Oorlog in Libië #103: Waar de meningen erg verdeeld zijn..

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Op donderdag 28 juli 2011 00:20 schreef Piet_Piraat het volgende:
Wie is er aan de winnende hand momenteel? Het duurt wat lang allemaal en je bent weer druk met andere dingen.

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Libyan refugee testimony28.07.2011
by Leonor Massanet and Flavio Signore

Flavio Signore is a film maker, and he and Leonor traveled recently to Libya as they often do, to record events on the ground so that the truth may be known about the aggression against Libya.


NATO's terrorist darlings admit they are only there to kill and destroy

The armed rebels, backed by NATO use very dangerous groups as an advanced patrol to scare the population into surrender. The Libyan people describe them as foreigners, without any goals. The first thing they do is rob the banks, setting fire to public places and they have a blacklist of people who are murdered as an "example," that is to say live slayings. Then they carve the corpses up and hang them on the square.

When these groups advanced across the border from Tunisia, they entered the city Wazin, west of Nalut. The locals had already heard about the atrocities committed, and in three hours most of the families left their homes and fled with nothing across the Sahara not to be located.

Font Size Send to friendFrom Wazin they went to Drhiba, a city on the border with Tunisia. It is only 5 Km away but they were driving 35 km / hour to go through Saharan dust. All families met in Drhiba and from there searched for cars and buses to go to Tripoli where they knew they would be protected.

The Wazin exit was April 21 and they arrived in Drhiba on April 22. Their route was: From Drhiba to Armada to Ben Guerdane (Tunisia) and Ras Ajdir which is on the northern border of Tunisia / Libya. There were almost 100 families altogether. Upon reaching the border, we were received by Libyan government officials, we were welcomed and they helped us to enter.

They divided us between the resort town of Suarah and initially they took us to a hotel and then we were brought here to Tilil in Sabrata. As soon as we arrived, the government gave us everything necessary to live, food, gasoline and everything we needed.

We visited the towns to interview refugees and we found a heavenly Mediterranean virgin beachfront place. Families there seem happy and relaxed despite sorrow and the difficult, bad situation they have lived through so recently. The children run about on the lawn and come to greet us.

The very hospitable families invited us to an afternoon snack and tea and were very open with us. They explained what happened to them, and also that it happens to many more families in Libya because once these groups of foreigner's patrols arrive, they are forced to flee, as well as when NATO bombs houses or places nearby.

The Libyan government does not allow anyone to be homeless for even one day, as we have seen. All tourist villages and hotels in Tripoli and the West are full of refugees. Some fled from Ijdabiya, Azzentan and many other places.

We told Aljazeera TV that they were bombing but they did nothing. The rebels have phoned them and told them that if they were on their side they would give them money.

They said that Qatar would help us, but they are a nation with long beards. They burned our homes and some of the other attackers were Tunisians and Egyptians. They say they are people "without a program," just burning and stealing. They say to us that they are not there for a revolution, but are only there to burn, break and kill.

　

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http://www.leonorenlibia.blogspot.com

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NATO war crimes - Taking action25.07.2011
I hereby present evidence of NATO war crimes in Libya against international legally binding agreements, presenting the facts and allegations open for investigation by the competent bodies; in the name of humanity I request those with powers to take this one stage further, confirming that Humankind has reached an acceptable level of civilization.

I allege that the North Atlantic Treaty Organization has once again breached international law and has committed war crimes in Libya. The international community has the duty to take this matter seriously, investigate the allegations and begin legal proceedings to bring those accused before due legal process and justice.

I hereby present a report of several instances of war crimes and breach of international law by NATO in the current conflict in Libya in 2011.

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SharePrint version Font Size Send to friend1. Article 3 of the Statute of The Hague International Penal Court states clearly that one criterion for indictment for war crimes is:

"Attack or bombardment, by whatever means, against undefended cities, towns, villages, buildings or houses".

NATO's continuous use of civilian targets for military purposes, a scenario which this military organization wantonly and callously calls "collateral damage", fits this clause exactly and would be the cornerstone of a case accusing this organisation of being guilty of war crimes;

2. Another clause of the same Article 3 could also be used:

"Massive destruction of cities, towns or villages or destruction not justified by military necessity".

The attack on Libya's water supply network on Friday July 22 and the attack on the factory making pipes for the supply system on Saturday July 23 in al-Brega were not covered under "military necessity" in which case, under Article 3, this was an act of wanton destruction of civilian structures with military hardware. This renders NATO liable for trial by its own court, the ICC at The Hague;

3. UNSC Resolution 2131 (XX) of 21 December 1965, containing the Declaration on the Inadmissibility of Intervention in the Domestic Affairs of States was backed up by Resolutions 31/91 of 14 December 1976, 32/153 of 19 December 1977, 33/74 of 15 December 1978, 34/101 of 14 December 1979 and 35/159 of 12 December 1980 on non-interference in the internal affairs of States;

NATO is hereby accused of taking sides in a civil war inside Libya, moreover there are indications that this is a civil war started by NATO member states:

3.1 There is evidence that armed groups fighting inside Libya include the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG) which according to the British Government: "The LIFG seeks to replace the current Libyan regime with a hard-line Islamic state. The group is also part of the wider global Islamist extremist movement, as inspired by Al Qa'ida. The group has mounted several operations inside Libya, including a 1996 attempt to assassinate Mu'ammar Qadhafi" and for which reason is on the Home Office list of proscribed terrorist groups (1);

Why then is NATO supporting this terrorist group and others in an internal conflict?

4. Under the UN Charter, Chapter VI, Article 33, member states must "seek a solution by negotiation, enquiry, mediation, conciliation, arbitration, judicial settlement, resort to regional agencies or arrangements, or other peaceful means of their own choice".

Did NATO do this in the case of Libya? No, it used a false flag event, namely the massacre of civilians by "rebel" forces (the allegations must be investigated) (2) (3);

5. Under the UN Charter, Chapter VII, Article 46: "Plans for the application of armed force shall be made by the Security Council with the assistance of the Military Staff Committee". Such committee was never convened.

This is a violation of the UN Charter rendering Resolutions 1970 and 1973 (2011) void, as indeed rendered also the reaction from NATO after the above-mentioned false flag events;

6. Chapter VII, Article 51 refers to the right of States to defend themselves against armed insurgency:

Unarmed civilians

"Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security. Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defence shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council under the present Charter to take at any time such action as it deems necessary in order to maintain or restore international peace and security"

in which case NATO had no reason to attack the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya;

7. NATO's remit in Libya comes under UNSC Resolutions 1970 and 1973 (2011) which, summarised, concentrated on no boots on the ground in Libya among NATO forces and this is not the case - in the recent battle of Al-Brega, hundreds of French and British troops are alleged to have been caught (pending investigation);

8. Without any formal declaration of war, NATO's strikes against civilian structures come outside any possible conditions imposed by rules of engagement, in which case the armed attack against a civilian residence occasioning the murder of Muammar al-Qathafi's son Saif al-Arab al-Qathafi and three of his grandchildren would occasion a case for prosecution; furthermore other strikes against structures where Muammar al-Qathafi was alleged to have been would constitute cases for prosecution for attempted murder;

9. Violation of the Geneva Conventions by NATO: Under the Geneva Convention IV, Article 3 (a): "To this end the following acts are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever with respect to the above-mentioned persons: (a) violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds:"

Armed attacks with military hardware against civilian structures occasioning murder, grievous bodily harm of actual bodily harm render NATO liable under this clause.

10. The Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC) prohibits the use of chemical weapons. Therefore it is imperative to investigate the allegations that NATO used phosphorous in the battle of al-Brega between July 17 and July 24 2011.

For these ten (10) cases of violation or possible violation of international law, I hereby request that the competent authorities, upholders of international law perform their duty in investigating these allegations through due legal process and bring to a court of justice the perpetrators of these crimes;

For which I also call upon the UNO and the Member States party to its Charter to end the current conflict in Libya immediately as of July 24 2011 and for the proper institutions for crisis management to be used, as it was intended in the UN Charter.

In the name of Humankind, I subscribe,

Timothy Bancroft-Hinchey

Pravda.Ru

(1) http://www.homeoffice.gov(...)d-groups?view=Binary



(2)

- Media Lies About Libya and Gaddafi! (Removed from YouTube).

(3)

Inside NATO airstrikes in Libya

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Op donderdag 28 juli 2011 13:46 schreef Hadith het volgende:

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http://english.pravda.ru/(...)118580-libya_nato-0/

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Op donderdag 28 juli 2011 14:18 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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Shameonyou, is that you?

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General Abdel Fatah Younis, the chief of staff of the rebel forces in Libya, has been arrested by the National Transition Council.

He is being held at an undisclosed military garrison in Benghazi.

A rebel source said Younis was recalled from Brega early on Thursday, but could not say why.

Reuters news agency said a senior member of the NTC confirmed Younes was in Benghazi but said he had returned from the front line unhappy with the situation on the ground, and officials were trying to persuade him to return.

Al Jazeera's Tony Birtley, reporting from Benghazi, quoted unconfirmed reports as saying Libya's former minister of interior was arrested for dealing with and smuggling arms to Gaddafi loyalists. Younis defected to the rebel side in February.

"He spent 40 years as one of Gaddafi's right hand men as minister of defence and in charge of the special forces. So when he came over five months ago to the opposition cause it was quite a coup. But some people have had their doubts about… his loyalties...

Some of his men have come back from the front line demanding his release. This is an ugly situation in the making," our correspondent said.

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Farther west, Ghazaya had been bombard by rebel tanks and "long-range guns" throughout Wednesday night in preparation for the attack, an opposition source said.

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Op donderdag 28 juli 2011 21:31 schreef Monidique het volgende:

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http://english.aljazeera.(...)728144624965299.html

Khaddafi heeft nog steeds misschien wel meer dan de helft van het land in handen, en nú beginnen de opstandelingen al onder elkaar ruzie te maken. Ongelooflijk.

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• Confusion surrounds the fate of Libyan rebels military commander Abdel Fatah Younis. According to some reports he was arrested after an investigation into unauthorised trips to Tripoli, but Younis himself has dismissed the story as a rumour spread by the Gaddafi regime.

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Op donderdag 28 juli 2011 21:32 schreef Monidique het volgende:
Uit hetzelfde artikel:

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Ergens anders las ik ook over raketaanvallen door de opstandelingen. Waar is die NAVO nu, nu rebellen steden onder vuur nemen?

O, was die VN-resolutie maar een toneelstukje? Goh...

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12.55pm: Rebels fighters in the Nafusa mountains appear to have been forced out of the town of al-Jawsh by Gaddafi's rockets and snipers, according to the latest battle tweets from al-Jazeera's James Bays.

Live blog: Twitter

LIBYA opp fighters say they did not retreat from Al Jawsh. It was "a strategic withdrawal"

#LIBYA opp fighters now in a position close to Al Jawsh, but Grads landing nearby.

#LIBYA Fighters say in the town they were prevented from fighting back because of "human shields"

#LIBYA opp fighters have all pulled out of Al Jawsh. They say they were targeted by snipers.

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Op vrijdag 29 juli 2011 01:45 schreef svann het volgende:
Ik ga de verwikkelingen rond Younis even rustig nalezen overal.
Snap er niet veel van.

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Abdul Fatah Younis ambush killing blamed on pro-Gaddafi forces

Libyan rebel army leader's death announced at chaotic late-night press conference in Benghazi

The Libyan rebels' chief of army staff, Abdel Fatah Younis, has been killed in an assassination by pro-Gaddafi agents, according to the rebel authorities.

The president of the ruling National Transitional Council, Abdul Mustafa Jalil, made the dramatic announcement of the death of Younis at a chaotic late-night press conference at a hotel in Benghazi.

He told reporters that Younis had been called back from the frontline near Brega to Benghazi for questioning on the progress of the campaign, and suggested he had been killed by "pro-Gaddafi" forces on the route early in the morning.

But questions remain over the lack of detail over how Younis died or who killed him. The general usually travels inside an armoured car in a multi-vehicle convoy with 30 armed guards, posing problems for any potential assassination team.

Jalil said two senior rebel officers were killed alongside Younis, and demanded that what he called pro-Gaddafi elements he said were operating in Benghazi surrender or join the rebel forces.

The shock announcement came after a day of heated speculation that Younis had been arrested on the orders of Jalil. Younis was Gaddafi's former interior minister until he dramatically changed sides to join the revolution in February.

The rumours were still swirling late on Thursday night, with armed men declaring their support for Younis appearing on the streets of Benghazi, claiming they would use force to free him from NTC custody.

Soldiers loyal to Jalil from the 17 Brigade, Benghazi's elite unit, had surrounded Younis's house in the late afternoon.

Then in the evening, Jalil said at the press conference that "with regret" he had to announce the death of general Younis. Jalil called him "one of the heroes of the 17th of February revolution".

Minutes later, gunfire broke out in the street outside the Benghazi hotel where the announcement was made, with machine gun bullets smashing windows.

The press conference, which ended abruptly with the NTC president refusing to take questions, failed to explain how the general could have been ambushed in a highly guarded convoy.

Younis has been a controversial figure as head of the rebel forces because – until the uprising – he was Muammar Gaddafi's Interior Minister, one of his most trusted officials and confidants. The general's friendship with Gaddafi dated from 1969 when he joined a group of fresh-faced army officers in deposing Libya's king.

But when riots came to the streets of Benghazi in February, he dramatically switched sides, joining the rebels and bringing the city's interior ministry military brigade with him.

That brigade was crucial in helping the under-armed rebels fight off the attacks by regime forces in the first days of the fighting, and command of this unit is believed to have been the key to the decision of rebel leaders in appointing him army commander.

But his tenure as commander was stormy: he reportedly nearly came to blows with his rival for the army command, Klalifa Hefter, during a meeting in late March.

For much of that month both men claimed to be in command of the ragtag rebel forces as they raced west towards Tripoli, only to be thrown back towards Benghazi in chaos and confusion.

By April, Younis had won the political battle inside the National Transitional Council and was confirmed as chief of staff but he failed to use his new position to bring victory on the battlefield.

Since April, the frontline has remained largely in stalemate, despite heavy Nato bombing of government forces around the key oil town of Brega.

Younis launched an attack on Brega in June, only to see it beaten back.

Two weeks ago, aided by some of the heaviest Nato tactical bombing of the war, he tried again, with a three-pronged attack on the town.

Rebel military spokesmen repeatedly insisted that Brega was on the point of falling but, after a fortnight of fighting, the town remains in government hands.

The rebels in the besieged city of Misrata have conspicuously refused to accept orders from Younis, to the extent of insisting that their fighters are not part of the Benghazi-controlled National Army.

Many rebels were shocked by the news of the killing. "We respect him because he left Gaddafi; when he left a lot of colonels saw what Younis did and they defected also," said Farouk Ben Ahmeda, a rebel fighter in Misrata.

But few think that his military skills will be irreplaceable.

"I don't think that he was really a professional soldier; he didn't command the soldiers well," said Ben Ahmeda.

The assassination will cause embarrassment and concern for the Foreign Office in the UK, as it comes just a day after the foreign secretary, William Hague, said that Britain would recognise the NTC as the legitimate government of Libya and expelling Gaddafi's diplomats.

London had hoped that after months of work, the NTC was now fit to govern. Unless Jalil can provide a full and public account of the assassination and the circumstances around it, that opinion may need to be revised.

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Libyan rebels say commander killed by allied militia

* Younes "killed by men sent to bring him to Benghazi"
* Assassination adds to West's worries about rebels
* Anti-Gaddafi forces claim towns near Tunisian border

BENGHAZI, Libya, July 29 (Reuters) - Libyan rebels said on Friday the gunmen who shot dead the rebel military chief were fighters of an allied militia, in apparent confirmation of deep rifts among the forces struggling to overthrow Muammar Gaddafi.

The reports follow 24 hours of confusion over the killing of Abdel Fattah Younes, a defector from Gaddafi's inner circle, whose death deals a blow both to the rebels and their Western backers.

There had been widespread speculation as to whether Younes had been killed in an internal rebel feud or by Gaddafi forces which had penetrated the Benghazi-based movement.

The killing of such a senior figure was a setback for the rebels as they were winning broader international recognition and launching an offensive in the west, and has deepened fears that divisions within the rebel camp will prolong the conflict.

Rebel minister Ali Tarhouni told reporters in Benghazi that an allied militia leader who had gone to fetch Younes from the front line had been arrested and had confessed that his subordinates had carried out the killing.

"It was not him. His lieutenants did it," Tarhouni said, without giving details about the militia. He added that the killers were still at large.

Rebel leader Mustafa Abdel Jalil said on Thursday Younes had been recalled for questioning to Benghazi but was killed before he arrived. Relatives said they retrieved a burned and bullet-riddled body.

CALLS FOR UNITY

The rebels have seized swathes of the country, but five months into the rebellion still appear far from ousting Gaddafi and remain poorly equipped.

Speculation about the assassination of Younes ranged widely. There were reports that he had been suspected of feeding the Gaddafi camp with information. One rebel commander said Islamists whom Younes had targeted in his job as interior minister may have been to blame.

The United States, which like some 30 other nations has formally recognised the opposition, said Younes's death was a blow but called for solidarity among the rebels.

"What's important is that they work both diligently and transparently to ensure the unity of the Libyan opposition," State Department spokesman Mark Toner said in Washington.

On Friday, weeping relatives and supporters brought Younes's coffin into the main square of Benghazi to mourn him, as fighters fired guns in the air.

Some family members vowed allegiance to the rebels' political leader. "A message to Mustafa Abdel Jalil: We will walk with you all the way," nephew Mohammed Younes told hundreds of mourners in the main square.

RUMOURS OF SECRET TALKS

Younes, from eastern Libya where the rebels are strongest, had been Gaddafi's interior minister but switched sides to become the military chief in the rebel Transitional National Council.

Rebel defence minister Omar Hariri, visiting the west, said Younes's death would have an impact on rebel fighters. "But they will recover, and there will be other leaders," he said.

Rebels took swathes of Libya soon after launching their uprising in February against Gaddafi's 41 years of domination of the oil-producing North African state, but have made few recent advances despite the support of NATO air strikes.

They said they had seized several towns in the Western Mountains on Thursday but are yet to make a major breakthrough.

A rebel commander near Ghezaia told Reuters on Friday that around 100 insurgents had taken control of the town, from which Gaddafi forces had dominated plains below the mountains.

Reuters could not go there to confirm the report as rebels said the area could be mined. But through binoculars from a rebel-held ridge near Nalut, reporters could see no sign of Gaddafi's forces in Ghezaia.

Fighters on the front line near the town of Misrata said they viewed Younes as a martyr and would avenge his death.

"It will be an extra motive for us in the fight against the tyrant," said Khaled al-Uwayyib.

With prospects fading for a negotiated settlement, the five-month-old civil war will grind on into the Muslim holy month of Ramadan in August.

Nick Witney, analyst at the European Council on Foreign Relations in Paris, said the West had hoped for a "nice simple conflict" with right prevailing, but this had ignored the nuanced, tribal nature of Libyan politics.

"It was a brave and right thing to do," he said. "But I feel we've lost the moral high ground a bit and wandered into something that will be prolonged and messy, but we're not in a position to sort out."

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Op zaterdag 30 juli 2011 10:37 schreef Monidique het volgende:
Ja, ziet er allemaal weer zinvol en doordacht uit. God, wat een fout, deze oorlog.

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Op zaterdag 30 juli 2011 22:06 schreef Tem het volgende:

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Maar goed, daar waren we al vanaf de aftrap over uit.

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Op zaterdag 30 juli 2011 22:08 schreef Monidique het volgende:

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Daarom is het zo... frustrerend of vermoeiend om te zien dat de Westerse overheden na Irak en Afghanistan het toch weer doen. Dit houdt in dat over vijf jaar er wel weer een land wordt aangevallen of over twintig jaar. Wat een zinloze onzin allemaal.