[F1] F1 nieuwtjes topic deel 58 - Seizoensfinale 2009!

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Op zaterdag 7 november 2009 11:45 schreef Trystar het volgende:

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Bedankt voor de tip

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Op zaterdag 7 november 2009 11:06 schreef vosss het volgende:

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Niggerlover

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Op zaterdag 7 november 2009 15:07 schreef bodylotion het volgende:

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ik vind Hamilton een geweldige rijder - maar kan hem uit de auto echt niet uitstaan
Button daarintegen is veel echter.

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Op zaterdag 7 november 2009 15:40 schreef Googolplexian het volgende:
Ik heb Hamilton altijd een sympathieke knul gevonden. Ik kan me goed in zijn situatie inleven, namelijk.

Mijn vader is van een jongen die nog moest lopen om drinkwater te halen en regelmatig een vis aan de harpoen sloeg om te helpen voedsel op tafel te krijgen opgeklommen naar een onder-directeur van de nationale divisie van een oliemaatschappij. Ergens in dat leven is hij vergeten om mij in een kart te douwen maar verder zie ik een gelijkenis ...

_{zelfs de kleuren kloppen}

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Kimi Raikkonen stands to make more money in 2010 if he takes a sabbatical. If the Finn accepts McLaren's current offer, he would earn 15m Euro (£13.4m) in 2010, as opposed to 17m (£15.2m) Euro if he has a season on the sidelines.

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Op zondag 8 november 2009 12:12 schreef bodylotion het volgende:

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wat doet die pa van Hamilton dan?

OT
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Op zondag 8 november 2009 12:12 schreef bodylotion het volgende:

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wat doet die pa van Hamilton dan?

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That led to Hamilton sampling kart racing for the first time when, aged six, his father bought him his first go-kart as a Christmas present[11] telling him that he would support his racing career as long as he worked hard at school. When supporting his son became problematic, his father took redundancy from his position as an IT Manager and became a contractor, sometimes doing up to three jobs at a time to support his son's career and still managing to find enough time to attend all Hamilton's races. He would later set up his own computer company as well as working as a manager for Hamilton on a full time basis.[12]

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Op zondag 8 november 2009 12:48 schreef Googolplexian het volgende:

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Van IT Manager naar aannemer naar eigen IT bedrijfje, dus ...

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Op zaterdag 7 november 2009 11:24 schreef Sinister-D- het volgende:
Vanmiddag op de bbc 14.00 Nl tijd

Jenson Button's glorious season

Ik heb de titel ook niet verzonnen

iig een seizoens terugblik voor de geintresseerden

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Op zondag 8 november 2009 20:14 schreef Sally het volgende:

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Oh, ik zapte al.. Maar 3, kan ik niet krijgen hier

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Op zondag 8 november 2009 20:14 schreef Sally het volgende:

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Oh, ik zapte al.. Maar 3, kan ik niet krijgen hier

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The era of manufacturers dominating F1 is over, according to Williams chief executive Adam Parr. Following a week in which Toyota announced its withdrawal and Renault held an emergency board meeting to discuss its ongoing participation, Parr said that the tide is turning away from the manufacturer teams towards independents like Williams and Brawn.

In an article I co-wrote in this weekend’s Financial Times, Parr said, “This week marked the end of manufacturer dominance in F1, something that had been growing for a decade, ” It’s not that manufacturers are not welcome in F1, it’s just that the maths don’t make sense. If you spend $750 million a year to own an F1 team and come ninth two years in a row, you are going to stop. For an independent at times like these you are going to put your head down and keep going, because you have no choice.”
Meanwhile all the stakeholders in F1 are wondering what Toyota’s legal position will be now. They are in breach of contract, having signed the Concorde Agreement in August. Although there is no specific financial penalty written in the agreement, they do have responsibilities and potential liabilities. For instance, as one team principal pointed out to me yesterday, if another team was on the point of signing a title sponsor and that sponsor pulled out because he was unsettled by Toyota’s move, then he could have grounds to sue Toyota.
Many commentators have underestimated what Toyota’s position entails, and it is the complexity of the legal responsibilities linked to being in breach of contract which the Renault board will have been discussing this week, along with seeking an honest assessment from its commercial team of the chances of securing sponsors for next season, with the cloud from the race fixing scandal still hanging over the team. My sources suggest that Renault will definitely compete in 2010, but will review the position again after that. They will be studying what, if any, legal challenges Toyota face during that period.
Unlike Honda and to a lesser extent BMW, Toyota have not done the right thing here; they have signed the Concorde Agreement and then breached it, they have not sought to set the team up to continue in future.
The question of the 13th team remains; will Sauber get it? I’m sure they will, but contrary to rumours this weekend, I understand that Qadback has not yet paid BMW the money for the team, that is contingent on them getting the entry ratified by the FIA.
I spoke to McLaren boss Martin Whitmarsh this week and he said that Toyota was ‘not integral’ to F1 – which is a corporate way of saying they won’t be missed – and that FOTA is still in robust shape because its strength is Ferrari and McLaren. Like BMW, Toyota have not helped the manufacturer’s cause this year because they have merely served to prove the accusation that manufacturer’s come and go when it suits them.
Interestingly both sides in the FOTA/FIA war over the summer failed to get all that they wanted in the final negotiations. The FIA wanted the manufacturer’s boards to commit to 2012, not just the race teams, while Toyota and other manufacturers were keen not just for Mosley to stand down, but for Bernie Ecclestone to do so as well. Toyota were looking for different corporate governance for F1 and were reluctant signatories of the Concorde Agreement.
I sense that FOTA as an organisation is weaker now, because it has lost some manufacturer muscle and once the new teams join, they will be much more likely to side with Ecclestone, who holds the purse strings, in the event of a dust up. It also cannot help that Ferrari has once again publicly belittled the new teams this week, saying “Formula 1 continues losing important parts. In exchange, if one could call it that, Manor, Lotus, USF1 and Campos Meta arrived. You might say, “same-same” because it is enough if there are participants. But that’s not entirely true and the we’ve got to see if next year we’ll be really as many in Bahrain for the first starting grid of the 2010 season.”
Over the summer Ferrari said that many of these teams were more GP3 than F1. Some of them are already FOTA members and others have applied for membership – happy families!
Also in that FT article we got a quote from a spokesman for Jean Todt’s new regime at the FIA, who said that the events of this week prove that, “The FIA’s strategy of cost reduction and the encouragement of new independent teams was the right one for the championship.”

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Op zondag 8 november 2009 12:11 schreef Tarabass het volgende:
Raikkonen: sabbatical lucratiever dan racen
Kimi Raikkonen staat voor de keuze: rijden of een jaartje ertussen uit. Volgens Auto Motor und Sport levert een sabbatical de Fin meer geld op dan als hij gaat racen.

Geld
Mocht de Fin het aanbod van McLaren accepteren dan verdient hij volgend jaar 15 miljoen euro, terwijl hij twee miljoen meer kan verdienen als hij niet racet. Dat is het gevolg van de afkoopsom van Ferrari. De Italiaanse renstal heeft het nog een jaar doorlopende contract van Raikkonen afgekocht.

Heidfeld
Als Raikkonen daadwerkelijk kiest voor een sabbatical is Nick Heidfeld dé kandidaat om bij McLaren aan de slag te gaan. Volgens McLaren-teambaas Martin Whitmarsh is Heidfeld de meest onderschatte coureur in de Formule 1.

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Op zondag 8 november 2009 12:48 schreef Googolplexian het volgende:

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Van IT Manager naar aannemer naar eigen IT bedrijfje, dus ...

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Op maandag 9 november 2009 09:50 schreef Tarado het volgende:
Het is natuurlijk ook een spel;

Voor het geld hoeft Kimi het niet meer te doen want die heeft bij Ferrari en daarvoor al bij McLaren al z'n zakken gevuld.

Nu gaat het erom welk eergevoel bij hem het belangrijkste is; of genoegen nemen met een lager salaris en de kans hebben om Ferrari te laten zien dat ze een fout gemaakt hebben, of zeggen dat hij te goed is om voor een "prikkie" achter het stuur te kruipen

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Op zondag 8 november 2009 21:37 schreef Sally het volgende:

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Geen account (en nog geen progje op de nieuwe laptop geïnstalleerd )

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Op maandag 9 november 2009 13:40 schreef ArcticBlizzard het volgende:
Ik zou als ik Kimi was meteen bij Mclaren instappen. De hoofdreden hiervoor zou zijn om Ferrari te verslaan. Hij kan wel zeggen dat alles in goed overleg is gegaan, maar het is natuurlijk niet leuk om voor het aflopen van je termijn aan de kant te worden gezet. Dat ze liever Massa hebben waarvan ze niet weten of hij nog net zo snel (of langzaam ) als voor het ongeluk is.

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British Formula 3 champion Daniel Ricciardo is to make his Formula 1 testing debut with Red Bull Racing next month.

Red Bull has confirmed to AUTOSPORT that the 20-year-old Australian will be its driver for the young driver tests that take place at Jerez from 1-3 December.

Ricciardo, a Red Bull protege, dominated British F3 in his rookie season this year, having graduated to the championship from Formula Renault.

His fellow Red Bull young driver Brendon Hartley will drive for Toro Rosso at the test, possibly along with another member of the energy drinks company's talent development scheme.

"We will test Brendon Hartley and we will see if a second driver comes to join us from Red Bull for this test," team boss Franz Tost told AUTOSPORT.

The majority of teams will test drivers who have won F1 outings via success in other championships at Jerez.

Ferrari is set to run the top drivers from Italian Formula 3 - as it did at Fiorano last winter. Williams will give Formula 2 champion Andy Soucek his prize test alongside its 2010 signing Nico Hulkenberg, and the departing BMW Sauber team will honour its commitment to give Alexander Rossi and Esteban Gutierrez F1 tests as their reward for winning last year's Formula BMW World Finals and European title respectively.

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The Italian company MSC, the parent company of N Technology, challenged the FIA over the selection process for new Formula 1 teams during the summer months. The first hearing in the case took place a month ago in Paris and a verdict is now being prepared.

This will be announced tomorrow. If it goes against the FIA there is likely to be an appeal. MSC is claiming that the procedures for dealing with new entrants were not correctly followed and there was not transparency in the process.

The management of the FIA has changed since the court case with Jean Todt now in charge. However the F1 entries were announced and the teams have been working ever since to prepare for 2010 and so there is a fait accompli situation, which makes the decision irreversible as N Technology is not believed to have continued with its F1 project and thus could not replace another team if there was a vacancy, which there is not. Thus the court can only really decide on compensation for the Italian company if it is deemed that the team was unfairly excluded from the process.

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Michael: Blame tracks for lack of passing

By Jamie O'Leary Monday, November 9th 2009, 16:27 GMT

Sam MichaelWilliams technical director Sam Michael believes that circuit design is currently the biggest reason for the lack of on-track overtaking in Formula 1.

Wholesale aerodynamic rule changes brought in for this season in order to allow cars to pass each other more easily, but Michael still thinks that more can be done at the tracks to improve the spectacle for fans.

"I think that clearly the changes made the cars easier to follow, however, there's a lot of work that still needs to be done," said Michael.

"One of the things that wasn't addressed in the 2009 rule changes was circuit design. If you look at tracks like Barcelona where nobody overtakes, and take exactly the same cars to tracks like Monza, Hockenheim etc, there's plenty of overtaking. The difference is circuit layout.

"Organisers need to look closer at creating slower speed corners which feed onto straights, and at removing chicanes.

"If you look at somewhere like Abu Dhabi, there are some good aspects to the circuit, but there are fundamental mistakes. There wasn't good enough racing there and the organisers need to rectify that before next year. You can't keep blaming car design."

F1's aerodynamic rules will be tweaked for 2010, with wheel fairings banned and narrower front tyres permitted. These changes will, in Michael's opinion, go some way towards creating more overtaking opportunities for drivers.

"Narrower front tyres will shift weight distribution rearwards slightly, which will affect the aerodynamics and set-up of the car because of where the tyres position the wake," he added.

"A ban on wheel fairings should also improve the wake behind the car, so drivers can get closer to each other. That should help to improve overtaking opportunities."

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Op dinsdag 10 november 2009 07:42 schreef vosss het volgende:
Dan kunnen ze de Formule 1 omdopen tot de Multipla 1

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Nov.10 (GMM) Sebastian Vettel this week has given another sign that Red Bull is staying with Renault power for the 2010 season.
McLaren, Mercedes' exclusive F1 partner, vetoed Red Bull's desired switch to the German marque's engines, and it is believed that moving to Cosworth was ruled out due to question marks about the returning British supplier's 2.4 litre V8.

It is believed that an internal deadline at Red Bull Racing simply came and went without a decision, moving Adrian Newey to progress with work on the 2010 car on the basis of the current Renault specification.

Team driver Vettel was asked by spox.com if he wanted to be powered next year by the Mercedes engine, which is regarded as the best currently in F1.

"It is obvious that the Mercedes engine was an important piece of the success of Brawn," the German answered.

"As a team, and myself as a driver, we want the best possible package. That will be possible next season with different engines, including the Renault," added Vettel.

Red Bull was thought to be on the verge of announcing an ongoing Renault deal, but the French manufacturer's deliberations about its future in formula one are causing yet another delay.

Renault's hypothetical withdrawal from F1 as a chassis maker might benefit Red Bull, as the carmaker is tipped to stay on the grid solely as an engine supplier.

Germany's Auto Motor und Sport, meanwhile, reports talks about a takeover of Renault's F1 engine division between the carmaker and Mario Illien.

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Op maandag 9 november 2009 23:39 schreef bodylotion het volgende:

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Op dinsdag 10 november 2009 10:08 schreef sasquatsch het volgende:

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Designing tracks for overtaking

@Googol: Minder aerodynamische en meer mechanische grip (zoals grond-effect) helpt natuurlijk ook.

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Op dinsdag 10 november 2009 10:11 schreef Googolplexian het volgende:

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Ehhhh ... Grond-Effect is een aerodynamisch effect.

Maar dan nog ... zolang je die haakse vlakken toelaat heb je te maken met zodanig veel lucht-verstoring (turbulentie) dat het inhalen moeilijk blijft.

Ik geloof ook gewoon niet dat er zoveel circuits zijn waar het aan ligt.

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Op dinsdag 10 november 2009 13:45 schreef sasquatsch het volgende:

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Officieel wel, maar ik probeer hier het onderscheid te maken tussen downforce wat veroorzaakt wordt door de onderkant van de auto en de downforce die wordt veroorzaakt door de bovenkant/vleugels van de auto. De eerste vorm heeft minder last van de turbulentie van de voorligger in tegenstelling tot de tweede vorm.

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Op dinsdag 10 november 2009 14:00 schreef bodylotion het volgende:

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wat ik dan niet begrijp is dat de diffuser ook voor turbulentie zorgt, terwijl het ook een vorm van ground effect is.

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The World Champion’s number one plate could once again appear on a Silver Arrow next season.
Reports in Germany suggest that a deal is being discussed whereby the Brawn GP name could disappear after just one all conquering season in Formula 1 and the champions would be rebranded as Mercedes from next season onwards.

According to Auto Motor und Sport, the deal for Mercedes to acquire 75% of Brawn, via its main shareholder Aabar, is in the closings stages and now it is a question of negotiation with McLaren as to whether Mercedes is able to rebrand the team starting next year.
Mercedes still has a contract with McLaren until the end of 2011 and McLaren-Mercedes sponsors, like Vodafone and Johnnie Walker are contracted forwards several years. So it is a question of what those deals are predicated upon, in terms of the look and feel of the cars, the branding and naming rights as to whether Mercedes can run its cars as Silver Arrows or whether this would be a conflict. There will be a deal to be struck as there will over the valuation of Mercedes 40% shareholding in the team.
It is ironic that this has largely come about because McLaren approved the last minute engine supply deal for Brawn as part of the FOTA spirit of brotherhood at the start of the year.
For Mercedes Brawn this represents a chance to start more or less afresh, cutting loose from the “scandals” of the last three years and conflicting road car projects. They want a controlling interest in a winning team and would never have got that from McLaren. This opportunity comes at a time when costs have been greatly reduced in F1.
It also offers the company its first opportunity to work with Ross Brawn, having raced against him in sportscars (when Ross was at Jaguar) and F1 (when Ross was with Benetton and Ferrari). As well as retaining a shareholding he is likely to be the subject of a “key man” clause in the sale contract which will tie him to staying on at the helm for a period of time – perhaps three or five years.
I rang Mercedes today but a spokesman was only able to say what the company has been saying for some time, which is, “We have a long term commitment with McLaren and we don’t comment on rumours.”
They will supply engines to McLaren for two more seasons, but my understanding is that McLaren is trying to extend that until the end of 2012. There has been talk of McLaren making its own engine. The new McLaren road car has a McLaren badged engine which is being built for them by German engine specialist, Mahler.
Mercedes was given the all clear to supply a fourth F1 team, which it would like to be Red Bull, but they need McLaren approval to do so. That has not been forthcoming so far and it seems more likely that Red Bull will stay with Renault.
Brawn’s Nick Fry says that the team has a title sponsor and secondary sponsors in place for next year. I have heard the name Orange associated with the team, but there are also suggestions in the Auto Motor und Sport article that the team had lined up an alcohol and a gambling company, which was a potential problem with Aabar’s Arab owners.
Ross Brawn meanwhile has said that he expects the car to be competitive next season. He told me in Abu Dhabi that he thinks the team will “not disgrace itself” next season and that “success makes us more determined not to slip back”.
Speaking earlier this week at a homecoming parade in the team’s base at Brackley he said that the team had just about got away with doing the minimum on this year’s car while throwing resources at next year’s car and he feels that the team will be competitive,
“The main thing for us is that it’s the second year of working with Mercedes,” he said. “It should be a much better installation because we’ve had an opportunity to begin early and have the sort of exhaust system that we need, design the gearbox properly for the engine, design the chassis properly for the engine, put the right coolers on… all of those things.”
Brawn also said that he was” 99% certain” that world champion Jenson Button would stay with the team.

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Op dinsdag 10 november 2009 14:34 schreef Googolplexian het volgende:

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-uitleg over diffuser-

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Op dinsdag 10 november 2009 15:46 schreef Tarado het volgende:
BRAWN NAME COULD DISAPPEAR AND CARS RUN AS SILVER ARROWS NEXT SEASON
Posted on | November 10, 2009 | by James Allen | No Comments
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Op dinsdag 10 november 2009 17:35 schreef Sinister-D- het volgende:

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Ik kan in dit verhaal niets zien wat ook maar hint naar een overname van Mercedes De schrijver probeert volgens mij zijn eigen vermoedens te bevestigen.

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Op dinsdag 10 november 2009 16:42 schreef bodylotion het volgende:

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ah op die manier, thnx

maar hoe zat dat dan moet de ground effect auto's - die moeten dan ook wel een soort van turbulentie genereren?

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Op dinsdag 10 november 2009 18:13 schreef Schunckelstar het volgende:
even beetje offtopic

is hier toevallig iemand die het complete raceweekend van imola 1994 op dvd heeft staan, dus alles zoals het live op tv was, en het voor mij op een dvd wil branden? uiteraard tegen vergoeding voor gemaakte kosten en moeite...

ik ben mijn dvd'tje kwijt kom ik nu achter

mijn dank zou HEEL groot zijn