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  maandag 6 december 2010 @ 21:39:43 #201
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1s.gif Op maandag 6 december 2010 20:42 schreef DarthHouse het volgende:

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En deze zelfde man....die "misschien" wel achter diverse coverups zit....is misschien wel bang voor de 'echte' waarheid!...die via het www wel eens naar boven zou kunnen komen O-)
Maar als er al zoveel smokescreens zijn opgetrokken en zoveel zogenaamde schandalen bestaan.. waar zouden we dan nog van opkijken of zien als waarheid?
Alles is een hype, hooguit een week in het nieuws, waait over, daar is de politiek op gebaseerd.
The truth was in here.
  maandag 6 december 2010 @ 23:19:12 #202
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debunk the debunkers !
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okay dan zou assange gewoon gebruikt zijn door een geheime dienst om te lekken., of hij is zelf gerecutreerd .

erover discuseren is mooi, maar helaas zoals zoveel dingen kom je er toch niet uit.

zoals richard c. hoagland mooi zegt : the lie is different at every level , oftewel alleen de bovenste laag weet precies wat er gaande is . de rest wordt voor zijn karretje gespannen en weet misschien niet eens wat het hoofddoel is .
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1s.gif Op maandag 6 december 2010 13:40 schreef Terecht het volgende:

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Dan werpt zich de vraag op of jouw standpunt ook niet vanuit psychologisch oogpunt verklaard moet worden.
Mijn eerdere post bevat ook vragen btw, en meerdere standpunten, maar...
Indien jou vraag bevestigend beantwoord wordt : Ga je gang. Niet te grof aub.
Vanuit feitelijk oogpunt zou ik nog meer op prijs stellen..

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De Italiaanse minister van Buitenlandse Zaken Franco Frattini noemt de onthulling de "11 september van de diplomatie". Alles zal volgens hem hierna anders zijn.
http://nos.nl/artikel/201(...)ingen-wikileaks.html
Zelfreflectie. Psychologie van de koude grond:
Net als met 9-11 denk ik dat er veel meer achter zit dan 'n paar vliegtuig/computer kapers.

Ter vergelijk:
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Israël blij met onthullingen WikiLeaks.

Gênant, schadelijk of juist nuttig? De reacties op de recente onthullingen van klokkenluiderssite WikiLeaks beslaan een breed spectrum in Israël. Maar de gelekte informatie over de communicatie tussen Israël en zijn grootste bondgenoot de Verenigde Staten, komt Israël niet slecht uit.
http://www.gva.be/nieuws/(...)ingen-wikileaks.aspx
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Netanyahu says 9/11 terror attacks good for Israel

The Israeli newspaper Ma'ariv on Wednesday reported that Likud leader Benjamin Netanyahu told an audience at Bar Ilan university that the September 11, 2001 terror attacks had been beneficial for Israel.
http://www.haaretz.com/ne(...)-for-israel-1.244044


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We must guard against the aquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex.
We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes.
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  dinsdag 7 december 2010 @ 07:58:50 #204
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Wiki-Leaks and plausible lies - Where have all the critical thinkers gone?

While the revelations in the Wiki-leaks documents about the true nature of the US government and its imperial attitude towards other nations are welcome, I find myself in the strange position of having to agree with Hillary Clinton, David Cameron et al that the leaks won't affect anyone's relations with anyone.

Our leaders are an inherently hypocritical bunch and over the past 10 years, even the most uninformed have come to understand that our leaders have a definite tendency to say one thing and do another. Who doubts that such hardened politicians fully understand that lying to each other is par for the course in the sordid game of modern global governance? As such, why should the public be overly surprised to see confirmation of this in the Wiki-leaks documents? Entertained and even intrigued, but surprised?

I am not saying that there is no value in certain aspects of the documents themselves to the extent that they provide a chance to disseminate government corruption and mendacity to a wide audience, but titillating details such as Gadaffi's buxom 'nurse' is nothing new and, much more importantly, such details are by no means the main focus of the documents themselves.

Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran...

The Wiki-leaks documents need to be considered in a broader context. By all means, alternative news sites should continue to expose American, British and any another government inequity that the documents reveal. But where is the criticism of the rest of the documents that confirm the standard Israeli/American narrative - that Iran poses 'an existentialist threat' to Israel and to 'moderate' Arab states?

Does anyone care that these documents clearly support US and Israeli war-mongering? Does anyone else find that to be astonishing? Where is the critical thought?

The problem is that, when the dust has settled (as it soon will) over all-too-familiar US government attempts to spy on UN officials and the pusillanimity of the British government assuring the Americans that their Iraq invasion inquiry would have a pro-US bias, we will be left with some core details which, far from being refuted or covered up, are being accepted as fact. Details such as:

Iran is the greatest threat to peace in the Middle East. This is a blatant lie as every alternative, anti-war analyst who has studied the facts has declared vociferously for years now. And suddenly, with a widely publicized leak, the mainstream media wants to try and shove it down our throats again? Because it is a "leak" and Assange is being "hunted down" like Osama bin Under-the-bed? What kind of truth has ever gotten this kind of press in all the years since the Fascist take-over by the unelected G.W. Bush?

Iran received missile technology from North Korea that may enable it to attack Europe in a few years. That's pure propaganda, and every one of you alt news analysts and commentators know that. Iran is making its own missiles and, in any case, Iran is entitled to defend itself. You've all been saying that for years, based on hard data and researched facts. All of a sudden, a leak appears and the mainstream media wants to convince us otherwise? And you compare it to Watergate? Did you read Fletcher Prouty's expose on Watergate, how many of the documents were created and planted to be leaked because they served the agenda of the PTB?

Middle Eastern leaders want the US and Israel to attack Iran. How can this not been seen as further US and Israeli propaganda? And what Middle Eastern country in its right mind would want that considering that the entire area will be unfit for human habitation for years afterward?

Tehran used Red Cross ambulances to smuggle arms to Hizb'allah during its war against Israel in 2006 . Even if true, Iran is entitled to help the Lebanese defend themselves against Israeli aggression just like UK helped the U.S. attack Iraq and Afghanistan. Haven't all of you people been saying this for years now?

Iran harbors 'al Qaeda'. Why would this be seen as anything other than more of the tired old US 'al-qaeda' imaginings designed to scare the masses, at home and abroad?

Iran could produce an intercontinental ballistic missile capable of reaching the United States by 2015. And Saddam could 'hit the UK in 45 minutes', remember?

Pakistan continues to support the 'Mumbai terror attack group'. Why no details of David Headley, the CIA agent who planned the Mumbai attacks and who, according to the CIA, 'went rogue'? Again, yeah, right!

And let's not forget previous Wiki-leaks 'dumps' of data, which included nuggets of US and Israeli government nonsense like Iraq really did have WMDs! And there you were thinking that the WMD business was a total lie! Well, guess again, thanks to some of the Wiki-leaks documents, we now know that the US was totally justified in invading Iraq and killing 1.5 million innocent civilians. And if that isn't enough for ya, then just remember...9/11! Bin Laden (who is alive and well according to previous Wiki-leaks documents) killed about 3,000 Americans that day, which leaves the US and Iraq just about even (500 Iraqi lives being equal to one American life). And don't go spouting any spurious conspiracy theories, because Mr Assange is annoyed that such 'false conspiracies" [like 9/11] distract so many people (like you).

As Phyillis Bennis wrote recently on the Huffington Post:

"If you watched only Fox News or some of the outraged-but-gleeful mainstream pundits, you would believe that the documents prove the dangers of Iran's nuclear program and world-wide support for a military attack on Iran. If you read only the Israeli press, you would think the documents provide irrefutable proof that "the entire world is panicked over the Iranian nuclear program."

Phyillis is correct, but here's the problem: a vast number of people do watch only Fox News or one of its affiliates, and what gets said in the Israeli press is very often received with a sympathetic ear across the US media.

So why is no one contesting these very dubious and much more serious claims? These are claims that could be used to justify an attack on Iran and the murder of millions of Iranian civilians?

Yes, the US government is full of two-faced creeps who spy on friend and foe alike, and if the Wiki-leaks documents help to imprint that on the global awareness, then so much the better. But what will it change in the long run? And more importantly, at what price will come the wholesale acceptance of these documents? If, by simply referring to the precise details and the dominant discourse of the documents, I conclude that some aspects serve the goals of peace and public truth but many others serve the goals of the war-mongers in Tel Aviv and Washington, does that mean I hate Whistle-blowers and want to protect the US government? This whole thing is like the well-known ploy of the psychopath to engage the sympathy of their victim by admitting to flaws and failings - even a few seemingly painful admissions - putting the target to sleep thinking they now have the whole confession, all the while they are being set up for a really big con.

Our world is run by people who lie for a living, so let's examine the situation microcosmically and then all you have to do is extract the principle and apply it on a larger scale.

"Our culture agrees on the signs of lying. Ask anyone how to tell if someone is lying and they will tell you that they can tell by "lack of eye contact, nervous shifting, or picking at one's clothes." Psychologist Anna Salter writes with dry humor: "This perception is so widespread I have had the fantasy that, immediately upon birth, nurses must take newborns and whisper in their ears, "Eye contact. It's a sign of truthfulness." [Anna C. Salter, Ph.D.]

The problem is, if there is a psychopath - or those with related characteropathies - who doesn't know how to keep good eye contact when lying, they haven't been born. Eye contact is "universally known" to be a sign of truth-telling. The problem is liars will fake anything that it is possible to fake, so in reality, eye contact is absolutely NOT a sign of truth telling.

Anna Salter writes:

The man in front of me is a Southern good-ole-boy, the kind of man I grew up with and like. If anything, I have a weakness for the kind of Southern male who can "Sam Ervin" you, the Southern lawyer who wears red suspenders in court along with twenty-five-year-old cowboy boots and who turns his accent up a notch when he sees the northern expert witness coming. A "northern city slicker" on the witness stand will elicit the same kind of focused interest that a deer will in hunting season. You can have some very long days in court with men who wear red suspenders and start by telling you how smart you are and how simple and dumb they are.

I survey the man in front of me. I am not in court; I am in prison, and he is not an attorney but a sex offender, and he has bright eyes along with that slow, sweet drawl. He is a big man, slightly balding, and he has - I have to admit there is such a thing - an innocent face. ...

My Southern good-ole-boy certainly knows eye contact is considered a sign of truthfulness. He describes his manner in getting away with close to 100 rapes of adults and children. He tells me:

The manner that I use when I was trying to convince somebody - even though I knew I was lying - I'd look them in the eye, but I wouldn't stare at them. Staring makes people uncomfortable and that tends to turn them away, so I wouldn't stare at them. But look at them in a manner that, you know, "look at this innocent face. How can you believe that I would do something like that?" It helps if you have a good command of the vocabulary where you can explain yourself in a way that is easily understood. Dress nice. Use fluent hand gestures that are not attacking in any way.

It's a whole combination of things. It's not any one thing that you can do. It's a whole combination of things that your body gestures and things that say "Look, I'm telling you the truth, and I don't know what these people are trying to pull. I don't know what they're trying to prove, but I haven't done any of this. I don't know why they're doing this. You can check my records. I've got a good record. I've never been in any trouble like this. And I don't know what's going on. I'm confused."...

As if reading my thoughts, he breaks off: "You don't get this, Anna, do you?" he says. "You think that when I'm asked, "Did I do it? that's when I lie. But I've been lying every day for the last twenty-five years."

The practiced liar: a category of liar that even experts find it difficult to detect.

Problem is, even when dealing with people who are not practiced liars, such as college students who have volunteered for a research study of lying, most observers are not as good as they think in detecting deception. The research shows consistently that most people - even most professional groups such as police and psychologists - have no better than a chance ability to detect deception. Flipping a coin would serve as well.

"If you want to deny something, make sure you've got an element of truth in it. It sounds like it's true, and there are elements of it that are very true that can be checked out, and try to balance it so that it has more truth than lie, so that when it is checked out, even if the lie part does come out, there's more truth there than lie."

This man was good enough that once he got away with stomping out of court in a huff. He was accused by his sister of raping her and molesting her daughter on the same day. He played it as a preposterous charge. His sister, he told the court, had once accused his uncle of abuse. She was well known in the family for making up crazy charges like this. He said he wasn't going to put up with such nonsense and walked out. No one stopped him, and no one ever called him back. The charge just disappeared somehow. He now admits that both charges were true.

It is 'likeability' and charm that he wields as weapons.

The double life is a powerful tactic. There is the pattern of socially responsible behavior in public that causes people to drop their guard, and to turn a deaf ear to disclosures. The ability to charm, to be likable, to radiate sincerity and truthfulness, is crucial to the successful liar - and they practice assiduously.

"Niceness is a decision," writes Gavin De Becker in The Gift of Fear. It is a "strategy of social interaction; it is not a character trait."

Despite the decades of research that have demonstrated that people cannot reliably tell whose lying and who isn't, most people believe they can. There is something so fundamentally threatening about the notion that we cannot really know whether or not to trust someone that it is very difficult to get anyone - clinicians, citizens, even police - to take such results seriously.

Assange on Netanyahu

In a recent Time Magazine interview, Julian Assange stated that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu "is not a naive man" but rather a "sophisticated politician". That's Assange's assessment of a man who is clearly a psychopath. In the same interview Assange said:

"We can see the Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu coming out with a very interesting statement that leaders should speak in public like they do in private whenever they can. He believes that the result of this publication, which makes the sentiments of many privately held beliefs public, are promising a pretty good [indecipherable] will lead to some kind of increase in the peace process in the Middle East and particularly in relation to Iran."

Apart from the fact that he appears to be praising a pathological war criminal, Assange displays an amazing level of naivete. Netanyahu's comment about Middle Eastern leaders making their private opinions public was in reference to the leaked allegation that the Saudi, Jordanian and Emirati governments were privately in favor of "cutting the head of the Iranian snake", something that Netanyahu has been cheer-leading for several years. Despite this, Assange believes that this will lead to "some kind of increase in the peace process in relation to Iran".

Say what?!

But not everyone is fooled. On Wednesday, a senior Turkish official blamed Israel for the Wiki-leaks release. Addressing reporters, Huseyin Celik, deputy leader of Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan's AKP party, hinted that Israel engineered the leak of hundreds of thousands of United States diplomatic cables as a plot to pressure the Turkish government.

"One has to look at which countries are pleased with these," Celik was quoted as saying. "Israel is very pleased. Israel has been making statements for days, even before the release of these documents."

"Documents were released and they immediately said, 'Israel will not suffer from this.' How did they know that?" Celik asked.

He doesn't even realize that probably many of these documents were created FOR leaking! Again, the reader is referred to Fletcher Prouty's book The Secret Team.

Critical Vs 'Black and White' Thinking

The Wiki-leaks documents that provide evidence for what is already understood should be accepted, the documents that echo what we already know to be US and Israeli propaganda should be understood as just that - US and Israeli propaganda. Is that so hard?

Why are many alternative news writers who railed against similar lies and disinformation when it came from US and Israeli 'Intel reports' now accepting, or ignoring, the same propaganda simply because it comes via Wiki-leaks? Do the Wiki-leaks documents have to be all good or are all bad? Is such black and white thinking ever a good way to discern truth from lies in a world where almost everything has some element of spin? Are we so desperate for a truth-telling hero - like the practiced liar described by Anna Salter above - that we have lost our ability to critically think? What happened to our ability to understand and identify the nuances and subtitles of big government propaganda?

The broad view of Wiki-leaks and its documents, so far, paints a picture of a concerted effort to supplant the alternative, anti-war media with an illusion of truth. As the Western mainstream media continues to reach new heights of mendacity and obfuscation of the truth, an increasing number of ordinary people have been turning to alternative news sites for a more accurate perspective of what is happening on our planet. This has posed a clear threat to those whose positions of influence and power depend on a misinformed population.

The solution to this problem would be the appearance on the scene of an organization that goes one better than the anti-war, alternative media and produces 'smoking gun', officially documented evidence of government lies and deception. Such evidence would, after all, come from the horse's mouth, a veritable admission of guilt from the wrong-doers themselves rather than accusations from third-party alternative news web sites. Re-read Anna Salter's description of the pedophile she was interviewing above to get a real picture of the pathology at work here. The deception, of course, lies not in the release of official documents, but in the use of those documents, which in themselves do not constitute high crimes, as a cover to promote the same big government lies. I submit that, based on the clear evidence, Wiki-leaks is just such an organization and is designed to fulfill just such a role: the dissemination of Plausible Lies.

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  dinsdag 7 december 2010 @ 08:09:11 #205
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Everything is upside down
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The WikiLeaks Hoax, Part I
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The original WikiLeaks website in fact went offline in December 2009, allegedly to make way for a funding drive. It was, as I put it, an “equal opportunity” publisher of classified materials of all sorts from a wide variety of sources. The site, as such, had no clear political orientation and it would indeed have been contrary to the nature of the project to have had any. Like its namesake Wikipedia, the “old” WikiLeaks was, in effect, merely a platform. It was not the team that maintained the platform that provided the site with its essential content, but rather the sources who uploaded material to it.

The “new” WikiLeaks, by contrast, had all the trappings of a propaganda vehicle. Or, more precisely, just a propaganda stunt. When WikiLeaks published the “Collateral Murder” video, the site might indeed have been more appropriately called “WikiLeak” in the singular. For it contained barely any other leaks and none of any consequence.
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But what truly gives away the game is the fact that three selected news organizations were given a substantial head start in viewing the files. This permitted the three organizations to enjoy the prestige of breaking the story and to set the terms of the debate even before the raw material had been posted online by WikiLeaks.

And what, above all, gives the game away is just which three news organizations have thus been granted the privilege of being WikiLeaks “media partners,” as the site refers to them.
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Everything is backwards, everything is upside down. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, psychiatrists destroy minds, scientists destroy truth, media destroys information, religions destroy spirituality and governments destroy freedom.
  dinsdag 7 december 2010 @ 08:56:47 #206
132152 Ticker
En de Watskeburt?!
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1s.gif Op maandag 6 december 2010 19:56 schreef Terecht het volgende:

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Maar zie je nu zelf niet een probleem met deze redeneertrant? Je veronderstelt nl al datgene wat je wil aantonen, dan is het geen wonder dat je overal bevestiging vindt. Dat verklaart ook waarom de NWO kennelijk zo alomtegenwoordig is.
Ik wist niet dat ik nog steeds bezig was met bevestiging zoeken in datgene wat hier nu na allang duidelijk hoort te zijn?
Zoals ik al zei, als je nog steeds zoekende bent, gaat WikiLeaks je niet de doorslag geven.
Waarom zou ik na al die jaren discussie voeren en topics maken en de knoopjes aan elkaar binden, nog steeds opzoek zijn naar het antwoord of er een NWO is? Die brandende vraag lijkt hier voornamelijk te zijn weggelegd voor de jongens die zichzelf wat geleerder achten. :?
- Maybe O.D.B My Long Distance Family -
"Computer says: no.."
"Laat hen gaan, blinden zijn zij, die blinden leiden. Indien een blinde een blinde leidt, zullen zij beiden in een put vallen". (Matteüs 15:14)
  dinsdag 7 december 2010 @ 08:59:27 #207
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En de Watskeburt?!
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1s.gif Op maandag 6 december 2010 20:39 schreef Gray het volgende:

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Ik blijf het altijd weer fascinerend vinden om te zien hoe de breinen van mensen werken. :) Zo concludeer ik na het zien van dit filmpje dat hij juist het tegenovergestelde zegt. Namelijk dat het internet wel moet bestaan, want anders weer terug naar potlood en papier.

Deze man maakt slechts duidelijk dat hij de beveiliging van informatie zorgwekkend vindt. En terecht.
Inderdaad bijzonder fascinerend hoe mensen zich op een lijn kunnen plaatsen door het idee te hebben dat ze dezelfde mening delen.
- Maybe O.D.B My Long Distance Family -
"Computer says: no.."
"Laat hen gaan, blinden zijn zij, die blinden leiden. Indien een blinde een blinde leidt, zullen zij beiden in een put vallen". (Matteüs 15:14)
  dinsdag 7 december 2010 @ 12:25:36 #208
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WikiLeaks insurance password:
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Hij is gearresteerd vanmorgen.

Het begin van een wereldwijde media/internet/burger oorlog.

De mensen worden wel wakker, het duurt alleen even. Het mooiste zou zijn als de hele wereld opstaat en massaal in elke hoofdstad gaan protesteren en de regeringen worden afgeworpen.

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Het WikiLeaks insurance.rar password is: _____
  dinsdag 7 december 2010 @ 13:02:18 #209
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Apodictisch.
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1s.gif Op dinsdag 7 december 2010 00:37 schreef Resonancer het volgende:

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Mijn eerdere post bevat ook vragen btw, en meerdere standpunten, maar...
Indien jou vraag bevestigend beantwoord wordt : Ga je gang. Niet te grof aub.
Vanuit feitelijk oogpunt zou ik nog meer op prijs stellen..
Je suggereert alsof de massa de berichtgeving in de gevestigde media omtrent Wikileaks toch wel zal slikken, en dus als instrument gebruikt wordt om de schaapjes te hersenspoelen. Geloof je in de authenticiteit van Wikileaks dan is dat niet omdat je daar zelfstandig over hebt nagedacht maar omdat je via de MSM geprogrammeerd bent dat te geloven.

Maar dan kun je je afvragen of jouw scepsis mbt wikileaks niet ook een psychologische reactie is. Immers, zoals RM-rf o.a. al schreef, als Wikileaks geen kwade opzet is dat bedreigend voor het wereldbeeld van de truther en dus moet Wikileaks op de een of andere manier ingekapseld worden en wat beter dan het deel uit te laten maken van het complot!

Vanuit feitelijk oogpunt kun je stellen dat er geen feiten zijn die kwade krachten achter Wikileaks aantonen, men bouwt op vooronderstellingen om te veronderstellen dat Wikileaks foute boel is. Een psychologisch oogpunt is dus misschien helemaal zo gek nog niet. ;)
  dinsdag 7 december 2010 @ 13:04:07 #210
153970 Terecht
Apodictisch.
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4s.gif Op dinsdag 7 december 2010 08:56 schreef Ticker het volgende:

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Ik wist niet dat ik nog steeds bezig was met bevestiging zoeken in datgene wat hier nu na allang duidelijk hoort te zijn?
Zoals ik al zei, als je nog steeds zoekende bent, gaat WikiLeaks je niet de doorslag geven.
Waarom zou ik na al die jaren discussie voeren en topics maken en de knoopjes aan elkaar binden, nog steeds opzoek zijn naar het antwoord of er een NWO is? Die brandende vraag lijkt hier voornamelijk te zijn weggelegd voor de jongens die zichzelf wat geleerder achten. :?
Je hebt gelijk, ik heb het te voorzichtig verwoord. Jij hebt je mal al lang geleden uitgesneden (of laten uitsnijden, het is nog maar de vraag in hoeverre jij daar zelf aan hebt bijgedragen) en nu zal de werkelijkheid daar hoe dan ook in geboetseerd worden want een alternatieve mal heb je niet, wel?
pi_89634642
Okee, ik had dit topic al uit mijn AT gekicked, maar dit is toch wel weer interessant:

LONDON (Reuters) - WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange handed himself in to British police on Tuesday after Sweden issued a warrant for his arrest over allegations of sex crimes, London's Metropolitan Police said.

Assange, whose WikiLeaks website is at the center of a row over the release of secret U.S. diplomatic cables, was arrested under a European Arrest Warrant.

Swedish prosecutors want to question the 39-year-old Australian about allegations including rape. He denies the allegations.

WikiLeaks, which has provoked fury in Washington with its publications, vowed it would continue making public details of the 250,000 secret U.S. documents it had obtained.

"Today's actions against our editor-in-chief Julian Assange won't affect our operations: we will release more cables tonight as normal," WikiLeaks said, according to its Twitter page.

Assange is due to appear before City of Westminster Magistrates' Court in London later on Tuesday when a date for an extradition hearing is likely to be set. This must take place within 21 days of his arrest.

"He is accused by the Swedish authorities of one count of unlawful coercion, two counts of sexual molestation and one count of rape, all alleged to have been committed in August 2010," a London police spokeswoman said.

Assange has spent much of his time in Sweden and earlier this year was accused of sexual misconduct by two female Swedish WikiLeaks volunteers.

This led Swedish prosecutors to open, then drop, then re-open an investigation into the allegations. The crime he is suspected of is the least severe of three categories of rape, carrying a maximum of four years in jail.

London police said Assange was arrested by officers from its extradition unit at about 9.30 a.m. (0930 GMT) after he appeared by appointment at a police station. His whereabouts had been previously undisclosed.

If a judge is satisfied his extradition is warranted and will not breach his human rights, the WikiLeaks founder's extradition will be ordered, although Assange can appeal against that decision to higher courts.

WIKILEAKS VOWS TO GO ON

Assange's Swedish lawyer has said his client would fight any extradition and believed foreign powers were influencing Sweden.

The U.S. government and others across the world have argued the publication of cables is irresponsible and could put their national security at risk.

U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder said on Monday President Barack Obama's administration was considering ways to seek prosecutions over their release.

The WikiLeaks website was also shut down after apparent political pressure on service providers, but WikiLeaks said there were now 750 global mirror sites meaning the data so far released remained readily available.

The group said it would be operating as normal using people in London and other locations, and argued the pressure it faced was becoming a fundamental question of civil liberties.

"Any development with regards to Julian Assange will not change the plans we have with regards to the releases today and in the coming days," said spokesman Kristinn Hrafnsson.

"The attacks that we are under from companies who are bowing to pressure from the U.S. government are outrageous and I see it a clear confrontation against the freedom of speech and press freedom."

Swiss postfinance, the banking arm of state-owned Swiss Post, has closed an account used for WikiLeaks donations and online payment service PayPal has also suspended WikiLeaks' account.

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  dinsdag 7 december 2010 @ 15:57:54 #212
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Ja dat ze hem nu hebben is 1 ding.. maar wat nu dan? Wikileaks is meer dan 1 persoon (lijkt mij) plus, al zouden ze hem al kunnen veroordelen voor iets wat in Zweden gebeurt is, ze hem niet dwingen om te stoppen met publiceren van documenten lijkt mij?

Overigens.. er is iets aan die man wat mijn nekharen doet rijzen.
The truth was in here.
  dinsdag 7 december 2010 @ 16:00:13 #213
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11s.gif Op dinsdag 7 december 2010 13:04 schreef Terecht het volgende:

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Je hebt gelijk, ik heb het te voorzichtig verwoord. Jij hebt je mal al lang geleden uitgesneden (of laten uitsnijden, het is nog maar de vraag in hoeverre jij daar zelf aan hebt bijgedragen) en nu zal de werkelijkheid daar hoe dan ook in geboetseerd worden want een alternatieve mal heb je niet, wel?
Waarom is jouw wereld en denkbeeld zo anders dan de mijne? Waarom lees jij niet wat ik lees?
Waarom waarom.. only time will tell

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  dinsdag 7 december 2010 @ 16:03:38 #214
323707 Trava
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1s.gif Op dinsdag 7 december 2010 15:57 schreef Bastard het volgende:
Ja dat ze hem nu hebben is 1 ding.. maar wat nu dan? Wikileaks is meer dan 1 persoon (lijkt mij) plus, al zouden ze hem al kunnen veroordelen voor iets wat in Zweden gebeurt is, ze hem niet dwingen om te stoppen met publiceren van documenten lijkt mij?

Overigens.. er is iets aan die man wat mijn nekharen doet rijzen. [ afbeelding ]
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  dinsdag 7 december 2010 @ 16:07:37 #215
147172 THEFXR
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1s.gif Op dinsdag 7 december 2010 15:57 schreef Bastard het volgende:
Ja dat ze hem nu hebben is 1 ding.. maar wat nu dan? Wikileaks is meer dan 1 persoon (lijkt mij) plus, al zouden ze hem al kunnen veroordelen voor iets wat in Zweden gebeurt is, ze hem niet dwingen om te stoppen met publiceren van documenten lijkt mij?

Overigens.. er is iets aan die man wat mijn nekharen doet rijzen. [ afbeelding ]
hij ziet er hier nogal verwijfd uit,ja :D

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  dinsdag 7 december 2010 @ 16:48:57 #216
311910 MetalIsAwesome
Hey, kijk niet zo man
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Laat ik even op een rijtje zetten wat voor een NWO redenen kunnen zijn voor wikileaks, hoewel ik het zelf nogal onwaarschijnlijk vind.

- Door Wikileaks kunnen ze laten zien dat het niet zo is dat er nooit iets bekend wordt (in de massamedia) dat tegen de regering werkt.
- Door Wikileaks kunnen ze onze rechten nog meer inperken door te laten zien wat voor een gevaar het vormt als er teveel persvrijheid en vrijheid van meningsuiting doordat er bijvoorbeeld ook documenten gelekt worden die in het voordeel werken van terroristische organisaties. Oftewel, de reden is de war on terror waarvoor Wikileaks gebruikt wordt.

Maar wat een eerdere user al zei, waarom zouden ze zoveel moeite doen om het weer uit de lucht te krijgen als het bij het complot hoort? Wat ik sowieso al dom vind is dat je de beveiliging voor zulke geheime documenten niet goed regelt.

Toen ik hoorde dat Assange van verkrachting beschuldigt wordt juist nadat Wikileaks zo in de schijnwerpers kwam dacht ik trouwens zelf al dat hier iets niet klopte dus die beschuldigingen zijn naar mijn mening gewoon niet waar en bedoeld voor domme mensen die alles van de media geloven.
De wereld is er om te respecteren, omdat het ons een plaats en de kans om te leven heeft gegund.
  dinsdag 7 december 2010 @ 16:52:24 #217
29605 Faceoff
Sapperdedosiejo
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Oh ik zit in BNW, was al bijna bang dat ik dit serieus moest nemen.

Alle conspiracies zijn juist de conspiracies, denk daar maar eens over na!
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14s.gif Op dinsdag 7 december 2010 08:59 schreef Ticker het volgende:

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Inderdaad bijzonder fascinerend hoe mensen zich op een lijn kunnen plaatsen door het idee te hebben dat ze dezelfde mening delen.
Dit heb je zo cryptisch verwoord dat ik eigenlijk geen idee heb van wat je hier zeggen wil.

Kan je dit duidelijker maken?
  dinsdag 7 december 2010 @ 16:58:49 #219
153970 Terecht
Apodictisch.
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1s.gif Op dinsdag 7 december 2010 16:56 schreef Gray het volgende:

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Dit heb je zo cryptisch verwoord dat ik eigenlijk geen idee heb van wat je hier zeggen wil.

Kan je dit duidelijker maken?
Hij bedoelt dat jij denkt dat je dHr Rockefeller juist heb begrepen maar dat is natuurlijk niet zo want: Rockefeller moet je op de "juiste" manier interpreteren, want: Rockefeller!
  dinsdag 7 december 2010 @ 17:02:09 #220
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1s.gif Op dinsdag 7 december 2010 12:25 schreef Trava het volgende:
Hij is gearresteerd vanmorgen.

Het begin van een wereldwijde media/internet/burger oorlog.

Yep.....en internet gaat ook op de schop....

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  dinsdag 7 december 2010 @ 17:04:46 #221
37248 BertV
Klei indiaan
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1s.gif Op dinsdag 7 december 2010 17:02 schreef DarthHouse het volgende:

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Yep.....en internet gaat ook op de schop....

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Hee, nu uit de beta!
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1s.gif Op zondag 5 december 2010 22:47 schreef RM-rf het volgende:

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Het idee dat er werkelijk een sterk 'lange-termijns-plan' bij de Verenigde Staten zou bestaan zou ik inderdaad een vage en onbevestigde, zelfs onwaarschijnlijke complot-theorie vinden....

ik heb niet de indruk dat de politici daar, zoals bij de meeste democratische landen écht qua beleidsvoering verder kijken dan de eerstvolgende verkiezing waarbij ze moeten scoren bij de stemmers...

de 'lange-termijns-visie' bij ambtenaren bestaat natuurlijk wél, maar is veelal vooral gericht op het behoud van hun baantje en inkomen, en het beschermen van de belangen en invloed van enkel hun eigen 'departement', en schoonvegen van de eigen stoepjes...
Niet dat ik je nu direct voorbeelden kan laten zien van dergelijke lange-termijn plannen, maar het zou mij serieus verbazen wanneer deze er niet zouden zijn. Ik zou ook geen reden kunnen bedenken waarom deze er niet zouden zijn. Een machtig land als de VS kan onmogelijk overleven zonder zulke plannen. Dat is echt onbestaanbaar.
Denk je nu serieus dat de invasies in Irak en Afghanistan van de laatste jaren opwellingen zijn van de mensen die toen toevallig aan het roer stonden? Je denkt serieus dat de VS Irak is binnengevallen omdat Saddam ze niet aanstond? Voor de invasie in Afghanistan bestonden al plannen voor 9/11. Zbigniew Brzezinski, jarenlang een zeer invloedrijke adviseur binnen verschillende VS-regeringen (en volgens mij nu nu steeds adviseur buitenlands beleid van Obama), en een aantal mensen om hem heen, hebben heel duidelijk geformuleerd wat het geopolitieke belang van Centraal-Azië is (zie bijvoorbeeld "The Grand Chessboard"), en dat het voor de VS noodzakelijk is om hun invloed hier uit te breiden, willen ze wereldleider te blijven. Alles wijst erop dat dit de richting is die al tientallen jaren gevolgd wordt door de VS, van de steun aan de Mujahedeen tijdens de Russische invasie in Afghanistan eind jaren '70, tot Iran-Contra, het BCCI-schandaal, de opkomst van Al Qaeda, 9/11 en de oorlogen in Afghanistan en Irak deze eeuw (en de ophef rond Iran de laatste jaren kan je hier waarschijnlijk ook bij rekenen). Het is ook al jarenlang een select groepje mensen die de belangrijkste posities binnen de Amerikaanse overheid (inclusief veiligheidsdiensten en adviseurs) vervullen. Die namen kan je waarschijnlijk zelf wel invullen.
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Ook VPRO steunt Wikileaks:

AMSTERDAM (ANP) De VPRO steunt Wikileaks. Op de site van de omroep is een kopie van WikiLeaks te zien. ,,We willen laten zien dat we een voorstander zijn van het recht op informatievrijheid, schrijft de omroep dinsdag op zijn site.

Powned zette eind vorige week de door WikiLeaks gelekte stukken in een zogeheten mirrorsite online, nadat WikiLeaks.org uit de lucht was gehaald. Ook de VPRO heeft een mirror van de site online gezet. ,,Hoe meer kopieën er online staan, des te moeilijker is het om de informatie die Wikileaks aanbiedt, uit de lucht te halen.
  dinsdag 7 december 2010 @ 20:59:21 #224
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1s.gif Op dinsdag 7 december 2010 17:04 schreef BertV het volgende:

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Hee, nu uit de beta!
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"Nieuwe media stellen burgers over de hele wereld in staat om hun leefomstandigheden kenbaar te maken, hun mening te uiten over gebeurtenissen en informatie uit te wisselen, soms in een omgeving die vijandig staat tegenover de vrijheid van meningsuiting", zo stelt de Amerikaanse regering in hun heroïsche strijd voor persvrijheid.

De Amerikaanse regering geeft wel aan zich ernstig zorgen te maken over de 'vastberadenheid van sommige regimes om censuur toe te passen en individuen het zwijgen op te leggen'. "Evenementen als de Dag van de Persvrijheid zijn bij uitstek geschikt om onze steun toe te zeggen aan het ondersteunen en vergroten van de persvrijheid en de vrije stroom van informatie in dit digitale tijdperk."

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