De propaganda aanval is weer begonnen.

Heb je ook nog een precieze bron ipv alleen de website

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Op vrijdag 6 november 2009 11:10 schreef mediaconsument het volgende:

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Die onderzoeksresultaten vertrouw ik niet om eerlijk te zijn. Meestal zijn deze onderzoeken dan ook gedaan door de bedrijven die het vaccin maken zelf. Of je moet een degelijk onafhankelijk onderzoek kunnen laten zien, welke ik nog nergens opgepikt heb helaas, je krijgt alleen van een Klink te horen dat het veilig is! Klink heeft dan ook de aankoop gedaan!

De goedkeuring wordt gedaan door de onafhankelijke colleges ter beoordeling van geneesmiddelen van de betrokken landen (gebundeld in de EMEA).

Onderzoeksresultaten per definitie niet vertrouwen zonder ze zelfs maar te lezen is wel héél erg makkelijk.

In zweden zouden er mogelijk 4-5 doden zijn waarbij een verband zou kunnen zijn met vaccinatie. 3 daarvan (75+) hadden serieuze lichamelijke problemen/ onderliggende ziekten. Op 1 miljoen gevaccineerden is dat dus 0.0004%. Dit met de aanname dat dit ook werkelijk door de vaccinatie kwam. Het lijkt me nogal logisch dat op populaties van 1 miljoen (aantal gevaccineerden) altijd wel een handje vol mensen omkiept. Dat valt niet te vermijden.

Er wordt hier trouwens steeds gesproken over het vaccin tegen de mexicaanse griep. Het zijn er meerdere, niet 1.
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In plaats van je druk te maken over een aantal doden bij vaccinatie zou ik me eens druk maken om al die levens die tot nu toe gered zijn door vaccinaties. (voor welke ziekte dan ook)

Dit vat het wel goed samen:

The flu vaccine uses the same basic technology that has been used for decades, and therefore it is very reliable and the risks are fairly well known. Each year the vaccine has to be tweaked to target the likely strains of Influenza A that will be prominent that year. So the risks from the vaccine may vary slightly as new strains are being targeted, but over the last 30 years since the 1976 episode the risk of GBS has been steady at about 1 in a million – far less than the risk of the flu itself.

Therefore the accusation that the upcoming H1N1 flu vaccine is untested is not a fair or accurate statement. It is highly tested. But it is true that the particular strains targeted will be new. Some charge that therefore vaccinating the public will amount to a large “guinea pig” experiment. This is a naive and misleading statement, however. The fact is that every single medical intervention, every new drug on the market, is in the same situation. Even if we highly test a new drug or treatment in thousands of subjects, it may be marketed to millions. We cannot possibly know the statistical effects on millions of people until it happens. There is therefore nothing different about the H1N1 vaccine from any other mass medical intervention
If anything, our experience is even greater because we have decades of experience vaccinating millions of people with very similar vaccines.

Even still, it makes sense to track new interventions – to gather data about what happens when millions are treated. For that reason the British National Health Service has apparently asked neurologists to report new cases of GBS starting this summer. They want to establish a baseline rate of GBS using this reporting system so that if there is a spike of GBS following the H1N1 flu vaccine they will pick it up quickly and can make recommendations about whether or not to continue the vaccine or abort it. This makes sense.

But the Daily Mail is using this precautionary measure to scaremonger about the safety of the vaccine. This is like using the presence of seat-belts in cars to scaremonger about their safety.

Conclusion

The upcoming H1N1 vaccine is simply the regular flu vaccine targeted against the H1N1 proteins to cover the current pandemic strain. Because the pandemic will likely come in two waves, and we are between them right now, this gives us the opportunity to create a vaccine specific for the pandemic strain – rather than guessing, as we do each year for the regular flu season. We have a great deal of information about the safety of this vaccine, but it is always reasonable to track safety going forward. We also have a lot of information about the effectiveness of the flu vaccine – it is very effective. The vaccine itself is very effective, but the actual effectiveness each year varies from 60-80% depending upon whether or not the proper strains were targeted.

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Nu lambiekje nog en het team is compleet

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Op woensdag 4 november 2009 20:46 schreef Bee-R34 het volgende:
ik las in een folder over seizoensgriep (H1N1), en Mexicaanse griep (H1N1). Door seizoensgriep kun je doodgaan, zo ook door de Mexicaanse griep. Het verschil..?

34 Miljoen Vacins die door Klink gekocht zijn van ons belasting geld

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Op vrijdag 6 november 2009 18:58 schreef dramatiek het volgende:
Nu lambiekje nog en het team is compleet

The flu vaccine uses the same basic technology that has been used for decades, and therefore it is very reliable and the risks are fairly well known.

Quote uit je geliefde zweedse tekst. En kijk nu maar eens vaccine nation ok? Oh dat gaat zeker tegen je geloof en gevoel in he, dus kijk je helemaal niet zeker?

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Op vrijdag 6 november 2009 18:52 schreef Schenkstroop het volgende:

Vaccine Nation 1-10

Omdat je iedere keer hetzelfde post doe ik dat ook maar

Immunizations and autism: a review of the literature.

Division of Neurology, Children's Hospital of Eastern Ontario, Ottawa, ON, Canada.

Because of a temporal correlation between the first notable signs and symptoms of autism and the routine childhood vaccination schedule, many parents have become increasingly concerned regarding the possible etiologic role vaccines may play in the development of autism. In particular, some have suggested an association between the Measles-Mumps-Rubella vaccine and autism. Our literature review found very few studies supporting this theory, with the overwhelming majority showing no causal association between the Measles-Mumps-Rubella vaccine and autism. The vaccine preservative thimerosal has alternatively been hypothesized to have a possible causal role in autism. Again, no convincing evidence was found to support this claim, nor for the use of chelation therapy in autism. With decreasing uptake of immunizations in children and the inevitable occurrence of measles outbreaks, it is important that clinicians be aware of the literature concerning vaccinations and autism so that they may have informed discussions with parents and caregivers.

Autism and vaccination-the current evidence.

PURPOSE: The purpose of this article is to review relevant background literature regarding the evidence linking thimerosal-containing vaccine and the measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine to autism. CONCLUSIONS: Rigorous scientific studies have not identified links between autism and either thimerosal-containing vaccine or the measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine. PRACTICE IMPLICATIONS: Nurses are often in the position of providing advice regarding vaccines in their formal practice areas as well as in their daily lives. Families need current and credible evidence to make decisions for their children. Excellent vaccine information resources are available online

The MMR hypothesis was first advanced in a paper by Andrew Wakefield, in 1998. The present study suggests that Wakefield's MMR - Autism link was flawed for a number of reasons. Methodologically, the studied cohort was self selected among a large population. The MMR vaccine is given at about the same time autism is often diagnosed, exacerbating a confirmation bias effect. The MMR-Vaccine theory relies on an intestinal route for encephalopathic substances, which would be indicated by some kind of G.I. symptoms prior to the autism, but this was often not the aetiology of the disease. There are other problems with this study as well.
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Vaccines and Autism: A Tale of Shifting Hypotheses

The paper examines other MMR-Vaccine link studies and finds them at fault as well.

The Thimerosal link hypothesis asserts that ethylmercury, an ingredient in Thimerosal, is the cause of autism. Thimerosal is an antibacterial that has been used for decades to preserve various vaccines, (not including MMR, which is a live vaccine). Although there are several reasons to not think that Thimerosal can cause autism, several studies have been conducted to test the relationship (probably not a bad idea given the importance of this problem) and all of these studies failed to link Thimerosal to autism. What is especially convincing are studies that show a complete discordance between Thimerosal use and autism.

In Sweden and Denmark, researchers found a relatively stable incidence of autism when thimerosal‐containing vaccines were in use (1980-1990), including years when children were exposed to as much as 200 μg of ethylmercury (concentrations similar to peak US exposures) [22]. However, in 1990, a steady increase in the incidence of autism began in both countries and continued through the end of the study period in 2000, despite the removal of thimerosal from vaccines in 1992.
The third hypothesis .... that too many vaccines stress the patient and ultimately cause autism to develop ... was also found to be flawed.

Vaccines do not overwhelm the immune system. Although the infant immune system is relatively naive, it is immediately capable of generating a vast array of protective responses; even conservative estimates predict the capacity to respond to thousands of vaccines simultaneously... The immune response elicited from the vast antigen exposure of unattenuated viral replication supersedes that of even multiple, simultaneous vaccines.... Multiple vaccinations do not weaken the immune system. Vaccinated and unvaccinated children do not differ in their susceptibility to infections not prevented by vaccines ... Autism is not an immune‐mediated disease. Unlike autoimmune diseases such as multiple sclerosis, there is no evidence of immune activation or inflammatory lesions in the CNS of people with autism...

Mayo Clinic Study Suggests No Link Between Autism And Immunizations

ROCHESTER, Minn. -- Over the past 20 years, there has been speculation about a connection between immunizations and an increase in autism. However, a study by Mayo Clinic researchers published in the January issue of Archives of Pediatrics and Adolescent Medicine suggests the increase may be due to improved awareness, changes in diagnostic criteria and availability of services, not environmental factors or immunizations.

“This study is the first to measure the incidence -- the occurrence of new cases -- of autism by applying consistent, contemporary criteria for autism to a specific population over a long period of time,” says William Barbaresi, M.D., a Mayo Clinic developmental pediatrician and one of the study authors. “In doing so, the study accounts for improvements in the diagnostic criteria for autism, the medical community’s improved understanding of this disease and changes in federal special education laws.”

The study found that the increase in the incidence of autism in Olmsted County, Minn. coincided with broadening of the diagnostic criteria for autism and new federal special education laws including autism as a disability category. Both events occurred many years after immunizations were mandated for school entry. Broader, more precise diagnostic criteria for autism were introduced in 1987. Prior to these new criteria, children with autism may have been given less precise diagnoses such as “developmental delay” or “mental retardation,” and children with milder symptoms of autism may not have been identified at all. The 1991 federal special education laws improved the availability of educational services for children with autism.

The study used data from the Rochester Epidemiology Project, a database of all inpatient and outpatient records in Olmsted County, Minn. The database diagnoses are indexed for computerized retrieval, allowing researchers to identify subjects with any developmental disorder. Researchers found 3,000 children with at least one of 80 diagnoses related to autism. Of the 3,000 children, 124 actually met the current diagnostic criteria for autism. Reviewing the medical and school history of this group showed that the incidence of autism was stable until 1988-1991, then increased after new laws and new diagnostic criteria were implemented.

MMR and autism: UK database study

The UK GP database study was impeccable. It showed no increased risk of autism or PDD with MMR, and looked at a whole range of different possible analyses to investigate whether there could be associations with age at vaccination, or type of condition. There were none.

Moreover, it also showed that while age of vaccination was 1.2 years, the age of first diagnosis was 5.4 years, a four-year gap. This is quite different from the media presentation in which a perfectly normal child begins to have behavioural problems within weeks of MMR vaccination.

And the systematic review and meta-analysis was within a whisker of having a statistically significant result that went the other way, that there was a reduced risk of autism in children who had been vaccinated with MMR. Perhaps it is too early to say, but another study like the ones we have so far would nail it down. In that case parents who did not have their children vaccinated with MMR would put them at risk of both harm from measles, and harm from being at increased risk of developing autism.

Volledige studie: http://www.medicine.ox.ac.uk/bandolier/booth/Vaccines/MMRUK.html

Autism and vaccination-the current evidence.
Miller L, Reynolds J.

Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment, Denver, Colorado, USA. lisa.miller@state.co.us

PURPOSE: The purpose of this article is to review relevant background literature regarding the evidence linking thimerosal-containing vaccine and the measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine to autism. CONCLUSIONS: Rigorous scientific studies have not identified links between autism and either thimerosal-containing vaccine or the measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine. PRACTICE IMPLICATIONS: Nurses are often in the position of providing advice regarding vaccines in their formal practice areas as well as in their daily lives. Families need current and credible evidence to make decisions for their children. Excellent vaccine information resources are available online.

[Lack of association between MMR vaccination and the incidence of autism in children: a case-control study]
[Article in Polish]

Mrozek-Budzyn D, Kiełtyka A, Majewska R.

Zakład Epidemiologii Katedra Epidemiologii i Medycyny Zapobiegawczej Uniwersytet Jagielloński Collegium Medicum.

The matched case-control study has been undertook to investigate whether measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine may be casually associated with autism in children. Cases were children to 14-year old with diagnosis of core autism or atypical autism. Controls were matched on age, sex and general practice. The 96 cases and 192 controls were included. The study provides strong evidence against association of autism with both MMR and a single measles individual vaccine. Additionally children vaccinated with MMR, regardless of age of vaccination (to 18th, 24th and 36th month of life), had risk equal half of that of single measles vaccinated (for vaccinated to 18th month OR=0.41 95%PU: 0.20-0.85). Our findings confirm that MMR vaccination is not associated with an increased risk of autism in children.

en zo heb je er nog wel 200-300

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Op vrijdag 6 november 2009 19:03 schreef Schenkstroop het volgende:

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The flu vaccine uses the same basic technology that has been used for decades, and therefore it is very reliable and the risks are fairly well known.

Quote uit je geliefde zweedse tekst. En kijk nu maar eens vaccine nation ok? Oh dat gaat zeker tegen je geloof en gevoel in he, dus kijk je helemaal niet zeker?

Zo heb je wel meer documentaires die alles uit hun verband trekken. Video is daar goed in. Maar het komt toch echt neer op dubbel blinde placebo gecontroleerde studies of andere studies uitgevoerd met wetenschappelijke methodieken. Heb geen behoefte aan video-retoriek van wat figuren aan het uiterste van het spectrum, die zijn meestal niet meer zo objectief. Komt een beetje in de richting van mensen die claimen s'nachts ontvoerd te zijn door aliens.

Ik heb trouwens geen geloof.

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Op vrijdag 6 november 2009 18:59 schreef Martijn_77 het volgende:

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34 Miljoen Vacins die door Klink gekocht zijn van ons belasting geld

Waar moet hij ze anders van kopen? Daarnaast worden er ook vaccins ingekocht voor de wintergriep, dus...

In plaats van youtubes filmpje plaatsen zonder er verder bij te zeggen wat je er nu precies mee wilt zeggen, kun je beter een foto van een leuke meid in lingerie plaatsen, dat is net zo offtopic en nutteloos, maar in ieder geval wél leuk om naar te kijken.

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Op vrijdag 6 november 2009 23:10 schreef mediaconsument het volgende:

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Zelfs het internet moet eraan gaan geloven als het meezit!

De internet providers zullen dan ook vast blij mee zijn dat dit bericht is gepubliceerd.

en dan ook zo'n toepasselijke ad bij dit topic:

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Op vrijdag 6 november 2009 23:10 schreef mediaconsument het volgende:

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Zelfs het internet moet eraan gaan geloven als het meezit!

De internet providers zullen dan ook vast blij mee zijn dat dit bericht is gepubliceerd.

Dat gaat helemaal nergens meer over.

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Op vrijdag 6 november 2009 19:11 schreef dramatiek het volgende:

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Zo heb je wel meer documentaires die alles uit hun verband trekken. Video is daar goed in. Maar het komt toch echt neer op dubbel blinde placebo gecontroleerde studies of andere studies uitgevoerd met
wetenschappelijke methodieken.

wetenschappelijke methodieken zijn niet noodzakelijkerwijs gelijk aan waarheidsbevordende redenaties.

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Heb geen behoefte aan video-retoriek van wat figuren aan het uiterste van het spectrum, die zijn meestal niet meer zo objectief. Komt een beetje in de richting van mensen die claimen s'nachts ontvoerd te zijn door aliens.

aliens ? met of zonder mexicaanse griep ?

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Ik heb trouwens geen geloof.

Je gelooft wel erg veel in de "officiele" wetenschap.

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Op zaterdag 7 november 2009 22:29 schreef Bankfurt het volgende:

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wetenschappelijke methodieken zijn niet noodzakelijkerwijs gelijk aan waarheidsbevordende redenaties.
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En waar baseer jij dat op? Ben jij wel eens betrokken geweest bij een onderzoek dat gepubliceerd kan worden in een gerenommeerd blad? En welke procedures daar allemaal bij komen kijken?

Ik ben het er mee eens dat niet alle onderzoeken waarheidsgetrouw zijn, nee. Daarom moet je ook goed kijken naar hoe het onderzoek is gedaan, was het onderzoek een dubbelblinde gecontroleerde klinische trial of maar retrospectief etc..

The Lancet is natuurlijk geen telegraaf > The Lancet's prestigious heritage as one of the world's leading medical journals continues to inspire our authors and editors today as they strive for medical excellence in all that they publish.

Pandemic Flu Vaccine Campaigns May Be Undermined By Coincidental Medical Events

The effectiveness of pandemic flu vaccination campaigns -- like that now underway for H1N1 -- could be undermined by the public incorrectly associating coincidental and unrelated health events with the vaccines.

This is the conclusion of a paper published online Oct. 31 by the Lancet and authored by an international team of investigators led by Cincinnati Children's Hospital Medical Center.

"Regardless of whether someone gets the vaccine, bad things happen to people every day and generally occur at fairly predictable rates," said Steven Black, M.D., lead author and a physician in the Center for Global Health and Division of Infectious Diseases at Cincinnati Children's. "Identifying real safety concerns with new vaccines means we have to untangle actual safety signals from background medical events, which are those that would happen without vaccination."

The team of investigators from 13 global medical institutions and health agencies reviewed medical data from prior studies and from hospital databases to identify background rates of health events that occurred without any vaccine. Their review showed the rates of adverse events varied by year, country, age and sex of the population.

The problem the authors identified is that public concern regarding medical events can interfere with important vaccine programs, even if the vaccine is not the cause. One example they cited is the interruption of a 2006 seasonal influenza campaign in Israel, where four deaths occurred within 24 hours of immunization. The clustering of fatalities and close timing of vaccination resulted in global news coverage, public trepidation and compromised the inoculation campaign.

In actuality, the four patients who died all were in a group already at high risk for sudden death from age and underlying medical conditions. Their deaths were consistent with a cardiac cause of death, and the number of deaths was lower than would be expected normally for such a high risk population. Further analysis of the fatalities in Israel showed death normally occurs in this high risk group at a rate greater than one per 1,000 individuals in the same time period. Based on this, the researchers said 20 coincidental deaths among that group could be expected to occur by chance within 24 hours of an immunization.

The authors also revisited one of the concerns raised during the 1976-77 swine flu vaccination program. The vaccine in that campaign was associated with an increased number of Guillian-Barre Syndrome cases, in which the body's immune system mistakenly attacks part of the nervous system. Guillian-Barre normally affects about one out of every 100,000 people a year. Based on this Guillian-Barre background rate, if 100 million people in the United States are inoculated in a pandemic flu vaccination campaign, the researchers said one would expect 215 new cases of the disease within six weeks of vaccine. These cases would be expected to occur whether or not the vaccine had been given.

"The reporting of even a fraction of such a large number of case as adverse events following immunization, with attendant media coverage, would likely give rise to high levels public concern, even though the occurrence of such cases was completely predictable and would have happened in the absence of a mass campaign," according to the paper.

To help address these concerns, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and other health agencies have been creating systems to gather and accurately assess data on background health events when evaluating vaccine safety. The current paper presents some new data but also puts existing data into context for the public, said Dr. Black, who also serves as a pandemic flu vaccine safety consultant to the National Vaccine Program Office at the Department of Health and Human Services.

"In the heat of the moment of a pandemic vaccination campaign, the public isn't good at evaluating comparative risk or realizing that obviously some people die or develop serious illnesses every day," Dr. Black said. "By putting background rate data into proper context, we want to help people make an informed decision about pandemic flu vaccinations."

mooi artikel en zo waar

als iemand niet gevaccineerd is en een "bijwerking" heeft dan zal niemand er iets van kunnen zeggen, wat natuurlijk niet zegt dat er gewoon compleet moet worden gemonitord wat eventuele bijwerkingen zouden kunnen zijn en dus moeten alle gebeurtenissen worden gemeldt na vaccinatie

en het werkt natuurlijk ook de andere kant op, er sterven ineens een paar mensen aan de mex griep en we rollen alweer over elkaar heen

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Op zondag 8 november 2009 17:47 schreef Re het volgende:
en het werkt natuurlijk ook de andere kant op, er sterven ineens een paar mensen aan de mex griep en we rollen alweer over elkaar heen

Ik ben officieel mexicaanse-griep-nieuws-moe

Maar Dragorius, het begint juist leuk te worden! Vanaf vandaag worden er miljoenen giftige vaccins ingespoten bij nutteloze bejaarden, waardeloze kinderen en zwangere vrouwen! Ik verwacht elk moment berichten en foto's van stapels lijken, witte FEMA pakken en grote verbrandingsovens bij de uitgang van de vaccinatie punten.

Dit wordt echt smullen!

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Op maandag 9 november 2009 09:57 schreef SicSicSics het volgende:
Maar Dragorius, het begint juist leuk te worden! Vanaf vandaag worden er miljoenen giftige vaccins ingespoten bij nutteloze bejaarden, waardeloze kinderen en zwangere vrouwen! Ik verwacht elk moment berichten en foto's van stapels lijken, witte FEMA pakken en grote verbrandingsovens bij de uitgang van de vaccinatie punten.

Dit wordt echt smullen!

Heb een tetanus-shot gehad (de oude was al verlopen ) ga ik nu dood?

Beetje in die trant inderdaad, en daarom word ik er juist zo moe van. Gister ook weer, out of nowhere een discussie met een vriendin van me, die helemaal into de alternatieve geneeskunde is, dat het vaccin GIF (ze riep het ) is, want er zit kwik in...;(

*grmbl* vermoeiend

Herkenbaar..

Vind het jammer dat er vrij veel doorgeslagen types in de "alternatieve hoek" zitten, er zitten best interessante behandelswijzen tussen.

_{daar valt homeopathie dus niet onder}