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Nog meer (ook via):quote:Op donderdag 31 maart 2011 08:14 schreef Monidique het volgende:
De bevrijders (via):
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Achja...quote:Some local resentment has also been fuelled by the rebels’ hunt for “fifth columnists” supposedly colluding with the Gaddafi forces. In Bin Jawad, The Independent witnessed around 220 men, either members of the Hosseini clan or people associated with them, being dragged out of their homes, beaten up and taken away. The “arrests” took place as the rebels traded fire at the gates of the town with regime troops. Residents, already frightened, saw doors being kicked down by Shabaab fighters who also fired at windows where they claimed to have seen snipers.
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No one dares to go out at night [in Benghazi], as rounds of machine gun fire thunder through the empty streets. National Council members are no longer seen in public and they’re hard to reach for interviews. “There are death squads on both sides,” [bold mine-DL] says Nasser Buisier, who fled to the US when he was 17, but has returned for the revolution. Buisier’s father is a former information minister, but was also a critic of Gadhafi, and his son doesn’t have much that’s positive to say about the new leadership. “Most of them never had to make sacrifices, they were part of the regime and I don’t believe they want elections,” Buisier says. He believes the National Council is on the verge of collapse [bold mine-DL] and once that happens, he’d rather not be in Benghazi.
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Around 100 regime loyalists have recently been imprisoned. Armed young men are searching houses and also arresting sub-Saharan Africans, anyone they assume to be mercenaries and all those they simply refer to as spies, locking them up in the same prisons once used to hold opposition members. They are then shown off to busloads of journalists. The prisoners sit in dark cells that stink of feces and urine. They say they’re from Mali, Chad, Sudan, that they’re construction workers and were dragged out of their houses.
The rebels’ mood, exuberant and lighthearted in the beginning, has shifted. Their rhetoric is becoming increasingly tense and they dismiss any criticism as propaganda. One former air force commander — now “spokesman for the revolutionary armed forces” — says, “anyone who fights against our revolutionary army is fighting against the people and will be treated accordingly.”
Another man, also a member of the National Council, talks about “enemies of the revolution” and declares that anyone who doesn’t join the rebel side will get a taste of revolutionary justice: “We know where they are and we will find them.”
These are the same threats, word for word, that Gadhafi uses to scare his opponents.
Ik hoor ook stemmen opgaan die een splitsing van het land suggereren. Een rijk oosten, gecontroleerd door de "rebellen". Hier zit namelijk al de olie in de grond. Het zal een Emiraat-achtige staat worden. Een echte oliestaat. En een relatief arm westen, nog steeds onder bewind van Khadaffi.
Vergeet het maar. Libië was rijk vergeleken met veel landen in Afrika en zelfs rijker dan landen in Europa. Gaddafi was ondanks dat het een gore smeerlap is wel iemand die zorgde voor goedkope huisvesting, eten, gratis onderwijs, goedkope benzine. Dat gaan mensen in het westen niet accepteren en watals ze naar het oosten willen. Dit gebeurt nooit.quote:
Ik hoor ook stemmen opgaan die een splitsing van het land suggereren. Een rijk oosten, gecontroleerd door de "rebellen". Hier zit namelijk al de olie in de grond. Het zal een Emiraat-achtige staat worden. Een echte oliestaat. En een relatief arm westen, nog steeds onder bewind van Khadaffi.
'oud' nieuws.quote:Op donderdag 31 maart 2011 20:32 schreef naatje_1 het volgende:
Opnieuw vertrek hoge figuur uit regering Libië: http://bit.ly/idUtbz
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quote:Envoy says high-rank Libyans trying to defect
UNITED NATIONS Most high-level Libyan officials are trying to defect but are under tight security and having difficulty leaving the country, a top Libyan diplomat now supporting the opposition said Thursday.
Ibrahim Dabbashi, Libya's deputy U.N. ambassador, told The Associated Press that Libya's U.N. Mission, which now totally supports the opposition, knew two days in advance that Foreign Minister Moussa Koussa planned to defect on Wednesday.
He said the mission had been waiting for about 10 days for Thursday's defection of Ali Abdessalam Treki, a former foreign minister selected by Moammar Gadhafi to be the new U.N. ambassador.
"We know that most of the high Libyan officials are trying to defect, but most of them are under tight security measures and they cannot leave the country, but we are sure that many of them will benefit from the first chance to be out of the country and to defect," Dabbashi said.
"I don't think it is easy," he said. "But anyway, who has the will, he will find the way."
Dabbashi wouldn't name any senior Libyans considering defecting, saying only "we have some indications that some others will defect."
Asked why senior Libyan officials are defecting or want to defect now instead of last month when opposition protests against Gadhafi's 41-year rule began, Dabbashi said it was a reaction to the regime's attacks on civilians.
"The normal human behavior is to disconnect from this regime," he said.
Dabbashi said Koussa's defection in Britain is especially significant because he was the chief of external intelligence for about eight years and foreign minister for about two years.
"This is a big blow to the regime," he said.
"I think that he has a lot of secret information about the regime about the current operations by Libya during the last decades," Dabbashi said. "I think also he knows a lot, has a lot of information about what's happening in Libya since Feb. 15."
He said the defection of Treki in Cairo "is important news also."
"He is a little bit late ... but anyway it is never too late. It is good that he joined the Libyan people and to announce his defection of the regime," Dabbashi said.
Before Koussa's defection, the Nicaraguan government said he sent a letter appointing Miguel D'Escoto Brockmann, a former priest who served as Nicaragua's first foreign minister after the 1979 triumph of the Sandinista revolution, as Libya's new U.N. ambassador.
U.N. spokesman Farhan Haq said Nicaragua's U.N. Mission has rescheduled a news conference with D'Escoto for Friday. A news conference scheduled for Thursday was canceled without explanation.
Haq said the United Nations hasn't officially received any letter from Libya regarding a change of credentials involving D'Escoto.
He said the U.N. did receive a copy of a note from Nicaragua addressed to all U.N. missions which attached a copy of Koussa's letter to the secretary-general but he stressed that the U.N. has never received that letter.
U.S. Ambassador Susan Rice said Wednesday that D'Escoto needs a G-1 visa the American visa required for diplomatic representation if he wants to represent Libya.
If he tries to do so on the tourist visa he now holds, she warned, "he will soon have his visa status reviewed."
Although D'Escoto was born in Los Angeles, California, and once held dual citizenship, Rice said he has renounced his U.S. citizenship
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Maar nu pas op een nederlandse site
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Volledig ongepast, maar ik moet bij Misrata steeds aan het dorpje van Asterix en Obelix denkenquote:Op donderdag 31 maart 2011 21:40 schreef horned_reaper het volgende:
Hoe kan het nou dat Kadaffi Brega heeft ingenomen?
Wordt er nu afgerekend met de rebellen?
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Hoe kan dat nou? Heb je die debielen gezien die de oppositie vormen? Die schiete elkaar dwars overhoop met hun raketafval. Gaddafi trekt zich terug, lokt ze een stad in en als die dappere mongolen 1 kogel horen racen ze weer terug naar Benghazi.quote:
Hoe kan het nou dat Kadaffi Brega heeft ingenomen?
Wordt er nu afgerekend met de rebellen?
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Eens, Ghadaffi is helemaal niet zo stom en zwak zoals in het westen wordt gesteld, ondanks dat er nu meer dan een week bommen op z'n troepen vallen blijft hij zichzelf nog steeds staande houden en heeft hij schijnbaar nog redelijk wat steun in "het westen".quote:
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Hoe kan dat nou? Heb je die debielen gezien die de oppositie vormen? Die schiete elkaar dwars overhoop met hun raketafval. Gaddafi trekt zich terug, lokt ze een stad in en als die dappere mongolen 1 kogel horen racen ze weer terug naar Benghazi.
Het feit dat de rebellen (ook) oorlogsmisdaden plegen, juist hetgeen wat de NATO zegt te willen voorkomen, blijft ook maar lekker uit het westerse nieuws (hoewel ook in dit topic al enkele bronnen voorbij zijn gekomen).
Die Hans Jaap Melissen zei het ook. Ging ie mee naar de frontlinie, begonnen een paar andere mongolen door de linies heen te schieten. Het is pure slapstick gewoon. De kleding, het Allah Akbar geschreeuw, de verotte pick ups enzovoort.
Vanmiddag op het nieuws over Ivoorkust ook. Zag je een dappere puberneger met een Arafat theedoek om de kop stoer hangend uit een Hi-Lux met zn Ak 47 de lucht in schieten. Alsof hij het dorp onder controle had.
Vanmiddag op het nieuws over Ivoorkust ook. Zag je een dappere puberneger met een Arafat theedoek om de kop stoer hangend uit een Hi-Lux met zn Ak 47 de lucht in schieten. Alsof hij het dorp onder controle had.
Het blijft Afrika hè, het is geen Europa.quote:Op donderdag 31 maart 2011 23:21 schreef Lagrinta het volgende:
Die Hans Jaap Melissen zei het ook. Ging ie mee naar de frontlinie, begonnen een paar andere mongolen door de linies heen te schieten. Het is pure slapstick gewoon. De kleding, het Allah Akbar geschreeuw, de verotte pick ups enzovoort.
Vanmiddag op het nieuws over Ivoorkust ook. Zag je een dappere puberneger met een Arafat theedoek om de kop stoer hangend uit een Hi-Lux met zn Ak 47 de lucht in schieten. Alsof hij het dorp onder controle had.
Chaos zit in hun bloed, zie je al bij Spanjaarden.quote:
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Het blijft Afrika hè, het is geen Europa.
U.S. military officials say Gaddafi is not close to a military breaking point even though coalition strikes have seriously degraded his fighting power. Deborah Lutterbeck reports.
~Cheer up, the worst is yet to come.~
YouTube's van RT.
Zo ziet het er inderdaad uit als een ongelijke strijd.
Uit de beschrijving;
Zo ziet het er inderdaad uit als een ongelijke strijd.
Uit de beschrijving;
RT dus.quote:In other news, US has CIA operatives in Libya training rebels. World surprised to see US and Al Qiada fighting together.
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The Surprising PNAC Connection to Libya
In dit verhaal past nog wel een clubje van wijze mensen erbij toch?quote:intelhub.com - Looks like the PNAC, or Project for A New American Century, agenda of 1997 is rolling along as planned. Just as has been outlined by other think tanks, Illuminati writers and social programmers.
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If youve done your homework you know this neocon think tank led by Kristol at the turn of the century announced their intentions to militarize the US and roll on through the middle east towards global hegemony.
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"Bombing for Peace," by Daryl Cagle.
Libyas Gaddafi in Secret Talks with Britain
quote:SAN FRANCISCO (Politically Illustrated) Libyan leader Col. Muammar Gaddafi's regime is in secret talks with the British government on Thursday after several top Libyan officials fled the nation.
Mr. Gaddafi is facing intense pressure from the international community, Zohra Koussa, a foreign affairs analyst from Bloomberg, told Politically Illustrated. Hes looking for an exit strategy so he can continue to live a prosperous life outside of Libya.
Mr. Gaddafis son, Mohammed Ismail, visited London in recent days, according to British government officials. His visit comes after the defection of Libyas foreign minister and the countrys former external intelligence head.
There is evidence Mr. Gaddafis sons are seeking a way forward, said Mrs. Koussa, adding, but they only play a minor role in the policy decisions in Libya. The path forward will be decided by Mr. Gaddafi.
The talks come as U.S. Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates told Congress on Thursday he was opposed to using ground troops in Libya. What the opposition needs as much as anything right now is some training, some command and control and some organization, said Mr. Gates. Its pretty much a pick-up ballgame at this point.
Should the United States arm the rebels? Its not a unique capability for the United States, and as far as Im concerned, somebody else can do that, he said.
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quote:Revealed: Gaddafi envoy in Britain for secret talks
Colonel Gaddafi's regime has sent one of its most trusted envoys to London for confidential talks with British officials, the Guardian can reveal.
Mohammed Ismail, a senior aide to Gaddafi's son Saif al-Islam, visited London in recent days, British government sources familiar with the meeting have confirmed.
The contacts with Ismail are believed to have been one of a number between Libyan officials and the west in the last fortnight, amid signs that the regime may be looking for an exit strategy.
Disclosure of Ismail's visit comes in the immediate aftermath of the defection to Britain of Moussa Koussa, Libya's foreign minister and the country's former external intelligence head, who has been Britain's main conduit to the Gaddafi regime since the early 1990s.
A team led by the British ambassador to Libya, Richard Northern, and MI6 officers, embarked on a lengthy debriefing of Koussa at a safe house after he flew into Farnborough airport on Wednesday night from Tunisia. Government sources said the questioning would take time because Koussa's state of mind was "delicate" after he left his family in Libya. The Foreign Office declined "to provide a running commentary" on contacts with Ismail or other regime officials. But news of the meeting comes amid mounting speculation that Gaddafi's sons, foremost among them Saif al-Islam, Saadi and Mutassim, are anxious to explore a way out of the crisis in Libya.
"There has been increasing evidence recently that the sons want a way out," said a western diplomatic source.
Although he has little public profile in either Libya or internationally, Ismail is recognised by diplomats as being a key fixer and representative for Saif al-Islam.
According to cables published by WikiLeaks, Ismail has represented the Libyan government in arms purchase negotiations and acted as an interlocutor on military and political issues.
"The message that was delivered to him is that Gaddafi has to go and that there will be accountability for crimes committed at the international criminal court," a Foreign Office spokesman told the Guardian , declining to elaborate on what else may have been discussed.
Some aides working for Gaddafi's sons, however, have made it clear that it may be necessary to sideline their father and explore exit strategies to prevent the country descending into anarchy.
One idea that the sons have reportedly suggested – which the Guardian has been unable to corroborate – is that Gaddafi give up real power.
Mutassim, presently the country's national security adviser, would become president of an interim national unity government which would include the country's opposition.
It is an idea, however, unlikely to find support among the country's rebels or the international community who are demanding Gaddafi's removal.
The revelation that contacts between Britain and a key Gaddafi loyalist had taken place came as David Cameron hailed the defection of Koussa as a sign the regime was crumbling. "It tells a compelling story of the desperation and the fear right at the very top of the crumbling and rotten Gaddafi regime," he said.
Ministers regard Koussa's move to abandon his family as a sign of the magnitude of his decision. "Moussa Koussa is very worried about his family," one source said. "But he did this because he felt it was the best way of bringing down Gaddafi."
Britain learned that Koussa wanted to defect when he made contact from Tunisia. He had made his way out of Libya in a convoy of cars after announcing that he was going on a diplomatic mission to visit the new government in Tunis.
Britain took seriously reports last night that Ali al-Treki, Libya's minister for Africa, had announced in Cairo that he too had abandoned the regime. Officials were checking reports last night that Tarek Khalid Ibrahim, the deputy head of mission in London, is also defecting.
The prime minister insisted that no deal had been struck with Koussa and that he would not be offered immunity from prosecution.
"Let me be clear, Moussa Koussa is not being granted immunity. There is no deal of that kind," Cameron said.
Within hours of his arrival in Britain, Scottish prosecutors asked to interview Koussa about the Lockerbie bombing. The Crown Office in Edinburgh has said it is formally asking for its prosecutors and detectives from Dumfries and Galloway police to question Koussa about the 1988 bombing.
"We have notified the Foreign and Commonwealth Office that the Scottish prosecuting and investigating authorities wish to interview Mr Koussa in connection with the Lockerbie bombing," it said. "The investigation into the Lockerbie bombing remains open and we will pursue all relevant lines of inquiry."
But government sources indicated that Britain does not believe that Koussa was involved in ordering the Lockerbie bombing.
Koussa was at the heart of Britain's rapprochement with Libya which started when Tripoli abandoned its support for the IRA in the early 1990s.
He was instrumental in persuading Gaddafi to abandon his weapons of mass destruction programme in 2003. One source said: "Nobody is saying this guy was a saint because he was a key Gaddafi lieutenant who was kicked out of Britain in 1980 for making threats to kill Libyan dissidents. But this is the guy who persuaded Gaddafi to abandon his WMD programme. He no doubt has useful and interesting things to say about Lockerbie but it doesn't seem he said 'go and do it'."
William Hague, the foreign secretary, said he had a sense that Koussa was deeply unhappy with Gaddafi when they spoke on Friday.
"One of the things I gathered between the lines in my telephone calls with him, although he of course had to read out the scripts of the regime, was that he was very distressed and dissatisfied by the situation there," Hague said.
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De gevolgen van de argumenten van de anti-rook maffia
[b]Op dinsdag 6 januari 2009 19:59 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:[/b]
De gevolgen van de argumenten van de anti-rook maffia
Voor degene die 3 minuten naar Libische bankbiljetten wil staren, onder genot van Cubaans muziekje.
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The wife of Dr. Ali al-Barg, last seen in government custody on March 18, 2011, holds a portrait of her husband in their Benghazi home.
Meer foto's hier.quote:Human Rights Watch - At least 370 Libyans have been reported missing in the eastern part of the country since mid-February 2011, some of them known or suspected to be in Libyan government custody. Human Rights Watch documented 72 cases in the east of people who are missing or were apparently disappeared by government forces. The Libyan Red Crescent Society in Benghazi has recorded 370 missing person cases from Benghazi and Baida. Most of those reported missing to Human Rights Watch are men who apparently fought with rebels against the government. Others are clearly civilians, including at least four doctors, three journalists, and people caught in areas where fighting took place.
News Release: Libya: At Least 370 Missing From Country's East
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#BREAKINGNEWS: Four rebels in #Libya capital Tripoli blew themselves up tonight and killed more than 15 Gaddafi soldiers,acc to eyewitness.
Een 4-mans zelfmoordaanslag???quote:
#BREAKINGNEWS: Four rebels in #Libya capital Tripoli blew themselves up tonight and killed more than 15 Gaddafi soldiers,acc to eyewitness.
The problem is not the occupation, but how people deal with it.
Wtf?quote:
#BREAKINGNEWS: Four rebels in #Libya capital Tripoli blew themselves up tonight and killed more than 15 Gaddafi soldiers,acc to eyewitness.
All wars are civil wars, because all men are brothers. ~François Fénelon
Rebels cheer cracks in Gaddafi regime
quote:TRIPOLI (Reuters) - Rebels cheered the defection of a Libyan minister as a sign that Muammar Gaddafi's rule was crumbling, but U.S. officials warned he was far from beaten and made clear they feared entanglement in another painful war. Artikel.
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Jenan Moussa@BentBenghazi Someone else has it too:http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_162989477086209&ap=1quote:
#BREAKINGNEWS: Four rebels in #Libya capital Tripoli blew themselves up tonight and killed more than 15 Gaddafi soldiers,acc to eyewitness.
9 minutes ago
Arabic to Dutch translation
Er nieuws bereikte Benghazi profiteren door de twee rebellen bliezen zichzelf op in Tripoli .. Is er bevestigen of ontkennen het nieuws?
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Dat is wel het laatste dat ze moeten gaan doen -als dit inderdaad gebeurd is.quote:
#BREAKINGNEWS: Four rebels in #Libya capital Tripoli blew themselves up tonight and killed more than 15 Gaddafi soldiers,acc to eyewitness.
Bar slechte PR.
kunnen ook trollen zijn hoor die dat postenquote:
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Dat is wel het laatste dat ze moeten gaan doen -als dit inderdaad gebeurd is.
Bar slechte PR.
Crowds of Gaddafi supporters have formed a human shield, gathering for another night inside the Libyan leader\s Bab al-Azizia compound in a southern Tripoli suburb, says the Reuters news agency. A teenage girl among the gathering told the agency:
You keep talking about human rights but you keep bombing our Libyan citizens. We are here and not afraid, we are not afraid of your no-fly zone. We will always protect our leader and we have been in Libya fighting with armed gangs and terrorists.
You keep talking about human rights but you keep bombing our Libyan citizens. We are here and not afraid, we are not afraid of your no-fly zone. We will always protect our leader and we have been in Libya fighting with armed gangs and terrorists.
Er zou dus een geheime toenadering zijn vanuit het Gaddafi-kamp via Londen.
Maar dat is wat minder geloofwaardig als men op volle kracht door vecht en Misrata (dus burgers) blijft bestoken.
Verwachten ze dat de familieleden van al die duizenden (onnodige) burgerslachtoffers zullen zeggen: zand erover, laat de zonen Gaddafi een overgangsregering opzetten?
Zand zat, dat wel. :p
En hoe zit het met het gespotte Chad elite regiment? Is dat nog geverifieerd?
Voert Gaddafi materieel en mankracht aan uit Chad terwijl de rebellen zo fantastisch door Nato beschermd worden?
Maar dat is wat minder geloofwaardig als men op volle kracht door vecht en Misrata (dus burgers) blijft bestoken.
Verwachten ze dat de familieleden van al die duizenden (onnodige) burgerslachtoffers zullen zeggen: zand erover, laat de zonen Gaddafi een overgangsregering opzetten?
Zand zat, dat wel. :p
En hoe zit het met het gespotte Chad elite regiment? Is dat nog geverifieerd?
Voert Gaddafi materieel en mankracht aan uit Chad terwijl de rebellen zo fantastisch door Nato beschermd worden?
Dat vind ik wel een beetje een dooddoener hoor.quote:
Kijk eens aan. Wat een snelle en handige jongens die rebellen. Ze hebben in rap tempo zowel een nieuwe centrale Libische bank opgericht, als een nieuwe centrale Libische oliemaatschappij.
http://theeconomiccollaps(...)entral-bank-of-libya
http://www.bloomberg.com/(...)place-qaddafi-s.html
Zouden ze er ongeluk hulp hebben gekregen?
Ergo: Gewoon een ordinaire olie-interventie op initiatief van de VS en de EU. Niets meer of minder.
Je vergeet Quatar trouwens. En 'de' EU...
Misschien is de leiding wel wat minder chaotisch dan het voetvolk. Alleen het middenkader ontbreekt nogal.
Op twitter riep men ook al dat Frankrijk nu niets meer deed omdat ze geen olieconcessie van de rebellen los gekregen hebben. En eerder juist dat Frankrijk meedeed uit wraak vanwege een ingetrokken mega-order.
Multiple choice.
Ik ga voor antwoorden waarbij olie en economische belangen niet de reden van interventie zijn.
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AJE 3:35am http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-april-1
Henry Schuler, a former US diplomat to Libya, is wary of taking Moussa Koussa's flight to Britain at face value. He told Al Jazeera's Inside Story that officials should be cautious of treating his reports as entirely factual:
We have to bear in mind that its rather unusual that Moussa Koussa was able to leave Libya without being detected. Especially since his name was conspicuously absent from the no travel and asset freeze sanctions - that should have been a warning to Gaddafi that something was afoot, that someone was trying to lure him away.
I can't believe entirely that Gaddafi simply missed the chance to stop him from leaving. I'm not sure he's not out doing an errand for Gaddafi - as he did throughout the past decade.
We're told he's going to talk about what conditions were like and they're hoping to get intelligence as to Gaddafi's state of mind - and if he provides disinformation in that respect, it will make it extremely difficult to make a reasonable assessment of how the regime is standing up.
There's a great danger in psychological warfare, which the British are conducting in this case, of blowback - where the people who are waging a psychological battle begin to believe their own propaganda.
Henry Schuler, a former US diplomat to Libya, is wary of taking Moussa Koussa's flight to Britain at face value. He told Al Jazeera's Inside Story that officials should be cautious of treating his reports as entirely factual:
We have to bear in mind that its rather unusual that Moussa Koussa was able to leave Libya without being detected. Especially since his name was conspicuously absent from the no travel and asset freeze sanctions - that should have been a warning to Gaddafi that something was afoot, that someone was trying to lure him away.
I can't believe entirely that Gaddafi simply missed the chance to stop him from leaving. I'm not sure he's not out doing an errand for Gaddafi - as he did throughout the past decade.
We're told he's going to talk about what conditions were like and they're hoping to get intelligence as to Gaddafi's state of mind - and if he provides disinformation in that respect, it will make it extremely difficult to make a reasonable assessment of how the regime is standing up.
There's a great danger in psychological warfare, which the British are conducting in this case, of blowback - where the people who are waging a psychological battle begin to believe their own propaganda.
Gelezen op de Libya Alhurra chat: april is de maand van de zandstormen.
Zandstorm betekent geen vluchten.
Zandstorm betekent geen vluchten.
AJE
Eman Al Obeidi, the Libyan woman who burst into a Tripoli hotel claiming to have been raped by troops loyal to Muammar Gaddafi, is still missing.
Avaaz, the civil society organisation, has set up a petition demanding that Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan calls on Gaddafi to release Eman. They say that while Gaddafi will ignore most international outrage, he has listened to the Turkish government when they asked him to release foreign journalists.
Over a 189,000 people have already signed the petition.
Eman Al Obeidi, the Libyan woman who burst into a Tripoli hotel claiming to have been raped by troops loyal to Muammar Gaddafi, is still missing.
Avaaz, the civil society organisation, has set up a petition demanding that Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan calls on Gaddafi to release Eman. They say that while Gaddafi will ignore most international outrage, he has listened to the Turkish government when they asked him to release foreign journalists.
Over a 189,000 people have already signed the petition.
~Cheer up, the worst is yet to come.~
Het lijkt een 1 april grap, then again lijkt die hele familie ( en hun gedachtengang ) een constante 1 april grap.
Revealed: Gaddafi envoy in Britain for secret talks
Exclusive: Contact with senior aide believed to be one of a number between Libyan officials and west amid signs regime may be looking for exit strategy
Colonel Gaddafi's regime has sent one of its most trusted envoys to London for confidential talks with British officials, the Guardian can reveal.
Mohammed Ismail, a senior aide to Gaddafi's son Saif al-Islam, visited London in recent days, British government sources familiar with the meeting have confirmed. The contacts with Ismail are believed to have been one of a number between Libyan officials and the west in the last fortnight, amid signs that the regime may be looking for an exit strategy.
Disclosure of Ismail's visit comes in the immediate aftermath of the defection to Britain of Moussa Koussa, Libya's foreign minister and its former external intelligence head, who has been Britain's main conduit to the Gaddafi regime since the early 1990s.
A team led by the British ambassador to Libya, Richard Northern, and MI6 officers embarked on a lengthy debriefing of Koussa at a safe house after he flew into Farnborough airport on Wednesday night from Tunisia. Government sources said the questioning would take time because Koussa's state of mind was "delicate" after he left his family in Libya.
The Foreign Office has declined "to provide a running commentary" on contacts with Ismail or other regime officials. But news of the meeting comes amid mounting speculation that Gaddafi's sons, foremost among them Saif al-Islam, Saadi and Mutassim, are anxious to talk. "There has been increasing evidence recently that the sons want a way out," said a western diplomatic source.
Although he has little public profile in Libya or internationally, Ismail is recognised by diplomats as being a key fixer and representative for Saif al-Islam. According to cables published by WikiLeaks, Ismail represented Libya's government in arms purchase negotiations and as an interlocutor on military and political issues.
"The message that was delivered to him is that Gaddafi has to go, and that there will be accountability for crimes committed at the international criminal court," a Foreign Office spokesman told the Guardian , declining to elaborate on what else may have been discussed.
Some aides working for Gaddafi's sons, however, have made it clear that it may be necessary to sideline their father and explore exit strategies to prevent the country descending into anarchy.
One idea the sons have reportedly suggested which the Guardian has been unable to corroborate is that Gaddafi give up real power. Mutassim, presently the country's national security adviser, would become president of an interim national unity government which would include the opposition. 
It is an idea, however, unlikely to find support among the rebels or the international community who are demanding Gaddafi's removal.
The revelation that contacts between Britain and a key Gaddafi loyalist had taken place came as David Cameron hailed the defection of Koussa as a sign the regime was crumbling. "It tells a compelling story of the desperation and the fear right at the very top of the crumbling and rotten Gaddafi regime," he said.
Ministers regard Koussa's move to abandon his family as a sign of the magnitude of his decision. "Moussa Koussa is very worried about his family," one source said. "But he did this because he felt it was the best way of bringing down Gaddafi."
Britain learned that Koussa wanted to defect when he made contact from Tunisia. He had made his way out of Libya in a convoy of cars after announcing he was going on a diplomatic mission to visit the new government in Tunis.
It was also reported that Ali Abdussalam Treki, a senior Libyan diplomat, declined to take up his appointment by Gaddafi as UN ambassador, condemning the "spilling of blood". Officials were checking reports that Tarek Khalid Ibrahim, the deputy head of mission in London, is also defecting.
The prime minister insisted that no deal had been struck with Koussa and that he would not be offered immunity from prosecution. "Let me be clear, Moussa Koussa is not being granted immunity. There is no deal of that kind," Cameron said. Within hours of his arrival in Britain, Scottish prosecutors asked to interview Koussa about the 1988 Lockerbie bombing. The Crown Office in Edinburgh has said that it is formally asking for its prosecutors and police detectives to question him.
But government sources indicated that Britain does not believe Koussa was involved. He was at the heart of Britain's rapprochement with Libya, which started when Tripoli abandoned its support for the IRA in the early 1990s.
He was instrumental in persuading Gaddafi to abandon his weapons of mass destruction programme in 2003. One source said: "Nobody is saying this guy was a saint, because he was a key Gaddafi lieutenant who was kicked out of Britain in 1980 for making threats to kill Libyan dissidents. But this is the guy who persuaded Gaddafi to abandon his WMD programme. He no doubt has useful and interesting things to say about Lockerbie, but it doesn't seem he said 'go and do it'."
However there is unease among Tories about Britain's involvement in Libya. Underlining those concerns, Boris Johnson, the London mayor, told BBC Question Time that a continued stalemate in Libya could "have terrible consequences". Johnson said; "I do worry that if we get into a stalemate; and if, frankly, the rebels don't seem to be making the progress that we would like, we have to be brave, to say to ourselves that our policy is not working, and encourage the Arabs themselves to take leadership in all of this."
William Hague, the foreign secretary, said he had a sense that Koussa was deeply unhappy with Gaddafi when they spoke last Friday. "One of the things I gathered between the lines in my telephone calls with him, although he of course had to read out the scripts of the regime, was that he was very distressed and dissatisfied by the situation there," Hague said.
Revealed: Gaddafi envoy in Britain for secret talks
Exclusive: Contact with senior aide believed to be one of a number between Libyan officials and west amid signs regime may be looking for exit strategy
Colonel Gaddafi's regime has sent one of its most trusted envoys to London for confidential talks with British officials, the Guardian can reveal.
Mohammed Ismail, a senior aide to Gaddafi's son Saif al-Islam, visited London in recent days, British government sources familiar with the meeting have confirmed. The contacts with Ismail are believed to have been one of a number between Libyan officials and the west in the last fortnight, amid signs that the regime may be looking for an exit strategy.
Disclosure of Ismail's visit comes in the immediate aftermath of the defection to Britain of Moussa Koussa, Libya's foreign minister and its former external intelligence head, who has been Britain's main conduit to the Gaddafi regime since the early 1990s.
A team led by the British ambassador to Libya, Richard Northern, and MI6 officers embarked on a lengthy debriefing of Koussa at a safe house after he flew into Farnborough airport on Wednesday night from Tunisia. Government sources said the questioning would take time because Koussa's state of mind was "delicate" after he left his family in Libya.
The Foreign Office has declined "to provide a running commentary" on contacts with Ismail or other regime officials. But news of the meeting comes amid mounting speculation that Gaddafi's sons, foremost among them Saif al-Islam, Saadi and Mutassim, are anxious to talk. "There has been increasing evidence recently that the sons want a way out," said a western diplomatic source.
Although he has little public profile in Libya or internationally, Ismail is recognised by diplomats as being a key fixer and representative for Saif al-Islam. According to cables published by WikiLeaks, Ismail represented Libya's government in arms purchase negotiations and as an interlocutor on military and political issues.
"The message that was delivered to him is that Gaddafi has to go, and that there will be accountability for crimes committed at the international criminal court," a Foreign Office spokesman told the Guardian , declining to elaborate on what else may have been discussed.
Some aides working for Gaddafi's sons, however, have made it clear that it may be necessary to sideline their father and explore exit strategies to prevent the country descending into anarchy.
One idea the sons have reportedly suggested which the Guardian has been unable to corroborate is that Gaddafi give up real power. Mutassim, presently the country's national security adviser, would become president of an interim national unity government which would include the opposition.
It is an idea, however, unlikely to find support among the rebels or the international community who are demanding Gaddafi's removal.The revelation that contacts between Britain and a key Gaddafi loyalist had taken place came as David Cameron hailed the defection of Koussa as a sign the regime was crumbling. "It tells a compelling story of the desperation and the fear right at the very top of the crumbling and rotten Gaddafi regime," he said.
Ministers regard Koussa's move to abandon his family as a sign of the magnitude of his decision. "Moussa Koussa is very worried about his family," one source said. "But he did this because he felt it was the best way of bringing down Gaddafi."
Britain learned that Koussa wanted to defect when he made contact from Tunisia. He had made his way out of Libya in a convoy of cars after announcing he was going on a diplomatic mission to visit the new government in Tunis.
It was also reported that Ali Abdussalam Treki, a senior Libyan diplomat, declined to take up his appointment by Gaddafi as UN ambassador, condemning the "spilling of blood". Officials were checking reports that Tarek Khalid Ibrahim, the deputy head of mission in London, is also defecting.
The prime minister insisted that no deal had been struck with Koussa and that he would not be offered immunity from prosecution. "Let me be clear, Moussa Koussa is not being granted immunity. There is no deal of that kind," Cameron said. Within hours of his arrival in Britain, Scottish prosecutors asked to interview Koussa about the 1988 Lockerbie bombing. The Crown Office in Edinburgh has said that it is formally asking for its prosecutors and police detectives to question him.
But government sources indicated that Britain does not believe Koussa was involved. He was at the heart of Britain's rapprochement with Libya, which started when Tripoli abandoned its support for the IRA in the early 1990s.
He was instrumental in persuading Gaddafi to abandon his weapons of mass destruction programme in 2003. One source said: "Nobody is saying this guy was a saint, because he was a key Gaddafi lieutenant who was kicked out of Britain in 1980 for making threats to kill Libyan dissidents. But this is the guy who persuaded Gaddafi to abandon his WMD programme. He no doubt has useful and interesting things to say about Lockerbie, but it doesn't seem he said 'go and do it'."
However there is unease among Tories about Britain's involvement in Libya. Underlining those concerns, Boris Johnson, the London mayor, told BBC Question Time that a continued stalemate in Libya could "have terrible consequences". Johnson said; "I do worry that if we get into a stalemate; and if, frankly, the rebels don't seem to be making the progress that we would like, we have to be brave, to say to ourselves that our policy is not working, and encourage the Arabs themselves to take leadership in all of this."
William Hague, the foreign secretary, said he had a sense that Koussa was deeply unhappy with Gaddafi when they spoke last Friday. "One of the things I gathered between the lines in my telephone calls with him, although he of course had to read out the scripts of the regime, was that he was very distressed and dissatisfied by the situation there," Hague said.
~Cheer up, the worst is yet to come.~
Daarbij, ongeacht er wel of niet interventie had plaatsgevonden, de belangen in olie waren hoe dan ook verzekerd, zowel onder G als nu onder de rebellen.quote:
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Dat vind ik wel een beetje een dooddoener hoor.
Je vergeet Quatar trouwens. En 'de' EU...
Misschien is de leiding wel wat minder chaotisch dan het voetvolk. Alleen het middenkader ontbreekt nogal.
Op twitter riep men ook al dat Frankrijk nu niets meer deed omdat ze geen olieconcessie van de rebellen los gekregen hebben. En eerder juist dat Frankrijk meedeed uit wraak vanwege een ingetrokken mega-order.
Multiple choice.
Ik ga voor antwoorden waarbij olie en economische belangen niet de reden van interventie zijn.
Het is een stukje medeleven en menselijkheid die de stap tot interventie mogelijk hebben gemaakt.
kom ik net deze tegen toevallig ;
quote:Gemaakt: 1, apr., 2011, 10:09 | Door Novum
'Libië leende miljoenen aan Nation of Islam'
De leider van de Nation of Islam Louis Farrakhan heeft de Libische leider Moammar Gadhafi opnieuw verdedigd. Hij noemde Gadhafi een vriend en een moslimbroeder.
Miljoenen Libië naar Nation of Islam
(Novum/AP) - De leider van de Nation of Islam Louis Farrakhan heeft de Libische leider Moammar Gadhafi opnieuw verdedigd. Hij noemde Gadhafi donderdag een vriend en een moslimbroeder en zei dat Gadhafi door de jaren heen omgerekend ruim 5,6 miljoen euro aan de Nation of Islam heeft geleend.
Op een persconferentie trok Farrakhan van leer tegen de media en benadrukte hij dat Gadhafi geen monster is zoals westerse regeringen ons willen doen geloven. De Amerikaanse regering zou enkel uit zijn op het veiligstellen van oliebelangen in Libië. "Ik houd van Moammar Gadhafi en ik houd van onze president", aldus Farrakhan. "Het doet me pijn om mijn broeder de president beleid uit te zien voeren dat deze man niet alleen uit de macht zou verwijderen, maar ook uit deze wereld."
De Nation of Islam leende ruim twee miljoen euro van Libië in de jaren zeventig om zijn hoofdkwartier in Chicago te kopen. Jaren later leende de organisatie nog eens ruim 3,5 miljoen euro van Libië om achterstallige belastingen te betalen en de toenmalige leider van de beweging te huisvesten. Farrakhan wees alle beschuldigingen aan het adres van Gadhafi van de hand, en zei dat de Libische leider alleen 'verraders aan het doden is'.
Farrakhan had de persconferentie oorspronkelijk belegd om Amerika te waarschuwen voor een grote aardbeving die hij voorspelt
hoezo adhd ?
quote:'Nederlander dood in Libië'
Strijdtoneel in Benghazi.
Toegevoegd: vrijdag 1 apr 2011, 11:43
Update: vrijdag 1 apr 2011, 11:44
In Libië is een Nederlander overleden als gevolg van een overval door aanhangers van de Libische leider Khadafi. Het zou gaan om een duiker die voor de olie-industrie werkt.
De man had zich samen met twee Nederlandse collega's verschanst op de compound van het oliebedrijf waarvoor ze werken. Kadhafi-aanhangers vielen de compound binnen en sloten de mannen twee dagen lang op. Daarna zijn ze naar Benghazi doorgereisd.
GPD-journalist Harald Doornbos zegt dat hij in Benghazi de dode Nederlander heeft gezien en een gewonde in een ambulance. De derde Nederlander is volgens hem doorgereisd naar Egypte.
Later meer
hoezo adhd ?
