Oorlog in Libië #95. Wie A zegt, moet ook B zeggen! Buigen of barsten!

The Surprising PNAC Connection to Libya

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intelhub.com - Looks like the PNAC, or Project for A New American Century, agenda of 1997 is rolling along as planned. Just as has been outlined by other think tanks, Illuminati writers and social programmers.

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If youve done your homework you know this neocon think tank led by Kristol at the turn of the century announced their intentions to militarize the US and roll on through the middle east towards global hegemony.

In dit verhaal past nog wel een clubje van wijze mensen erbij toch?

^{"Bombing for Peace," by Daryl Cagle.}

Libyas Gaddafi in Secret Talks with Britain

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SAN FRANCISCO (Politically Illustrated) Libyan leader Col. Muammar Gaddafi's regime is in secret talks with the British government on Thursday after several top Libyan officials fled the nation.

Mr. Gaddafi is facing intense pressure from the international community, Zohra Koussa, a foreign affairs analyst from Bloomberg, told Politically Illustrated. Hes looking for an exit strategy so he can continue to live a prosperous life outside of Libya.

Mr. Gaddafis son, Mohammed Ismail, visited London in recent days, according to British government officials. His visit comes after the defection of Libyas foreign minister and the countrys former external intelligence head.

There is evidence Mr. Gaddafis sons are seeking a way forward, said Mrs. Koussa, adding, but they only play a minor role in the policy decisions in Libya. The path forward will be decided by Mr. Gaddafi.

The talks come as U.S. Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates told Congress on Thursday he was opposed to using ground troops in Libya. What the opposition needs as much as anything right now is some training, some command and control and some organization, said Mr. Gates. Its pretty much a pick-up ballgame at this point.

Should the United States arm the rebels? Its not a unique capability for the United States, and as far as Im concerned, somebody else can do that, he said.

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Revealed: Gaddafi envoy in Britain for secret talks

Colonel Gaddafi's regime has sent one of its most trusted envoys to London for confidential talks with British officials, the Guardian can reveal.

Mohammed Ismail, a senior aide to Gaddafi's son Saif al-Islam, visited London in recent days, British government sources familiar with the meeting have confirmed.

The contacts with Ismail are believed to have been one of a number between Libyan officials and the west in the last fortnight, amid signs that the regime may be looking for an exit strategy.

Disclosure of Ismail's visit comes in the immediate aftermath of the defection to Britain of Moussa Koussa, Libya's foreign minister and the country's former external intelligence head, who has been Britain's main conduit to the Gaddafi regime since the early 1990s.

A team led by the British ambassador to Libya, Richard Northern, and MI6 officers, embarked on a lengthy debriefing of Koussa at a safe house after he flew into Farnborough airport on Wednesday night from Tunisia. Government sources said the questioning would take time because Koussa's state of mind was "delicate" after he left his family in Libya. The Foreign Office declined "to provide a running commentary" on contacts with Ismail or other regime officials. But news of the meeting comes amid mounting speculation that Gaddafi's sons, foremost among them Saif al-Islam, Saadi and Mutassim, are anxious to explore a way out of the crisis in Libya.

"There has been increasing evidence recently that the sons want a way out," said a western diplomatic source.

Although he has little public profile in either Libya or internationally, Ismail is recognised by diplomats as being a key fixer and representative for Saif al-Islam.

According to cables published by WikiLeaks, Ismail has represented the Libyan government in arms purchase negotiations and acted as an interlocutor on military and political issues.

"The message that was delivered to him is that Gaddafi has to go and that there will be accountability for crimes committed at the international criminal court," a Foreign Office spokesman told the Guardian , declining to elaborate on what else may have been discussed.

Some aides working for Gaddafi's sons, however, have made it clear that it may be necessary to sideline their father and explore exit strategies to prevent the country descending into anarchy.

One idea that the sons have reportedly suggested – which the Guardian has been unable to corroborate – is that Gaddafi give up real power.

Mutassim, presently the country's national security adviser, would become president of an interim national unity government which would include the country's opposition.

It is an idea, however, unlikely to find support among the country's rebels or the international community who are demanding Gaddafi's removal.

The revelation that contacts between Britain and a key Gaddafi loyalist had taken place came as David Cameron hailed the defection of Koussa as a sign the regime was crumbling. "It tells a compelling story of the desperation and the fear right at the very top of the crumbling and rotten Gaddafi regime," he said.

Ministers regard Koussa's move to abandon his family as a sign of the magnitude of his decision. "Moussa Koussa is very worried about his family," one source said. "But he did this because he felt it was the best way of bringing down Gaddafi."

Britain learned that Koussa wanted to defect when he made contact from Tunisia. He had made his way out of Libya in a convoy of cars after announcing that he was going on a diplomatic mission to visit the new government in Tunis.

Britain took seriously reports last night that Ali al-Treki, Libya's minister for Africa, had announced in Cairo that he too had abandoned the regime. Officials were checking reports last night that Tarek Khalid Ibrahim, the deputy head of mission in London, is also defecting.

The prime minister insisted that no deal had been struck with Koussa and that he would not be offered immunity from prosecution.

"Let me be clear, Moussa Koussa is not being granted immunity. There is no deal of that kind," Cameron said.

Within hours of his arrival in Britain, Scottish prosecutors asked to interview Koussa about the Lockerbie bombing. The Crown Office in Edinburgh has said it is formally asking for its prosecutors and detectives from Dumfries and Galloway police to question Koussa about the 1988 bombing.

"We have notified the Foreign and Commonwealth Office that the Scottish prosecuting and investigating authorities wish to interview Mr Koussa in connection with the Lockerbie bombing," it said. "The investigation into the Lockerbie bombing remains open and we will pursue all relevant lines of inquiry."

But government sources indicated that Britain does not believe that Koussa was involved in ordering the Lockerbie bombing.

Koussa was at the heart of Britain's rapprochement with Libya which started when Tripoli abandoned its support for the IRA in the early 1990s.

He was instrumental in persuading Gaddafi to abandon his weapons of mass destruction programme in 2003. One source said: "Nobody is saying this guy was a saint because he was a key Gaddafi lieutenant who was kicked out of Britain in 1980 for making threats to kill Libyan dissidents. But this is the guy who persuaded Gaddafi to abandon his WMD programme. He no doubt has useful and interesting things to say about Lockerbie but it doesn't seem he said 'go and do it'."

William Hague, the foreign secretary, said he had a sense that Koussa was deeply unhappy with Gaddafi when they spoke on Friday.

"One of the things I gathered between the lines in my telephone calls with him, although he of course had to read out the scripts of the regime, was that he was very distressed and dissatisfied by the situation there," Hague said.

Voor degene die 3 minuten naar Libische bankbiljetten wil staren, onder genot van Cubaans muziekje.

Sky News.

jenanmoussa - Photo of Fawziyah, only female on #Libya frontline.

^{The wife of Dr. Ali al-Barg, last seen in government custody on March 18, 2011, holds a portrait of her husband in their Benghazi home.}

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Human Rights Watch - At least 370 Libyans have been reported missing in the eastern part of the country since mid-February 2011, some of them known or suspected to be in Libyan government custody. Human Rights Watch documented 72 cases in the east of people who are missing or were apparently disappeared by government forces. The Libyan Red Crescent Society in Benghazi has recorded 370 missing person cases from Benghazi and Baida. Most of those reported missing to Human Rights Watch are men who apparently fought with rebels against the government. Others are clearly civilians, including at least four doctors, three journalists, and people caught in areas where fighting took place.

News Release: Libya: At Least 370 Missing From Country's East

Meer foto's hier.

#BREAKINGNEWS: Four rebels in #Libya capital Tripoli blew themselves up tonight and killed more than 15 Gaddafi soldiers,acc to eyewitness.

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Op vrijdag 1 april 2011 00:41 schreef zoefbust het volgende:
#BREAKINGNEWS: Four rebels in #Libya capital Tripoli blew themselves up tonight and killed more than 15 Gaddafi soldiers,acc to eyewitness.

Een 4-mans zelfmoordaanslag???

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Op vrijdag 1 april 2011 00:41 schreef zoefbust het volgende:
#BREAKINGNEWS: Four rebels in #Libya capital Tripoli blew themselves up tonight and killed more than 15 Gaddafi soldiers,acc to eyewitness.

Wtf?

Rebels cheer cracks in Gaddafi regime

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TRIPOLI (Reuters) - Rebels cheered the defection of a Libyan minister as a sign that Muammar Gaddafi's rule was crumbling, but U.S. officials warned he was far from beaten and made clear they feared entanglement in another painful war. Artikel.

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Op vrijdag 1 april 2011 00:41 schreef zoefbust het volgende:
#BREAKINGNEWS: Four rebels in #Libya capital Tripoli blew themselves up tonight and killed more than 15 Gaddafi soldiers,acc to eyewitness.

Jenan Moussa@BentBenghazi Someone else has it too:http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_162989477086209&ap=1
9 minutes ago

Arabic to Dutch translation
Er nieuws bereikte Benghazi profiteren door de twee rebellen bliezen zichzelf op in Tripoli .. Is er bevestigen of ontkennen het nieuws?

Britain in talks with 10 more Gaddafi aides

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Op vrijdag 1 april 2011 00:41 schreef zoefbust het volgende:
#BREAKINGNEWS: Four rebels in #Libya capital Tripoli blew themselves up tonight and killed more than 15 Gaddafi soldiers,acc to eyewitness.

Dat is wel het laatste dat ze moeten gaan doen -als dit inderdaad gebeurd is.
Bar slechte PR.

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Op vrijdag 1 april 2011 01:32 schreef svann het volgende:

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Dat is wel het laatste dat ze moeten gaan doen -als dit inderdaad gebeurd is.
Bar slechte PR.

kunnen ook trollen zijn hoor die dat posten

Crowds of Gaddafi supporters have formed a human shield, gathering for another night inside the Libyan leader\s Bab al-Azizia compound in a southern Tripoli suburb, says the Reuters news agency. A teenage girl among the gathering told the agency:

You keep talking about human rights but you keep bombing our Libyan citizens. We are here and not afraid, we are not afraid of your no-fly zone. We will always protect our leader and we have been in Libya fighting with armed gangs and terrorists.

Er zou dus een geheime toenadering zijn vanuit het Gaddafi-kamp via Londen.
Maar dat is wat minder geloofwaardig als men op volle kracht door vecht en Misrata (dus burgers) blijft bestoken.

Verwachten ze dat de familieleden van al die duizenden (onnodige) burgerslachtoffers zullen zeggen: zand erover, laat de zonen Gaddafi een overgangsregering opzetten?
Zand zat, dat wel. :p

En hoe zit het met het gespotte Chad elite regiment? Is dat nog geverifieerd?
Voert Gaddafi materieel en mankracht aan uit Chad terwijl de rebellen zo fantastisch door Nato beschermd worden?

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Op donderdag 31 maart 2011 19:46 schreef Chooselife het volgende:
Kijk eens aan. Wat een snelle en handige jongens die rebellen. Ze hebben in rap tempo zowel een nieuwe centrale Libische bank opgericht, als een nieuwe centrale Libische oliemaatschappij.
http://theeconomiccollaps(...)entral-bank-of-libya
http://www.bloomberg.com/(...)place-qaddafi-s.html
Zouden ze er ongeluk hulp hebben gekregen?

Ergo: Gewoon een ordinaire olie-interventie op initiatief van de VS en de EU. Niets meer of minder.

Dat vind ik wel een beetje een dooddoener hoor.
Je vergeet Quatar trouwens. En 'de' EU...

Misschien is de leiding wel wat minder chaotisch dan het voetvolk. Alleen het middenkader ontbreekt nogal.

Op twitter riep men ook al dat Frankrijk nu niets meer deed omdat ze geen olieconcessie van de rebellen los gekregen hebben. En eerder juist dat Frankrijk meedeed uit wraak vanwege een ingetrokken mega-order.

Multiple choice.
Ik ga voor antwoorden waarbij olie en economische belangen niet de reden van interventie zijn.

[ Bericht 1% gewijzigd door svann op 01-04-2011 02:46:38 ]

AJE 3:35am http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-april-1

Henry Schuler, a former US diplomat to Libya, is wary of taking Moussa Koussa's flight to Britain at face value. He told Al Jazeera's Inside Story that officials should be cautious of treating his reports as entirely factual:

We have to bear in mind that its rather unusual that Moussa Koussa was able to leave Libya without being detected. Especially since his name was conspicuously absent from the no travel and asset freeze sanctions - that should have been a warning to Gaddafi that something was afoot, that someone was trying to lure him away.

I can't believe entirely that Gaddafi simply missed the chance to stop him from leaving. I'm not sure he's not out doing an errand for Gaddafi - as he did throughout the past decade.

We're told he's going to talk about what conditions were like and they're hoping to get intelligence as to Gaddafi's state of mind - and if he provides disinformation in that respect, it will make it extremely difficult to make a reasonable assessment of how the regime is standing up.

There's a great danger in psychological warfare, which the British are conducting in this case, of blowback - where the people who are waging a psychological battle begin to believe their own propaganda.

Gelezen op de Libya Alhurra chat: april is de maand van de zandstormen.

Zandstorm betekent geen vluchten.

AJE

Eman Al Obeidi, the Libyan woman who burst into a Tripoli hotel claiming to have been raped by troops loyal to Muammar Gaddafi, is still missing.

Avaaz, the civil society organisation, has set up a petition demanding that Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan calls on Gaddafi to release Eman. They say that while Gaddafi will ignore most international outrage, he has listened to the Turkish government when they asked him to release foreign journalists.

Over a 189,000 people have already signed the petition.

Het lijkt een 1 april grap, then again lijkt die hele familie ( en hun gedachtengang ) een constante 1 april grap.

Revealed: Gaddafi envoy in Britain for secret talks


Exclusive: Contact with senior aide believed to be one of a number between Libyan officials and west amid signs regime may be looking for exit strategy

Colonel Gaddafi's regime has sent one of its most trusted envoys to London for confidential talks with British officials, the Guardian can reveal.

Mohammed Ismail, a senior aide to Gaddafi's son Saif al-Islam, visited London in recent days, British government sources familiar with the meeting have confirmed. The contacts with Ismail are believed to have been one of a number between Libyan officials and the west in the last fortnight, amid signs that the regime may be looking for an exit strategy.

Disclosure of Ismail's visit comes in the immediate aftermath of the defection to Britain of Moussa Koussa, Libya's foreign minister and its former external intelligence head, who has been Britain's main conduit to the Gaddafi regime since the early 1990s.

A team led by the British ambassador to Libya, Richard Northern, and MI6 officers embarked on a lengthy debriefing of Koussa at a safe house after he flew into Farnborough airport on Wednesday night from Tunisia. Government sources said the questioning would take time because Koussa's state of mind was "delicate" after he left his family in Libya.

The Foreign Office has declined "to provide a running commentary" on contacts with Ismail or other regime officials. But news of the meeting comes amid mounting speculation that Gaddafi's sons, foremost among them Saif al-Islam, Saadi and Mutassim, are anxious to talk. "There has been increasing evidence recently that the sons want a way out," said a western diplomatic source.

Although he has little public profile in Libya or internationally, Ismail is recognised by diplomats as being a key fixer and representative for Saif al-Islam. According to cables published by WikiLeaks, Ismail represented Libya's government in arms purchase negotiations and as an interlocutor on military and political issues.

"The message that was delivered to him is that Gaddafi has to go, and that there will be accountability for crimes committed at the international criminal court," a Foreign Office spokesman told the Guardian , declining to elaborate on what else may have been discussed.

Some aides working for Gaddafi's sons, however, have made it clear that it may be necessary to sideline their father and explore exit strategies to prevent the country descending into anarchy.

One idea the sons have reportedly suggested which the Guardian has been unable to corroborate is that Gaddafi give up real power. Mutassim, presently the country's national security adviser, would become president of an interim national unity government which would include the opposition. It is an idea, however, unlikely to find support among the rebels or the international community who are demanding Gaddafi's removal.

The revelation that contacts between Britain and a key Gaddafi loyalist had taken place came as David Cameron hailed the defection of Koussa as a sign the regime was crumbling. "It tells a compelling story of the desperation and the fear right at the very top of the crumbling and rotten Gaddafi regime," he said.

Ministers regard Koussa's move to abandon his family as a sign of the magnitude of his decision. "Moussa Koussa is very worried about his family," one source said. "But he did this because he felt it was the best way of bringing down Gaddafi."

Britain learned that Koussa wanted to defect when he made contact from Tunisia. He had made his way out of Libya in a convoy of cars after announcing he was going on a diplomatic mission to visit the new government in Tunis.

It was also reported that Ali Abdussalam Treki, a senior Libyan diplomat, declined to take up his appointment by Gaddafi as UN ambassador, condemning the "spilling of blood". Officials were checking reports that Tarek Khalid Ibrahim, the deputy head of mission in London, is also defecting.

The prime minister insisted that no deal had been struck with Koussa and that he would not be offered immunity from prosecution. "Let me be clear, Moussa Koussa is not being granted immunity. There is no deal of that kind," Cameron said. Within hours of his arrival in Britain, Scottish prosecutors asked to interview Koussa about the 1988 Lockerbie bombing. The Crown Office in Edinburgh has said that it is formally asking for its prosecutors and police detectives to question him.

But government sources indicated that Britain does not believe Koussa was involved. He was at the heart of Britain's rapprochement with Libya, which started when Tripoli abandoned its support for the IRA in the early 1990s.

He was instrumental in persuading Gaddafi to abandon his weapons of mass destruction programme in 2003. One source said: "Nobody is saying this guy was a saint, because he was a key Gaddafi lieutenant who was kicked out of Britain in 1980 for making threats to kill Libyan dissidents. But this is the guy who persuaded Gaddafi to abandon his WMD programme. He no doubt has useful and interesting things to say about Lockerbie, but it doesn't seem he said 'go and do it'."

However there is unease among Tories about Britain's involvement in Libya. Underlining those concerns, Boris Johnson, the London mayor, told BBC Question Time that a continued stalemate in Libya could "have terrible consequences". Johnson said; "I do worry that if we get into a stalemate; and if, frankly, the rebels don't seem to be making the progress that we would like, we have to be brave, to say to ourselves that our policy is not working, and encourage the Arabs themselves to take leadership in all of this."

William Hague, the foreign secretary, said he had a sense that Koussa was deeply unhappy with Gaddafi when they spoke last Friday. "One of the things I gathered between the lines in my telephone calls with him, although he of course had to read out the scripts of the regime, was that he was very distressed and dissatisfied by the situation there," Hague said.

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Op vrijdag 1 april 2011 02:25 schreef svann het volgende:

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Dat vind ik wel een beetje een dooddoener hoor.
Je vergeet Quatar trouwens. En 'de' EU...

Misschien is de leiding wel wat minder chaotisch dan het voetvolk. Alleen het middenkader ontbreekt nogal.

Op twitter riep men ook al dat Frankrijk nu niets meer deed omdat ze geen olieconcessie van de rebellen los gekregen hebben. En eerder juist dat Frankrijk meedeed uit wraak vanwege een ingetrokken mega-order.

Multiple choice.
Ik ga voor antwoorden waarbij olie en economische belangen niet de reden van interventie zijn.

Daarbij, ongeacht er wel of niet interventie had plaatsgevonden, de belangen in olie waren hoe dan ook verzekerd, zowel onder G als nu onder de rebellen.

Het is een stukje medeleven en menselijkheid die de stap tot interventie mogelijk hebben gemaakt.

kom ik net deze tegen toevallig ;

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Gemaakt: 1, apr., 2011, 10:09 | Door Novum
'Libië leende miljoenen aan Nation of Islam'
De leider van de Nation of Islam Louis Farrakhan heeft de Libische leider Moammar Gadhafi opnieuw verdedigd. Hij noemde Gadhafi een vriend en een moslimbroeder.

Miljoenen Libië naar Nation of Islam

(Novum/AP) - De leider van de Nation of Islam Louis Farrakhan heeft de Libische leider Moammar Gadhafi opnieuw verdedigd. Hij noemde Gadhafi donderdag een vriend en een moslimbroeder en zei dat Gadhafi door de jaren heen omgerekend ruim 5,6 miljoen euro aan de Nation of Islam heeft geleend.

Op een persconferentie trok Farrakhan van leer tegen de media en benadrukte hij dat Gadhafi geen monster is zoals westerse regeringen ons willen doen geloven. De Amerikaanse regering zou enkel uit zijn op het veiligstellen van oliebelangen in Libië. "Ik houd van Moammar Gadhafi en ik houd van onze president", aldus Farrakhan. "Het doet me pijn om mijn broeder de president beleid uit te zien voeren dat deze man niet alleen uit de macht zou verwijderen, maar ook uit deze wereld."

De Nation of Islam leende ruim twee miljoen euro van Libië in de jaren zeventig om zijn hoofdkwartier in Chicago te kopen. Jaren later leende de organisatie nog eens ruim 3,5 miljoen euro van Libië om achterstallige belastingen te betalen en de toenmalige leider van de beweging te huisvesten. Farrakhan wees alle beschuldigingen aan het adres van Gadhafi van de hand, en zei dat de Libische leider alleen 'verraders aan het doden is'.

Farrakhan had de persconferentie oorspronkelijk belegd om Amerika te waarschuwen voor een grote aardbeving die hij voorspelt

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'Nederlander dood in Libië'

Strijdtoneel in Benghazi.

Toegevoegd: vrijdag 1 apr 2011, 11:43
Update: vrijdag 1 apr 2011, 11:44

In Libië is een Nederlander overleden als gevolg van een overval door aanhangers van de Libische leider Khadafi. Het zou gaan om een duiker die voor de olie-industrie werkt.

De man had zich samen met twee Nederlandse collega's verschanst op de compound van het oliebedrijf waarvoor ze werken. Kadhafi-aanhangers vielen de compound binnen en sloten de mannen twee dagen lang op. Daarna zijn ze naar Benghazi doorgereisd.

GPD-journalist Harald Doornbos zegt dat hij in Benghazi de dode Nederlander heeft gezien en een gewonde in een ambulance. De derde Nederlander is volgens hem doorgereisd naar Egypte.

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