitch, fans were throwing missiles at them. Insults were exchanged by both sets of supporters but what really inflamed things was the banner unfurled by Ahly fans saying there were no men in Port Said.

"There were a lot of people around the pitch throughout the entire game and I have no idea who they were. Fans stormed the pitch at half-time and stayed around the pitch. When Masry scored more people would leave the stands and head to the pitch to celebrate with the players. Missiles were exchanged between the stands.

"The Ahly dressing room was beneath the stand that held the Ahly supporters. The gate between one of the stands and the pitch was opened as the game ended and fans rushed through. I could see the Ahly supporters rushing to the exits but they didn't seem able to leave."

Islam Saeed, a member of the al-Ahly ultras, said some al-Masry supporters were mocking the dead and injured after the game and stopping ambulances from arriving. He said a sense of foreboding had been building all night.

"Hundreds would storm the pitch after every goal, so we could sense what was going to happen. There was a huge lapse in security. The police non-intervention was very strange – there was practically no security outside the stadium and inside it they didn't do anything when events escalated.

"This was gross security incompetence coupled with the barbarity of some supporters. This has been happening for the past five years but security always intervened. They didn't this time. If you allow this to happen then you are liable for the deaths."

The family of one 16-year-old ultra, Mohamed Ahmed, had travelled from Cairo to find him. His cousin, Alaa, was in tears after a fruitless search through hospital morgues in Port Said, which were holding more than 50 bodies. The hospital was caring for several hundred casualties, many of whom were crushed against locked gates.

Protesters in Port Said marched through the streets of the city on Thursday, disavowing links to the violence. The region's governor has resigned his post, along with the region's security chief.

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Op vrijdag 3 februari 2012 07:24 schreef Drifter__ het volgende:
Als de Egyptenaar echte vrijheid en democratie krijgt, dan ga je problemen krijgen in de regio. Dat gaat dus koste wat het kost verkomen worden.

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Op vrijdag 3 februari 2012 21:04 schreef ClapClapYourHands het volgende:
Emotionele beelden hoor bij Terzake van gisteravond

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http://video.canvas.be/terzake-donderdag-2-februari

Vanaf 27:50

Echt trieste beelden. !

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Op vrijdag 3 februari 2012 22:15 schreef rakotto het volgende:
Een schokkende plaatje van de resultaten toen na de wedstrijd. Een aanvaller is te zien, met de wapens die in beslag zijn genomen, 1 dode en 1 gewonde.

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Op vrijdag 3 februari 2012 22:15 schreef rakotto het volgende:
Een schokkende plaatje van de resultaten toen na de wedstrijd. Een aanvaller is te zien, met de wapens die in beslag zijn genomen, 1 dode en 1 gewonde.

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Hoho.....je leest toch wel wat er staat?

Op de ene foto staat origineel en de ander kopie.
Dit zijn foto's uit Yemen(dat kind), man met zwaarden(KSA), open rug(Syri�).

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Op zondag 5 februari 2012 23:48 schreef rakotto het volgende:

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Ik zie niets op AJE.