9/11 #39 de media hoax van de eeuw.

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Op maandag 24 januari 2011 23:01 schreef Terecht het volgende:

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Wat toont dat aan?

Dat als op zichzelf staand feit, zegt natuurlijk niets. Echter de reddingsvesten op het dak van het Bankers Trust gebouw, de rode bandana's op de crash locatie in Shanksville, Het vliegtuigwiel en de motor in de straten van New York, het ontbreken van de FDR's bij zowel WTC 1 als 2, de kapers gewapend met plastic- en stanley messen tegenover een veelvoud van passagiers... etc etc etc.

Het is niets anders dan een gefabriceerd verhaal. Maar goed... ik jump ff onder de douche.

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Op maandag 24 januari 2011 23:21 schreef Terecht het volgende:
Nou ja, volgens mij gaat de redenering over dat paspoort als volgt: het is net iets te toevallig en te onwaarschijnlijk dat het paspoort van uitgerekend een kaper de vliegtuiginslag overleefd zou hebben en voor het oprapen lag op straat, ergo: het is daar neergeplant. De implicaties van deze redenering zijn echter niet mals:

- Degene die kennelijk het paspoort ergens voor het oprapen heeft neergelegd moet dus tot in detail op de hoogte zijn geweest. Hoe kwam hij aan die kennis en wie heeft hem daarbij geholpen?

Wie zegt dat het paspoort daar echt gelegen heeft? Het is een van de vele "bewijzen" die men aanvoert om het verhaal van de kapers zoveel mogelijk kracht bij te staan. Vaak tot het belachelijke aan toe.

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- Het argument suggereert dat er kennelijk niet voldoende aanknopingspunten waren voor de media om mogelijke daders aan te wijzen, dit terwijl er al heel snel naar buiten kwam dat er opnames vanuit de cockpit waren opgevangen, er telefoongesprekken vanuit de gekaapte vluchten zijn gevoerd die melding maakten van een kaping, de kapers op beveiligingscamera's van ik dacht verscheidene vliegvelden te zien zijn, etc.

Een paar vage silhouetten van mannen op beveiligingscamera's van de douane zeggen ook zo veel. Net als de telefoongesprekken, die later pas aan het licht kwamen. Weinig "tastbaar" bewijs. Een paspoort van zo'n terrorist komt dan natuurlijk best van pas om het verhaal kracht bij te staan en de boemannen een (Arabisch/Noord-Afrikaans) gezicht te geven...

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De vraag is dus: wat heeft men met het neerplanten van het paspoort bereikt dat men anders niet bereikt zou hebben? Wat rechtvaardigt die inspanning en het risico? Volgens mij niets, het is imo een heilloos argument.

Zie hier boven.

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Op maandag 24 januari 2011 23:37 schreef Terecht het volgende:

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Het is opmerkelijk maar niet meer dan dat imo. Het paspoort heeft overigens wrs alleen de crash en bijbehorende vuurbal moeten doorstaan, niet de brand in het gebouw die erop volgde. Naast dat paspoort lagen de straten overigens bezaaid met papier en andere brokstukken, dus dát er zaken het hebben overleefd mag op zich geen verbazing heten.

a met een streepje wordt á? Ja dus.

Buiten dat... het paspoort, de bandana's, het wiel, de motor en de zwemvesten ondersteunen het verhaal dat er vliegtuigen zijn gebruikt.

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Op maandag 24 januari 2011 23:54 schreef Terecht het volgende:

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Ja, maar ook op die manier wordt het complot al vrij gauw vrij omvangrijk, hè. Als ik het me goed herrinner werd dat paspoort op dezelfde dag of de dag erna nog op televisie getoond door degene die het zogenaamd gevonden zou hebben, net zoals (kennisen van) nabestaanden die dag of de dag erop vertelden dat er gebeld is vanuit de gekaapte vluchten, etc. Precies weet ik het niet, maar het argument gaat er volgens mij een beetje vanuit dat het paspoort tijdens/vlak na de aanslagen het enige tastbare bewijsstuk zou zijn dat de daders een 'gezicht' zou geven. Volgens mij is dat niet waar. Als het niet waar is is het imo zinloos een plan op touw te zetten het paspoort in de media te tonen; als het wél waar is is imo het alsnog zinloos, informatie dat er kapers waren werd nl al spoedig kenbaar. Op de beveiligingscamera's zijn de kapers trouwens goed te herkennen.

Dat valt mee. De media heb je nodig. Ik zie niet in wat er zo omvangrijk is aan het verhaal de wereld in helpen dat er een paspoort is gevonden. Verder lijkt het me vreemd als de persoon die het gevonden heeft de volgende dag of dezelfde dag nog dat paspoort op TV kan tonen. Zou het niet eerder geconfisqueerd worden? Buiten dat denk ik dat de boel gestaged is, dus ook die zogenaamde familie en of kennissen.

Het nut van het paspoort.. tja, daar kun je alleen maar naar gissen. Mogelijk bood het ondersteuning voor de nationaliteit van de vermeende kaper(s).

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Ja, maar daar geloof jij toch niet in? Oftewel: al die bewijsstukken zijn op de één of andere manier gekunsteld?

Ik geloof inderdaad niet meer dat er vliegtuigen zijn gebruikt. Al die bewijsstukken zijn imho fake inderdaad. Een foto van een stukje vliegtuig is natuurlijk makkelijk creëren als je de middelen hebt.

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Op dinsdag 25 januari 2011 00:22 schreef Bill_E het volgende:
ik ben er niet van overtuigd dat er geen vliegtuigen waren, dit gaat me wat te ver.
Maar wat ik me ineens afvraag, welke bedrijven zaten er op de verdiepingen waar de " vliegtuigen" insloegen, tenslotte moet er op die verdiepingen het een en ander achter de schermen voorbereid zijn voor de explosie, of voor het wegschieten van puin.

Ene wat ik me ook afvraag, hoe kwamen de grotere bewijs matrialen op die plaats? Wiel en motoren enzo. Die leg je niet even snel onopgemerkt neer. Een paspoort wel.

Alstu:

World Trade Center Occupancy FOIA * 1972-2001
by; Dave Cole, Larry McWilliams & Phil Jayhan

NEW FREEDOM OF INFORMATION REQUEST PRESS RELEASE!

_{*** With no budget for advertising, we are asking all of you to spread this link with as many people as possible! Please put this story up on your websites and blogs! Please make this go viral ASAP! We are already 9 years behind the 8 ball here.}

The following link is to a spreadsheet that the Lets Roll Forums obtained through a FOIA request made by Dave Cole. What we requested from the Port Authority of New York New Jersey was in essence a surprise occupancy audit of the World Trade Center. What we requested;

1. A complete listing of all occupants of the world trade center, from the time they were finished to the time they went private, in 2001.

2. Listing of occupants by floor and by space

3. Listing of occupants leases, with the start and end dates of those leases.

What we received back was shocking and in no way anticipated. Please open this spreadsheet now in another browser tab, so you can have this open and go back and forth as your reading this story. (right click, open link in new tab)

LETS ROLL PRESS RELEASE: World Trade Center Occupancy FOIA * 1972-2001

_{*** We make no claims other then these below. Another FOIA will be sent within the next few days, at which time we will then audit this list that we received against the new FOIA request for the same thing.}

NORTH TOWER - WTC 1

LANDMARK EDUCATION CORPORATION

You might be surprised to discover that floor 7 of the North World Trade Center went completely unoccupied throughout the entire life of the building and was only rented out for the first time on 11/23/1998.

Floor 7 was the floor directly above the lobby of each tower, in essence, it is floor #1, from street level. Floor 7 was prime real estate, as the rent was more expensive in the towers as you went higher. The prestige value. Thus floor 7 was far cheaper then floor 89.

For 26 years, floor 7 of the North Tower was totally vacant. From 1972 until 1998. This also means that during the 1993 bombing that this floor was completely unoccupied. Larry will touch on this in a follow up post as he spent dozens and dozens of hours scouring these sheets with regards to the 1993 bombing vs. occupancy, and it is a top notch story all in it's own.

This long streak of unoccupancy for floor 7 would come to a halt on November 23, 1998, when LANDMARK EDUCATION CORPORATION moved into suite #118. We were told through various sources that the world trade center had occupancy issues through the years, and suppose this highlights that issue. In summary floor #7 was unoccupied for 26 years, and not a single time in those 26 years did one of the elevators crack open on that floor, except for maintenance. Imagine the very first floor above the lobby as you walk into those magnificent buildings having cold bare unfinished floors for 26 years. No lights, no activity whatsoever. A dead floor.

BANK OF AMERICA CORP

Sometimes when things are just so bad, a billionaire needs to step in to save the day. Word must have finally reached David Rockefeller in 1993 that his precious Twins were repulsive real estate that apparently no one wanted, so he had his Bank, BANK OF AMERICA CORP. move into floors 9 & 10 of the North Tower in October and December of 1993, some 21 years after the WTC completion ceremonies. (lines 4 & 5 on the spreadsheet)

Floor 9, Suite 901 - 10/8/1993
Floor 10, Suite 1001 - 12/5/1993

_{**The World Trade Center bombing happened on February 26, 1993 for your information.}

So lets recap here for a moment. The North Tower (think antenna, as it is the tower with the antenna) The North Tower, floor 7, went totally unoccupied until November of 1998, 26 years of vacancy.

While floors 9-10 went totally unoccupied until late 1993, some 21 years of total vacancy, this bad spell of hard WTC luck would finally be broken by a merciful billionaire who we are told moved some of his Bank of America offices into the world trade center.

This also means that for 28 years the elevators never once stopped at floor 7 of the world trade center, and the same goes for floors 9 and 10 until late 1993. These would have been closed floors and the elevators couldn't have even stopped, being electronically locked out. If I don't have your attention by now, it only gets better, just give it a little more time.

Floor 11 of the North Tower went totally unoccupied until 1993, when David Rockefeller would step in again to save the day and pave the way by moving yet more Bank of America offices into the north tower. (line 11 of the WTC FOIA occupancy sheet) Please see lines 6 through 15 to see the other corporations we are told that followed David Rockefeller's charge. 8 other companies total we are told.

We are also starting to see another pattern here, something which Larry researched and made known and will also be following up this post with. So far, during the 1993 bombing, floors 7-9-10 & 11 are unoccupied.

ALL ABOARD! Next stop - Floor 12

The elevators never stopped at floor 12 of the north tower until David Rockefeller stepped in yet again to save the day on 9/13/1993, again, after the 1993 bombing. Bank of America would be the only alleged occupant of floor 12 during the entire life of the structure. Floor 12 went totally unoccupied for 21 years. (Reference line 16 of Occupancy FOIA)

So now, at the time of the 1993 bombing, floors 7-9-10-11 & 12 were totally unoccupied. Are you wondering how long this pattern will continue?

Nobody likes being on floor 13, the unlucky floor. And it wasn't any different at world trade north tower 1. David Rockefeller would step in to save the day yet again by moving more of his corporate offices into wtc 1, floor 13, on 4/8/1994.

And also into floor 14 on 10/7/1994. Both floors 13 and 14 went totally unoccupied and vacant until 4/8/1994, the elevators never stopping there until then, we are to presume. Also after the 1993 bombing. So far we have floors 7-9-10-11-12-13 & 14 totally unoccupied at the time of the 1993 wtc bombing. And for the better part of the life of the towers as well.

SANDLER ONEILL & PARTNERS

Now that I whet your appetite, and set Larry up for his following story, lets press the elevator and go back down to the lobby and stroll on over to the South Tower and take a ride up to the top this time, stopping at floors 104, where we were told AON Corp and Sandler Oneill & Partners had offices. Please scroll down to line 906 and 907 on the Occupancy FOIA.

Whats missing from this FOIA occupancy sheet? If your looking at lines 906 and 907, you should be seeing the name Sandler Oneill & Partners. Yet they are not listed. We requested in this FOIA all occupants of the world trade center, from the time they went up to the time they became private, 6 weeks prior to 9/11. Sandler Oneill & Partners are strangely absent from the list of occupants that had leases. They never had a lease. Go ahead and scour those sheets, feel free, you will not find them. The problem this raises immediately is how did 66 of their 171 employee's perish in a buiding that they never held a lease at during the entire life of the building?

Larry discovered this. And this is the most singular significant discovery in this FOIA. A Corporation alleged to have lost 66 of its 171 employee's that never had a lease with the NYPANJ.

The average payout from the victims compensation fund (VCF) was roughly 2 million dollars. This means at minimum Sandler Oneill and Partners "employee's" received roughly 132 million dollars from the government VCF.

And probably a whole lot more because the average payout of the VCF was 2 million. This means some were much higher, and some much lower. The higher paid executives received more compensation the way the fund was set up. The more they made, the more their family, in theory would receive.

The strangeness certainly doesn't end there for floor 104, WTC 1. We find on the Occupancy FOIA a corporation which isn't listed in most, if any of the other official lists made public through the years, at wiki and such.

SHEARSON/LEHMAN BROS

SHEARSON/LEHMAN BROS - Ring a bell anyone?

• Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. (former NYSE ticker symbol LEH) (pronounced /ˈliːmən/) was a global financial services firm which, until declaring bankruptcy in 2008,
• The filing marked the largest bankruptcy in U.S. history.[3] The following day, Barclays announced its agreement to purchase
• Shearson Lehman Brothers See also: Lehman Brothers. In 1984, American Express acquired the investment banking and trading firm, Lehman Brothers Kuhn Loeb, and added it to the Shearson family, creating Shearson Lehman/American Express.
• Lehman Brothers Kuhn Loeb, which itself was the merger of Lehman Brothers and Kuhn Loeb in 1977 was led by Pete Peterson, a former United States Secretary of Commerce and future founder of the Blackstone Group.

Many people are not aware that there was other emergency relief funds set up by the government after 911 besides the victims compensation fund. (VCF) The victim compensation fund was 7 billion dollars. There was also another much larger fund called the Business Compensation Fund. (BCF)

There is probably good reason that you weren't aware of this fund. And that's because of its sheer size. 38.4 billion dollars was set aside for WTC corporations by government and insurance companies. This makes the total combined worth of both government funds to be roughly 46 billion dollars. The largest recipients of these funds were of course, investment Bankers. It was a pre-cursor to the leave no bank behind act Bush and Obama would later set up. And went to many of the same corporations.

The mystery here with Shearson/Lehman of course is why they are not listed on most, or possibly any of the public lists that were peddled to us after 9/11 yet listed on this Occupancy FOIA?

See note below. Sandler Oneill is listed at wiki. To see the link it is below picture.


NOTE: Sandler Oneill and Partners are listed here at Wiki, though they are absent from the above picture.

AON RISK SERVICES, INC.
South Tower - (No antenna) WTC 2

According the Occupancy FOIA, AON Corp occupied 8 floors total in WTC 2, South Tower. 98-105 (please reference lines 895 to 909 of the occupancy FOIA) AON shared only floors 101 - 105 with Shearson/Lehman, with Shearson/Lehman alleged to have also occupied floor 106 by itself.

Now for another jaw dropping eye opener; Lets dissect this Occupancy FOIA a different way now. Lets look at some of the high upper floors and see when the first time this prime NY office space was leased;


WTC 1 - North Tower - FIRST TIME OCCUPANTS & DATES:

Floor 86: FOIA line #514 - WORLD TELEPORT ASSOCIATION - 7/1/1998
Floor 87: FOIA line #521 - LT LAWRENCE & CO.,INC. - 1/15/1998
Floor 88: FOIA line #526 - P.A.(WORLD TRADE CENTER) - 8/1/1999
Floor 89: FOIA line #535 - CIIC GROUP (U.S.A.) LTD. - 2/17/1994
Floor 90: FOIA line #551 - CHUGOKU BANK, LTD. - 9/1/1991
Floor 91: FOIA line #561 - NEW JAPAN SECURITIES RESEARCH - 6/1/1990
Floor 92: FOIA line #567 - CARR FUTURES, INC. - 2/1/1998
Floor 93: FOIA line #568 - FRED ALGER MANAGEMENT, INC. - 6/1/1998
Floor 94: FOIA line #570 - J&H MARSH & MCLENNAN, INC. - 9/1/1998
Floor 95: FOIA line #571 - J&H MARSH & MCLENNAN, INC. - 9/1/1998
Floor 96: FOIA line #572 - J&H MARSH & MCLENNAN, INC. - 9/1/1998
Floor 97: FOIA line #573 - J&H MARSH & MCLENNAN, INC. - 11/1/1998
Floor 98: FOIA line #574 - J&H MARSH & MCLENNAN, INC. - 11/1/1998
Floor 99: FOIA line #575 - J&H MARSH & MCLENNAN, INC. - 11/1/1998
Floor 100: FOIA line #576 - J&H MARSH & MCLENNAN, INC. - 11/1/1998
Floor 101: FOIA line #577 - CANTOR FITZGERALD SECURITIES - 9/1/1997
Floor 102: FOIA line #578 - LOWER MANHA CULTURAL COUNC - 9/1/1997
Floor 103: FOIA line #579 - CANTOR FITZGERALD SECURITIES - 9/1/1997
Floor 104: FOIA line #580 - CANTOR FITZGERALD SECURITIES - 9/1/1997
Floor 105: FOIA line #581 - CANTOR FITZGERALD SECURITIES - 4/1/1979
Floor 106: FOIA line #597 - WINDOWS ON THE WORLD - 12/15/1994
Floor 107: FOIA line #598 - WINDOWS ON THE WORLD - 10/1/1999
_{This same cross section from the South Tower will be added to the story tomorrow.}

Occupancy Issues:

What this shows us is something far different then we were told and sold. We have been told through various sources that their were occupancy issues with the twins and that they also had their highest occupancy at the time of the attacks, which we are told was at 95% occupancy.

We were never informed that the most prime real estate in New York City, in both Towers, never leased until a year or two before 9/11, in most cases. Why? Because it would have been extremely suspicious to people, especially since all of the controversy the PTB knew would be after 9/11.

Had they told us this, we would have started investigating the companies at the WTC and questioning their alleged employee losses a lot sooner then 9 years out.

LAST MINUTE LEASING & STACKING OF WTC DECK

How is it possible, especially considering what happened with the world trade center, to see that all of the upper floors were leased only a few years prior to 9/11? That's an incredible expanse of time, 26 years in most case, some 28 years, where for instance floor 88 had bare floors and no tenants until 1999. The elevators in the north tower never stopped at floor 88 until mid 1999. Might I ask at this time how it is possible that any lights were ever on on floor 88 before 1999? The entire tops of these towers should have been darkened at night between the years 1972 and 1997-98.

There were no tenants. No tenants means no lights and dark floors, both during the day and at night, as lights in the WTC were visible in both daytime and night.

This has all the appearances that the companies were moved into the towers at the very end for the very purpose of 9/11. Either in reality or on paper. These towers were nearly unoccupied for their entire life, and then miraculously found a 95% occupancy heart beat on in 2001, just prior to 9/11.


PARADIGM CHANGER:

This is one of those paradigm changers. What you know of the world trade center is a legend that was created and manufactured for your consumption. Any of the documentaries that were created prior to 9/11, about the world trade center, were created by the "builders" of the WTC, and made to create and sell a manufactured legend. The legend was that there were 50,000 people who worked in these towers by and large, for the better part of their life, as they were designed and built for. AS you have just seen, this isn't even remotely close to being true.

Between Dave Cole, (kawika) Larry McWilliams and myself, we have spent hundreds of hours studying this occupancy FOIA request over the last 6 months or so, and we haven't even scratched the surface yet. We would like to request that all of you as a group take lots of time studying this so that collectively we miss nothing. This FOIA is a goldmine. It's the gift that keeps on giving, a mine that never runs dry. We believe that we have given you an accurate overview of the material so that you will know and be able to scour the spreadsheet as we did and know how to spot things. We need all of your help.

To say that there were occupancy issues is a gross understatement. The official story seems more then just a little bit hollow.

Cheers-
Phil Jayhan, Dave Cole & Larry McWilliams

Note: This story is the result of the FOIA we obtained and many months of research and thoughtful dissection of the material with many phone calls and off the charts collaboration.

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Op dinsdag 25 januari 2011 00:32 schreef oompaloompa het volgende:
waarom zou je zoiets stagen als je ook gewoon 20 fanatici in kunt huren om een aantal vliegtuigen het wtc binnen te vliegen? Goekoper, veiliger en gemakkelijker....

Het is echt veel makkelijker om 20 fanatici te vinden die zichzelf willen opofferen en daarbij ook nog eens capabel genoeg zijn om dergelijke zelfmoordacties te laten slagen. Je hebt een paar piloten nodig die onder de meest bizarre omstandigheden en de grootste spanning zeer moeilijke manouvres met passagiersvliegtuigen kunnen maken en daarbij gewetenloos zichzelf én honderden mensen mee de dood in slepen. Sim-pel.. gewoon een advertentie op marktplaats en je hebt zo 500 aanmeldingen. Om nog maar te zwijgen over de kans dat e.e.a. nou net even niet gaat zoals gepland.

Ook is het een eitje om mensen te vinden die op de hoogte zijn van deze massamoord en daar zonder gewetenswroeging aan mee willen werken.

EDIT: Ik zou iedereen hier willen adviseren om mijn vorige post eens grondig door te lezen. Lijkt me apart als je hierna nog steeds beweert dat de torens succesvol waren. Dubieuze shizzle is going on...

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Op dinsdag 25 januari 2011 01:02 schreef Bill_E het volgende:
Kort door de bocht : Marsh USA en Fuji Bank dus. Bedankt voor de links, nooit naar gekeken dat die lijst zo
gedetailleerd was.

Fuji Bank is niet een Amerikaans bedrijf. De enigste link met Amerika is vanuit ww2.
Dit bedrijf zat dan ook in het complot?

Graag gedaan

Ik denk dat je er vanuit kunt gaan dat Fuji Bank er bij betrokken was ja. Het was het feestje van de corporates.