Revolutie in Egypte #186: Onderhandelen met het leger

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Op dinsdag 22 februari 2011 21:17 schreef rakotto het volgende:
Naja, we zien wel.

En wat betreft het kabinet... Ook al is het tijdelijk, die criminelen moet je nooit vertrouwen.

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Now here is a summary for what came in this long episode :
During the early days of the revolution the army was torn between its loyalty to the commander of chief former president Mubarak and the people.
According to article no.188 from constitution of year 1971 that was active during the last weeks the army is owned by the people and thus the generals and the army chose our side.
The generals spoke about the corruption and the terrible Egypt suffered from during the Mubarak era yet they spoke about him with respect. Sometimes the President and sometimes the former president
The Egyptian judiciary is the official party we can talk with when it comes to the Mubaraks wealth. It is organized by law and constitution. According to our laws the Mubaraks wealth include his arrests , his wifes assets , his sons assets and their wives assets nothing about his grandchildrens assets though
The assets of the Mubaraks are frozen and according to the generals he has not presented his financial statement yet unlike what is claimed in the media.
Interrogating former President Mubarak is restricted by the constitution yet any member of his family can be interrogated freely according to the law.
The army is acting as if the constitution were a holy book in a very surprising way seriously either this is huge maturity comparing what happened in 1952, of course we should not forget that with the exclusion of Mohamed Naguib the Free officers were in the age of these generals sons
The army generals that they have only been in rule for 9 days and that they need time as slow justice is better than injustice.
The referendum will be with our national id there is not a big surprise here
The parliamentary and presidential elections will be with our national id to put an end for the long time electoral fraud.
There will be complete judiciary supervision on the elections.
The Egyptians abroad will not be able to participate in the coming referendum.
The obstacle with the voting right of the Egyptians abroad is that each Egyptian embassy and consulate will be considered as a voting station thus it will need a judge on every ballot box. The generals will search the matter with laws and constitutional experts I think we should continue raising this issue so the council we know we are so serious about it.
Former president Mubarak does not rule from Sharm, there is no spot in Sharm El-Sheikh.
Omar Soliman is not staying at Orooba Palace which is currently closed , he is staying at his home I think his home is actually a palace at the ministers compound in New Cairo
The council will investigate that photo of Mubarak hanged at the Republican guards HQ.
We have to trust Ahmed Shafik as PM , it is not about swearing in front of Mubarak as they have all become generals in time of Mubarak.
The new cabinet will not be the one that will supervise
The state security cant be disbanded but it will be restructured.
More and more icons of corruptions will be arrested by time. The world was not made in 2 hours.
The political detainees will be released after carefully revising their cases taking in consideration people were used to be arrested for fake charges.
They do not and will rule Egypt and they will not have a presidential candidate.
The 6 months period is calculated by the time needed to have these amendments in the constitutions.
The Muslim brotherhood members are Egyptians like anyone Egyptian.
There will be no parties based on religion.
The CEOs and Chief in editors of official newspapers and magazines should resign if they have dignity.
The army generals do not like what Heikal said about the air strike of Mubarak !!
Mona El-Shazly , Wael Al Abrashi and also Shady El-Ghazli Harb were not on the same levels of the important guest. El-Shazly and Al Abrashi kept interpreting the generals in a silly way. Harb said two remarks I believe deserve separate posts.
There were many positive remarks about the episodes and the generals on twitter despite there are demands that Shafik to step down and the state security to be disbanded.

Dr. ElBaradei commented on the interview specifically on the part about the right to vote of Egyptians abroad slamming the generals.
No Democracy without the right to vote , our Nobel prize winner said as simple and direct as that. Already the right to vote of Egyptians aboard was among the 7 demands the NAC headed by ElBaradei were calling for.
The armed forces council met with 3 delegations from Youth , the journalists and editor in chiefs and op-ed writers in Egyptian press. I do not think they have met with the political parties yet.
Now to my personal opinion I trust these generals good intentions but the thing they must understand that our generation , my generation or at least me ,I have a trust issue. I know that they have got a responsibility no one wishes for and I understand that these generals real job is not politics but they seem to know what we suffer from and they seem to know how to solve it.
I am happy that these generals showed that they are not living in the army bases and they are not like these generals of 1960s or 1950s.
The army issued Msg No. 9 at the Facebook right after the show with the following:
The council currently rules the country and it does not take order from anybody.
The republican guards are from the units of the army and they are currently at their barracks.
Sharm El-Sheikh is like any other Egyptian city , it has no privileges.
The Presidential palace at Orooba is closed.
The council is monitoring the matter

حريق هائل بجانب وزارة الداخلية الأربعاء 23-2-2011

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Secretary Clinton to Participate in an Online Dialogue with Egyptian Youth Hosted by Egyptian Online Portal Masrawy.com

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Op woensdag 23 februari 2011 13:30 schreef raistlin6 het volgende:
Oppositie Egypte roept op tot nieuw protest
De Moslim Broederschap en andere oppositiebewegingen hebben in Egypte opgeroepen tot een nieuwe massademonstratie tegen de regering op vrijdag. De bewegingen deden dat woensdag, op het moment dat het nieuwe kabinet zijn eerste bespreking hield.

De oppositiebewegingen eisen onder meer het aftreden van ministers die door de verdreven president Hosni Mubarak waren benoemd. In het nieuwe kabinet, dat dinsdag werd beëdigd, is weliswaar plek ingeruimd voor leden van de oppositie, maar niet op sleutelposten als Defensie, Binnenlandse Zaken, Buitenlandse Zaken, Financiën en Justitie. Die ministers bleven op hun post.

De oppositiebewegingen willen vrijdag een miljoen demonstranten mobiliseren op het Tahrir-plein, dat eerder werd bezet door betogers tegen Mubarak.

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Op donderdag 24 februari 2011 01:02 schreef Staal het volgende:
Misschien een heel domme vraag maar ik weet het antwoord niet.
Mensen vertellen mij dat de Moslimbroederschap eigenlijk te vergelijken is met het CDA, niet meer extreem is en weer anderen lijken te flippen van angst. Want Moslims en als het gaat om Libie zijn de opmerkingen grimmiger vanwege de verdeeldheid in dat land. Niet zo overzichtelijk als Egypte natuurlijk.

Vanuit het westen is er nogal wat angst. Is die angst terecht? Hoe denken jullie hier eigenlijk over?

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Op donderdag 24 februari 2011 01:02 schreef Staal het volgende:


Vanuit het westen is er nogal wat angst. Is die angst terecht? Hoe denken jullie hier eigenlijk over?

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Op dinsdag 22 februari 2011 22:14 schreef rakotto het volgende:

حسني مبارك وبن علي Baby One More Time !!!! Mobarak & Bin Ali

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Omar Suleiman, VP under Egypt's ousted Hosni Mubarak, survived an assassination attempt, foreign minister says - Al Hayaat TV via Reuters

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Op donderdag 24 februari 2011 12:17 schreef Frutsel het volgende:

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Op donderdag 24 februari 2011 12:35 schreef yavanna het volgende:

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Dat is misschien nog van voor de eind speech, toen werd dat ook gezegd.

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An assasination attempt was made on former Vice President Omar Suleiman during the Egyptian revolution, a few days after then-President Hosni Mubarak appointed him to the post, Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit said Wednesday.

Aboul Gheit, who witnessed the incident said that the attempt killed one of Suleiman's bodyguards and seriously injured his driver.

A barrage of fire coming from an ambulance was directed at Suleiman's car while he was on his way to the Presidential Palace in Heliopolis, according to Aboul Gheit, who said bullet holes covered the car.

Fox News reported on 4 February that Suleiman was targeted shortly after being named to his post, describing it as an organized attack on his motorcade. But Egyptian authorities denied the incident at the time.

Suleiman, who has run Egypt's intelligence for nearly two decades, was appointet vice president on 29 January in an effort to calm crowds calling for the fall of Mubarak's government.

There has been little news about Suleiman following his announcement of Mubarak's resignation and the delegation of authority to Armed Forces on 11 February, but Aboul Gheit's statement about the assassination attempt is an indication that Suleiman's authority has diminished.

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Ruling miliatary officials stormed the presidential residences in Heliopolis and Abdeen in Egypt's capital on Wednesday, putting the offices of the former president's chief of staff, Zakaria Azmi, under their custody.

The move, sources said, was made following reports that Azmi, with the help of his aides, had shredded tens of thousands of documents.

The same sources said Azmi took the action three days after President Hosni Mubarak left his Heliopolis home for his currrent residence in Sharm el-Sheikh.

Meanwhile, leaders at the governing Supreme Council of the Armed Forces said the presidential palace is under army control. But there have been numerous stories about Azmi's movements, and the contact he had with Mubarak until recently.

"Azmi paid several visits to Mubarak in Sharm el-Sheikh after the latter had stepped down as president," according to the sources. They said the former president's offices in both districts contain original copies of his declared and private decrees, as well as memos he received from state institutions and foreign countries.

Translated from the Ar

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Op donderdag 24 februari 2011 15:34 schreef Drifter__ het volgende:
Agent in Maadi(Cairo) heeft vanmiddag een microbus chauffeur doodgeschoten na een verkeersruzie.

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And meanwhile in Maadi at Algiers square a police office shot down a microbus driver after a verbal tirade over traffic priority. According to eye witnesses the driver told the officer at the end that he should remember how the people forced the made the cops stay at their homes for 3 days.
We made you stay at your homes for 3 days.
Next thing the police officer pulled his gun and shot the driver 3 times , the driver was killed as simple as that. The people attacked the police officer and burned his police car. The army came and saved officer who was transferred in to hospital. People have been protesting since then , it is a bit chaotic. There is a news that the people are attacking the police station there.

The police car on Fire "Tarek Amr"

I do not know if that the police officer or the driver but I think based on what I know it could be the police officer because he was saved from the angry people by the army while he was on its top. The people seemed to be hostile to that person in this video.
The police officer is alive unlike what was claimed earlier. It turned out that his name is Salah Ashraf El-Saginy and he is the son of infamous officer "Ashraf El-Saginy" who is known for his torture and human rights abuse record during the time of Hassan Al Alfy and Habib Al Adly. "You know what is said about the apple and the tree after all !!"
The friends and family of the late driver said that they will head to Tahrir square
The last thing I got from twitter friends in Maadi that the youth are calling for a sit in at the Algiers square.The police officers have left their positions again and the Youth are currently organizing the traffic. There are protests currently , big protests in front of El-Saginy's house and as well the Sakr Qoraish police station.
Nothing justify this murder , it is a murder by all measure. I will not listen to any justification for any kind because a person was killed. The police force need rehabilitation with courses in anger management. We are waiting for the reaction of the minister of interior on this murder.
I think the police is not ready yet to face the public because honestly they have not admitted a crime that they deserved to stand for in front of a military trial. We will not forgive or forget that easily and we will not buy the cheap talk of the police martyrs some of them actually were actually killed by their bothers in arm like late General Batran , we will not buy the cheap talk of good cop and bad cop , we will not buy
We want a full complete confession of being responsible for those 500 Egyptians killed according to and those thousands injured. We want a full complete confession that what happened from leaving positions for days even at our borders in Sinai was a crime.

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Op donderdag 24 februari 2011 15:52 schreef Dekatria het volgende:

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Dan verbaast het me ook niets dat je de woede van alle omstanders op de hals haalt, zeker gezien de rol van de politie in de revolutie.

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Op donderdag 24 februari 2011 02:08 schreef Drifter__ het volgende:

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Ik kan mij nog herinneren dat de Egyptische tak van de MB, zich distantieerde van het geweld, dat Al-Qaeda gebruikt en ook hadden ze de aanslagen van 9-11 veroordeeld. Dat zegt al vrij veel over de MB in Egypte. Ook hebben ze meegedeeld, dat ze geen presidentiële kandidaat naar voren zullen schuiven.

De angst is er, omdat mensen de MB gelijk associëren met Hamas/Al Qaeda/Taliban en andere extreme groeperingen. Ik denk trouwens, dat je ze beter kan vergelijken met de SGP dan met het CDA.

Dat ze een flink aantal zetels gaan behalen, is wel vast en zeker.

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Op donderdag 24 februari 2011 21:05 schreef Daniel1976 het volgende:

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Het zijn soenieten daar en die zijn nogal gematigd. Dat wil niet zeggen dat er geen islam elementen in de wet kunnen komen. Maarja wij zitten hier ook mooi te kijken met gristelijke elementen in onze wet waar ik niet blij van wordt. Als het meerdendeel van de egyptenaren dat dan wil, waarom niet, het is hun land. Ik denk alleen niet dat ze snel extreem worden. Dat wil overigens ook weer niet zeggen dat er geen extreme elementen in egypte aanwezig zijn. Maar de overgrote meerderheid is veelste vrij (ook tijdens mubarak) voor een streng islamitische staat.

Die mensen hebben recht om te leven zoals zij willen.

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Op vrijdag 25 februari 2011 12:35 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:
http://www.nu.nl/politiek/2454897/met-islam-blijft-elke-democratie-fake.html

Wilders, blablabla

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http://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/(...)ntatief-voor-egypte/ Wilders: betogers Tahrirplein niet representatief voor Egypte
door Bart Hinke
Buitenland
Geert Wilders waarschuwt vandaag voor
de enorme gevaren die de val van regimes in de Arabische wereld met zich meebrengt. Het is de vraag of die niet worden onderschat, zegt hij in een interview met nu.nl.

De betogers die twee weken geleden in Egypte het aftreden van Hosni Mubarak afdwongen, acht hij niet representatief voor de gemiddelde Egyptenaar. Laat je niet voor de gek houden, zegt de PVV-leider.

Al die mensen die je op het Tahrirplein voor de cameras van Al Jazeera zag, zaten om de hoek op school op de American University. Dat is dus niet de gemiddelde Egyptenaar. Mensen denken altijd dat wat je ziet, dat dat het is.

Hij verwijst naar een onderzoek van het Amerikaanse Pew Research Center.

Pin me niet vast op de cijfers, maar daaruit blijkt dat 90 procent van de Egyptenaren vindt dat overspelige vrouwen mogen worden gestenigd. 80 procent vindt dat afvalligen mogen worden gedood.

Vergelijkbare zorgen heeft Wilders momenteel bij de ontwikkelingen in Libië, vooral rond de plaats Benghazi in het oosten. De oppositionele krachten hebben daar nu al een week de macht overgenomen van het regime van Gaddafi.

Dat zijn strongholds van islamisten. Het is allemaal een dubbeltje op zijn kant. Het kan net zo goed erg of nog erger worden.

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Op vrijdag 25 februari 2011 12:35 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:
http://www.nu.nl/politiek/2454897/met-islam-blijft-elke-democratie-fake.html

Wilders, blablabla

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Op vrijdag 25 februari 2011 12:44 schreef Eyjafjallajoekull het volgende:
Ranzig weer dat Wilders al die onrusten gebruikt om zichtzelf weer eens in de schijnwerpers te zetten

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Op vrijdag 25 februari 2011 12:44 schreef Eyjafjallajoekull het volgende:
Ranzig weer dat Wilders al die onrusten gebruikt om zichtzelf weer eens in de schijnwerpers te zetten