MO Midden-Oosten
Bespreek hier de actuele situatie omtrent het Midden-Oosten.
quote:Gaddafi sitting on 143 tonnes of gold in Libya: report
Glenda Kwek
March 22, 2011 - 11:24AM
Libyan leader Muammer Gaddafi is reportedly sitting on a 143.8-tonne $6.4-billion pot of gold - enough to pay mercenaries to fight for him for years.
The gold bullion - held by the Libyan central bank and controlled by Colonel Gaddafi - is among the 25 largest reserves in the world, the Financial Times reported, citing the International Monetary Fund.
They provide the 68-year-old Libyan strongman a lifeline after billions of assets held offshore were frozen by the United States and the 27 member states of the European Union.
Gaddafi's gold ... reportedly sitting on one of the world's top reserves.
The gold reserves are believed to have been moved from the central bank in the capital, Tripoli, to another city such as Sebha in the south, which is near Libya's African neighbours Chad and Niger, after fighting broke out, the Times reported.
While bankers told the Times that international banks or trading houses were unlikely to buy any gold believed to be from Libya, Colonel Gaddafi may find buyers in Chad or Niger.
"If a country like Libya wants to make their gold liquid it would probably be in the form of a swap – whether for arms, food or cash," Walter de Wet, the head of commodities research at Standard Bank, told the Times.
The price of gold has risen recently, fuelled by growing instability in the Middle East and North Africa.
"If the dollar remains weak and we get further unrest in the Middle East, there is a very reasonable chance for gold to test the record high," Darren Heathcote, head of trading at Investec Australia, told Reuters.
Ousted Egyptian dictator Hosni Mubarak reportedly used the 18 days of protests against his rule to move his fortune - estimated at up to $64 billion - to untraceable accounts in Western countries.
Other countries buying large amounts of gold include Iran, China, Russia and India, the Times said.
The United States holds the world's biggest gold reserves - 8965.6 tonnes, according to the World Gold Council.
Other countries with massive stockpiles include Germany with 3749.8 tonnes, China with 1161.9 tonnes, India with 614.8 tonnes and Venezuela with 401.1 tonnes.
Maandagmiddag: bloedbad in Misrata, dat ook al dagen zonder water en elektriciteit zit.
quote:23:12 BBC A spokesman for the revolutionaries in Misrata told the BBC that in addition to the 40 casualties, over 200 people were wounded in todays attack by Gaddafis forces. The situation is a catastrophe, he said, the people went out on to the street to demonstrate and the military started shooting at them with heavy weapons. They even shot three ambulances two of the drivers were killed.
quote:18:08 Almanara Media BREAKING: A massacre has just occurred in Misratah committed by Gaddafis gangs in which it targeted in civilians a scandalous way. It made no distinction between the youth, families and demonstrators who are rallying in Tripoli Street and in front of The Peoples Hall (central Misratah). Tanks and heavy artillery fired rockets and tank shells on the people of Misratah who had no arms or weaponry which has caused many deaths and tens of serious injuries. The citys hospital is currently unable to accommodate all the injuries and the situation is dire.
Ongewapend tanks en huurlingen tegemoet treden; wat een moed, wat een wanhoop.quote:17:03 Reuters Forces loyal to Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi fired on a crowd of unarmed people in the centre of the rebel-held city of Misrata on Monday, killing at least nine, a resident told Reuters.
The people of Misrata went into the streets and to the (city) centre, unarmed, in an attempt to stop Gaddafis forces entering the city. When they gathered in the centre the Gaddafi forces started shooting at them with artillery and guns. Read more here
Zintan ligt ten westen van Misrata, iets landinwaards (zie het kaartje in de OP).
Gaddafi probeert het van de kaart te vegen.
Zie:
http://www.libyafeb17.com Even omlaag scrollen naar "17:57 Almanara Media"
Gaddafi probeert het van de kaart te vegen.
Zie:
http://www.libyafeb17.com Even omlaag scrollen naar "17:57 Almanara Media"
Wie heeft Pauw & Witteman gisteren (21-03-2011) gezien over Libie? Wat een droeftoeter is die Joris Voorhoeve zeg! En de zoon van Ghadaffi heeft gestudeerd bij de zoon van Voorhoeve 
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955)
"A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool." - William Shakespeare (1564 - 1616)
"A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool." - William Shakespeare (1564 - 1616)
Is dat niet die plaats die van het weekend zich incl gelegerde soldaten heeft geschaard achter de rebellenquote:Op dinsdag 22 maart 2011 03:41 schreef vergezocht het volgende:
Wat zijn de conflicten in Zintan, TS? En waar is dat?
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Wat zijn de conflicten in Zintan, TS? En waar is dat?
Ten zuidwesten van Tripoli.
Op maandag 29 april 2013 16:56 schreef Moira. het volgende:
Ug, je bent af en toe een (leuke) mafkees, maar ook een wijs man.
Ug, je bent af en toe een (leuke) mafkees, maar ook een wijs man.
#Journos still missing in #Libya: 13 (4 AJ, 2 AFP, 1 Getty, 6 local). Journos killed: 2--al Jaber and Mo. http://nyti.ms/fxmvrU
Slaap jij niet ofzoquote:Op dinsdag 22 maart 2011 05:48 schreef Ugjerke het volgende:
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Ten zuidwesten van Tripoli.
Op onregelmatige tijden, en jij?quote:
Op maandag 29 april 2013 16:56 schreef Moira. het volgende:
Ug, je bent af en toe een (leuke) mafkees, maar ook een wijs man.
Ug, je bent af en toe een (leuke) mafkees, maar ook een wijs man.
Haha, sterkte.quote:
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Ben drie keer wakker geworden en telkens te lang achter de laptop blijven hangen
zo werken
Op maandag 29 april 2013 16:56 schreef Moira. het volgende:
Ug, je bent af en toe een (leuke) mafkees, maar ook een wijs man.
Ug, je bent af en toe een (leuke) mafkees, maar ook een wijs man.
Gisternacht nog info te horen gekregen dat G een (geheim) 'tunnelcomplex' heeft laten aanleggen onder Tripoli, minimaal 5km lang.
door deze
#chopstickmicro ImaaniWorld
Bilfinger Berger corp Libyan HQ adresses; Benghazi + Tripoli http://www.twitlonger.com/show/9dmgca
Ik zou zeggen tegen de Libiërs, ga eens langs en rip de blueprints!
[ Bericht 2% gewijzigd door Hans_van_Baalen op 22-03-2011 07:16:16 ]
door deze
#chopstickmicro ImaaniWorld
Bilfinger Berger corp Libyan HQ adresses; Benghazi + Tripoli http://www.twitlonger.com/show/9dmgca
Ik zou zeggen tegen de Libiërs, ga eens langs en rip de blueprints!
[ Bericht 2% gewijzigd door Hans_van_Baalen op 22-03-2011 07:16:16 ]
Werd eens tijdquote:'Uitbreiding no-flyzone richting Tripoli'
De no-flyzone boven Libië wordt de komende dagen uitgebreid richting het noordwesten naar de steden Tripoli, Brega en Misurata. Dat heeft de Amerikaanse generaal Carter Ham, die het commando voert over operatie Odyssey Dawn, dinsdag vanuit Duitsland gezegd. Dat meldden Amerikaanse media.
De Westerse coalitie die een no-flyzone afdwingt boven Libië bombardeerde maandagavond opnieuw doelen in het Noord-Afrikaanse land. De troepen van de Libische leider Muammar Kaddafi zouden zich van Benghazi richting het zuiden terugtrekken, aldus Ham.
De Verenigde Staten willen de leiding over de operatie overgeven, maar het is nog niet duidelijk aan wie. Al minder dan de helft van de luchtaanvallen werd in de derde nacht van de aanvallen door Amerikaanse piloten uitgevoerd, aldus Ham in de Los Angeles Times.
G'morning. 
AJE
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CNN correspondent Nic Robertson dismisses a report by Fox News that journalists in Libya were used by Gaddafi's forces as human shields. He says the allegation is "outrageous and it's absolutely hypocritical".
"When you come to somewhere like Libya, you expect lies and deceit from the dictatorship here. You don't expect it from the other journalists."
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It seems that the spat about whether Gaddafi's regime used journalists as "human shields" Sunday night is more over terminology than fact.
Nobody disputes that journalists from CNN, Reuters, CBS, Channel 4, the AP and the Times of London were brought to the Bab al-Azizia after a missile strike there. Niall Paterson, defence correspondent for Sky News, wrote on Twitter on Monday that the British military chose to abort a Tornado strike on the compound when it learned that the journalists (and other civilians) were in the vicinity.
CNN may have been singled out for attention because it was broadcasting live from the scene.
Whether Gaddafi's men knew about another attack and brought the journalists there on purpose to prevent it - that's the question.
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AJE
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CNN correspondent Nic Robertson dismisses a report by Fox News that journalists in Libya were used by Gaddafi's forces as human shields. He says the allegation is "outrageous and it's absolutely hypocritical".
"When you come to somewhere like Libya, you expect lies and deceit from the dictatorship here. You don't expect it from the other journalists."
/
It seems that the spat about whether Gaddafi's regime used journalists as "human shields" Sunday night is more over terminology than fact.
Nobody disputes that journalists from CNN, Reuters, CBS, Channel 4, the AP and the Times of London were brought to the Bab al-Azizia after a missile strike there. Niall Paterson, defence correspondent for Sky News, wrote on Twitter on Monday that the British military chose to abort a Tornado strike on the compound when it learned that the journalists (and other civilians) were in the vicinity.
CNN may have been singled out for attention because it was broadcasting live from the scene.
Whether Gaddafi's men knew about another attack and brought the journalists there on purpose to prevent it - that's the question.
/
~Cheer up, the worst is yet to come.~
Was filmpje gepostquote:
G'morning.
AJE
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CNN correspondent Nic Robertson dismisses a report by Fox News that journalists in Libya were used by Gaddafi's forces as human shields. He says the allegation is "outrageous and it's absolutely hypocritical".
Mogguhquote:
Een CNN - FoxNews fittie over Fox-reporters die hun Tripoli hotel niet uit zouden komen.
http://bit.ly/hJHp9B
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[b]Op dinsdag 6 januari 2009 19:59 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:[/b]
De gevolgen van de argumenten van de anti-rook maffia
[b]Op dinsdag 6 januari 2009 19:59 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:[/b]
De gevolgen van de argumenten van de anti-rook maffia
Freed Times Journalists Give Account of Captivity
The Libyan government freed four New York Times journalists on Monday, six days after they were captured while covering the conflict between government and rebel forces in the eastern city of Ajdabiya. They were released into the custody of Turkish diplomats and crossed safely into Tunisia in the late afternoon, from where they provided a harrowing account of their captivity.
Like many other Western journalists, the four had entered the rebel-controlled eastern region of Libya over the Egyptian border without visas to cover the insurrection against Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi. They were detained in Ajdabiya by forces loyal to Colonel Qaddafi.
The journalists are Anthony Shadid, The Timess Beirut bureau chief, who has won two Pulitzer Prizes for international reporting; two photographers, Tyler Hicks and Lynsey Addario, who have extensive experience in war zones; and a reporter and videographer, Stephen Farrell, who in 2009 was captured by the Taliban in Afghanistan and was rescued by British commandos.
After The New York Times reported having lost contact with the four last Tuesday, officials with the Qaddafi government pledged that if they had been detained by the governments military forces, they would be located and released unharmed.
Bill Keller, the executive editor of The Times, wrote in a note to the newsroom that he was overjoyed at the news.
Because of the volatile situation in Libya, weve kept our enthusiasm and comments in check until they were out of the country, but now feels like a moment for celebration, he wrote.
Were particularly indebted to the government of Turkey, which intervened on our behalf to oversee the release of our journalists and bring them to Tunisia, Mr. Keller added. We were also assisted throughout the week by diplomats from the United States and United Kingdom.
A clearer account of the four journalists capture and detention has come to light now that they have been released.
The four had been covering fighting near Ajdabiya last Tuesday when they decided that the battle had grown too dangerous for them to continue safely. Their driver, however, inadvertently drove into a checkpoint manned by forces loyal to Colonel Qaddafi. By the time they knew they were in trouble, it was too late.
I was yelling to the driver, Keep driving! Dont stop! Dont stop! Mr. Hicks recalled in a telephone interview from the hotel where he and the three others were recuperating. I knew that the consequences of being stopped would be very bad.
The driver, Mohamed Shaglouf, is still missing. If he had tried to drive straight through, Mr. Hicks said, the vehicle certainly would have been fired on. In any event, the soldiers flung the doors to their gold four-door sedan wide open so quickly that they had little chance to get away.
As they were being pulled from the car, rebels fired on the checkpoint, sending the four running for their lives.
You could see the bullets hitting the dirt, Mr. Shadid said.
All four made it safely behind a small, one-room building, where they tried to take cover. But the soldiers had other plans. They told all four to empty their pockets and ordered them on the ground. And that is when they thought they were seconds from death.
I heard in Arabic, Shoot them, Mr. Shadid said. And we all thought it was over.
Then another soldier spoke up. One of the others said: No, theyre American. We cant shoot them, Mr. Hicks said.
The soldiers grabbed whatever they could get their hands on to tie up their prisoners: wire, an electrical cord from a home appliance, a scarf. One removed Ms. Addarios shoes, pulled out the laces and used them to bind her ankles. Then one punched her in the face and laughed.
Then I started crying, she recalled. And he was laughing more. One man grabbed her breasts, the beginning of a pattern of disturbing behavior she would experience from her captors over the next 48 hours.
There was a lot of groping, she said. Every man who came in contact with us basically felt every inch of my body short of what was under my clothes.
Their captors held them in Ajdabiya until the fighting with the rebels died down. Soldiers put the four in a vehicle and drove them out of the city around 2 a.m. One threatened to decapitate Mr. Hicks. Another stroked Ms. Addarios head and told her repeatedly she was going to die.
He was caressing my head in this sick way, this tender way, saying: Youre going to die tonight. Youre going to die tonight, she said.
Their vehicle stopped repeatedly at checkpoints, each time allowing for a new group of soldiers to land a fresh punch or a rifle butt in their backs. The first night they spent in the back of a vehicle. The second night they spent in a jail cell with dirty mattresses on the ground, a bottle to urinate in and a jug of water to drink.
On the third day they were on the move again, this time to an airfield. Mr. Shadid, who speaks Arabic, had overheard one of the soldiers saying something about a plane, and the four assumed they would be flown somewhere. As they were loaded on the plane they were blindfolded and their hands were bound tightly with plastic handcuffs.
I could hear Anthony at this point yelling Help me! Mr. Hicks said, which I learned later was because he had no feeling in his hands. In a rare show of mercy, a soldier loosened the cuffs.
They landed on Thursday in Tripoli, where they were handed over to Libyan defense officials. They were transferred to a safe house, where they said they were treated well. They were each allowed a brief phone call.
That was the first time since their capture two and a half days earlier that their whereabouts became known to their families and colleagues at The Times.
Their disappearance had kicked off an intensive search effort. The Times canvassed hospitals and morgues, beginning a grim process-of-elimination search. The paper also turned to a variety of people on the ground who might have heard or seen something local residents, security contractors for Western businesses, workers for nongovernmental organizations. It also notified American diplomats.
The State Department got word Thursday afternoon that the journalists were safe and unharmed, in a phone call to Jeffrey D. Feltman, the assistant secretary of state for Near Eastern affairs, from an aide to Abdullah al-Senussi, the head of Libyan military intelligence and the brother-in-law of Colonel Qaddafi, Mr. Feltman said.
But the arrival of the four journalists in Tripoli was just the beginning of three days of frustrating, increasingly tense negotiations conducted by a State Department consular officer, Yael Lempert. Libyan officials kept changing their demands for the conditions of the journalists release, and an allied coalition, including the United States, began bombing Tripoli to enforce a no-fly zone. Several Libyan agencies were involved in the negotiation, which added to the confusion.
First the Libyan government demanded that an American diplomat come to Tripoli to take the journalists, State Department officials said. The United States, which closed its embassy in Libya last month, refused. After initially resisting, the Libyans agreed to allow the Turkish Embassy to act as an intermediary.
The release was scheduled for Sunday but was delayed until Monday because of the bombing. The four were turned over to Turkish diplomats Monday afternoon, and were driven to the border with Tunisia.
While Monday was a day for celebration and relief at The Times, other news organizations covering the conflicts in Libya and elsewhere in the Arab world have not been so lucky. According to the Committee to Protect Journalists, 13 journalists are either missing or in government custody. The missing include four from Al Jazeera, two from Agence France-Presse and one from Getty Images. In addition, six Libyan journalists are unaccounted for
The Libyan government freed four New York Times journalists on Monday, six days after they were captured while covering the conflict between government and rebel forces in the eastern city of Ajdabiya. They were released into the custody of Turkish diplomats and crossed safely into Tunisia in the late afternoon, from where they provided a harrowing account of their captivity.
Like many other Western journalists, the four had entered the rebel-controlled eastern region of Libya over the Egyptian border without visas to cover the insurrection against Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi. They were detained in Ajdabiya by forces loyal to Colonel Qaddafi.
The journalists are Anthony Shadid, The Timess Beirut bureau chief, who has won two Pulitzer Prizes for international reporting; two photographers, Tyler Hicks and Lynsey Addario, who have extensive experience in war zones; and a reporter and videographer, Stephen Farrell, who in 2009 was captured by the Taliban in Afghanistan and was rescued by British commandos.
After The New York Times reported having lost contact with the four last Tuesday, officials with the Qaddafi government pledged that if they had been detained by the governments military forces, they would be located and released unharmed.
Bill Keller, the executive editor of The Times, wrote in a note to the newsroom that he was overjoyed at the news.
Because of the volatile situation in Libya, weve kept our enthusiasm and comments in check until they were out of the country, but now feels like a moment for celebration, he wrote.
Were particularly indebted to the government of Turkey, which intervened on our behalf to oversee the release of our journalists and bring them to Tunisia, Mr. Keller added. We were also assisted throughout the week by diplomats from the United States and United Kingdom.
A clearer account of the four journalists capture and detention has come to light now that they have been released.
The four had been covering fighting near Ajdabiya last Tuesday when they decided that the battle had grown too dangerous for them to continue safely. Their driver, however, inadvertently drove into a checkpoint manned by forces loyal to Colonel Qaddafi. By the time they knew they were in trouble, it was too late.
I was yelling to the driver, Keep driving! Dont stop! Dont stop! Mr. Hicks recalled in a telephone interview from the hotel where he and the three others were recuperating. I knew that the consequences of being stopped would be very bad.
The driver, Mohamed Shaglouf, is still missing. If he had tried to drive straight through, Mr. Hicks said, the vehicle certainly would have been fired on. In any event, the soldiers flung the doors to their gold four-door sedan wide open so quickly that they had little chance to get away.
As they were being pulled from the car, rebels fired on the checkpoint, sending the four running for their lives.
You could see the bullets hitting the dirt, Mr. Shadid said.
All four made it safely behind a small, one-room building, where they tried to take cover. But the soldiers had other plans. They told all four to empty their pockets and ordered them on the ground. And that is when they thought they were seconds from death.
I heard in Arabic, Shoot them, Mr. Shadid said. And we all thought it was over.
Then another soldier spoke up. One of the others said: No, theyre American. We cant shoot them, Mr. Hicks said.
The soldiers grabbed whatever they could get their hands on to tie up their prisoners: wire, an electrical cord from a home appliance, a scarf. One removed Ms. Addarios shoes, pulled out the laces and used them to bind her ankles. Then one punched her in the face and laughed.
Then I started crying, she recalled. And he was laughing more. One man grabbed her breasts, the beginning of a pattern of disturbing behavior she would experience from her captors over the next 48 hours.
There was a lot of groping, she said. Every man who came in contact with us basically felt every inch of my body short of what was under my clothes.
Their captors held them in Ajdabiya until the fighting with the rebels died down. Soldiers put the four in a vehicle and drove them out of the city around 2 a.m. One threatened to decapitate Mr. Hicks. Another stroked Ms. Addarios head and told her repeatedly she was going to die.
He was caressing my head in this sick way, this tender way, saying: Youre going to die tonight. Youre going to die tonight, she said.
Their vehicle stopped repeatedly at checkpoints, each time allowing for a new group of soldiers to land a fresh punch or a rifle butt in their backs. The first night they spent in the back of a vehicle. The second night they spent in a jail cell with dirty mattresses on the ground, a bottle to urinate in and a jug of water to drink.
On the third day they were on the move again, this time to an airfield. Mr. Shadid, who speaks Arabic, had overheard one of the soldiers saying something about a plane, and the four assumed they would be flown somewhere. As they were loaded on the plane they were blindfolded and their hands were bound tightly with plastic handcuffs.
I could hear Anthony at this point yelling Help me! Mr. Hicks said, which I learned later was because he had no feeling in his hands. In a rare show of mercy, a soldier loosened the cuffs.
They landed on Thursday in Tripoli, where they were handed over to Libyan defense officials. They were transferred to a safe house, where they said they were treated well. They were each allowed a brief phone call.
That was the first time since their capture two and a half days earlier that their whereabouts became known to their families and colleagues at The Times.
Their disappearance had kicked off an intensive search effort. The Times canvassed hospitals and morgues, beginning a grim process-of-elimination search. The paper also turned to a variety of people on the ground who might have heard or seen something local residents, security contractors for Western businesses, workers for nongovernmental organizations. It also notified American diplomats.
The State Department got word Thursday afternoon that the journalists were safe and unharmed, in a phone call to Jeffrey D. Feltman, the assistant secretary of state for Near Eastern affairs, from an aide to Abdullah al-Senussi, the head of Libyan military intelligence and the brother-in-law of Colonel Qaddafi, Mr. Feltman said.
But the arrival of the four journalists in Tripoli was just the beginning of three days of frustrating, increasingly tense negotiations conducted by a State Department consular officer, Yael Lempert. Libyan officials kept changing their demands for the conditions of the journalists release, and an allied coalition, including the United States, began bombing Tripoli to enforce a no-fly zone. Several Libyan agencies were involved in the negotiation, which added to the confusion.
First the Libyan government demanded that an American diplomat come to Tripoli to take the journalists, State Department officials said. The United States, which closed its embassy in Libya last month, refused. After initially resisting, the Libyans agreed to allow the Turkish Embassy to act as an intermediary.
The release was scheduled for Sunday but was delayed until Monday because of the bombing. The four were turned over to Turkish diplomats Monday afternoon, and were driven to the border with Tunisia.
While Monday was a day for celebration and relief at The Times, other news organizations covering the conflicts in Libya and elsewhere in the Arab world have not been so lucky. According to the Committee to Protect Journalists, 13 journalists are either missing or in government custody. The missing include four from Al Jazeera, two from Agence France-Presse and one from Getty Images. In addition, six Libyan journalists are unaccounted for
~Cheer up, the worst is yet to come.~
Ongelooflijk, wat een nare vent. Net ook bij Wakker Nederland, of hoe heet dat...quote:
Wie heeft Pauw & Witteman gisteren (21-03-2011) gezien over Libie? Wat een droeftoeter is die Joris Voorhoeve zeg! En de zoon van Ghadaffi heeft gestudeerd bij de zoon van Voorhoeve
• Het is geen NAVO-actie, maar een VN-actie!
Right,
.• De kans is aanwezig op een gedeelde staat waarbij de NAVO VN de rebellenenclave zal moeten beschermen.
. Je zou zeggen, een argument tegen deze oorlog, maar nee.• Nu is het tijd om te bedenken wat er verder moet gebeuren.
O, nú is het tijd? Niet voor de oorlog begon? Exact wat ik al de tijd heb gezegd: ondoordacht machoïsme.
• Hopelijk stort het regime snel in elkaar en komt er iets democratisch.
Hoop is geen plan, Joris.
Echt, het was haast ongelooflijk om deze onzin van deze onzinnige vent te horen. Als je 'm die propaganda hoort uitkramen, dan zou je haast verwachten dat hij is ingehuurd, maar waarschijnlijk is het gewoon een man zonder enig benul -ook al was hij minister van Buitenlandse Zaken- die opgewonden raakt van oorlog.
Ik moet bij deze woorden aan jou denken.quote:
Echt, het was haast ongelooflijk om deze onzin van deze onzinnige vent te horen. Als je 'm die propaganda hoort uitkramen, dan zou je haast verwachten dat hij is ingehuurd,
Wat stel je voor, dat we ons terugtrekken en de mensen in het MO verder laten martelen?
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[b]Op dinsdag 6 januari 2009 19:59 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:[/b]
De gevolgen van de argumenten van de anti-rook maffia
[b]Op dinsdag 6 januari 2009 19:59 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:[/b]
De gevolgen van de argumenten van de anti-rook maffia
Precies. OPen je OGEN!11 de Infowar is begonnen!quote:
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Ik moet bij deze woorden aan jou denken.
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Dat kan hier Waarom grijpen we in in Libië ?quote:
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Precies. OPen je OGEN!11 de Infowar is begonnen!
En hier Nu op TV (VPRO): Tegenlicht - Onze dierbare dictators
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[b]Op dinsdag 6 januari 2009 19:59 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:[/b]
De gevolgen van de argumenten van de anti-rook maffia
[b]Op dinsdag 6 januari 2009 19:59 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:[/b]
De gevolgen van de argumenten van de anti-rook maffia
