Revolutie in Egypte #186: Onderhandelen met het leger

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Op dinsdag 22 februari 2011 21:17 schreef rakotto het volgende:
Naja, we zien wel.

En wat betreft het kabinet... Ook al is het tijdelijk, die criminelen moet je nooit vertrouwen.

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Now here is a summary for what came in this long episode :
During the early days of the revolution the army was torn between its loyalty to the commander of chief former president Mubarak and the people.
According to article no.188 from constitution of year 1971 that was active during the last weeks the army is owned by the people and thus the generals and the army chose our side.
The generals spoke about the corruption and the terrible Egypt suffered from during the Mubarak era yet they spoke about him with respect. Sometimes the President and sometimes the former president
The Egyptian judiciary is the official party we can talk with when it comes to the Mubaraks wealth. It is organized by law and constitution. According to our laws the Mubaraks wealth include his arrests , his wifes assets , his sons assets and their wives assets nothing about his grandchildrens assets though
The assets of the Mubaraks are frozen and according to the generals he has not presented his financial statement yet unlike what is claimed in the media.
Interrogating former President Mubarak is restricted by the constitution yet any member of his family can be interrogated freely according to the law.
The army is acting as if the constitution were a holy book in a very surprising way seriously either this is huge maturity comparing what happened in 1952, of course we should not forget that with the exclusion of Mohamed Naguib the Free officers were in the age of these generals sons
The army generals that they have only been in rule for 9 days and that they need time as slow justice is better than injustice.
The referendum will be with our national id there is not a big surprise here
The parliamentary and presidential elections will be with our national id to put an end for the long time electoral fraud.
There will be complete judiciary supervision on the elections.
The Egyptians abroad will not be able to participate in the coming referendum.
The obstacle with the voting right of the Egyptians abroad is that each Egyptian embassy and consulate will be considered as a voting station thus it will need a judge on every ballot box. The generals will search the matter with laws and constitutional experts I think we should continue raising this issue so the council we know we are so serious about it.
Former president Mubarak does not rule from Sharm, there is no spot in Sharm El-Sheikh.
Omar Soliman is not staying at Orooba Palace which is currently closed , he is staying at his home I think his home is actually a palace at the ministers compound in New Cairo
The council will investigate that photo of Mubarak hanged at the Republican guards HQ.
We have to trust Ahmed Shafik as PM , it is not about swearing in front of Mubarak as they have all become generals in time of Mubarak.
The new cabinet will not be the one that will supervise
The state security cant be disbanded but it will be restructured.
More and more icons of corruptions will be arrested by time. The world was not made in 2 hours.
The political detainees will be released after carefully revising their cases taking in consideration people were used to be arrested for fake charges.
They do not and will rule Egypt and they will not have a presidential candidate.
The 6 months period is calculated by the time needed to have these amendments in the constitutions.
The Muslim brotherhood members are Egyptians like anyone Egyptian.
There will be no parties based on religion.
The CEOs and Chief in editors of official newspapers and magazines should resign if they have dignity.
The army generals do not like what Heikal said about the air strike of Mubarak !!
Mona El-Shazly , Wael Al Abrashi and also Shady El-Ghazli Harb were not on the same levels of the important guest. El-Shazly and Al Abrashi kept interpreting the generals in a silly way. Harb said two remarks I believe deserve separate posts.
There were many positive remarks about the episodes and the generals on twitter despite there are demands that Shafik to step down and the state security to be disbanded.

Dr. ElBaradei commented on the interview specifically on the part about the right to vote of Egyptians abroad slamming the generals.
No Democracy without the right to vote , our Nobel prize winner said as simple and direct as that. Already the right to vote of Egyptians aboard was among the 7 demands the NAC headed by ElBaradei were calling for.
The armed forces council met with 3 delegations from Youth , the journalists and editor in chiefs and op-ed writers in Egyptian press. I do not think they have met with the political parties yet.
Now to my personal opinion I trust these generals good intentions but the thing they must understand that our generation , my generation or at least me ,I have a trust issue. I know that they have got a responsibility no one wishes for and I understand that these generals real job is not politics but they seem to know what we suffer from and they seem to know how to solve it.
I am happy that these generals showed that they are not living in the army bases and they are not like these generals of 1960s or 1950s.
The army issued Msg No. 9 at the Facebook right after the show with the following:
The council currently rules the country and it does not take order from anybody.
The republican guards are from the units of the army and they are currently at their barracks.
Sharm El-Sheikh is like any other Egyptian city , it has no privileges.
The Presidential palace at Orooba is closed.
The council is monitoring the matter

حريق هائل بجانب وزارة الداخلية الأربعاء 23-2-2011

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Secretary Clinton to Participate in an Online Dialogue with Egyptian Youth Hosted by Egyptian Online Portal Masrawy.com

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Op woensdag 23 februari 2011 13:30 schreef raistlin6 het volgende:
Oppositie Egypte roept op tot nieuw protest
De Moslim Broederschap en andere oppositiebewegingen hebben in Egypte opgeroepen tot een nieuwe massademonstratie tegen de regering op vrijdag. De bewegingen deden dat woensdag, op het moment dat het nieuwe kabinet zijn eerste bespreking hield.

De oppositiebewegingen eisen onder meer het aftreden van ministers die door de verdreven president Hosni Mubarak waren benoemd. In het nieuwe kabinet, dat dinsdag werd beëdigd, is weliswaar plek ingeruimd voor leden van de oppositie, maar niet op sleutelposten als Defensie, Binnenlandse Zaken, Buitenlandse Zaken, Financiën en Justitie. Die ministers bleven op hun post.

De oppositiebewegingen willen vrijdag een miljoen demonstranten mobiliseren op het Tahrir-plein, dat eerder werd bezet door betogers tegen Mubarak.

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Op donderdag 24 februari 2011 01:02 schreef Staal het volgende:
Misschien een heel domme vraag maar ik weet het antwoord niet.
Mensen vertellen mij dat de Moslimbroederschap eigenlijk te vergelijken is met het CDA, niet meer extreem is en weer anderen lijken te flippen van angst. Want Moslims en als het gaat om Libie zijn de opmerkingen grimmiger vanwege de verdeeldheid in dat land. Niet zo overzichtelijk als Egypte natuurlijk.

Vanuit het westen is er nogal wat angst. Is die angst terecht? Hoe denken jullie hier eigenlijk over?

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Op donderdag 24 februari 2011 01:02 schreef Staal het volgende:


Vanuit het westen is er nogal wat angst. Is die angst terecht? Hoe denken jullie hier eigenlijk over?

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Op dinsdag 22 februari 2011 22:14 schreef rakotto het volgende:

حسني مبارك وبن علي Baby One More Time !!!! Mobarak & Bin Ali

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Omar Suleiman, VP under Egypt's ousted Hosni Mubarak, survived an assassination attempt, foreign minister says - Al Hayaat TV via Reuters

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Op donderdag 24 februari 2011 12:17 schreef Frutsel het volgende:

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