MO Midden-Oosten
Bespreek hier de actuele situatie omtrent het Midden-Oosten.
Ik denk dat de mensen bij de NAVO o.a. de veroorzaakte vluchtelingenstroom hebben onderschat.
The problem is not the occupation, but how people deal with it.
denk niet dat die vluchtelingenstroom uberhaupt meegenomen is in de beslissing
Op zondag 8 december 2013 00:01 schreef Karina het volgende:
Dat gaat me te diep sp3c, daar is het te laat voor.
Dat gaat me te diep sp3c, daar is het te laat voor.
Kan best, wat nogal kortzichtig is. Zeker als Itali daarin een belangrijke rol moet spelen.quote:Op dinsdag 2 augustus 2011 23:32 schreef sp3c het volgende:
denk niet dat die vluchtelingenstroom uberhaupt meegenomen is in de beslissing
The problem is not the occupation, but how people deal with it.
Dit inderdaad, denk dat Khadaffi een hogere prioriteit had.quote:
denk niet dat die vluchtelingenstroom uberhaupt meegenomen is in de beslissing
quote:NEW YORK — De VN-Veiligheidsraad vindt geen gepast antwoord op het bloedig neerslaan van protest en het doden van burgers in Syri. Vooral het aanhoudende conflict in Libi werkt verlammend, menen diplomaten bij de Verenigde Naties.
ja nou laten we wel wezen, dit had natuurlijk al lang afgelopen moeten zijnquote:
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Kan best, wat nogal kortzichtig is. Zeker als Itali daarin een belangrijke rol moet spelen.
dat halve zachte gedoe werkt gewoon niet maar iedere keer proberen 'we' het weer
je kunt geen oorlog uitvechten zonder slachtoffers, dat moet je ook niet proberen
doe het goed of doe het niet want nu valt er een veelvoud aan slachtoffers als wanner je gewoon in het begin hard en hoog (Ghadaffi's hoofd) in had gezet en met alle mogelijke middelen naar Tripoli was opgetrokken om vervolgens direct weer op het schip naar huis te stappen ... puur en alleen de regime change en verder niets
nu verscheurt het land iedere dag met elke dode aan welke kant dan ook steeds een stukje verder en je gaat op een punt uitkomen waar je beter een demarcatielijn en 2 nieuwe staten op de kaart kunt tekenen want die gaan never nooit meer vredig naast elkaar wonen in 1 land
Op zondag 8 december 2013 00:01 schreef Karina het volgende:
Dat gaat me te diep sp3c, daar is het te laat voor.
Dat gaat me te diep sp3c, daar is het te laat voor.
Als je dit weet, waarom in godsnaam vraag je dan waarom het een domme, ondoordachte Westerse aanval was?quote:
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ja nou laten we wel wezen, dit had natuurlijk al lang afgelopen moeten zijn
dat halve zachte gedoe werkt gewoon niet maar iedere keer proberen 'we' het weer
je kunt geen oorlog uitvechten zonder slachtoffers, dat moet je ook niet proberen
doe het goed of doe het niet want nu valt er een veelvoud aan slachtoffers als wanner je gewoon in het begin hard en hoog (Ghadaffi's hoofd) in had gezet en met alle mogelijke middelen naar Tripoli was opgetrokken om vervolgens direct weer op het schip naar huis te stappen ... puur en alleen de regime change en verder niets
nu verscheurt het land iedere dag met elke dode aan welke kant dan ook steeds een stukje verder en je gaat op een punt uitkomen waar je beter een demarcatielijn en 2 nieuwe staten op de kaart kunt tekenen want die gaan never nooit meer vredig naast elkaar wonen in 1 land
Ah, ze is hier ook weer lekker bezigquote:
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Als je dit weet, waarom in godsnaam vraag je dan waarom het een domme, ondoordachte Westerse aanval was?
!!! Go 49-ers !!!
Weet iemand hoe het zit met de Libische staatstelevisie, waar is deze nog te vinden op de sat?
!!! Go 49-ers !!!
Libyan missile misses Italian warship
Tripoli, Libya (CNN) -- Libyan government forces fired a missile at an Italian warship in the Mediterranean Sea on Wednesday in a rare attack on the NATO fleet offshore, a government spokesman said.
The frigate Bersagliere was about 19 kilometers (12 miles) off the Libyan city of Zlitan when the missile fell harmlessly into the sea about 2 km away, the Italian defense ministry and NATO reported.
"The ship was not harmed and continued on its mission," NATO said in a statement. "NATO ships go in harm's way to seek those military targets which continue to threaten the people of Libya."
In Tripoli, government spokesman Musa Ibrahim told reporters that the missile had been launched by troops that remain loyal to longtime Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi.
"We have amazing capabilities that we have not felt that we need to use," Ibrahim said. "Our army is still very strong. We haven't used our real military power."
He discounted allied claims that pro-Gadhafi forces had been reduced to 20% of their capabilities, adding, "For God's sake, if we are down here to 20%, what am I doing here?"
Gadhafi's forces have been battling a nearly six-month-long revolt that has split Libya roughly in half. NATO planes and warships joined the fight in March, pounding government troops under a U.N. mandate to protect civilians from reprisals by Gadhafi loyalists.
Though most of the allied campaign has been conducted from the air, NATO warships reported fighting at least two brief sea engagements with pro-Gadhafi forces off the port city of Misrata in May.
Bron: http://edition.cnn.com/20(...)index.html?hpt=hp_t2
Tripoli, Libya (CNN) -- Libyan government forces fired a missile at an Italian warship in the Mediterranean Sea on Wednesday in a rare attack on the NATO fleet offshore, a government spokesman said.
The frigate Bersagliere was about 19 kilometers (12 miles) off the Libyan city of Zlitan when the missile fell harmlessly into the sea about 2 km away, the Italian defense ministry and NATO reported.
"The ship was not harmed and continued on its mission," NATO said in a statement. "NATO ships go in harm's way to seek those military targets which continue to threaten the people of Libya."
In Tripoli, government spokesman Musa Ibrahim told reporters that the missile had been launched by troops that remain loyal to longtime Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi.
"We have amazing capabilities that we have not felt that we need to use," Ibrahim said. "Our army is still very strong. We haven't used our real military power."
He discounted allied claims that pro-Gadhafi forces had been reduced to 20% of their capabilities, adding, "For God's sake, if we are down here to 20%, what am I doing here?"
Gadhafi's forces have been battling a nearly six-month-long revolt that has split Libya roughly in half. NATO planes and warships joined the fight in March, pounding government troops under a U.N. mandate to protect civilians from reprisals by Gadhafi loyalists.
Though most of the allied campaign has been conducted from the air, NATO warships reported fighting at least two brief sea engagements with pro-Gadhafi forces off the port city of Misrata in May.
Bron: http://edition.cnn.com/20(...)index.html?hpt=hp_t2
"Any officer who goes into action without his sword is improperly dressed." - "Mad Jack" Churchill DSO MC
betere vraag is misschien waar ik dat in godsnaam vraagquote:
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Als je dit weet, waarom in godsnaam vraag je dan waarom het een domme, ondoordachte Westerse aanval was?
Op zondag 8 december 2013 00:01 schreef Karina het volgende:
Dat gaat me te diep sp3c, daar is het te laat voor.
Dat gaat me te diep sp3c, daar is het te laat voor.
quote:Gadaffi-rebels in talks with islamist-government factions.TRIPOLI: After six months battling a rebellion that his family portrayed as an Islamist conspiracy, Muammar Gaddafi's son and one-time heir apparent has said he is reversing course to forge a behind-the-scenes alliance with radical Islamist elements among the Libyan rebels to drive out their more liberal-minded confederates.
''The liberals will escape or be killed,'' Saif al-Islam Gaddafi vowed in an hour-long interview.
''We will do it together,'' he added, wearing a newly grown beard and fingering Islamic prayer beads.
''Libya will look like Saudi Arabia, like Iran. So what?''
The leading Islamist whom Gaddafi identified as his main counterpart in the talks, Ali Sallabi, acknowledged their conversations but dismissed any suggestion of an alliance. He said the Libyan Islamists supported the rebel leaders' calls for a pluralistic democracy without the Gaddafis.
But the interview nonetheless offered a rare glimpse into the defiant, some say delusional, mentality of the Gaddafi family at a time when they have all but completely retreated from public view under the threat of a NATO bombing campaign and a six-month-old rebellion.
On one level, Gaddafi's avowed embrace of the Islamists represents a sharp personal reversal for a man who had long styled himself as a cosmopolitan, Anglophile advocate of Western-style liberal democracy. He continues to refer to the Islamists as ''terrorists'' and ''bloody men'' and says: ''We don't trust them but we have to deal with them.''
But it could also represent a twist on an old theme, a new version of the Gaddafi argument that by assisting the rebels the Western intervention could usher in a radical Islamist takeover. In a further taunt to the West, he suggested that the Gaddafis would help the Islamists stamp out the liberals.
''I know they are terrorists. They are bloody. They are not nice. But you have to accept them.''
Gaddafi insisted that he and the Islamists would announce a joint communique within days, from both Tripoli and the rebels' provisional capital of Benghazi. ''We will have peace during Ramadan,'' he said.
Less than a week after the mysterious killing of the rebels' top military commander, General Abdel Fattah Younis, by rebel gunmen, Gaddafi also seemed to be trying to capitalise on potential divisions within their ranks.
There have been suggestions that the general was killed by an Islamist faction, perhaps in retaliation for his actions in his former role as Muammar Gaddafi's interior minister, charged with the detention and torture of radical Islamists.
''They decided to get rid of those people - the ex-military people like Abdel Fattah and the liberals - to take control of the whole operation,'' Gaddafi said. ''In other words, to take off the mask.''
He said that the rebel-held eastern city of Darna, long known as a hotbed of Islamist activism, had already come to resemble the lawless regions of Pakistan. ''It is Waziristan on the Mediterranean,'' he said, adding that he had reached an agreement with local Islamists to allow them to make it ''an Islamic zone, like Mecca''.
Rebel leaders and Western governments have long acknowledged the presence of Islamists among the rebel fighters, including at least one who was imprisoned at Guantanamo Bay.
But Western governments have so far accepted the Libyan Islamists' pledges of support for a pluralistic democracy after the ousting of Muammar Gaddafi, concluding that their agenda was purely domestic and posed no broader threat.
As for the future of an Islamist Libya, Gaddafi was vague on the details. He said he had agreed to Islamist demands to prohibit any constitution other than the Koran, though Sallabi, the Islamist leader, said he has written publicly in support of a civil constitution.
And Gaddafi refused to discuss his own or his father's future role. That was a question for after negotiating a peace, he said. ''It is like you shoot first and ask questions later.''
The New York Times
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/(...)0.html#ixzz1U4oLPOIu
''Libya will look like Saudi Arabia, like Iran. So what?''
twitter:WalkerSkyNews twitterde op vrijdag 05-08-2011 om 01:50:40 Gaddafi regime distances itself from Saif al Islam's comments on Islamist allegiance saying 'he does not speak for the government' reageer retweet
Gaddafi regime distances itself from Saif al Islam's comments on Islamist allegiance saying 'he does not speak for the government' twitter:
Re Saif twitter:Libya_United twitterde op vrijdag 05-08-2011 om 02:57:58 Very nice! Now #Gaddafis give statements but we have to wait for #Rixos puppet to tell the world if those are bed room or office statements! reageer retweet
Very nice! Now twitter:libyanproud twitterde op vrijdag 05-08-2011 om 02:11:18 Breaking: Protesters in #Tripoli are being met with heavy gunfire Now ! #Feb17 #Libya reageer retweet
Breaking: Protesters in twitter:live2Tripoli twitterde op woensdag 03-08-2011 om 18:13:54 There are more and more abductions in #Tripoli. The people aren't even taken to proper jails. It's absurd and god be with them! #Libya reageer retweet
There are more and more abductions in
http://english.ahram.org.(...)led-Gaddafi-son.aspxquote:Rebels say NATO raid killed Gaddafi son
A NATO raid killed Muammar Gaddafi's son Khamis and more than 30 other people, rebels said Friday, as Tripoli accused the alliance of targeting civilian sites and trying to create a humanitarian crisis.
Khamis Gaddafi, 28, was confirmed to be among the dead following a NATO air strike on a command centre in the western town of Zliten, a rebel spokesman told AFP, citing spies operating among Gaddafi's ranks.
"Overnight there was a aircraft attack by NATO on the Gaddafi operations room in Zliten and there are around 32 Gaddafi troops killed. One of them is Khamis," said Mohammed Zawawi, a spokesman for the United Revolutionary Forces.
Rebels said their own operations room in eastern Libya had also intercepted radio chatter indicating Gaddafi's son had been killed.
There was no independent verification of his death, which has been rumoured a number of times during Libya's five month-long civil war.
At the Naples headquarters of NATO's Libya operations, an official asked about the claim, said: "We're looking into it."
Khamis, who was trained at a Russian military academy, commands the eponymous and much-feared Khamis Brigade -- one of the Libyan regime's toughest fighting units.
The strike appears to have come just hours after Tripoli took journalists on an escorted tour of the centre of Zliten, an effort to rubbish rebel claims the town was under attack.
Fighters from the rebel enclave of Misrata, 60 kilometres (37 miles) to the east, announced this week they had made progress in Zliten, a strategic coastal town on the road to Tripoli. But authorities in Tripoli quickly denied that, saying they controlled the entire town.
On Thursday an AFP journalist saw the town centre was in the hands of regime forces, although intensive artillery fire was heard in the distance.
Residents said the frontline is located at a distance of 10 to 15 kilometres (six to nine miles) east of the town centre while rebel official said they control three eastern neighbourhoods.
State television reported meanwhile that NATO warplanes struck Tripoli early on Friday, as the Gaddafi regime accused rebels of sabotaging a key pipeline feeding the country's sole functioning refinery.
About 10 loud explosions rocked the Libyan capital around 1:30 am (2330 GMT), an AFP journalist said.
Shortly afterwards, Libyan television said "civilian and military sites" at the southeastern suburb of Khellat al-Ferjan had been targeted by "the colonialist aggressor."
Deputy Foreign Minister Khaled Kaaim meanwhile said late Thursday that rebel forces had sabotaged a pipeline in the strategic Nefusa mountains, southeast of Tripoli.
"The rebels turned off a valve and poured cement over it," he said, adding that this would lead to a shortage of electricity in the capital as oil and gas were used at the Zawiyah refinery to generate power.
Kaaim said food and medicine supplies were spoiling in the capital due to long power cuts. Tripoli residents complained Thursday of extensive blackouts and an acute shortage of gas canisters.
NATO "wants to create a humanitarian crisis in Libya while the aim of its mission is to protect civilians," Kaaim said.
The Khadafi regime tried Thursday to split the fractious Libyan opposition by claiming an alliance with Islamists.
After months of branding the entire opposition as radical extremists, the veteran leader's most prominent son, Seif al-Islam Gaddafi, spoke of a pact with Ali Sallabi, a leading Islamic cleric in the rebel-held east. Sallabi told AFP no pact existed, but he acknowledged talks had taken place with Seif al-Islam.Libya's rebel-held east was in the grips of a fallout from the assassination of General Abdel Fatah Yunis.
A group of 28 tribes and civil actors met the insurgent government, pressing for a full and transparent investigation into Yunis's death.
The facts surrounding the general's death have been opaque, with senior members of the NTC giving incomplete and contradictory accounts of how he died, who killed him and the motive for the murder.
The rebels scored a minor victory Thursday, when a massive oil tanker -- the 182-metre (600-foot) long "Cartagena" -- steamed into port at the eastern rebel stronghold of Benghazi. A rebel soldier said the vessel had been intercepted two days earlier near Tripoli with the help of NATO.
All wars are civil wars, because all men are brothers. ~Franois Fnelon
Alexblx (@Alexblx)quote:[img]tweet="98788693933948928","270823453","live2Tripoli","http://a2.twimg.com/profile_images/1315078557/motionccC.002_normal.jpg","Wed Aug 03 16:13:54 +0000 2011"]There are more and more abductions in #Tripoli. The people aren't even taken to proper jails. It's absurd and god be with them! #Libya[/tweet]
Posted Thursday 4th August 2011 from Twitlonger
RT “I will never forget their faces; they were raping young kids.” ONE OF THE 60000 #TripoliPrisoners Escapes – HERE IS HIS STORY
“A Libyan Freedom Fighter, an ex-prisoner of Gaddafi from Tripoli, gives a report about the situation in Tripoli and estimates that 60,000 people had been arrested and jailed in Tripoli.
Here is the video, with his testimony in Arabic: ( Uploaded on July 31st, 2011)
This translation was found on FGM's facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/FGMovement?sk=wall&filter=1 ; the translator is unknown. Corrections are welcome."
TRANSLATION OF VIDEO OF #Tripoli ESCAPEE:
"A prisoner says there are more than 60 thousand prisoners in Tripoli.
He says when they come to arrest you, they come in 10 or more cars, and then they start shooting in the air.
Once you come out they take you and put you in the car upside down, putting your head where your feet go. That way you have no idea of where you are.
Once at prison they told him if he cooperates and helps, they will give him a car, money and a gun; if not the he will be executed like the others.
He said that he was given an injection and was answering "Yes" to everything they asked. He later found out that he was in #AbuSalim prison. They kept on asking him the same things for 11 days. They also showed him lists of names of people they were looking for. He said the he saw his friends and cousins names.
They told him that they will give him a few days to rest and then issue him a gun and a car and a biweekly salary just to inform them of the #FF movements and keep an eye on his neighborhood. He said that he agreed to do this and also chose the second name on the list that was a friend of his.
Both managed to escape with the help of a checkpoint guard whom they knew. They went to #Tunis and #Zintan.
He said: "I have not slept in days after my escape from happiness and the nightmares; I never thought I’ll get out alive. I was injured but was not treated until I came to Zintan and Tunis.
My bones on my foot were shattered and my flesh was rotting.
We were in a room like this full of people with all kinds of torture equipment like hooks to hang people; also electrical equipment used on genitals - thank god it was not use on me.
I was so afraid. I was taken to 3 different places and there had to be more than 60 thousand prisoners - mostly young, but there were prisoners of all ages and all were treated the same, with no mercy for the old.
They had small dog cages; they put prisoners inside them for days at a time.
Sometimes they took us outside blindfolded; then they will start shooting and you just start praying, wondering when it is your turn.
Then they take the bodies and just leave them to rot in the hall way.
The days I spent there will not be erased from my memory. I could never forget the stench of the corpses.
We were giving injections. I am still uneasy because I have no idea what it was.
Most of the guards were Libyans, but from the south. I will never forget their faces; they were raping young kids.”
http://www.libyauprisingarchive.com/tripoli-prisoner-escapee.html
@ICC #ICC @hrw @UN @AmnestyOnline @AmbassadorRice @NATO @africom @AndersFoghR @UKMilOps @NTC_of_Libya @TurkishPM @LibyanTNC #Libya #GaddafiCrimes #Saif
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15 NAVO medewerkers ontvoerd in Benghazi?
bij 8 minuten en 35 secondes.
http://leonorenlibia.blogspot.com/
bij 8 minuten en 35 secondes.
http://leonorenlibia.blogspot.com/
http://www.telegraph.co.u(...)ed-bombing-raid.htmlquote:Despite the use of fixed wing aircraft and helicopter gunships and despite rebel claims that the town had fallen earlier this week, fighting raged yesterday on Zlitan's eastern fringes. A handful of loud explosions were accompanied by the whine of jet engines on Nato aircraft.
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However the main impediment to the fall of the town is the hatred of local tribes towards Misuratans. The proximity of the two towns belies a deep-rooted antipathy.
Many local families are the descendants of slaves captured by the pirates that operated from Misurata in the 19th century.
"I have no friends or acquaintances from Misurata, I know nobody from there," said Khalifa Misha, a schools inspector. "They have no right to come here. We will resist this conquest until the last drop of blood."
Dan dreigde daar dus ook een genocide, aangezien de NATO bommen gooit.quote:Despite the use of fixed wing aircraft and helicopter gunships and despite rebel claims that the town had fallen earlier this week, fighting raged yesterday on Zlitan's eastern fringes. A handful of loud explosions were accompanied by the whine of jet engines on Nato aircraft.
Joepie, burgeroorlog.quote:However the main impediment to the fall of the town is the hatred of local tribes towards Misuratans. The proximity of the two towns belies a deep-rooted antipathy.
Many local families are the descendants of slaves captured by the pirates that operated from Misurata in the 19th century.
"I have no friends or acquaintances from Misurata, I know nobody from there," said Khalifa Misha, a schools inspector. "They have no right to come here. We will resist this conquest until the last drop of blood."
Wees gehoorzaam. Alleen samen krijgen we de vrijheid eronder.
Ik denk niet dat de NATO die bommen op woonwijken plempt.quote:
Dan dreigde daar dus ook een genocide, aangezien de NATO bommen gooit.
Doorgaans bombarderen ze specifieke gebouwen waarvan bekend is dat ze door het leger worden gebruikt.
Dat is dan lekker gecultiveerd als iets van ruim honderd jaar geleden nu nog in die mate speelt. Verdeel en heers.quote:However the main impediment to the fall of the town is the hatred of local tribes towards Misuratans. The proximity of the two towns belies a deep-rooted antipathy.
Many local families are the descendants of slaves captured by the pirates that operated from Misurata in the 19th century.
Maar dat zal niet voor iedereen gelden.
De rebellen hebben ook sympathisanten in Zlitan. Zolang een sterk legeronderdeel (van Khamis) de stad onder controle heeft, zullen die weinig zin hebben daar openlijk voor uit te komen.
Ik heb Hem niet uit vrees voor de hel noch uit liefde voor het paradijs gediend, want dan zou ik als de slechte huurling zijn geweest; ik heb hem veeleer gediend in liefde tot Hem en in verlangen naar Hem.
-Rabia Al-Basri
-Rabia Al-Basri
quote:Exclusive: Full Text of Gaddafi Email to PR Firms
http://www.algemeiner.com(...)fi-email-to-pr-firms
The Algemeiner has exclusively obtained the full text of an email sent by a Libyan official to worldwide Public Relations firms. The request serves as the latest in a number of measures taken by Libyan officials in an effort to influence public opinion in favor of Gaddafi and his continued hold on power in Libya.
Subject: Mission for Peace
Dear Sir/madam
My Name is Ali and I work for the “” at the Ministry of Information in Libya.
We are seeking to employ your PR company to present our just and fair case to the world. Libya has been under an unjustified media and PR attack which led to NATO’s military involvement since the 19th of March. We also face an armed rebellion that has been causing violence, terror and destruction in many parts of the country.
We have good moral, political and legal logic supporting our position as the legitimate, sovereign and popular government of Libya. We also have proofs in written, audio and video forms to take our case forward.
The African Union, Libya’s essential geopolitical space, has been supporting our effort to establish peace and security for all Libyans, so have important political figures from around the globe.
If we reach an agreement we will make sure it will be for the good of all Libyans and in accordance with the UN resolutions on Libya. We can formalise any deal with your organisation through a third party to help move things forward fast.
In particular, we need you to help us:
- Improve the image of the Libyan government in your country.
- Open direct communication channels to members of Parliament, party leaders and members of government.
- Create effective communication platforms for the members and leaders of the Libyan government.
- Assist the Libyan government to define their political and strategic mission and to transmit the statements in appropriate wording.
- Organize or assist in daily media briefings and/or formal media conferences.
- Organize off-the-record and on-the-record one-on-one meetings with opinion leaders of your national media.
-Take all measures to enhance the credibility of Libyan government and their representatives.
- Create a counter balance to the PR and media activities of rebels and the allied forces.
- Avoid action which is damaging to the image of the Libyan government.
- Day by day trouble shooting in media and PR sectors.
- Assist the Libyan government in managing contacts on the international political level.
-A wide range of publications, from2 to 4 page briefings all the way through to 250-page books.
- Commissioning a range of academic studies.
- Identifying and influencing existing and up-and-coming politicians,
Opinion makers and academics that have shown a non-interventionist approach.
- comprehensive constantly updated websites.
- A range of international conferences and speeches.
- Round-table meetings.
- Comprehensive media outreach identifying as many newspapers and journalists as possible.
We are off course open to your ideas and proposals.
Thank you
Ali Darwish
Mission for Peace
Ministry of Information
Er worden nu weer volop landmijnen gelegd door zich terugtrekkende Gaddafi troepen.
Kwam een artikel tegen in The Telegraph (UK) over de Libya WikiLeaks Cables.
Dit artikel handelt over het verwijderen van 16 miljoen landmijnen die zijn achter gebleven na het grensconflict met Chad in de Ouzou-regio (jaren '80), de grensoorlog met Egypte (1977) en met lagere prioriteit de restanten uit WW2.
UN SEEKS USG ASSISTANCE FOR LIBYAN DE-MINING PROGRAM
Onderhandelingen van 2009. Geen idee of men er al begonnen was.
Kwam een artikel tegen in The Telegraph (UK) over de Libya WikiLeaks Cables.
Dit artikel handelt over het verwijderen van 16 miljoen landmijnen die zijn achter gebleven na het grensconflict met Chad in de Ouzou-regio (jaren '80), de grensoorlog met Egypte (1977) en met lagere prioriteit de restanten uit WW2.
UN SEEKS USG ASSISTANCE FOR LIBYAN DE-MINING PROGRAM
Onderhandelingen van 2009. Geen idee of men er al begonnen was.
Nee dat zou ik niet durven te geloven,ik ben blij dat jij net als ik de volste vertrouwen hebt in het goede van een overheid die je beschermd en over je waakt.quote:
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Ik denk niet dat de NATO die bommen op woonwijken plempt.
Doorgaans bombarderen ze specifieke gebouwen waarvan bekend is dat ze door het leger worden gebruikt.
Las een paar pagina's terug over de leugen van screbrenica, iedereen weet onderhand nu ook wel dat de Servirs de slachtoffers waren en door de media en met name de VS als slechteriken zijn aangewezen.
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Heers en verdeel Sun_Tzu schreef dat boek 2000jaar geleden en is nu nog van toepassing op de moderne oorlogsvoering, dus wat is gedateerd... een leugen de wereld in helpen en weer de stomme fout begaan om eenoorlog te starten, wat naderhand een "foutje" was..quote:Dat is dan lekker gecultiveerd als iets van ruim honderd jaar geleden nu nog in die mate speelt. Verdeel en heers.
Maar dat zal niet voor iedereen gelden.
De rebellen hebben ook sympathisanten in Zlitan. Zolang een sterk legeronderdeel (van Khamis) de stad onder controle heeft, zullen die weinig zin hebben daar openlijk voor uit te komen.
