Turks-Koerdisch conflict #2

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Op dinsdag 22 juni 2010 16:11 schreef G.Garibaldi het volgende:

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Ik baseer mij op hetgeen wat de PJAK zelf zegt. Dus als jij door middel van een glazen bol doorkrijgt dat ze in werkelijk wel voor een Koerdisch grondgebieden strijden, dan heb ik daar niets mee te maken. Ik steun de PJAK in hun strijd tegen het Iraanse regime.

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Op dinsdag 22 juni 2010 16:12 schreef zarGon het volgende:

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Jongen, het is al goed. Je hoeft geen excuses te verzinnen.

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Op dinsdag 22 juni 2010 16:14 schreef TeenWolf het volgende:
Autonoom zijn werkt niet joh! Daarvoor is teveel gebeurd. Geldt in alle delen van de wereld waar de idealen lijnrecht tegenovergesteld staan.

Zoiets zou misschien wel werken b.v. in Nederland met de Friezen, hier zou de nuchterheid de autonomie wel laten werken, maar in die gebieden, je weet dat dat niet gaat werken Garibaldi.

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Op dinsdag 22 juni 2010 16:15 schreef zarGon het volgende:
Autonomie in Iran, eigen land in Turkije, ja?

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Op dinsdag 22 juni 2010 16:17 schreef G.Garibaldi het volgende:

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Verdiep jij je nou maar eerst in het conflict. De meeste Koerden strijden tegenhet Iraanse regime, niet tegen de Iraanse bevolking of voor eigen grondgebied. De Koerden behoren tot het Iraanse volk, spreken een Iraanse taal en cultureel gezien zijn ze ook Iraniers, dus een ideologisch verschil zal er nooit ontstaan.

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Op dinsdag 22 juni 2010 16:21 schreef TeenWolf het volgende:
En gebruik jij je rationele boerenverstand is even, een autonoom gebied gaat daar niet werken geloof me. kijk naar de autonome gebieden zoals b.v. Tsjetsjenië of Tibet, er zal altijd strijd zijn naar onafhankelijkheid. Autonomie werkt daar simpelweg niet en zeker niet in Iran met zijn regime.

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Op dinsdag 22 juni 2010 16:19 schreef Hellas2009 het volgende:

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Verstandig. Ik zou ook niet ingaan op de 'divide & conquer-strategie' van de Turken (en de Turk-wannabe's). Dit topic gaat namelijk over de Turkse onderdrukkers en heeft niet zoveel met de situatie in Iran te maken.

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Op dinsdag 22 juni 2010 16:28 schreef Hellas2009 het volgende:
Ik weet dat de Koerden tot de Iraanse volkeren behoren. Veel mensen begrijpen dit niet. Zelfs die Iraanse Mullah-lover op de FP, Mohsin

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Iran: Kurds form front to demand rights

A group of Iranian Kurds has created a movement aimed at "peacefully" promoting democracy and demanding rights that they say have been neglected. Some Kurdish activists believe, however, that the creation of the Kurdish United Front is simply an attempt by reformist groups to regain some political power.

A group of Iranian Kurds has formed a movement that aims to "peacefully" demand rights that they say have been neglected or denied Iran's sizable Kurdish minority.

The Kurds account for about 7% of Iran's 68 million-strong population, making them one of the country's largest ethnic groups. Most live in Iran's western provinces, amongst the least developed in the country.

The group claims to have the backing of Kurdish activists, NGOs, and several thousand supporters.

Speaking to RFE/RL, Bahaeddin Adab, the founder of the Kurdish United Front, said that democracy and equal rights are key aims of the group.

"There is very little freedom in areas with a Kurdish population, and democracy for all Iranian people -- especially for Kurds -- is a necessity," he said. "The second issue is equal rights," he continued, claiming that "Kurdish areas suffer from discrimination and [official] contempt in all political, economic, social and cultural areas of life. Kurds have no share in the distribution of power or regarding economic development; the four Kurdish provinces of our country are not developed and are deprived. They face limitations in their cultural activities, which is preventing cultural development."

Adab blames inequality and neglect for a "social problems that never before existed in Kurdish areas. Divorce, suicide, and addiction, for example, are widespread now."

Violence And Nonviolence

He also linked these problems to violent clashes with the authorities seen in several Kurdish cities in the summer of 2005. In July, the shooting in Mahabad of a Kurd, Shavaneh Qaderi, by security forces led to demonstrations and dozens of arrests. The unrest spread to other cities -- including Baneh, Sanandaj and Sardasht -- and reportedly resulted in the deaths of several civilians and police officers.

Adab sees a lack of representation as a major contributory factor in the unrest, which he believes demonstrated the need to create the Kurdish United Front.

"Because such issues are brought up and pursued individually, there are no results. That leads to the use of violence by the government," he contends. "That has a high cost for the nation and that is not, we believe, in the interests of the people or of the government because it widens the gap between the people and the establishment."

Iranian authorities blamed the unrest on "hooligan and criminal elements" and charged that "public and state-owned buildings, including banks, were damaged."

A number of rights activists and journalists were jailed after the killings, some of them for long terms. Human rights organizations have called for their release and for an investigation into the deaths.

Adab, who says the summer's violence "offended the majority of the people," promised that the Front would work within the framework of law and would eschew violence.

Advancing The Front

The Kurdish United Front says a recent opinion poll in areas with Kurdish population showed that most people supported the creation of a front that would enable them to pursue and assert their legitimate rights.

Adab insists that the movement is not an official party or a nongovernmental organization. Such groups require the state's permission to meet, advertise, and register new members. A number of Kurdish parties are banned in Iran.

The Front plans to help Kurdish representatives gain seats in city councils and in the national parliament, as well as to raise Kurds' awareness of their rights.

In August, the UN?s special rapporteur on housing and land rights Miloon Kothari concluded at the end of a 12-day visit to Iran that minorities in Iran, including the Kurds, face discrimination when it comes to gaining access to housing, civic services, and land.

While Adab is optimistic that his group will be able to achieve positive results, other Kurdish activists in Iran express doubt.

"Our current president [Mahmud Ahmadinejad] also talks about the same issue. He says he wants justice for all Iranians," says Mohammad Sadegh Kabudvand, head of the Human Rights Organization of Kurdistan. "Mr. Adab also says the same thing, or he talks about democracy. The reformists also spoke of democracy. But do the Kurdish people have democracy and justice? No."

Kabudvand is similarly skeptical about the prospects that Kurds' language rights will be observed. "Mr Adab says we will work within the framework of law. The law says ethnic languages can be taught. These laws have been in place for the past 25 years, but will the government let them be applied? No step has been taken in an issue as basic as this, let alone regarding the other rights that Kurdish people are demanding."

Kabubvand instead sees the formation of the Kurdish United Front as a personal political vehicle for Adab and other members of the movement. "Most activists believe that this front wants to gain a share of power once more. That is all," he says.

Adab, an outspoken former member of parliament, was barred from running again for parliament in 2004 after the Guardians Council, which oversees elections and vets legislation, disqualified him from the race, along with thousands of other independent and reform-minded candidates.

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De Koerdische splintergroepering TAK zegt dat ze vanochtend de bomaanslag op een Turkse legerbus in Istanbul heeft gepleegd. Bij die aanslag kwamen vijf militairen om. De bom explodeerde op een weg bij een militair complex.

De autoriteiten zeggen dat de TAK banden heeft met Koerdische extremisten van de PKK. De splintergroepering heeft de burgers gewaarschuwd uit de buurt te blijven van militairen omdat er meer aanslagen zullen volgen.

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Op dinsdag 22 juni 2010 16:24 schreef G.Garibaldi het volgende:

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Een autonoom gebied zal daar wel werken. Waarom, omdat andere Iraanse volkeren in Iran ook een autonoom gebied kennen. Het verschil met Tsjetsjenië en Tibet is het feit dat ze een ander geloof delen, tot een ander volk behoren en cultureel gezien ook van elkaar enorm verschillen. Niemand strijdt voor een eigen land als het land waar ze in leven cultureel en linguïstisch gezien dicht bij die van hen ligt.