Revolutie in Libië #49: Zorgen om het westen

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Op dinsdag 8 maart 2011 15:22 schreef yavanna het volgende:

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Yup, maar dat maakt het 'missen' van snelle betrouwbare info niet minder.

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Op dinsdag 8 maart 2011 15:25 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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Ik gok dat dit z'n laatste Mubarak-optreden is waar ie nog niet opstapt. "Ik ben jullie vader, hervormingen, ik laat jullie niet in de steek"

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Op dinsdag 8 maart 2011 15:26 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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Ik ben een uber-realist.
Heel vervelend, ik weet het.

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Op dinsdag 8 maart 2011 15:28 schreef Dance99Vv het volgende:

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zal wel in dat revolutie-boekje van je staan .....

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Op dinsdag 8 maart 2011 16:01 schreef rakotto het volgende:
Is de clown al weg?

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Rebels will not pursue Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi over crimes they say he has committed if he steps down from his post in the next 72 hours, the head of the rebel National Libyan Council has told Al Jazeera.

"If he leaves Libya immediately, during 72 hours, and stops the bombardment, we as Libyans will step back from pursuing him for crimes," Mustafa Abdel Jalil, head of the opposition National Council, told Al Jazeera on Tuesday.

He said the deadline would not be extended beyond 72 hours.

"Based on our love for our country we have proposed to the [Gaddafi's] indirect negotiators that a solution can be reached," Mustafa told Al Jazeera.

"Conditions are that firstly he stops all combat in the fields, secondly that his departure is within 72 hours; thirdly we may waive our right of domestic prosecution ... for the crimes of oppression, persecution, starvation and massacres.

"We will have to wait and see what the regime's response is."

Libyan state television on Tuesday denied reports that the Libyan leader tried to strike a deal with opposition forces seeking his removal. An official from the Libyan foreign ministry described the reports as "absolute nonsense".

However, a spokesman for the opposition National Council in the eastern rebel stronghold of Benghazi confirmed that a representative had sought to negotiate Gaddafi's exit.

Gaddafi was reported to have sent a representative to Benghazi on Sunday night to discuss a conditional plan to step down, Al Jazeera learned. The offer was provided on the condition that Gaddafi would be able to keep his assets and avoid prosecution.

The Libyan leader is said to be willing to step down in return for dropping war crimes charges against him and guaranteeing a safe exit for him and his family. He also reportedly wants guarantees from the UN that he will be allowed to keep his money.

Appeal for dialogue

On Monday evening, a leading member of the government appealed to rebel leaders for dialogue, another sign that Gaddafi may be ready to compromise with opponents challenging his rule.

Jadallah Azous Al-Talhi, a Libyan prime minister in the 1980s, appeared on state television on Monday reading an address to elders in Benghazi, asking them to "give a chance to national dialogue to resolve this crisis, to help stop the bloodshed, and not give a chance to foreigners to come and capture our country again".

The appeal did not detail any concessions that Gaddafi's administration would be prepared to make. The rebels said they will settle for nothing less than an end to Gaddafi's four decades in power.

The fact that Al-Talhi's appeal was broadcast on tightly-controlled state television indicated that it was officially endorsed.

Until now Gaddafi and his entourage have shown little public appetite for dialogue, describing the rebels as armed youths under the influence of drugs who have been manipulated by al-Qaeda and foreign powers.

Tripoli last week appointed an envoy to take humanitarian aid to Benghazi but it was not clear if the envoy had a mandate to negotiate with the rebels.

Strengthening military positions

Security forces loyal to Gaddafi have strengthened their military position in the last few days, squeezing rebel-held towns in the west and checking the advance of rebel militias westwards towards the capital, Tripoli.

There has also been fierce fighting in the eastern city of Misurata, located between Tripoli and Gaddafi's hometown Sirte, with reports of at least 18 people killed.

Families residing in Ras Lanuf began heading eastward in an apparent attempt to flee the fighting in that strategic port town, our correspondent there said. Several people were reported to have been killed in battles a day earlier, including a family trying to flee the fighting.

Gaddafi supporters moved eastward on Tuesday in an effort to push the rebels back and recapture fallen towns, with reports emerging that they have taken the central Libyan town of Bin Jawad.

Valerie Amos, UN under-secretary-general for humanitarian affairs and emergency relief co-ordinator, said in a statement that the Benghazi Red Crescent reported that Misurata was also under attack by government forces again.

"Humanitarian organisations need urgent access now,'' she said. "People are injured and dying and need help immediately."

Witnesses also told Al Jazeera that Az-Zawiyah, west of Tripoli, was under heavy attack by government forces.

For now, the Gaddafi government has managed to halt the rebel advance that began last week when fighters ventured beyond the opposition-controlled eastern half of the country.

Rebels plead for help

The rebel forces say they will be outgunned if the government continues to unleash its air attacks on them and are pleading for the international community to impose a no-fly zone to prevent this.

"We don't want a foreign military intervention, but we do want a no-fly zone," rebel fighter Ali Suleiman told AP.

"We are all waiting for one,'' he said. The rebels can take on "the rockets and the tanks, but not Gaddafi's air force''.

The US president said on Monday that the US and its NATO allies were still considering a military response to the violence even as Britain and France were drafting a UN resolution that would establish a no-fly zone.

Barack Obama said the US will stand with the Libyan people as they face "unacceptable'' violence. He also sent a strong message to Gaddafi, saying he and his supporters will be held responsible for the violence there.
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William Hague, the UK foreign minister, said Britain is "working closely with partners on a contingency basis on elements of a resolution on a no-fly zone".

However, a British diplomat at the UN clarified that the draft resolution is being prepared in case it is needed but no decision has been made to introduce it at the Security Council.

The six US-allied Gulf Arab nations on Monday said they back a UN-enforced no-fly zone over Libya to protect civilians. The Gulf states also condemned the killings by pro-government forces in Libya as "massacres".

Arab foreign ministers are to hold crisis talks on Friday to discuss imposing a no-fly zone over Libya, Arab League
officials said.

Hundreds if not thousands of people have died since Libya's uprising began on February 14 in an effort to end Gaddafi's more than 41-year rule, although tight restrictions on media make it near impossible to get an accurate number.

The number of people who have fled the violence in Libya since last month has passed 215,000 according to the International Organisation for Migration, most of them foreign workers. The exodus is creating a humanitarian crisis across the border with Tunisia.

The UN refugee agency warned on Tuesday that there was a critical shortage of long haul flights to evacuate foreign migrants who have fled Libya to their home countries in Asia and Africa.

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Op dinsdag 8 maart 2011 16:11 schreef yavanna het volgende:
Zou het?!

AJELive
Reports coming in that Gaddafi is due to make a statement shortly.

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Op dinsdag 8 maart 2011 16:20 schreef shomila het volgende:
LibyaFeb17_com LibyaFeb17.com
BREAKING: Revolutionaries totally refuse Council's granting Gaddafi 72 hours to leave without persecution #Libya #feb17
2 minutes ago

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Op dinsdag 8 maart 2011 16:49 schreef Dance99Vv het volgende:
US marine chief greatest libian air trheat is helicopter forces (presstv)

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Op dinsdag 8 maart 2011 16:57 schreef Bartholomaeus het volgende:
Duurt nog wel even dus, die speech.

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Op dinsdag 8 maart 2011 17:23 schreef Dekatria het volgende:

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Die speeches duren sowieso wel

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Op dinsdag 8 maart 2011 16:53 schreef Muridae het volgende:

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Rambo VI : Libyan uprising
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Mil Mi-24 "Hind"

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Op dinsdag 8 maart 2011 17:40 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/libya/af.htm

ik zie hier niets over heftig helikopter materieel.

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Op dinsdag 8 maart 2011 18:11 schreef shomila het volgende:
richardengelnbc richard engel
#libya..the hours keep passing. No qaddafi, reporters sitting on the floor waiting
7 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

richardengelnbc richard engel
#libya.. Its like house arrest now (hotel arrest) for reporters in tripoli. Penned in, controlled
7 minutes ago

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Op dinsdag 8 maart 2011 18:13 schreef ChristianLebaneseFront het volgende:

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Zou wel een bazenactie zijn om gewoon niet op te dagen.

Al zie ik die gek wel het hele zaaltje vergassen als farewell gift.

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Op dinsdag 8 maart 2011 18:15 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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Yep, maar ik kan niet zo snel vinden dat ie ze ergens heeft staan.

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Op dinsdag 8 maart 2011 18:22 schreef ChristianLebaneseFront het volgende:

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libyan_Air_Force

Hij heeft er 37.

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Scroll ook ff helemaal naar beneden "captured aircraft"

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Op dinsdag 8 maart 2011 18:40 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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Er waren al berichten over contacten tussen Israël en Ghaddafi.

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Op dinsdag 8 maart 2011 18:40 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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Er waren al berichten over contacten tussen Israël en Ghaddafi.

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Op dinsdag 8 maart 2011 18:47 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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Oh! Ik wil eerst bevestiging!

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Op dinsdag 8 maart 2011 18:47 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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Oh! Ik wil eerst bevestiging!

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Op dinsdag 8 maart 2011 18:48 schreef Nibb-it het volgende:

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Sorry heb ik niet, negeer het maar allemaal mod mag mijn account verwijderd worden

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Op dinsdag 8 maart 2011 18:53 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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Je MAG sowieso blijven.

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Op dinsdag 8 maart 2011 18:48 schreef Nibb-it het volgende:

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Sorry heb ik niet, negeer het maar allemaal mod mag mijn account verwijderd worden

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2.49pm: Earlier we heard reports that the Mitiga airbase had defected to anti-Gaddafi supporters. Martin Chulov tweets to confirm:

@martinchulov The Mitiga air base is confirmed to have fallen in Tripoli. #Libya. #Ghaddafi. Planes that strafed citizens took off from here.

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Op dinsdag 8 maart 2011 19:03 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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Mitiga is toch Oost-Tripoli? Niet Oost Libië? Of is er nog een Mitiga?

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Op dinsdag 8 maart 2011 19:13 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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Ik postte half serieus ook al zoiets. En als Mitiga is gevallen, snap ik het gedoe van afgelopen paar dagen. Dat "feesten" en zo. Ze waren gewoon vet aan het vechten in Ghaddafi's bolwerk.

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Op dinsdag 8 maart 2011 19:22 schreef horned_reaper het volgende:
Komt die speech nog ?

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Op dinsdag 8 maart 2011 19:34 schreef Dance99Vv het volgende:
was even eten ....nog nieuws van het front in libie en van die speech ?
nog iets gemist?

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Op dinsdag 8 maart 2011 19:35 schreef Nibb-it het volgende:

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Helemaal niks .

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Op dinsdag 8 maart 2011 19:35 schreef Dance99Vv het volgende:

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jij mocht blijven?

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Op dinsdag 8 maart 2011 19:35 schreef shomila het volgende:
LibyaFeb17_com LibyaFeb17.com
BREAKING: Sky News video report on Az Zawiya now online - #feb17 #libya - libyafeb17.com/2011/03/breaki
2 minutes ago

http://www.libyafeb17.com(...)g-shelled-right-now/

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Op dinsdag 8 maart 2011 19:41 schreef Bartholomaeus het volgende:
gpdMiddleEast
Zojuist kwamen er paar rebellen langs die kip met rijst uitdeelden aan de aanwezige journalisten. Iedereen zit nu te schransen. Lekker!

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Op dinsdag 8 maart 2011 19:41 schreef Bartholomaeus het volgende:
gpdMiddleEast

Zit nu in het enige kamertje in #Benghazi waar er nog internet is. Soort van persruimte, naast het gebouw waar de rebellen vanuit opereren. Zojuist kwamen er paar rebellen langs die kip met rijst uitdeelden aan de aanwezige journalisten. Iedereen zit nu te schransen. Lekker! buiten nu de dagelijkse anti-Kadhafi demonstratie. Overal lopen jongens met vlaggen en geweren, iedereen draagt baret, lijkt op Che Guevara. Omdat er nauwelijks politie/gezag is in Benghazi zijn er inmiddels al vijf journalisten beroofd door criminelen.... ...Maar ik moet toegeven, die rebellen hier zijn uiterst vriendelijk. Nog nooit zoiets gezien. je hebt nergens toestemming voor nodig... ...je mag alles filmen, kunt zo naar frontlinie toerijden, je wordt niet gehinderd, mag iedereen interviewen, ieder kantoor binnenlopen... ...Zoveel openheid is echt heel uniek. geweldig! Wat een verschil met taliban of hezbollah die journalisten eindelooooooooooos tegenwerken. ...als ik thuis ben, ga ik weer eens 'Homage to Catalonia' van George Orwell herlezen...Barcelona 1937, Benghazi 2011...

Waar ik me aan stoor is dat 'ie doet alsof de anti's een soort van Hezbollah of Taliban zijn. Die 'rebellen' vechten voor hun vrijheid en deden dat eerst zonder geweld. Toen werden ze aangevallen door pro's en toen MOESTEN ze wel geweld terug gebruiken. Anders werd hun revolutie de kop in gedrukt en dan zou alles hetzelfde blijf als toen het al was. En dan zouden zeer waarschijnlijk de demonstranten een straf krijgen.

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Op dinsdag 8 maart 2011 19:39 schreef Nibb-it het volgende:

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Die beelden als ze door het stadje rijden doen me aan Irak denken.

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Op dinsdag 8 maart 2011 19:45 schreef shomila het volgende:

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Ik heb gewoon tranen in me ogen van dat filmpje.
Ja ik ben een emo muts.