Michael Jackson #90 - You're Just A Product Of Loveliness

TMZ has learned Dr. Conrad Murray has made it clear -- he will not take a plea bargain in the death of Michael Jackson.

Sources say Dr. Murray is adamant ... he did nothing wrong and will not plead to manslaughter or any lesser offense.

TMZ first broke the story of Dr. Murray's defense ... that Michael Jackson accidentally killed himself by self-injecting a fatal dose of Propofol into his bloodstream.

Dr. Murray, we're told, is "completely confident" that he will be found not guilty. He is less confident that the medical boards in Texas, Nevada and California will reach a similar result.

Dr. Murray is extremely relieved Judge Michael Pastor did not yank his California medical license yesterday. Nevertheless, he realizes it's all but inevitable all three medical boards will go after his license.


Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0kJ2aLGT6



Hij mag nog gewoon van de rechter doktertje spelen ook, tis toch ongelofelijk?

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Op dinsdag 6 april 2010 10:19 schreef Virtual-Insanity het volgende:
TMZ has learned Dr. Conrad Murray has made it clear -- he will not take a plea bargain in the death of Michael Jackson.

Sources say Dr. Murray is adamant ... he did nothing wrong and will not plead to manslaughter or any lesser offense.

TMZ first broke the story of Dr. Murray's defense ... that Michael Jackson accidentally killed himself by self-injecting a fatal dose of Propofol into his bloodstream.

Dr. Murray, we're told, is "completely confident" that he will be found not guilty. He is less confident that the medical boards in Texas, Nevada and California will reach a similar result.

Dr. Murray is extremely relieved Judge Michael Pastor did not yank his California medical license yesterday. Nevertheless, he realizes it's all but inevitable all three medical boards will go after his license.


Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0kJ2aLGT6



Hij mag nog gewoon van de rechter doktertje spelen ook, tis toch ongelofelijk?

Nou, heb begrepen dat de beslissing van wel of niet afnemen van zijn licence is verschoven naar de volgende zitting: 14 juni.
Dit gaat een lang verhaal worden zo




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Op dinsdag 6 april 2010 11:47 schreef Robijn48 het volgende:

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Nou, heb begrepen dat de beslissing van wel of niet afnemen van zijn licence is verschoven naar de volgende zitting: 14 juni.
Dit gaat een lang verhaal worden zo


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Een lang verhaal gaat het absoluut worden, maar het feit dat die gast op dit moment nog gewoon zijn license heeft is al van de zotte, toch?

Het is toch onvoorstelbaar schaamteloos dat Amerikaanse recht systeem Zelfs als MJ. was blijven leven, . Murray heeft hoe dan ook de eed van Hypocratus geschonden. En nog is zijn licence niet afgenomen. Ik kan er met mijn petje niet bij!

Uiteindelijk is MJ zelf de hoofdschuldige van zijn eigen dood. Hij wilde toch echt zelf die drugs hebben, niemand heeft hem daartoe verplicht...

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Op dinsdag 6 april 2010 17:03 schreef Cavalier het volgende:
Uiteindelijk is MJ zelf de hoofdschuldige van zijn eigen dood. Hij wilde toch echt zelf die drugs hebben, niemand heeft hem daartoe verplicht...

Als een junk een overdosis heroine wil, en zijn dokter geeft hem dat, is het dan de schuld van de junk dat hij dood is? Let wel, ik zeg niet dat MJ totaal geen schuld heeft aan zijn dood want ja, het was ZIJN verslaving, maar een goede dokter doet alleen wat goed is voor de patient, niet wat gunstig is voor zijn eigen portemonnee. Daarnaast heeft Murray allemaal fouten gemaakt. Wellicht had MJ gered kunnen worden zonder die fouten.

Ik heb ook begrepen dat in juni dus de preliminary hearing pas is, waarin de bewijslast wordt bekeken en zo. Pfff.

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Op dinsdag 6 april 2010 12:51 schreef Virtual-Insanity het volgende:

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Een lang verhaal gaat het absoluut worden, maar het feit dat die gast op dit moment nog gewoon zijn license heeft is al van de zotte, toch?

Mee eens, snap het ook niet, en ook niet waarom de rechter de beslissing verschoven heeft maar ja, it's not up to me

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Op dinsdag 6 april 2010 20:05 schreef gifkwal het volgende:

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Als een junk een overdosis heroine wil, en zijn dokter geeft hem dat, is het dan de schuld van de junk dat hij dood is? Let wel, ik zeg niet dat MJ totaal geen schuld heeft aan zijn dood want ja, het was ZIJN verslaving, maar een goede dokter doet alleen wat goed is voor de patient, niet wat gunstig is voor zijn eigen portemonnee. Daarnaast heeft Murray allemaal fouten gemaakt. Wellicht had MJ gered kunnen worden zonder die fouten.

Ik heb ook begrepen dat in juni dus de preliminary hearing pas is, waarin de bewijslast wordt bekeken en zo. Pfff.

Pfff, kwam er idd net achter dat dit een PRE preliminary hearing was. Het vaststellen van de rechter en het zetten van een nieuwe datum. Kan het allemaal nog langzamer?

Voordeel is dat Murray nog iets langer mag zitten zweten.

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Op dinsdag 6 april 2010 21:57 schreef gifkwal het volgende:
Voordeel is dat Murray nog iets langer mag zitten zweten.

Ja, maar ook zijn gewone leventje kan doorzetten

Op TMZ een filmpje waarin Jermaine zegt (Joe heeft dat ook een paar keer gezegd) dat er veel medeplichtigen zijn. Uiteraard wil hij niet zeggen wie.

Is het strafbaar om dit hardop te zeggen? Het is echt weer zo'n Jackson ding om zo raadselachtig te doen...

TMZ:

Michael Jackson -- Strong Stimulant Found
Posted Apr 7th 2010 3:00AM

There may be a clear explanation as to why Michael Jackson had trouble sleeping the night before he died -- authorities found a pill bottle in the room containing tablets that would have hyped the singer up big time.

The bottle, which had no label, contained 13 tablets. Each tablet had a combination of ephedrine, caffeine and aspirin. The commercial sale of ephedrine -- a stimulant designed for weight loss -- is banned in the U.S. because of reports of heart attacks, strokes and even death.

Each pill contained 25 mg of ephedrine, 200 mg of caffeine and 80 mg of aspirin. The caffeine alone in each pill is equivalent nearly a 6-pack of coca cola.

One company that manufactures the drug warns against using it past mid-afternoon, because it will cause insomnia.

According to the toxicology results, ephedrine was present in Jackson's urine.


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Als dit waar is.....frikkin' DUH waarom ie niet kon slapen!

Maar Michael had al langer last van slaapproblemen. Die middagse bezoekjes aan Arnold Klein waren toch ook gearrangeerde 'siestas'?

MJ fans: Prepare for the Blame the Victim Defense by
Dr. Johnny Benjamin, Orthopedic Spine Surgeon, Medical Journalist
Posted: April 6, 2010 08:00 AM

Make no doubt about it. Conrad Murray (I will not do further damage to the profession of medicine by using his disgraced title) and his group of hired guns, otherwise known as defense attorneys, will sink to even lower depths as they try to save his freedom. For the record: I do not disparage all attorneys, only those that like their client will do anything for a buck. Or more correctly a lot of bucks.
When a perpetrator has no reasonable defense and nearly all hope is gone there is always one last desperate play: blame the victim.
I raped her cause she wanted it. The child had no loving father figure and wanted me to touch them. I only did it because I love her...She made me hit her. We've all heard it before and the world is very likely to hear it again when the victim, Michael Jackson, is put on trial instead of Conrad Murray.
The defense will spare no expense, truth or civility in their attempt to paint a very dark portrait of MJ the 'hopelessly addicted junkie' and probably far worse. They will add further spice as they include just a pinch of past troubles and allegations that have little if anything to do with his death. They will do their best to divert the attention away from their client and refocus the trial on the 'deeply troubled life of desperate man' that accidentally killed himself.
I pray (as a physician) that at the end of the day one question will be answered. Was it the reasonable standard of care in Los Angeles for a doctor to administer a powerful general anesthesia drug to a person in their bedroom that consequently caused the person (an alleged 'hopelessly addicted junkie or not) to die? Or was the doctor practicing sub-standard medicine, outside the scope of his training, in an inappropriate and insufficiently monitored setting?

Follow Dr. Johnny Benjamin on Twitter: www.twitter.com/drjcbenjamin


Source-The Huffington Post
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johnny..._b_526598.html

Interessant om te lezen wat de mening van een arts hierover is.

How Harlem Memorialized Michael Jackson

Despite a lengthy life of lyrical creativity, melodic song and entertainment wizardry pleasing to the mind and soul of all ages; as well as a humanitarian compassion devoted to healing and helping, Michael Jackson became a victim of unscrupulousness on part of enabling individuals and an unrelenting Media consistently portraying him negatively.

Equally, and despite his longstanding and enormous popularity and financial success, Oprah Winfrey believed Michael was a terribly “lonely man.” Never before in history has as gentle and caring a soul been so unrelentingly victimized in life, that even in death, such was equally expected because of the negative persona created around and to discredit Michael Jackson.

Michael Jackson, from his earliest age, developed a tremendously demanding work ethic that enabled him to master his craft, becoming the mega success he achieved. Evidence indicates he sold more than 750 million albums; created 18 Number One hit songs; and won 13 Grammy Awards. His song Thriller sold more than 109 million albums worldwide, all part of an unbelievable “Body of Work” that a “Time Line” clearly delineates. As such, for his labors, Michael Jackson was the only person twice inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, first as a member of the Jackson 5 and as a solo artiste.

In his career, Michael Jackson bridged racial, cultural, language, religious and geographical divides to bring people together under the banner of humanitarianism and expressions of love. He was respected by presidents, princes, prisoners and paupers reflecting the expansiveness of his influence due to his humanity and caring nature complimenting his artistic genius. The Guinness Book of World Records named Michael Jackson the most prolific, charitable entertainer ever, contributing to more than 38 charities some $300-500 million dollars. Yet, despite the seemingly unending negative campaign waged against the superstar in the Media; for many, there was a magical, mystical, almost mythical significance to this man, seemingly guided by divine inspiration and intuitive instruction.

"The Apollo Memorial," by Frederick Monderson, was therefore called to ensure Michael’s legacy would no longer be tarnished by the unending negativity that so disfigured his life and person. In some 20 Chapters interspersing 219 photographs Monderson chronicles and highlights Michael’s life and achievements and how Harlem celebrated his passing. As such, "The Apollo Memorial" preserves this unique experience in memorabilia format allowing posterity to recognize the goodness Michael Jackson represented and how the community of fans paid tribute for the wonderful milestones he provided to gladden their numerous rites of passage.

All of this the author seeks to capture in this volume in Tribute to a man of extraordinary artistry who worked tremendously hard to optimize his talents and become the very best in his profession, setting the bar above the rainbow and daring others to even attempt to reach much more scale it. Nevertheless, in process of his unspoken challenge, he dared others to do what he did through love, charity and his trust in humanity, all within the philosophical constructs of the fatherhood of god and the brotherhood of man.

About the Author: Monderson is a retired college professor and school teacher who taught African History in the City University of New York and American History and Government in the New York public schools. He has written more than 800 articles in the New York Black Press, Daily Challenge, Afro Times and New American newspapers.

In this venture, Monderson lends his expertise as a historian, Egyptologist, journalist and author of several books including "Barack Obama: Ready, Fit to Lead," "Sonny Carson: The Final Triumph," and several others.

A student of the esteemed Dr. Yosef ben-Jochannan, Dr. Monderson conducts tours to Egypt.

"Michael Jackson: The Apollo Memorial" is primarily available from the publisher and will be in bookstores as well as at Amazon.com. First Published by SuMon Publishers March 15, 2010, ISBN: 978-0-615-33289-5 LCCN: 22009943114

http://blackstarnews.com/news/133/ARTICLE/6442/2010-04-06.html

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Op woensdag 7 april 2010 23:13 schreef Dynd het volgende:
Dit is een beetje het Michael Jackson lange teksten nieuwstopic geworden,
Wel interessant om te lezen hoor, en begrijpelijk, omdat het meeste nu wel zo een beetje gezegd is in de voorgaande 90 topics.

@Virtual-Insanity
Elke week vinden ze wel weer wat nieuws uit die kamer of het huis.

Het is dan ook een hele grote kamer, in een heel groot huis.

Ongetwijfeld dat ze ook "secret rooms" hebben gevonden, net als in Neverland in 2003

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Op dinsdag 6 april 2010 20:05 schreef gifkwal het volgende:

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Als een junk een overdosis heroine wil, en zijn dokter geeft hem dat, is het dan de schuld van de junk dat hij dood is? Let wel, ik zeg niet dat MJ totaal geen schuld heeft aan zijn dood want ja, het was ZIJN verslaving, maar een goede dokter doet alleen wat goed is voor de patient, niet wat gunstig is voor zijn eigen portemonnee. Daarnaast heeft Murray allemaal fouten gemaakt. Wellicht had MJ gered kunnen worden zonder die fouten.

Ik heb ook begrepen dat in juni dus de preliminary hearing pas is, waarin de bewijslast wordt bekeken en zo. Pfff.

Ik ben het in principe met Cavalier eens. MJ heeft er zelf voor gekozen om met drugs en pijnstillers in de weer te zijn. Stel dat Murray hem niet voorzien zou hebben had hij wel iemand anders of een andere manier gevonden om hem te voorzien. Als dokter heeft Murray niet goed gehandelt maar MJ kocht in principe zijn dealers/dokters maar de enige schuldige blijft hij toch zelf. Murray is vast niet de enige arts geweest die vet betaald werd om MJ te voorzien.
Verder heb ik ook gelezen dat MJ (samen met Janet) in hun jonge jaren aan bleeching verslaafd waren want ze vonden hun donkere huid maar niks. Hierdoor zou bij MJ vitiligo zijn ontstaan.

misschien moet controlaltdeliet ff googelen op vitiligo

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Op donderdag 8 april 2010 15:21 schreef controlaltdelete het volgende:

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Ik ben het in principe met Cavalier eens. MJ heeft er zelf voor gekozen om met drugs en pijnstillers in de weer te zijn. Stel dat Murray hem niet voorzien zou hebben had hij wel iemand anders of een andere manier gevonden om hem te voorzien. Als dokter heeft Murray niet goed gehandelt maar MJ kocht in principe zijn dealers/dokters maar de enige schuldige blijft hij toch zelf. Murray is vast niet de enige arts geweest die vet betaald werd om MJ te voorzien.
Verder heb ik ook gelezen dat MJ (samen met Janet) in hun jonge jaren aan bleeching verslaafd waren want ze vonden hun donkere huid maar niks. Hierdoor zou bij MJ vitiligo zijn ontstaan.

Kom hiermee even lekker aan op een forum vol MJ-kenners Lees anders het autopsie-rapport even of zo, daar staat zwart op wit (no pun intended) dat hij aan vitiligo leed en dat hij daarom blank is geworden.

De dokter werd overigens betaald door de concertorganisator AEG.

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Op donderdag 8 april 2010 23:17 schreef gifkwal het volgende:

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Kom hiermee even lekker aan op een forum vol MJ-kenners Lees anders het autopsie-rapport even of zo, daar staat zwart op wit (no pun intended) dat hij aan vitiligo leed en dat hij daarom blank is geworden.

De dokter werd overigens betaald door de concertorganisator AEG.

Ik beweer ook niet dat hij niet aan vitiligo leed maar dat het onstaan ervan te wijten kan zijn aan overdadig gebruik van bleechcremes in zijn jonge jaren. Verder beweer ik ook niet dat Murray onschuldig is als behandelend arts. MJ was al jaren aan medicijnen verslaafd. Was hij niet verslaafd geweest dan had hij wellicht nog geleefd, dus in principe heeft hij het aan zichzelf te danken ook al zou Murray nalatig gehandeld hebben.

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Op vrijdag 9 april 2010 09:32 schreef controlaltdelete het volgende:

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Ik beweer ook niet dat hij niet aan vitiligo leed maar dat het onstaan ervan te wijten kan zijn aan overdadig gebruik van bleechcremes in zijn jonge jaren. Verder beweer ik ook niet dat Murray onschuldig is als behandelend arts. MJ was al jaren aan medicijnen verslaafd. Was hij niet verslaafd geweest dan had hij wellicht nog geleefd, dus in principe heeft hij het aan zichzelf te danken ook al zou Murray nalatig gehandeld hebben.

Heb je een bron voor de bewering dat je vitiligo kan krijgen door bleekcremes te gebruiken? Voor zover ik weet is het namelijk een auto-immuun ziekte die kan worden getriggerd door stress en/of traumatische ervaringen danwel genetische aanleg.

Natuurlijk heb je gelijk dat MJ nu niet dood zou zijn als hij niet aan pijnstillers e.d. verslaafd was geweest. Maar hij was waarschijnlijk ook niet dood geweest als Murray gewoon deed waarvoor hij betaald werd en waarvoor hij gestudeerd heeft (mag ik hopen) en niet zulke ongelovelijke debiele fouten heeft gemaakt. Daarom vind ik het wel terecht dat die rechtzaak er nu is. Iemand in een prive-omgeving een zwaar narcosemiddel toedienen dat normaal gezien alleen onder toezicht van een anaesthesist en in een ziekenhuis met alle nodige apparaten mag worden gebruikt is gewoon zwaar fout.

Mj had vitiligo, in het begin toen het goed zichtbaar werd heeft hij eerst de witte plekken donker gesminkt ,
toen de witte plekken groter werden en dit niet meer weg gewerkt kon worden heeft hij de donkere plekken gebleekt. Daarom werden er ook zoveel tubes bleekcreme gevonden.

Vitiligo is wat gifkwal zegt; auto-immuun ziekte die kan worden getriggerd door stress en/of traumatische ervaringen dan wel genetische aanleg.

Sorry, kan het niet laten om iets verder in te gaan op vitiligo/bleekcremes

Ik twijfel er niet aan dat hij bleekcremes is gaan gebruiken als gevolg van vitiligo, t.b.v. depigmentation therapy, wat meer vitiligo patienten ondergaan. Er zijn zat foto's te vinden waarop de vlekken door de make-up heen te zien zijn. Dit soort vlekken krijg je niet van een cremetje:

Bovendien is het zeer moeilijk om een gezonde huid compleet te bleken zoals bij hem het geval was. Dat soort bleekcremes werken alleen goed bij mensen waarbij het pigment is aangetast door bijv. vitiligo.

Hier een stukje over 1 van die bleekcremes:

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"Benoquin should never be used as a general lightening agent for people with normal dark skin because most will end up with disfiguring white streaks that can be worse than vitiligo. Patients with an unstable pigmentary system, such as those with vitiligo, depigment easily and usually completely."
Bron

En frappant: tijdens/na de Thriller-periode was zijn gezicht op sommige foto's lichtelijk rood uitgeslagen, wat sommigen later aan Lupus deed denken geloof ik:


But guess what:

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The major side effect of depigmentation therapy is inflammation (redness and swelling) of the skin.
Bron

En het verbaast mij dus ook niets dat hij rond die periode grote zonnebrillen, hoeden en handschoenen ging dragen..

Ok Gaan we nog even verder

Het ligt ook aan de ernst van de vitiligo, er zijn mensen die een milde vorm hebben en er zijn er ook die een zeer ernstige vorm hebben. Ik DENK dat mj een zeer ernstige vorm had.
Als je op sommige foto's van mj kijkt zie je best nog wel donkere vlekjes zitten, die bleekcremetjes gaan echt geen donkere huid helemaal wit maken. Daarbij is een vitiligo huid niet wit zoals wij wit zijn na een winter binnen zitten, daar zit nog behoorlijk veel verschil in,

en over op wat leukers hoor

tvp

Leuk filmpje, maar zo opgezet. Michael zei soms alleen maar 10x 'I love you' tijdens een concert. Best saai eigenlijk, jammer dat er zo weinig gemeend contact was met de fans.

ik ben er ook nog steeds hoor, dus ff een tvp

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Op zaterdag 10 april 2010 08:38 schreef Dynd het volgende:
Ik ben een hele grage slaper, alleen elk weekend is mijn bioritme weer verstoord door allerlij veel leukere dingen dan slapen. Meestal resulteerd dit in om twee uur 's middags wakker worden. Vandaag zou het niet anders zijn geweest als Michael me niet wakker had gezongen op m'n wekkerradio die ik normaal tegen de muur gooi. Beter wakker worden kan niet, ik ga maar eenz kijken hoe ik dat vaker kan doen.

Ik ga maar van m'n dag genieten. Thanks Michael.

(Typfouten voorbehouden, ben dus net wakker en op mobiel)

Kan je geen liedje instellen als wekker op je telefoon? (Met als risico dat je op een gegeven moment dat liedje gaat haten omdat het je elke ochtend bruut uit je slaap haalt ) En als je een ipod hebt met boxjes kan je daar geloof ik ook een liedje als wekker instellen.

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Op zaterdag 10 april 2010 12:52 schreef gifkwal het volgende:

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Kan je geen liedje instellen als wekker op je telefoon? (Met als risico dat je op een gegeven moment dat liedje gaat haten omdat het je elke ochtend bruut uit je slaap haalt ) En als je een ipod hebt met boxjes kan je daar geloof ik ook een liedje als wekker instellen.

Maar dan gaat het leuke verrassende effect weg, waardoor je wakker wilt blijven.

Wat heeft hij gele ogen op de onderste foto, is dat de opname van de foto, of??

Hooikoorts

Een van zijn beste foto's in de jaren 2000 - 2009

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Op zondag 11 april 2010 15:03 schreef SteelDogg het volgende:
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Een van zijn beste foto's in de jaren 2000 - 2009

Hier is hij ook niet zo lijkbleek, als dat hij soms was.

Dit was net na de rechtszaken in 2005. Zag er erg goed uit, maar dat komt waarschijnlijk ook door zn stemming

Helaas ging hij in 2006 erg achteruit , wat wel weer goedgemaakt werd in de jaren daarna, toen hij langzamaan weer beter uit ging zien

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Op zondag 11 april 2010 14:58 schreef gifkwal het volgende:
Hooikoorts

Nah ja, zijn gezicht is hier ook nogal erg rood, zal de foto wel zijn, is ook al een aardig oude foto.

http://i34.tinypic.com/8wgn79.jpg


haha

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Op zondag 11 april 2010 15:57 schreef tisikke het volgende:

haha

Voorbeeld van Michael's betrokkenheid en goedheid.

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Op zondag 11 april 2010 22:48 schreef Robijn48 het volgende:
Voorbeeld van Michael's betrokkenheid en goedheid.

Michael Jackson attended funeral of a baby thrown off bridge.Michael was a GREAT human being

Ja, mooi. Hij heeft trouwens het nummer Childhood aan die baby en zijn broertje opgedragen, staat ergens op het HIStory album.

Kent iemand deze? Zijn gezicht valt weg onder zijn haar

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Op maandag 12 april 2010 18:57 schreef Robijn48 het volgende:
Kent iemand deze? Zijn gezicht valt weg onder zijn haar

MIchael Jackson studio 54 FULL UNSEEN INTERVIEW - RARE

Wat een lief en ontspannen interview Dat is de echte Michael

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Op maandag 12 april 2010 18:57 schreef Robijn48 het volgende:
Kent iemand deze? Zijn gezicht valt weg onder zijn haar

MIchael Jackson studio 54 FULL UNSEEN INTERVIEW - RARE

Fascinerend, zeg. Zo zag je hem inderdaad zelden. En ik had geen flauw idee dat hij voor zijn lol naar clubs ging

_{(Ik lees net overigens dat de directeur van die Gardner school een auto-ongeluk heeft gehad en in het ziekenhuis ligt, net op de dag dat hij een afspraak had met wat fans om over die naam te spreken )}

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Op maandag 12 april 2010 22:15 schreef gifkwal het volgende:
_{(Ik lees net overigens dat de directeur van die Gardner school een auto-ongeluk heeft gehad en in het ziekenhuis ligt, net op de dag dat hij een afspraak had met wat fans om over die naam te spreken )}

Pfff, wat een pech

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Op maandag 12 april 2010 22:15 schreef gifkwal het volgende:
_{(Ik lees net overigens dat de directeur van die Gardner school een auto-ongeluk heeft gehad en in het ziekenhuis ligt, net op de dag dat hij een afspraak had met wat fans om over die naam te spreken )}

It's a conspiracy

Michael was a very dear friend who I can't believe is gone. It's still so confusing to me how this could happen to such a great person. We knew Michael not just as a entertainer, but as a friend that would call up on Mothers day and tell me Happy Mothers Day because he was thinking of me. He talked about his sister Janet alot. He loved hearing stories about Ryan and Andrea because he loved how close Andrea and Ryan was just like him and Janet. He talked a lot about his Mom and how I reminded him of his own mom. (I was really thrilled) ... See more

One thing I would love people to know about Michael. He was a superstar, entertainer, recording artist, but the silliest things made him happy, having simple fun, laughs, cartoons, playing jokes and making people happy.

I remember when Michael came to our house for Ryan's funeral and Michael spent a couple hours in Ryan's room, he just wanted to be close to Ryan. He just sit on his bed for hours. Michael later asked Andrea to see Ryan's red Mustang. Andrea took Michael outside in the front yard where we had Ryan's car surrounded with flowers from people all around the world. Michael got in and turned the car on and "Man In The Mirror" was playing. Michael knew that was the last song Ryan had been listening to. It just thrilled him to know that. It was the simple things that put a smile on his face. He later released "GONE TOO SOON" for Ryan but who would have known he would be joining Ryan and he too would be "GONE TOO SOON"

We Love You Michael
Jeanne White
Mother of Ryan White

TMZ:

Jackson Doc Was Under Investigation Before

Originally posted Jul 8th 2009 10:55 PM PDT by TMZ Staff

Dr. Conrad MurryDr. Conrad Murray -- the doctor who was at Michael Jackson's home the day he died -- was once under investigation for an alleged botched surgery.

In 2007, Dr. Murray drained fluid from the heart of a 67-year-old Las Vegas patient. The patient died after surgery. According to the coroner's investigation report, his wife was told by one of the docs her husband's heart was punctured during the procedure -- so she complained to the coroner's office.

The investigation report confirms that, during Dr. Murray's surgery, the patient suffered a puncture to the right ventricle of his heart, which was eventually listed as one of four causes of death on the autopsy report.

We spoke to the family, who told us they wanted to file a malpractice suit but it was too expensive -- in part because pursuing that kind of legal action requires testimony from another medical expert, and that costs a lot of money.

Altogether, the suit proved to be too much trouble and the family stayed quiet ... until now.


Lekker dan!!!

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Op woensdag 14 april 2010 12:38 schreef gifkwal het volgende:

Phone Call Between Michael Jackson & Ryan White (June 26,1989) Exclusive

Michael was a very dear friend who I can't believe is gone. It's still so confusing to me how this could happen to such a great person. We knew Michael not just as a entertainer, but as a friend that would call up on Mothers day and tell me Happy Mothers Day because he was thinking of me. He talked about his sister Janet alot. He loved hearing stories about Ryan and Andrea because he loved how close Andrea and Ryan was just like him and Janet. He talked a lot about his Mom and how I reminded him of his own mom. (I was really thrilled) ... See more

One thing I would love people to know about Michael. He was a superstar, entertainer, recording artist, but the silliest things made him happy, having simple fun, laughs, cartoons, playing jokes and making people happy.

I remember when Michael came to our house for Ryan's funeral and Michael spent a couple hours in Ryan's room, he just wanted to be close to Ryan. He just sit on his bed for hours. Michael later asked Andrea to see Ryan's red Mustang. Andrea took Michael outside in the front yard where we had Ryan's car surrounded with flowers from people all around the world. Michael got in and turned the car on and "Man In The Mirror" was playing. Michael knew that was the last song Ryan had been listening to. It just thrilled him to know that. It was the simple things that put a smile on his face. He later released "GONE TOO SOON" for Ryan but who would have known he would be joining Ryan and he too would be "GONE TOO SOON"

We Love You Michael
Jeanne White
Mother of Ryan White

Ryan White's mom recalls time with MJ

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Jackson Doc Was Under Investigation Before

Originally posted Jul 8th 2009 10:55 PM PDT by TMZ Staff

Dr. Conrad MurryDr. Conrad Murray -- the doctor who was at Michael Jackson's home the day he died -- was once under investigation for an alleged botched surgery.

In 2007, Dr. Murray drained fluid from the heart of a 67-year-old Las Vegas patient. The patient died after surgery. According to the coroner's investigation report, his wife was told by one of the docs her husband's heart was punctured during the procedure -- so she complained to the coroner's office.

The investigation report confirms that, during Dr. Murray's surgery, the patient suffered a puncture to the right ventricle of his heart, which was eventually listed as one of four causes of death on the autopsy report.

We spoke to the family, who told us they wanted to file a malpractice suit but it was too expensive -- in part because pursuing that kind of legal action requires testimony from another medical expert, and that costs a lot of money.

Altogether, the suit proved to be too much trouble and the family stayed quiet ... until now.


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Michael Jackson Wacky Claims Rejected

Originally posted Apr 12th 2010 2:15 PM PDT by TMZ Staff

TMZ has learned Michael Jackson's estate has rejected 6 creditor's claims, including one for a whopping $300,000,000.

Howard Weitzman, lawyer for the estate, just filed legal papers rejecting Allgood Entertainment's $300 mil claim over a Jackson family concert that got derailed because of the ill-fated London concerts.

Now for the wacky ones:

First up, Jose Freddie Vallejos, a pissed-off private citizen who wants $3.3 million so he can reimburse the City of L.A. for the Jackson memorial.

Next, Claire McMillan, who wants more than $2 million for her homeschooling services.

Nona Paris Lola Ankhesenamun Jackson claims to have been married to MJ and wants custody of the 3 kids ... the estate is telling her to pound sand.

And then there's Richard Lapointe, who wants $5 mil for an MJ memorabilia auction that was canceled.

Helen Harris-Scott has also been told to take a hike. She's demanding $50 mil because she claims Jacko had her phone wiretapped and had organized criminals watch her.

We're told the estate will be rejecting more claims .... soon.

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Michael Jackson: I wanted to become such a wonderful performer that I would get loved back.

... But his words are so haunting.

Michael Jackson:If it weren't for children, I would choose death.

Words of pain and torment.

Michael Jackson: Anybody else would probably be dead by now, or a junkie, with what I've been through.

Bitterness and rivalry.

Rabbi Shmuley: What about jealousy from other stars and things like that? Is there a lot of jealousy?

Michael Jackson: Absolutely ... and "M" is one of em. Madonna. Hate to say that on tape.

And a legendary star's deepest fears.

Rabbi Shmuley: Do you want to have a long life?

Michael Jackson: I think growing old is the ugliest, the most, the ugliest thing.

Rabbi Shmuley: I don't think that Michael Jackson will ever be looked at the same after this book. It's impossible. There's just too much rawness and honesty of Michael in this book for anyone to ever perceive him as the same.

Now, for the first time, spilling out across page, and on tape: Michael Jackson in his own words. Up until now, these recordings have never been released.

They're being played exclusively on NBC, along with the release of a new book: The Michael Jackson Tapes: A Tragic Icon Reveals His Soul In Intimate Conversation.

Author Rabbi Shmuley Boteach -- a relationship expert who calls himself "America's Rabbi" -- calls it "The King Of Pop Raw," exposed like never before.

Rabbi Shmuley: You could see that there was a woundednessto him, he wasn't very trusting, he opened up very slowly.

Meredith Vieira, NBC News: But one of the first questions that people might ask is "did you betray his confidence in any way by releasing these tapes now, after his death?"

Rabbi Shmuley: Not only have I not betrayed any confidences, Michael used to hold the tape recorders directly to his mouth. He would constantly talk to me about the book. “Make sure this is in the book." He desperately wanted this out.

He counted mega-celebrities like Diana Ross and Elizabeth Taylor among his closest friends. But this is Michael Jackson bluntly dissing Hollywood.

Rabbi Shmuley: Why don't you hang out with those celebrities, more Hollywood people?

Michael Jackson: They love the limelight and I don't have anything in common with them. They want to go clubbing and afterwards they want to sit around and drink hard liquor and do marijuana and all kinds of crazy things that I wouldn't do.

And forget the mask, the chimp, the baby dangling, and any other eccentric behavior we already know about. Here, Jackson talks openly about his oddest -- and saddest -- habits.

Michael Jackson: I needed someone. That's probably why I had, uh, the mannequins, I would say. Because I felt I needed people, someone, and I didn't have, I was too shy to be around real people. I love them, it's like real babies, and kids, and people, but it makes me feel like I am in a room with people.

Rabbi Shmuley first met Michael Jackson in 1999, and began recording their conversations a year later, when Jackson was 42 years old. Theirs was an unlikely friendship -- but the Orthodox rabbi had became a confidant and spiritual advisor to the King Of Pop.

Rabbi Shmuley: As we got to know each other more, I think he began to believe that I got him.

Meredith Vieira: Did he see in you then, Rabbi, the opportunity to be a regular guy?

Rabbi Shmuley: So many of us look at Michael as strange and weird, that's not what I experienced. He never wore a mask in my presence. The kids were never veiled in my presence. Michael wasn't a celebrity for me anymore.

Meredith Vieira: What did you see?

Rabbi Shmuley: Indescribable pain. Tremendous remorse and regret.

Shmuley says Jackson, who was still reeling from 1993 sexual abuse allegations, wanted the public to hear his voice.

Meredith Vieira: The plan was always to publish the conversations?

Rabbi Shmuley: Absolutely.

Meredith Vieira: But why did he want that out there? Why did he want a book of the conversations?

Rabbi Shmuley: He knew that the public was deeply suspicious of him. I think he wanted be known as a man without a mask.

During the nine-month period when the tapes were made, the rabbi says he and Jackson were so close, he considered him part of the family.

Shmuley's children still have Marshmallow, the dog Jackson gave them, along with fond memories of the many Friday nights when the King Of Pop joined them in Englewood, New Jersey for Sabbath dinner.

Rabbi Shmuley: He used to tell me they were the most special evenings of his life. He would arrive with Prince and Paris, very often his-- security detail would join us. And we would just sit around and Michael would just laugh and giggle.

Prince and Paris, who were toddlers at the time, were often in tow when the tape recorders were rolling too -- sometimes jumping right into the conversation.

Rabbi Shmuley: How old were you now?

Prince (in background): We're three! (laughter)

If the world sees him as the strange father who cloaked his children in masks, the tapes reveal the tender dad we didn't see.

Michael Jackson: Like I say to Prince and Paris, "You know why I bought you this?" They say "because you love me." I say "yes, that's why I bought it." They need to know that.

The rabbi says family bonding was such a central part of his friendship with Jackson that they began working on a national campaign to promote Friday nights as family night.

Rabbi Shmuley: A national family dinner time. Because families who eat with their children, it minimizes drug use, early sexuality, there are so many benefits.

It's a dream rooted in Jackson's own childhood scars.

Michael Jackson: If I had, if there were a children's day when I was little, and I looked at my father and say "OK, Daddy, Joseph,-what are we going to do today?", you know what that would've meant to me? He go "Well, want to go to the movies?" That would've meant so much to me, Shmuley. (tearing up)

With his tears sometimes audible, the Michael Jackson you'll hear now comes out from behind his mask, unveiling a man few people knew –or could ever comprehend.

Michael Jackson: And I'm -- I'm going to say something I've never said it before, uh, um, and this is the truth, Shmuley. I-- I have no reason to lie to you. God knows I'm telling the truth. I think all my success and fame --and I've wanted it. I've wanted it. Because I wanted to be loved. That's all.


As the lead singer of the Jackson 5, Michael Jackson was a childhood sensation. But behind his beaming smile, there was searing pain.

Michael Jackson: It's true, Shmuley. I suffered a lot in that way.

Rabbi Shmuley: Michael had a broken childhood. There were always two Michael Jacksons. There was Michael Jackson, African-American boy from Gary, Indiana, who grew up in abject poverty. And then, there was the King Of Pop.

Jackson, the King Of Pop, has talked about Michael, the boy, before ... But never like this. In unsettling detail, he opens up about his fear of his father and manager, Joe Jackson.

Michael Jackson: You'd look in the audience, and he'd make a face like this. You'd go,"I can't mess up, he's gonna kill us.” It would scare the bejesus out of you and you'd be like, everybody's clapping and he'd be like, like looking at you hard, like "Don't you mess up" and you know, I'm like, "Oh God, I'm in trouble after the show."

Rabbi Shmuley: There was no one on Michael's mind more than his father Joseph, no one. His father came up constantly, usually in painful, negative stories.

Jackson told Shmuley that growing up, he and his siblings would dread the moment their father came home.

Michael Jackson: We'd hear his car comin' the driveway. He always drove a big Mercedes and he drives real slow. "Joseph's home, Joseph's home, quick!" Doors slam, everybody runs to their room.

Like there's sometimes I'd be in bed at night sleeping, it's 12 at night. The door is locked. He said, "I'm giving you five seconds, you don't open, I'm going to kick it down." And he starts kicking it, boom! Like breaking the door down. Why didn't you sign that contract today? I go, "I don't know." He goes, "Well, sign it. If you don't sign it, you are in trouble."

Rabbi Shmuley: So you would sign?

Michael Jackson: I had to! He would, he was very physical. He'd throw you and hit you as hard as he can.

And as Michael describes to the rabbi, they were beatings that sometimes got brutal.

Michael Jackson: He was rough. The way he would beat you, you know, was hard, you know. Sometime he take, um, he would make you strip nude first. He would oil you down. It would be a whole ritual. He would oil you down so when the flip of the ironing cord hit you, you know. And it would just like be dying and you had whips all over your face, your back, everywhere. And I always hear my mother, "No, Joe! You're gonna kill 'em. You're gonna kill 'em, no!" I would just give up, like there was nothing I could do, you know? And I, and I hated him for it, hated him.

Rabbi Shmuley: Michael was terrified of his father.

Terrified, and also resentful.

Rabbi Shmuley: Did you begin to feel that you were like a moneymaking machine for him?

Michael Jackson: Yes. I'll never forget it, one day he said, "If you guys ever stop singing, I'll drop you like a hot potato." That's what he said. It hurt me. You don't say that to children and I never forgot it.

It was a shunning of affection that colored almost all Jackson's childhood memories of his father.

Michael Jackson: I never felt love from him. And he would never hold me or touch me.

Rabbi Shmuley: He only has one memory of his father ever doing anything loving for him as a child. He was about 5 years old. He was at a carnival. And his father picked him up and put him on a horse. And he said he has relived that moment almost every day of his life. Michael learned the devastating effects of neglecting a child.

Jackson told Shmuley his sadness created a torment so wrenching that he and his siblings even fantasized about their father being dead.

Michael Jackson: We used to say to our mother, we used to say to each other, and I'll never forget this. Janet and myself, we say, I would say, "Janet, shut your eyes." She'd go, "Okay, they're shut." I'd say, "Picture Joseph in a coffin. He's dead. Did you feel sorry?" She'd go, "No." That's what we used to do to each other as kids. We'd like play games like that. She'd go, she'd go, "Nope." Just like that. And that's how hateful we were.

Jackson's siblings have said in the past that Joe Jackson was hard on them, but their descriptions are inconsistent. And Joe Jackson has said he whipped his son, but never beat him. A spokesman for the Jackson family told us "The family will not dignify this with a comment."

Meredith Vieira: You've met Joe Jackson.

Rabbi Shmuley: I have.

Meredith Vieira: Does this ring true to you, does it make sense to you?

Rabbi Shmuley: What's not important, as far as Michael is concerned, is whether or not these allegations are true, they may not be true, but Michael certainly perceived them to be true.

And like most things in Jackson's life, nothing was black and white. At times, he spoke fondly of his father -- crediting him with much of his own success.

Michael Jackson: And God bless my father because he did some wonderful things, and he was brilliant, he was a genius.

Meredith Vieira: He always talks about how brilliant his dad was.

Rabbi Shmuley: Michael was wrestling with his anger and his disappointment.

Rabbi Shmuley: And how do you view him today?

Michael Jackson: I'm scared of my father to this day. My father walk in the room -- and God knows I'm telling the truth. I've fainted in his presence many times. I'll say once, to be honest. I fainted once. I've thrown up in his presence because just when he comes in the room, ugh, this aura comes and my stomach start hurting and I know like I'm in trouble. And now, he's so different now. And he wants to be a better father. I just wished he had of learned that earlier.

Rabbi Shmuley: Why are you still scared then?

Michael Jackson: Because the scar is still there. I'm like an angel in front of him, I'm scared. One day he said "Why are you scared of me?" And I couldn't answer. I thought, I said, “Joseph, do you know what you've done? Do you know what you've done to me?"

Rabbi Shmuley: I think that it was Michael's inability to be reconciled with his father that ultimately, more than anything else, consumed him.

Meredith Vieira: Because?

Rabbi Shmuley: Because he wanted his father's validation and love more than anything else.

Meredith Vieira: And when he didn't get it?

Rabbi Shmuley: He couldn't heal. Millions of fans couldn't heal him.


He may well have been the most famous celebrity of all time -- imitated, adored, and revered by fans around the world. But Michael Jackson's conversations with Rabbi Shmuley reveal a man that almost no-one knew, so wounded by his father's neglect that all he ached for was love.

Michael Jackson: I wanted to become such a wonderful performer that I would get loved back.

Rabbi Shmuley: You thought if you became a great star, very successful and loved by the world, your father would love you too?

Michael Jackson: Mmhmm.

Rabbi Shmuley: So you could change him that way.

Michael Jackson: Mmhmm. I was hoping I could, I was hoping I could get love from other people. I needed it, real bad, you know?

Rabbi Shmuley: A guy whose career was world famous and now he's saying "It wasn't ‘cause I love music, it wasn't because I love dancing." It was because I'm so lonely.

Meredith Vieira: Rabbi, how did you come to the conclusion that he wasn't sort of, you know, making up excuses for you too? "Oh, I'm this way because my father was mean to me"?

Rabbi Shmuley: You can't fake sincerity. He cried through much of these tapes. He was just gasping for breath at times. I mean, this was a confessional that he had never really undergone.

With surprising honesty -- as you've never heard him before -- Michael Jackson talks candidly about race. He believes his broad appeal to white fans made him suffer more than any famous black star before him.

Michael Jackson: You had Belafonte, you had Sammy, you had Nat King Cole. People loved their music, but they didn't get adulation, they didn't get crying. I was the first one to break the ice, break the mold, where white girls, Scottish girls, Irish girls screaming, "I'm in love with you, I want to -" And that gave a lot of the white press, they didn't like that, and that's why they started the stories. "He's weird." "He's gay." "He sleeps in a hyperbaric chamber." "He wants to buy the Elephant Man bones" -- anything that turn people against me. They tried their hardest.

In addition to accusing the press of racism, Jackson divulges painful stories about the ugly overtones of race that hovered over his family, long after he became a superstar.

Michael Jackson: My mother - she was pulling out of the market, right, it was a block from my house in Encino and she was in her Mercedes. And this white guy in a car screams out to her, "Go back to Africa, you n***ger." Just like that. It hurt me so much that that happened to be mother. Or stories of my brothers in their Rolls-Royces, you know, get out of the car, lock the door, when they come back to the car they would find a key, some guy walked by and scrape off all the paint.

Shmuley Boteach: 'Cause it was a black man driving it?

Michael Jackson: A black man driving a Rolls Royce, you know. I just hate anything to do with because the color of a person's skin had nothing to do with the content of their character.

And despite being one of the most influential entertainers of all time, Jackson says he never understood why he still couldn't catch a break from the press, even when he wrote ballads like "earth song" and focused on making the world a better place.

Michael Jackson: I've been an ambassador of goodwill all over the world, spreading this message, did we do heal the world, treaty of all nations, circling this huge globe? What I don't understand is just singing about sex and "I want to get in a hot tub with you baby and rub you all over" and, but I get battered in the press as the weirdo.

Michael Jackson: And the press, they wait--wait with knives, really...

Shmuley Boteach: For you to fail?

Michael Jackson: Absolutely. They try and shred me apart. Because when you are the top-selling artist of all time, the records that are broken, they wait. You're the target now. Get him down, get him, you know what I mean?

As he opened up to the rabbi, Jackson could sound narcissistic.

Michael Jackson: Going to my shows, it's like a religious experience, because you come out, you go in one person, you come out a different person.

But more often, he sounds anguished and sad. The star who spent his adult life morphing from one look to another, actually admits his own face repulses him.

Michael Jackson: I saw it on the computer, it made me sick when I saw it.

Rabbi Shmuley: Why?

Michael Jackson: I look like a lizard, I look like, it's horrible. I don't like it, I never like it. That's why I wish I could never be photographed or seen and I push myself to go to the things that we go to.

Michael Jackson: I just don't want to look old. I hate to see people grow old, Shmuley.

Meredith Vieira: He didn't want to see himself in the mirror with wrinkles. He had a whole thing about getting older. Did he ever talk to you about plastic surgery?

Rabbi Shmuley: I used to always tell him that he had to stop. He swore to me he did. But he didn't.

Jackson also shared with the rabbi some disturbing details about his eating habits -- confessing that on his dangerous tour, his friend Elizabeth Taylor literally had to force him to eat.

Michael Jackson: I wouldn't eat. She took the spoon and would put it into my mouth.

Rabbi Shmuley: Really?

Michael Jackson: When I get really upset or hurt, I don't eat. I go on a food, I just get - until I'm unconscious. Then they started doing it intravenously, you know, because I just, my body breaks down, I won't eat.

And then there were the drugs. Although Shmuley says he never saw Jackson actually taking them, he did tell the star he was concerned -- especially after one doctor complained that Jackson had asked for a dose of drugs that could kill a horse.

Rabbi Shmuley: He medicated away all his problems. When a man is slowly making his body into a walking pharmacy, it was so obvious: Michael's drugs were primarily an escape from loneliness

Even back in 2001, Michael Jackson seemed to be drowning in an ocean of despair. In fact, the only thing that seemed to keep him going was his love for children.

Rabbi Shmuley: So what gave you the strength to persevere?

Michael Jackson: Believing in children. Believing in young people. Believing that God gave me this for a reason, to help my babies.

Little did he know how soon that belief -- and one child in particular -- would lead to accusations that this time would forever tarnish his career.


If Michael Jackson was a man who never had a childhood, he seemed to spend most of his adulthood chasing it. If he could, he told the rabbi, he would stay a child forever.

Michael Jackson: I would love to come back as as a child that never grows old, like Peter Pan.

In fact, even at age 27, when “Thriller” was topping the charts, the King Of Pop was still living at home with Mom and Dad.

Michael Jackson: I thought I was still this little kid. It's not time for me to go yet. I said I'm still a boy. I'm not supposed to leave home yet. I really felt that in my heart.

And when he did finally move out, Michael Jackson remained as childlike as ever -- famously naming his ranch "Neverland" -- a place where he surrounded himself with laughing children, and relished playing games like hide-and-go seek.

Michael Jackson: I see beauty in all children. They all beautiful to me. They're so beautiful and I love them all -- equally.

Rabbi Shmuley: He wanted to have an ordinary life. But for him, ordinary meant reversing to his childhood. That if he could just build Neverland and have rides, which he didn't have when he was a kid. If he could just have monkey bars and merry-go-rounds, which he didn't have when he was a kid, that he would heal.

But Neverland was a place where innocence and darkness would collide as the real motives behind the King Of Pop's connection to children raised unsettling questions.

Rabbi Shmuley: He didn't like talking about that. That was very painful for him. To the extent that he talked about it, he would say that it was a lie-- it was a lie.

What Jackson does talk openly about on tape -- at great length - is his deep empathy for children, telling the rabbi he can't bear to see them suffer.

Michael Jackson: It can be in a movie or I could be in a department store and I'll hear someone arguing at their child, I break down and cry. Because it reflects how I was treated when I was little. I cry -- I break down at that moment and I shake and I cry. I can't take it. It's hard.

Jackson didn't just love children, he told the rabbi. He needed them -- they were his refuge, his saviors.

Michael Jackson: The happiness and the joy that I see in the eyes of the children. They give me-- they saved my life so I want to, give it back [starts crying]. They saved me, Shmuley. I'm not joking.

Meredith Vieira: He says children have literally saved his life. What did he mean?

Rabbi Shmuley: That it's the only thing left he has to live for. He had achieved all his dreams. He'd become a billionaire, but that didn't make him happy. He had become the most recognizable face on earth, arguably, but that didn't make him happy. The only thing that did was to learn from the pain of his absent childhood, to teach others that children are precious. And that gave him purpose.

But it was a mission Jackson seemed to take to an extreme -- even telling the rabbi he sees himself as a universal father who has the power to heal sick children.

Rabbi Shmuley: Do you feel that God gave you a certain healing power?

Michael Jackson: Yes. And I've seen children just shower all over me with love. They want to just touch me and hug me and completely just hold on and cry and not let go. And mothers pick their babies and put them into my arms. "Touch my baby, and hold them, touch my baby, touch my baby."

Meredith Vieira: He did see himself as somewhat of a Messiah, with healing powers

Rabbi Shmuley: He would say to me, "I want to devote my whole life to helping kids, that's the only thing that's important to me." And I would say, "You can help kids. But you're not their parent. Stop believing you're the child's Messiah."

In august of 2000, Jackson invited Rabbi Shmuley and his family to Neverland. At the very same time, a young boy, a 13-year-old cancer patient, was also visiting.

Michael Jackson: Every time I talk to him, he is in a better spirit.

Rabbi Shmuley: You're healing him, not just speaking to him?

Michael Jackson: I KNOW I'm healing him. He says, "I need you Michael." Then he calls me "Dad." I go, "You better ask your Dad if it is OK for you to call me that." He goes, "Dad, is it OK if I call Michael 'Dad?'" [laughs] And he says, "Yeah, no problem, whatever you want." [laughs]. Kids always do that and I always feel that I don't want the parents to get jealous that it happens sometimes and it rubs fathers in a strange way. And the kids end up just falling in love with my personality. Sometimes it gets me into trouble, you know, but I'm just there to help.

Three years later, that boy would accuse Michael Jackson of molesting him during that sleepover visit to Neverland. And though Jackson was ultimately vindicated after a 14-week trial, the charges would forever tarnish Jackson's name.

Meredith Vieira: You went to Neverland. You were there when that boy was there.

Rabbi Shmuley: Correct.

Meredith Vieira: Did you ever see anything untoward? Did you get the feeling there's something odd here?

Rabbi Shmuley: No, I never saw anything.

And, Shmuley says, the singer had repeatedly -- and emphatically -- denied similar allegations lodged against him in 1993, when another 13-year-old boy who had traveled around the world with Jackson filed a civil suit against him.

Meredith Vieira: All of the attraction that he had to children, and the attention that he paid to children, you believe all of it was innocent?

Rabbi Shmuley: I don't know. What was certainly true is that he wasn't a monster. He may have done something that was unforgiveable even, but that didn't make him a monster.

If the King Of Pop was drawn to children, he was often shy and awkward with women, as you'll hear in candid revelations about his celebrity dates, and crushes, from Madonna to Brooke Shields to Princess Diana.


On Tape, Michael Jackson is a man full of contradictions.

Michael Jackson: I pray when I see something totally magnificent. How could you not see that and go "Wow, what a good God"?

Reflective and grateful at times, so self-absorbed and brazen at others, that he sounds almost delusional about his power.

Rabbi Shmuley: You believe if you were face to face with Hitler you could have...

Michael Jackson: Absolutely.

Rabbi Shmuley: You really think you could have gotten through to Hitler?

Michael Jackson: Yes. Mm hmm.

Rabbi Shmuley: By finding the good in him somehow?

Michael Jackson: Yes, I think I could have. I really do. I think nobody really talked to him. I hate to say -- brownnosers. But that's what they were. That's what he wanted. That's what they did.

Meredith Vieira: On the one side, he seems to be very self-loathing, hates what he sees in the mirror, insecure. On the other hand, he paints himself to be somebody who could heal sick children, who could turn Hitler around.

Rabbi Shmuley: Unbelievable statements. He was either showing me an incredibly wholesome side that made you fall in love with the kind of person he was, or a strange, bizarre dimension messiah complex. Insatiable for attention.

When it comes to women, the King Of Pop sounds especially conflicted. He describes his mom Katherine as nothing short of saintly.

Michael Jackson: I don't know anybody like her, she's like a Mother Teresa. There's very few people like that.

Rabbi Shmuley: He adored his mother and cherished her.

Meredith Vieira: And yet, when he talks about other women, you got the sense that he didn't trust women.

Rabbi Shmuley: Michael exhibited tendencies of misogyny. That women are materialistic, that women want things from you.

Michael Jackson: Women can do some things that make guys very unhappy. I've seen it with my brothers. I've seen my brothers crying, in tears and pulling the grass out of the lawn out of frustration because of their wives.

Jackson describes women as manipulative, disappointing. Here, he talks about how badly Lisa Marie Presley let him down when she didn't want children.

Michael Jackson: She promised me that before we married, that would be the first thing we'd do is have children. So I was broken-hearted and I walked around all the time holding these little baby dolls and I'd be crying, that's how badly I wanted it, you know.

For a 42-year-old man, the immaturity that comes across on Michael Jackson's tapes is startling. Sometimes, he sounds just like a teenager.

Michael Jackson: I've never asked a girl out in my life, they have to ask me.

Rabbi Shmuley: Really?

Michael Jackson: Yeah. I can't ask a girl out.

Had he been able to muster up the courage, Jackson told Rabbi Shmuley there was a certain princess who would have been at the top of his list.

Michael Jackson: I liked the way Lady Diana would make her kids wait in line, you know, at amusement parks and things. Like everybody. I thought that was so beautiful. She was good.

Rabbi Shmuley: You felt an immediate connection with her?

Michael Jackson: Yeah, I loved her very much. Yeah, she was my type, she was my type for sure.

There was no date with Lady Di. But romance was definitely in the air when the King Of Pop stepped out with other high profile celebs. Tatum O'Neal was his first girlfriend.

Michael Jackson: When I held Tatum's hand, I was, like, in heaven. It was the most magical thing. It was better than kissing her, it was better than anything. I remember we went to this club, and I don't go to clubs, which was called the Roxy. And I watching the band, I was sitting there, and underneath the table, she was holding my hand, and I was, like. melting.

Rabbi Shmuley: She held your hand and you felt love?

Michael Jackson: Fireworks going off.

The song “Pretty Young Thing” could easily have been inspired by his affection for Brooke Shields.

Michael Jackson: That was one of the loves of my life. I think she loved me as much as I loved her, you know? We dated a lot. We, we went out a lot. Her pictures were all over my wall, my mirror, everything. And I went to the Academy Awards with Diana Ross and this girl walks up to me and says "Hi, I'm Brooke Shields." Then she goes "Are you going to the after-party?" I go, "Yeah." "Good, I'll see you at the party." I'm going "Oh my God, does she know she's all over my room?" So we go the after-party. She comes up to me she goes, "Will you dance with me?" I went, "Yes. I will dance with you." Man, we exchanged numbers and I was up all night, singing, spinning around my room, just so happy. It was great.

At Jackson's memorial service, Shields would reflect tearfully on their tender bond.

Brooke Shields: When we were together, we were two little kids having fun.

Meredith Vieira: Did you get the feeling talking to him that he ever got beyond that sort of that adolescent approach to romance, the kind of giggly, almost kid-like?

Rabbi Shmuley: For me, it was actually something, you know, it was a blessing to see such a famous man saying that holding hands was suddenly so special. But if you asked me in general, do I think that there was an adolescent quality to Michael? Of course.

It's a quality that made for an odd match with one star who wasn't the least bit shy about doing the asking out:

Madonna (at the MTV music awards): I asked him out to dinner: I said, “My treat, I'll drive, just you and me.”

Jackson was all smiles in the car. But on these tapes, he reveals that the material girl's saucy ways felt more than a little dangerous.

Michael Jackson: You know, at the time I was with Madonna, she was into books, all over, a whole collec--like a library of books of women who were tied to walls, different things. She said, "I love spanky books." Why would I want to see that? I think she likes shock value.

Madonna laid down the law to me before we went out. "I am not going to Disneyland, okay? That's out." I said "I didn't ask you to go Disneyland." She said, “We are going to the restaurant and afterwards we are going to a strip bar." I am not going to a strip bar, where they cross dress. Guys who are, are girls. Said "I am not going to go there,” and I think afterwards she wrote some mean things about me in the press and I said that she's a nasty witch.

Rabbi Shmuley: Michael's tough on Madonna in the book. And he seems to be saying that the reason is that Madonna tried to drag him into a world of prurience. And maybe there was somewhat of a rivalry between them.

Whether it was a true rivalry or not, Jackson does paint Madonna as envious when he talks about jealousy in Hollywood.

Michael Jackson: They admire you and know you're wonderful and great but just they're jealous 'cause they wish they were in your place, wish they were in your shoes. And "M" is one of 'em. Madonna. She's not a nice, she hasn't been kind -

Rabbi Shmuley: She's jealous?

Michael Jackson: Absolutely. She's a woman and I think that's what bothers her. Women don't scream for other women. men are too cool to scream for women and i get that. I get the fainting and the adulation and the notoriety but she doesn't. She can't get that.

But like Brooke Shields, Madonna had only fond memories of her time with Jackson when she hailed him in a moving speech at the MTV video music awards.

Madonna: We sat on the couch like two kids, and somewhere in the middle of the film, his hand snuck over and held mine. It felt like he was looking for a friend more than a romance and I was happy to oblige him.

And Shmuley suspects that now, Jackson would be far less harsh on his friend Madge than he was in the tapes recorded 9 years ago.

Rabbi Shmuley: At the time, you know, Madonna had a certain image. She has-- changed that image substantially. Michael -- used to speculate that as a mother, she would change. And he probably would agree with that today.

One thing was clear though -- to the rabbi, Jackson seemed incapable of sustaining any meaningful relationship with a woman. And with no adult love in his life, was the writing on the wall?


He talked about vanishing.

Michael Jackson: I would like to- some kind of way disappear, where people don't see me anymore.

His fear of growing old...

Michael Jackson: I just don't want to look old and start forgetting.

And hauntingly, his own death.

Michael Jackson: When the body breaks down, and you start to wrinkle, I think it's so bad.

Rabbi Shmuley: So you would die before that happens?

Michael Jackson: Uh.. I don't want to grow old.

Rabbi Shmuley: You don't want to die young?

Michael Jackson: Um, you're asking me an interesting question. You sure you want my answer?

He couldn't stand the thought of himself with gray hair -- and at 42, Michael Jackson was already fixated on his final resting place.

Michael Jackson: I want to be buried right where there's children. I would feel safer that way. I want them next to me. I need their spirit.

Meredith Vieira: There are a number of comments that Michael made to you in these tapes that in light of his premature death are-- are eerie.

Rabbi Shmuley: Michael said to me constantly, "If I can't help kids, then I will find a way to terminate my life."

Meredith Vieira: Did he have a death wish?

Rabbi Shmuley: He lost the will to live. Did that mean that he consciously wanted to die? Probably not. I think he was just going through the motions of life toward the end and medicating away almost any kind of human response.

In 2001, after counseling Michael Jackson for two years -- and capturing 30 hours of his innermost thoughts on tape-- Rabbi Shmuley cut ties with the star.

He says the King Of Pop was slipping from his reach, so lured by the pull of fame -- and the seduction of pain numbing drugs -- that he completely lost interest in their philanthropic projects.

Rabbi Shmuley: For two years, I really felt that I was making headway in helping Michael restructure his life, but once I saw that Michael was treating my advice as if I were a nuisance. I had to end our relationship. Was I gonna applaud as he slowly self-immolated? If I'm just another someone who's afraid to tell him that he's got to stop doing drugs, then what was I doing there?

Meredith Vieira: But was there a part of you, as a rabbi, as somebody who had explored his deepest pain with him, who felt, I'm deserting him?

Rabbi Shmuley: If I had gone back, Meredith, not only would I not have helped him, I would have been dragged into that destructive vortex, and I would have needed help.

To the rabbi, the tragic writing was already on the wall. In 2004, he stated publicly that he feared the worst.

Rabbi Shmuley: That Michael will be dead in a few years. He is headed toward Elvis, Marilyn Monroe, Janice Joplin. It's almost inescapable.

Still, the rabbi was devastated, when at age 50, Michael Jackson did suddenly die.

Meredith Vieira: Your initial reaction to his death was anger.

Rabbi Shmuley: My first reaction was, you stupid, stupid man, how could you do this? How could you orphan your children? Your children have no mother.

Meredith Vieira: Is that what hurt you most, the fact that he is not there to father his children anymore?

Rabbi Shmuley: What hurt me most is that Michael threw away his life, and God endowed this special man with talent that the rest of us could only dream of. Why did it have to end tragically?

Michael Jackson: I want to always be youthful and have the energy to run around and play hide and seek, which is one of my favorite games.

It is Michael Jackson's own voice, his own words, his deeply personal revelations - that now make the rabbi hopeful that in some way America can make sense of his death, that we can learn something.

Rabbi Shmuley: Michael's life demands redemption. You can't have someone die at 50 from an overdose and not try to learn some moral lesson.

Michael Jackson: I wanted to become such a wonderful performer that I would get loved back. I was hoping I could get love from other people.

Shmuley believes the book, and the tapes, will help the public see in Jackson a tragic example of what happens when the scars of neglect never heal.

Rabbi Shmuley: A world renowned superstar invites the public into the pain of his childhood, so that parents would learn from that they will now truly understand the horrors that were visited on him.

Meredith Vieira: But forgive me Rabbi, some people are gonna look at the book and say "Well, wait a minute, the book comes out after Michael Jackson has died, but you profit off the book.

Rabbi Shmuley: Well Meredith, let's remember. I've written 21 books, so publishing books is what I do. This book earned a modest advance. Much of the proceeds are gonna be used for organizations that promote family and values. This book is a redemptive book, and it's a beautiful book.

Michael Jackson: I've seen the worst, the nightmare of the human condition, the human soul, of what I would never even think common man would be capable of behaving in such a way.

Meredith Vieira: When you hear his voice now, when you play those tapes over, what do you hear in that voice?

Rabbi Shmuley: It's the saddest thing in the world. A man trying to break through this-- this cage. A man trying to break through the people's perception, the fame, saying, "I'm a person."

Rabbi Shmuley: You're not angry at God, you're not angry at the world?

Michael Jackson: I'm not angry -- I'm very, taken by it. I'm hurt. I cry an awful lot.

Michael Jackson: I think all my success and fame and - I've wanted it, I've wanted it because I wanted to be loved. That's all.

Michael Jackson's tapes leave us clues, but like other tragic icons before him, questions will linger for years about the broken soul behind the mask.

Heb ik al eerder gelezen, maar heartbreaking verhaal met een imo zeer ware kern van waarheid erin.

Zo zonde.

Bovenstaande staat allemaal in het boek: the Michael Jackson tapes.
Heartbreaking.

Heb het zojuist allemaal doorgelezen.
Heartbreaking inderdaad.

Het klinkt wel allemaal alsof Michael dat ook gezegd kan hebben maar ik zou het toch willen horen ipv lezen.

Zullen we altijd van die tegenstrijdige berichten blijven horen over dat hij gelukkig of ongelukkig was? Of heeft hij echt zo een gespleten persoonlijkheid dat hij zich écht de ene dag niet gelukkig voelde en dat ook zei tegen de mensen en zich de dag daarna wel gelukkig voelde en dit ook zei tegen de mensen.
Ik snap het niet hoor.

En ook over Joe. Zo praten over Joe en toch zat Joe elke dag in de rechtzaal. Dat is toch dubbel?

Die tapes staan gewoon op Youtube hoor

Allemaal? Want hij heeft toch een boe ervan gemaakt. Als ze allemaal op internet staan koopt toch niemand dat boek?

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Op zondag 18 april 2010 09:38 schreef MJ44ever het volgende:
Allemaal? Want hij heeft toch een boe ervan gemaakt. Als ze allemaal op internet staan koopt toch niemand dat boek?

Dat weet ik eerlijk gezegd niet. Maar wat hierboven allemaal geschreven staat heb ik al een keer op tape gehoord. Maar dat zullen dan wel de stukjes zijn die Schmuley zelf heeft uitgebracht.

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Op zaterdag 17 april 2010 08:16 schreef MJ44ever het volgende:
Het klinkt wel allemaal alsof Michael dat ook gezegd kan hebben maar ik zou het toch willen horen ipv lezen.

Zullen we altijd van die tegenstrijdige berichten blijven horen over dat hij gelukkig of ongelukkig was? Of heeft hij echt zo een gespleten persoonlijkheid dat hij zich écht de ene dag niet gelukkig voelde en dat ook zei tegen de mensen en zich de dag daarna wel gelukkig voelde en dit ook zei tegen de mensen.
Ik snap het niet hoor.

En ook over Joe. Zo praten over Joe en toch zat Joe elke dag in de rechtzaal. Dat is toch dubbel?

Het staat dus op tape, en het is onmiskenbaar Michael die je hoort.
Of alle gesprekken in het boek zijn opgenomen weet ik ook niet (ook al heb ik het boek), waarschijnlijk heeft Schmuley de markantste uitspraken eruit gepikt.

Weet je...ik denk dat het allemaal niet zo zwart wit was wat zijn vader betreft. Hij heeft duidelijk liefde van zijn vader gemist, hem dat ook kwalijk genomen, maar ondertussen ging het leven wel gewoon door. Daar komt bij dat het een muzikale familie betrof, die 1 lijn wilden trekken naar de buitenwereld.
Ik denk dat hij zijn hele leven geworsteld heeft met zijn gevoelens voor zijn vader. En hopelijk heeft Joe Jackson het later beter willen doen...zoals tijdens de rechtzaak.
Michael was een gevoelig en intelligent persoon. Dat maakt ook veel uit, denk ik.

Oeps, beetje groot

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Oeps, beetje groot

Dat was altijd zo lief, hoe hij van die briefjes uit hotelramen smeet en zo.

Het tweede plaatje doet het niet bij mij.

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Op zondag 18 april 2010 22:02 schreef gifkwal het volgende:

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Dat was altijd zo lief, hoe hij van die briefjes uit hotelramen smeet en zo.

Het tweede plaatje doet het niet bij mij.

Oh pfff is het weer zover. Bij mij is die dus goed te zien (veel te goed, want veel te groot, maar weet niet hoe te verkleinen) maar hij zal wel weer weg zijn morgen ofzo.

Ja, pizza's, briefjes, ballonnen, van alles kwam er uit die ramen

dit mag ik graag lezen het is even een flinke lap tekst maar zeker de moeite waard


By Christopher Hamilton
(January 5, 2006)
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What do you think of when you hear the name, Michael Jackson? Wacko? Criminal? Great Entertainer? Businessman? Whatever you think of MJ, throw all your thoughts out of the window and let's examine some facts. For years the media has labeled him "Wacko Jackson." What happened to MJ? Wasn't he the biggest thing in music at one point? When did he go crazy?
All anyone has to do is look when Michael started being portrayed as "Crazy." It wasn't during the "Thriller" years. It's cool being a song and dance man. That's what they want. DON'T DARE BECOME A THINKING BUSINESSMAN. DON'T DARE BUY THE BEATLES CATALOG. DON'T DARE MARRY ELVIS' DAUGHTER. DON'T DARE BEAT THE RECORD INDUSTRY AT THEIR OWN GAME. Michael started being labeled crazy when he began making business moves that no one had been successful at doing.
Michael took two cultural icons and shattered them to pieces. All our lives, we've been bombarded with 2 facts. The Beatles were the greatest group of all time and Elvis was the King of Rock and Roll. Michael bought the Beatles and married the King's daughter. (if that ain't literally sticking it to the man) If I wasn't a cynic, I'd say Michael did the Lisa Marie thing just to stick it to the people who consider Elvis the King.
The Beatles were great, but they weren't great enough to maintain publishing rights over their own songs.
Elvis was great, but he didn't write his songs. His manager, Col Tom Parker, was the mastermind behind Elvis ... keeping him drugged with fresh subscription pills and doing all the paperwork.
Michael could do no wrong as an entertainer. "Off the Wall," first solo artist with 4 top ten singles. "Thriller," the biggest selling album of all time, with a then record 7 top ten singles. "Bad," the first album to spawn 5 number one songs (even Thriller only had 2 number one songs). All this is cool. But that is all you better do. SING AND DANCE. Michael wanted to be greater. He bought the legendary Sly and the Family Stone catalog and no one really cared. When he bought the Beatles, people noticed. The Sony merger took the cake. Sony, in their eagerness to have a part of the Beatles catalog, agreed to a 50/50 merger with Jackson, thus forming Sony/ATV music publishing. Now, Michael co-owns half of the entire publishing of all of Sony artists. Check out the complete lists of songs at sonyatv.com. A sampling of the songs he owns the publishing rights to are over 900 country songs by artists such as Tammy Wynette, Kenny Rogers, Alabama. All Babyface written songs. Latin songs by Selena and Enrique Iglesias. Roberta Flack songs, Mariah Carey songs, Destiny's Child's songs. 2pac, Biggie and Fleetwood Mac songs. In essence over 100,000 songs. "What is this man doing?" None of the greats did this. Not Bono, Springsteen, Sinatra. "Who does he think he is? Get whatever you can on him."
To "get" someone, you have to attack what they love the most. I'll say no more on that.
The only man who even approaches MJ in taking on the industry is Prince and to a lesser extent, George Michael. They went after poor George Michael, publicly outing the man as a homosexual. Prince fought hard and made his point, but nevertheless still had to resort to using a major company to distribute his materials. There is nothing wrong with that. Prince would get the lion's share, but the result were years of being labeled crazy and difficult.
The greatest moment for them was the Sneddon press conference. "We got him." Never was such glee so evident. Who cares if we have evidence?
Michael was acquitted, did not celebrate, went home and left the USA. Best move ever. Now what is there left for the haters to do? He's gone. "Gone, what do you mean he moved to Bahrain? Well, how the hell can we get him if he's not here? Quick, get that columnist to write a series of articles on how MJ's teetering on the brink of destruction. Oh we did that? Well, what can we do?"
On the outer surface, it appears Michael is not doing anything to make money. Don't even count the weekly sales of his CDs. 15,000 CDs a week is nothing for Michael. The Sony/ATV catalog is money for Michael Jackson every time he breathes. Serious money. The fact that no one reports on the actual amount is proof of that. They would rather you believe he is broke than tell you the truth. Neverland is still owned by MJ. The family home in Encino is still owned by MJ. Michael still owns the Beatles songs through the merger with Sony as well as full ownership of his own songs. But, hey, that's our little secret.
Michael Jackson is literally walking in the shoes that no Black person has ever walked in before. If he ever writes an autobiography, it will be one of the most interesting ever. A Black man with no real formal education becomes the most powerful man in the industry, DESPITE hatred, racism, enemies in his own camps and a media willing to be bought to the highest bidder.
If Sony had any sense, right now they should offer to continue the partnership. That's the only way they will make future money off of Michael's catalogue. Tommy Mattola did not lose his job with Sony because he was a bad label head. It was a casualty of war. MJ exposed him and Sony had to cut their losses. Companies do it all the time. Notice no one at Sony nor did Matolla himself ever sue MJ for slander. Michael always was loyal to his bosses at Epic/Sony. Back at the 1984 Grammys, he even brought then label head Walter Yetnikoff on stage with him at one point. He's always thanked Dave Glew, Mattola and others at Sony in his acceptance speeches.
Sony can still do right by Michael, but it may be too late. However, they still should make a goodwill gesture, but how many times do businesses do that? If I were them, I'd still want MJ as an ally, not as an enemy. It is/was a mutally profitable merger.
I'd be scared as hell if I was an enemy of MJ while he is with the multi-billionaires overseas. Believe me, they aren't just over there discussing designer clothing. A conglomerate is in the making.
One last note, these facts that I write here should not be the only times you hear this, but the sad fact is it probably is. I was worried that Michael would go down because of the uncertainty of the jury. That's playing unfair. If I'm presenting these facts here at EURweb, YOU CAN BELIEVE THE MEDIA KNOWS IT ALREADY AS WELL. They aren't salivating over everything MJ related just because he made "Thriller." They know what's up. Think about it. That's why I laugh when I see shows like BET's "The Ultimate Hustler." We all know who that is. (How can Damon Dash know who the ultimate hustler is anyway? He lost Roc-a-fella to Jay-Z)
In the end, Michael won't be known for being an alleged child molester. He won't be known for "Thriller." He will be known as the man that fought the record industry and won and lived to tell the tale. That is a book worth buying.

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Op maandag 19 april 2010 22:59 schreef Dynd het volgende:
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Nee, er gebeurt helemaal niks.

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de kersman?

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Op maandag 19 april 2010 22:59 schreef Dynd het volgende:
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Maarten van Rossem?

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Op dinsdag 20 april 2010 01:13 schreef DrDentz het volgende:

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Maarten van Rossem?

Als ie geboren was geweest in een achterstandsgezin

Michael Jackson's Mom Cleans House
Originally posted Apr 27th 2010 1:00 AM PDT by TMZ Staff

TMZ has learned ... Katherine Jackson is downsizing the number of grandchildren in her San Fernando Valley mansion -- and the stun gun incident was the catalyst.

Sources with direct knowledge of the situation tell TMZ ... Katherine has told Alejandra Genevieve Oaziaza -- who is currently living at the estate, along with two of her kids by Randy Jackson and two others by Jermaine Jackson -- that she must take the kids and move out of the estate next week, because supervising seven children is just too much for the 79-year-old grandmother.

But don't think Katherine is heartless. It's the opposite. She's moving Alejandra, along with Jaafar, Jermajesty, Donte and Randy Jr. to a San Fernando Valley condo owned by the estate.

We're told the move was prompted by the stun gun incident last month. TMZ broke the story that 13-year-old Jaafar bought a stun gun online and fired it in the house. Sources say Jaafar pointed the gun at two of Michael's kids, but the family denies that.

The L.A. County Department of Children and Family Services came to the estate, took the gun and interviewed people in the home, and it became apparent seven kids were too much for Katherine to handle.

So as of next week, Prince, Paris and Blanket will have the run of the mansion, unobstructed.

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heeft volgens mij weinig met heartlessness te maken, maar meer met de afspraak die gemaakt zou zijn bij de scheiding van jermaine en alejandra.
enniewee; goooo katherine!!!

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Goede zet van Katherine!

Deze twee filmpjes van uitstekende kwaliteit kwam ik toevallig tegen. Zal van nog niet zo lang geleden zijn, als je naar de kinderen kijkt en hemzelf.

Zijn niet zn eigen kinderen

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Op dinsdag 27 april 2010 19:50 schreef DrDentz het volgende:
Zijn niet zn eigen kinderen

Hmmmm zit ik weer teveel op Michael te letten. Kan het niet goed zien, maar vroeg me wel af waarom ze geen maskers op hadden. Nu ist duidelijk.
Deze filmpjes zijn wel aardig recent, welk jaar zou het zijn?

'96 ongeveer denk ik.. HIStory tour

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Op dinsdag 27 april 2010 20:00 schreef DrDentz het volgende:
'96 ongeveer denk ik.. HIStory tour

Ohhh dan ben ik aardig mistaken, ik dacht veeel minder lang geleden. Dat ie misschien toch een tijdje zijn haar curly heeft gehad, ergens in de laatste paar jaar.

Ten tijde van de HIStory Tour inderdaad.
In het tweede filmpje wordt het album ervan zelfs nog gepromoot.

Is zeker 1996/1997, Wayne en Yannick zijn er nog als bodyguard. En na deze tijd kreeg Michael heel lang straight haar en vlak voor TII weer krullen.

Ik vind hem in die filmpjes er GEWELDIG uit zien!

Ik liet me verblinden door de goede kwaliteit van het filmpje

I am totally in love met dit korte, maar onbetaalbare fragment:

Michael zier er in de filmpjes inderdaad super uit. Zijn haar met bakkebaarden zijn zo het mooist, vraag me af of het haar daar echt is of een pruik, de bakkebaarden lijken me nep. Leuk trouwens om weer eens wat te lezen hier op het forum.

Groetjes vanuit Maleisië waar het eten en het weer heerlijk is, waar de mensen ontzettend aardig zijn en waar men een goede kijk heeft op de definitie van schoonheid (kwam dit vandaag tegen in Little India in Georgetown, Penang):

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Op woensdag 28 april 2010 18:31 schreef Dynd het volgende:

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Wow! Heel leuk! Wat is het precies voor een gebouw? Gewoon een beauty salon? Niet een heel ontoepasselijke foto dan. _{Ik denk dat het een oud bord is uit de 80's gezien de dikte.}

Maar goed, veel plezier verder!

Volgens mij was het gewoon een kapper of zoiets, misschien kon je er ook je nagels laten doen of zo, heb eerlijk gezegd niet zo heel goed gekeken. Vond het erg grappig dat MJ erop staat. En bedankt, dat van dat plezier gaat zeker goedkomen, het is hier fantastisch

Heeee Gif, bofkont. Veel plezier!!
Robijn zwaait even

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Op woensdag 28 april 2010 20:24 schreef erik666 het volgende:
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Denk dat er nog [img] achter moet.

ja ga ik proberen.

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Op woensdag 28 april 2010 20:37 schreef erik666 het volgende:
ja ga ik proberen.

Erik is al net zo'n kluns op de pc als ik

Kom op Erik je kunt het

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Gelukt, en leukkk

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Nou mijn dag kan niet meer stuk, ga nu even koffie drinken