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Ik denk dat Kim Jong-un ook geen grote veranderingen gaat brengen.quote:Op woensdag 29 juni 2011 20:47 schreef michaelmoore het volgende:
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Ja dan wacht ik wel tot Kim is ingeruild voor een andere
Ik zie net dat er twee Noord Korea-topics zijn. Deze was eigenlijk voor de andere bedoeld.quote:Op woensdag 29 juni 2011 19:55 schreef waht het volgende:
Als tegenhanger voor de rooskleurige (oftewel bedrieglijke) berichtgeving van Chooselife:
http://www.youtube.com/re(...)a+concentration+camp
Maar goed.
The problem is not the occupation, but how people deal with it.
Ja er zijn een paar taxi's in Pyongyang.quote:
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Ja dan kan je dus nergens heen, er zijn ook geen taxi's denk ik ofwel
Je reist per soort touringcar van Chinees fabrikaat.
Jij kunt niets van wat ik zeg weerleggen. En tot op dat moment kun je erop rekenen dat ik de waarheid spreek.quote:
Als tegenhanger voor de rooskleurige (oftewel bedrieglijke) berichtgeving van Chooselife:
http://www.youtube.com/re(...)a+concentration+camp
Ik persoonlijk niet. Wat ik wel kan is luisteren naar andere toeristen die in NK zijn geweest, en jouw verhalen bevestigen. En luisteren naar gevluchte NK'en om te horen wat toeristen niet te zien krijgen.quote:
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Jij kunt niets van wat ik zeg weerleggen. En tot op dat moment kun je erop rekenen dat ik de waarheid spreek.
The problem is not the occupation, but how people deal with it.
Wat krijgen die niet te zien dan, concentratiekampen? Maar wat is het verschil tussen zo'n kamp en Guantanamo Bay?quote:
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Ik persoonlijk niet. Wat ik wel kan is luisteren naar andere toeristen die in NK zijn geweest, en jouw verhalen bevestigen. En luisteren naar gevluchte NK'en om te horen wat toeristen niet te zien krijgen.
Voel jij je de ambassadeur van NK dat je zo krampachtig in de verdediging schiet?quote:
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Jij kunt niets van wat ik zeg weerleggen. En tot op dat moment kun je erop rekenen dat ik de waarheid spreek.
Er zijn talrijke ooggetuige-verslagen, onderbouwd door video-materiaal en overheidsdocumenten, die ingaan op allerlei weerzinwekkende voorvallen in die kampen gaan.
En daarmee komt uiteindelijk de politiek ingegeven aap uit de mouw.quote:
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Wat krijgen die niet te zien dan, concentratiekampen? Maar wat is het verschil tussen zo'n kamp en Guantanamo Bay?
Zaterdag 17 juli 15:05
KoosVogels: "Ik trek me erop af, nou goed? Domme spleetoog."
Af gaan op uiterlijk en een user-icon....
Faal van de eeuw.
KoosVogels: "Ik trek me erop af, nou goed? Domme spleetoog."
Af gaan op uiterlijk en een user-icon....
Faal van de eeuw.
Maar diezelfde gegevens hebben we toch ook van Guantanamo Bay? Of de behandelingen van rechtenlozen als Bradley Manning, Omar Khadr? Ik zie het verschil niet echt. Beide beestachtig, zonder enige vorm van proces, zonder enige kans op een verdediging.quote:
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Voel jij je de ambassadeur van NK dat je zo krampachtig in de verdediging schiet?
Er zijn talrijke ooggetuige-verslagen, onderbouwd door video-materiaal en overheidsdocumenten, die ingaan op allerlei weerzinwekkende voorvallen in die kampen gaan.
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En daarmee komt uiteindelijk de politiek ingegeven aap uit de mouw.
En als we de site van Amnesty International eens afstruinen constateren we in grote delen van de (met name) derde wereld beestachtige en mensonterende taferelen in gevangenissen. Eerlijke processen? My ass. Geen enkel proces. Zuid Korea heeft eenzelfde historie, tussen de jaren '70 en eind jaren '90! Maar niemand weet het kennelijk, niemand rept erover.
Dat specifiek een land als Noord Korea daar op afgerekend wordt is volledig terecht -het is barbaars-, maar vooral ook ronduit hypocriet. Als landen hun scheur opentrekken over mensenrechten in landen als DPRK, geef dan op z'n minst het goede voorbeeld. Tot op het moment dat niet zo is; hypocriete smoel houden.
Die overheidsdocumenten zijn mij niet bekend, heb je daar een bron van voor mij?quote:
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Voel jij je de ambassadeur van NK dat je zo krampachtig in de verdediging schiet?
Er zijn talrijke ooggetuige-verslagen, onderbouwd door video-materiaal en overheidsdocumenten, die ingaan op allerlei weerzinwekkende voorvallen in die kampen gaan.
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En daarmee komt uiteindelijk de politiek ingegeven aap uit de mouw.
Toeristen krijgen alleen het acceptabele van NK te zien. In een dictatoriaal regime als dat van NK draait alles om propaganda, zowel voor binnen- als buitenland.quote:
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Wat krijgen die niet te zien dan, concentratiekampen? Maar wat is het verschil tussen zo'n kamp en Guantanamo Bay?
Daarnaast hoeven we de kampen van NK niet te vergelijken met GB omdat het irrelevant is wat betreft de ethische kwestie in NK.
SPOILEROm spoilers te kunnen lezen moet je zijn ingelogd. Je moet je daarvoor eerst gratis Registreren. Ook kun je spoilers niet lezen als je een ban hebt.The problem is not the occupation, but how people deal with it.
Leesvoer voor de militair-technische/tactische geïnteresseerden onder ons:
Bluffer's Guide: North Korea I
Bluffer's Guide: North Korea II
Bluffer's Guide: North Korea I
Bluffer's Guide: North Korea II
Nice.quote:
Leesvoer voor de militair-technische/tactische geïnteresseerden onder ons:
Bluffer's Guide: North Korea I
Bluffer's Guide: North Korea II
Die ga ik even lezen.
The problem is not the occupation, but how people deal with it.
Vet, morgen eens even de tijd voor nemen.quote:
Leesvoer voor de militair-technische/tactische geïnteresseerden onder ons:
Bluffer's Guide: North Korea I
Bluffer's Guide: North Korea II
Was er trouwens niet een centraal Noord-Korea topic? Kan 'm niet vinden, of ik kan gewoon niet met de searchfunctie omgaan
Het niet doorgaan met het overleg met medvedev is wel een teken dat Kim helemaal alleen staat, wat zal ie doen nu, geen communistische hulp meerquote:
Was er trouwens niet een centraal Noord-Korea topic? Kan 'm niet vinden, of ik kan gewoon niet met de searchfunctie omgaan
Er gaat niets boven lekker in de zon zitten in de achtertuin met een heel koud glas bier , als je al 72 jaar bent en nog gezond, laat ze maar lachen de sukkels
China is nog altijd een sterke bondgenoot.quote:
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Het niet doorgaan met het overleg met medvedev is wel een teken dat Kim helemaal alleen staat, wat zal ie doen nu, geen communistische hulp meer
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Nou dat vraag ik me af, ze worden die schreeuwlelijk ook wel wat zat hoorquote:
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China is nog altijd een sterke bondgenoot.
Er gaat niets boven lekker in de zon zitten in de achtertuin met een heel koud glas bier , als je al 72 jaar bent en nog gezond, laat ze maar lachen de sukkels
Ze hebben liever de blaffende teckel Noord-Korea als de Amerikanen in de achtertuin. Maar je hebt gelijk, de steun van de Chinezen is verminderd, de contacten zijn wat verwaterd.quote:
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Nou dat vraag ik me af, ze worden die schreeuwlelijk ook wel wat zat hoor
Desalnietemin komt er wel een nieuwe economische zone tussen China en Noord-Korea.
En nou ga ik toch echt m'n mand in
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Noord-Korea is ook nog vriendjes met Iran, Myanmar en Zimbabwe.quote:
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Het niet doorgaan met het overleg met medvedev is wel een teken dat Kim helemaal alleen staat, wat zal ie doen nu, geen communistische hulp meer
Ik zag ze in een paar Britse documentaires voorbij komen.quote:
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Die overheidsdocumenten zijn mij niet bekend, heb je daar een bron van voor mij?
Wellicht Channel 4 of BBC.
Daarin werd gesproken over de logistiek van kampgevangenen en de behandelingen(martelingen) in zo'n kamp.
Zaterdag 17 juli 15:05
KoosVogels: "Ik trek me erop af, nou goed? Domme spleetoog."
Af gaan op uiterlijk en een user-icon....
Faal van de eeuw.
KoosVogels: "Ik trek me erop af, nou goed? Domme spleetoog."
Af gaan op uiterlijk en een user-icon....
Faal van de eeuw.
Netjes geregeld daar.quote:
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De gevolgen van de argumenten van de anti-rook maffia
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Speech van Kim Il Sung - 'For a free and peaceful new world'
Pyongyang, 29 april 1991
Esteemed Mr. President of the Council of the Inter-Parliamentary Union, Honourable delegates,
The opening today of the 85th Inter-Parliamentary Conference in PyongYang, the capital of our country, gives the Korean people great pleasure.
Allow me to bid a hearty welcome to the parliamentary delegates from many countries, to the delegates from international organizations and to all other guests from foreign countries.
This conference is an important opportunity to deepen mutual understanding between the national assemblies of various countries, develop cooperation among them and strengthen friendship and solidarity the Korean people and other peoples throughout the world.
I hope that, through your sincere efforts, the 85th Inter-Parliamentary Conference will hold succesful discussions on the items on the agenda and achieve excellent results.
Honourable delegates,
The national assembly of each country, as its highest legislative body, has a mission and responsibility to realise democratic government. Democracy must be not only the basic ideal of state administration for championing people's right to independence, but also a common ideal of world politics for ensuring equality and cooperation among countries. the foreign policy of a state is the extension of its domestic policy. Therefore, making individual countries democratic is closely connected with the undertaking to make the international community democratic. The members of national assemblies who are working with devotion for the development of democratic government in their own countries should also contribute actively to making world politics democratic, and thus fulfill their resonsibilities and role as statesmen of the present age.
The Inter-Parliamentary Union, which was founded more than a century ago in order to realise the noble ideal of peace and cooperation, has contributed to safeguarding world peace and to developing friendship and cooperation among countries and peoples. With the development of the times and historical progress, the Inter-Parliamentary Union has assumed a heavier mission and greater responsibility in the international political arena.
Today, humanity finds itself at a turning point in historical progress. The old age of domination and subjugation that lasted for thousands of years has come to an end, and a new age is being ushered in, the new age when all countries and all nations shape their destiny independently. Mankind is now faced with the common task of strengthening the historical current and building a free and peaceful new world.
In order to build the new world aspired to by mankind, it is necessary to abolish the unequal old international order in all fields of politics, the economy and culture and establish an equitable new international order. There are large and small countries in the world, but there cannot be major and minor countries; there are developed nations and less developed nations, but there cannot be nations destined to dominate other nations or those destined to be dominated. All countries and nations are qual members of the international community and as such have the right to independence and equality. No privilege and no arbitrariness should be tolerated in international relations; friendship and cooperation among countries must be fully developed on the principles of mutual resect, non-interference in the affairs of other countries, equality and mutual benefit.
Peace is the common aspiration of humanity, and only when peace is ensured can the people create an independent new life. The wrong idea and policy of trampling upon the independence of other countries and other nations and of dominating others are the cause of the current threat to peace. In order to safeguard peace, all countries and nations must maintain independence, oppose poer politics, and develop a powerful joint international struggle to prevent aggression and war.
Disarmament and the abolition of nuclear weapons and other types of weapons of mass destruction is the most pressing task in ensuring peace. The large stockpile of nuclear weapons now on Earth is a menace to the survival of mankind itself. It is intolerable that the valuable results of science and technology created by mankind and social wealth be used for the production of the means of aggression and war that threaten man's survival, and not for the well-being and development of humanity. The testing and production of nuclear weapons must be banned, the number of existing nuclear weapons must be reduced and, then, nuclear weapons must be completely abolished.
The Korean people, who are constantly under the threat of nuclear weapons, have proposed the abolition of nuclear weapons as a vital matter relating to the destiny of the nation. We strongly assert that the Korean peninsula should be made a nuclear-free, peace zone. We strongly support the peace movement of the peoples of many countries for disarmament and for the creation of nuclear-free, peace zones.
Building a free and peaceful new world is the mature requirement of our times. Today, domination and subjugation, agression and war can benefit nobody; for the peoples of all countries to develop independently and live peacefully together is the correct way for humanity to take. Historical progress may suffer setbacks, but the forces of independence and peace will grow in strength as the days go by, and the just cause of creating a new world will triumph without fail.
The unity of the people throughout the world and cooperation among them are the guarantee for the victory of their common cause of creating a new world. The Inter-Parliamentary Union, the centre of international deliberation by independent national assemblies, must concern itself with making the international community democratic on the basis of independence and safeguarding world peace and security, and must contribute to promoting unity and cooperation among peoples. The ideas of independence, peace and friendship which our Republic consistently maintains in its international relations accord with the ideas advocated by the Inter-Parliamentary Union. In future our Republic will further strengthen its ties and cooperation with the Inter-Parliamentary Union and be faithful to mankind's common cause of creating a free and peaceful new world.
Delegates,
Today our people are working hard to build a genuine society for the people in which man's complete independence will be realised, and to achieve the independent and peaceful reunification of their country.
The political philosophy of our state is the Juche idea which requires that all consideration should be centred on man and that everything should be made to serve him. By fighting in single-hearted unity under the banner of the Juche idea our people have been able to build, even under the most difficult conditions and circumstances, man-centred socialism in which the people are the genuine masters of the society and everything in society serves them. the democratic character of our society finds clear expression in the fact that all the people, as the masters of the state, equally enjoy a sound and stable life in its material and cultural aspects, exercising completely equal political rights and that, on the basis of comradely love and obligation, they work together for a common goal and develop together, helping one another and leading one another forward.
Our people take great pride and self-confidence in their just cause; they will work to the end to build an ideal society for mankind in accordance with their own belief and by their own efforts.
Reunifying Korea is the vital requirement of our nation; it is an important question in international politics.
The Korean people are a homogenous nation that has lived on the same territory generation after generation, a nation celebrated for its long history and fine cultural traditions. There is no internal cause for our nation to live divided. Ours was not a defeated country in the Second World War; our people contributed to destroying fascism through their long-drawn-out national-liberation struggle. In spite of this, after the war our country was divided into north and south, contrary to the will of the Korean nation, and the nation is still divided. This is not only a source of untold misfortune and sufferingfor our nation bt also a cause of the unstable and dangerous situation in the Asian region. Both from the point of view of national independence and of the cause of peace in Asia and the rest of the world, the question of Korea's reunification requires an immediate settlement.
To this end we consistently maintain the three principles of independence, peaceful reunification and great national unity which the north and the south agreed upon and jointly declared; we hold that on these principles the country should be reunified by founding a confederacy based on one nation, one state, two systems and two governments. We consider that this conforms with the desire of the Korean nation to develop independently as one reunified nation and meets the requirement of the present era of independence and peace. We recognise that it is also the most feasible way of reunifying the country peacefully when different ideas and systems actually exist in the north and the south.
The desire of our nation for reunification has already become fused to surmount the barrier of division, and their belief that Korea is one has become unshakable. We will actively develop the dialogue between the north and the south in conformity with the mounting trend throughout the nation towards reunification, and will make every possible effort to remove all obstacles to reunification.
The statesmen of today who treasure justice and democracy in international politics cannot be indifferent to the misfortune and suffering of the peoples of other countries; they must cooperate to ensure the just settlement of international questions which affect the estiny of nations. We expect that the parlaiments and statesmen of all countries, not to mention the countries responsible for the Korean issue, will pay close attnetion to the matter of the reunification of our country and cooperate actively for the just settlement of this question.
You delegates are the distinguished guests of our people. Everywhere you go our people will receive you warmly and bid you a hearty welcome.
I hope that your stay in our country will be pleasant and useful and I wish you success in your honourable work.
Thank you.
Bron:
Kim Il Sung, For a free and peaceful new world Foreign Languages Publishing House, Pyongyang (1991)
Pyongyang, 29 april 1991
Esteemed Mr. President of the Council of the Inter-Parliamentary Union, Honourable delegates,
The opening today of the 85th Inter-Parliamentary Conference in PyongYang, the capital of our country, gives the Korean people great pleasure.
Allow me to bid a hearty welcome to the parliamentary delegates from many countries, to the delegates from international organizations and to all other guests from foreign countries.
This conference is an important opportunity to deepen mutual understanding between the national assemblies of various countries, develop cooperation among them and strengthen friendship and solidarity the Korean people and other peoples throughout the world.
I hope that, through your sincere efforts, the 85th Inter-Parliamentary Conference will hold succesful discussions on the items on the agenda and achieve excellent results.
Honourable delegates,
The national assembly of each country, as its highest legislative body, has a mission and responsibility to realise democratic government. Democracy must be not only the basic ideal of state administration for championing people's right to independence, but also a common ideal of world politics for ensuring equality and cooperation among countries. the foreign policy of a state is the extension of its domestic policy. Therefore, making individual countries democratic is closely connected with the undertaking to make the international community democratic. The members of national assemblies who are working with devotion for the development of democratic government in their own countries should also contribute actively to making world politics democratic, and thus fulfill their resonsibilities and role as statesmen of the present age.
The Inter-Parliamentary Union, which was founded more than a century ago in order to realise the noble ideal of peace and cooperation, has contributed to safeguarding world peace and to developing friendship and cooperation among countries and peoples. With the development of the times and historical progress, the Inter-Parliamentary Union has assumed a heavier mission and greater responsibility in the international political arena.
Today, humanity finds itself at a turning point in historical progress. The old age of domination and subjugation that lasted for thousands of years has come to an end, and a new age is being ushered in, the new age when all countries and all nations shape their destiny independently. Mankind is now faced with the common task of strengthening the historical current and building a free and peaceful new world.
In order to build the new world aspired to by mankind, it is necessary to abolish the unequal old international order in all fields of politics, the economy and culture and establish an equitable new international order. There are large and small countries in the world, but there cannot be major and minor countries; there are developed nations and less developed nations, but there cannot be nations destined to dominate other nations or those destined to be dominated. All countries and nations are qual members of the international community and as such have the right to independence and equality. No privilege and no arbitrariness should be tolerated in international relations; friendship and cooperation among countries must be fully developed on the principles of mutual resect, non-interference in the affairs of other countries, equality and mutual benefit.
Peace is the common aspiration of humanity, and only when peace is ensured can the people create an independent new life. The wrong idea and policy of trampling upon the independence of other countries and other nations and of dominating others are the cause of the current threat to peace. In order to safeguard peace, all countries and nations must maintain independence, oppose poer politics, and develop a powerful joint international struggle to prevent aggression and war.
Disarmament and the abolition of nuclear weapons and other types of weapons of mass destruction is the most pressing task in ensuring peace. The large stockpile of nuclear weapons now on Earth is a menace to the survival of mankind itself. It is intolerable that the valuable results of science and technology created by mankind and social wealth be used for the production of the means of aggression and war that threaten man's survival, and not for the well-being and development of humanity. The testing and production of nuclear weapons must be banned, the number of existing nuclear weapons must be reduced and, then, nuclear weapons must be completely abolished.
The Korean people, who are constantly under the threat of nuclear weapons, have proposed the abolition of nuclear weapons as a vital matter relating to the destiny of the nation. We strongly assert that the Korean peninsula should be made a nuclear-free, peace zone. We strongly support the peace movement of the peoples of many countries for disarmament and for the creation of nuclear-free, peace zones.
Building a free and peaceful new world is the mature requirement of our times. Today, domination and subjugation, agression and war can benefit nobody; for the peoples of all countries to develop independently and live peacefully together is the correct way for humanity to take. Historical progress may suffer setbacks, but the forces of independence and peace will grow in strength as the days go by, and the just cause of creating a new world will triumph without fail.
The unity of the people throughout the world and cooperation among them are the guarantee for the victory of their common cause of creating a new world. The Inter-Parliamentary Union, the centre of international deliberation by independent national assemblies, must concern itself with making the international community democratic on the basis of independence and safeguarding world peace and security, and must contribute to promoting unity and cooperation among peoples. The ideas of independence, peace and friendship which our Republic consistently maintains in its international relations accord with the ideas advocated by the Inter-Parliamentary Union. In future our Republic will further strengthen its ties and cooperation with the Inter-Parliamentary Union and be faithful to mankind's common cause of creating a free and peaceful new world.
Delegates,
Today our people are working hard to build a genuine society for the people in which man's complete independence will be realised, and to achieve the independent and peaceful reunification of their country.
The political philosophy of our state is the Juche idea which requires that all consideration should be centred on man and that everything should be made to serve him. By fighting in single-hearted unity under the banner of the Juche idea our people have been able to build, even under the most difficult conditions and circumstances, man-centred socialism in which the people are the genuine masters of the society and everything in society serves them. the democratic character of our society finds clear expression in the fact that all the people, as the masters of the state, equally enjoy a sound and stable life in its material and cultural aspects, exercising completely equal political rights and that, on the basis of comradely love and obligation, they work together for a common goal and develop together, helping one another and leading one another forward.
Our people take great pride and self-confidence in their just cause; they will work to the end to build an ideal society for mankind in accordance with their own belief and by their own efforts.
Reunifying Korea is the vital requirement of our nation; it is an important question in international politics.
The Korean people are a homogenous nation that has lived on the same territory generation after generation, a nation celebrated for its long history and fine cultural traditions. There is no internal cause for our nation to live divided. Ours was not a defeated country in the Second World War; our people contributed to destroying fascism through their long-drawn-out national-liberation struggle. In spite of this, after the war our country was divided into north and south, contrary to the will of the Korean nation, and the nation is still divided. This is not only a source of untold misfortune and sufferingfor our nation bt also a cause of the unstable and dangerous situation in the Asian region. Both from the point of view of national independence and of the cause of peace in Asia and the rest of the world, the question of Korea's reunification requires an immediate settlement.
To this end we consistently maintain the three principles of independence, peaceful reunification and great national unity which the north and the south agreed upon and jointly declared; we hold that on these principles the country should be reunified by founding a confederacy based on one nation, one state, two systems and two governments. We consider that this conforms with the desire of the Korean nation to develop independently as one reunified nation and meets the requirement of the present era of independence and peace. We recognise that it is also the most feasible way of reunifying the country peacefully when different ideas and systems actually exist in the north and the south.
The desire of our nation for reunification has already become fused to surmount the barrier of division, and their belief that Korea is one has become unshakable. We will actively develop the dialogue between the north and the south in conformity with the mounting trend throughout the nation towards reunification, and will make every possible effort to remove all obstacles to reunification.
The statesmen of today who treasure justice and democracy in international politics cannot be indifferent to the misfortune and suffering of the peoples of other countries; they must cooperate to ensure the just settlement of international questions which affect the estiny of nations. We expect that the parlaiments and statesmen of all countries, not to mention the countries responsible for the Korean issue, will pay close attnetion to the matter of the reunification of our country and cooperate actively for the just settlement of this question.
You delegates are the distinguished guests of our people. Everywhere you go our people will receive you warmly and bid you a hearty welcome.
I hope that your stay in our country will be pleasant and useful and I wish you success in your honourable work.
Thank you.
Bron:
Kim Il Sung, For a free and peaceful new world Foreign Languages Publishing House, Pyongyang (1991)
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