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  maandag 26 oktober 2009 @ 02:58:46 #151
89730 Drugshond
De Euro. Mislukt vanaf dag 1.
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Nemen die toe of dalen ze?
  maandag 26 oktober 2009 @ 04:44:01 #153
89730 Drugshond
De Euro. Mislukt vanaf dag 1.
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11:00 EUR M3 Money Supply y/y 1.8% 2.1% 2.6%
11:00 EUR Private Loans y/y -0.3% -0.2% 0.1%

Private loans voor het eerst ooit in een daling en M3 money supply neemt met de maand af en het is wachtten dat deze krimpt. Deflation is coming.
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dat private loans dalende zijn weet ik. wij kregen (met sangdrax die een postdoc doet, dus weliswaar niet schokkend veel verdient, maar zeker ook niet weinig, genoeg om met 3 van te leven + nog wat te sparen) geen creditcard van de ing. waarom weet ik niet, dat willen ze niet vertellen. we hebben er nu dus maar eentje via de anwb, want het ding was noodzakelijk ivm een conferentie in de vs. we beginnen de gevolgen irl te merken.
Your mind don't know how you're taking all the shit you see
Dont believe anyone but most of all dont believe me
God damn right it's a beautiful day Uh-huh
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Op dinsdag 27 oktober 2009 12:33 schreef simmu het volgende:
geen creditcard van de ing.
Je woont natuurlijk in een postcode gebied wat als slechte terugbetalers geregistreed staat , heeft natuurlijk niets te maken met je inkomen.
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Op dinsdag 27 oktober 2009 12:44 schreef Basp1 het volgende:

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Je woont natuurlijk in een postcode gebied wat als slechte terugbetalers geregistreed staat , heeft natuurlijk niets te maken met je inkomen.
zou dat het kunnen zijn?

maar dat zou de maatschappij zelf dan toch ook moeten registreren? via de anwb was het allemaal geen probleem namelijk. ik wil die redenen wel graag weten waarom het afgewezen werd, ik ben wel benieuwd.
Your mind don't know how you're taking all the shit you see
Dont believe anyone but most of all dont believe me
God damn right it's a beautiful day Uh-huh
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"Wallpaper for people with bad taste".
  donderdag 29 oktober 2009 @ 06:05:35 #160
89730 Drugshond
De Euro. Mislukt vanaf dag 1.
  vrijdag 30 oktober 2009 @ 09:48:23 #161
38496 Perrin
Toekomst. Made in Europe.
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We're Governed by Callous Children

The biggest threat to America right now is not government spending, huge deficits, foreign ownership of our debt, world terrorism, two wars, potential epidemics or nuts with nukes. The biggest long-term threat is that people are becoming and have become disheartened, that this condition is reaching critical mass, and that it afflicts most broadly and deeply those members of the American leadership class who are not in Washington, most especially those in business.

This is historic. This is something new in modern political history, and I'm not sure we're fully noticing it. Americans are starting to think the problems we are facing cannot be solved.

Part of the reason is that the problems—debt, spending, war—seem too big. But a larger part is that our federal government, from the White House through Congress, and so many state and local governments, seems to be demonstrating every day that they cannot make things better. They are not offering a new path, they are only offering old paths—spend more, regulate more, tax more in an attempt to make us more healthy locally and nationally. And in the long term everyone—well, not those in government, but most everyone else—seems to know that won't work. It's not a way out. It's not a path through.
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
  zondag 1 november 2009 @ 21:11:36 #163
78918 SeLang
Black swans matter
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Edit: op verzoek van Bolkesteijn verplaatst naar het SC topic.

[ Bericht 98% gewijzigd door SeLang op 01-11-2009 21:57:38 ]
"If you want to make God laugh, tell him about your plans"
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Mooie foto's!

Geen koersdalingen deze keer tijdens je vakantie
Hoewel er nu mogelijk wel wat aan gaat komen.....
"This is your life and it's ending one minute at a time." - Tyler Durden
"Sand is overrated. It's just tiny, little rocks." - Joel
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Welkom terug SeLang Maar hier is eigenlijk dit topic voor, plaats ze daar maar dan haal ik het hier wel weg :
[AEX SC #2] To chat or not to chat, that is the question
  zondag 1 november 2009 @ 22:10:58 #166
278042 Fenech
Blow up the basket
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Op donderdag 29 oktober 2009 06:05 schreef Drugshond het volgende:
Must read
Te lang artikel om te lezen, maar wel eentje om in te lijsten (als je er de tijd voor neemt).
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Ik heb het gelezen, erg interessant. Mijn Engels is niet perfect, maar begrijp ik het goed dat de overheid garant staat voor 95% van de hypotheken daar?
Dat vind ik wel erg extreem namelijk.
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China’s Recovery Strengthens, Adding Room for Stimulus Cuts

The world’s third-biggest economy may grow 9.5 percent from a year earlier this quarter, Zhang Liqun, of the State Council Development and Research Center, said in the statement. That would be the third straight acceleration and the biggest gain since the second quarter of 2008.
  Moderator maandag 2 november 2009 @ 00:57:38 #168
236264 crew  capricia
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tvp
"People that use Fiat currency as a store of value.
There is a name for it:
We call them Poor"
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Op maandag 2 november 2009 00:28 schreef Dave7 het volgende:
China’s Recovery Strengthens, Adding Room for Stimulus Cuts

The world’s third-biggest economy may grow 9.5 percent from a year earlier this quarter, Zhang Liqun, of the State Council Development and Research Center, said in the statement. That would be the third straight acceleration and the biggest gain since the second quarter of 2008.
De vraag die bij mij naar boven komt bij zo'n gegeven; moet je nog verbaasd staan van zulke 'groei' waarden? En hoe reëel zijn die groei waarden? Zoals we zelf hebben gezien afgelopen kwartalen kan een groei binnen no time verdwenen zijn en door enorme stimulus groeien tot grote hoogte .. er zit dus veel te veel vraagtekens in slechts zo'n GDP cijfer.
People once tried to make Chuck Norris toilet paper. He said no because Chuck Norris takes crap from NOBODY!!!!
Megan Fox makes my balls look like vannilla ice cream.
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Kwam dit gerucht tegen:

It can now be reported that the Obama Administration has negotiated a TREASONOUS deal with the People's Republic of China that will allow China to continue to finance the massive U.S. debt tied to QUAD TRILLIONS of dollars of toxic derivatives that remain parked in U.S. banks and threaten to bring down the entire world economy.

The TREASONOUS deal with China was struck in recent direct negotiations involving the government of China, along with current Obama White House Chief of Staff and Israeli Mossad agent, Rahm Emanuel, as well as Bush-Clinton Crime Family Syndicate firewall, current White House legal counsel, "Skull and Bonesman" Greg Craig, current Obama U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, current Federal Reserve Chairman Bernard Bernanke, former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan, as well as former President George Herbert Walker Bush and his business partner, current de-frocked U.S. Secretary of State, loser and lesbian in-the-closet Hillary Rodenhurst Clinton.

The TREASONOUS deal between the Obama Administration and the Chinese was struck in the last 48 hours and directs the Obama U.S. Commerce Department to hand over secret trading codes that would allow the People's Republic of China to have a 20-second lead time on ALL worldwide security, currency and commodity trading transactions.

The secret codes are tied to the Chicago Mercantile Exchange and two major on-line U.S. discount security and commodity trading companies with a direct liaison to the noted criminal firm Goldman Sachs.

So it is now clear, folks, the Chinese have been paid back their $1.8 TRILLION loan tenfold.

In the last 48 hours, the Chinese-Israeli box gang have accrued up to $3.7 TRILLION of profitable trades in S&P, Euro dollars, U.S. bonds as well as gold and silver future contracts utilizing their 15-20 second lead time made accessible to them through the secret trading codes.

-T.H Oct 31st 2009
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Op maandag 2 november 2009 01:44 schreef Ali_Kannibali het volgende:
Kwam dit gerucht tegen:
Ik zou het maar weer even snel vergeten. Wat een onzin.
  maandag 2 november 2009 @ 07:26:00 #172
238694 Rbhp
sakwadicock
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Inderdaad, wat een onzin. De groei van China is "manufactured".
No bad soldiers under a good leader
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Op maandag 2 november 2009 01:12 schreef sitting_elfling het volgende:

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De vraag die bij mij naar boven komt bij zo'n gegeven; moet je nog verbaasd staan van zulke 'groei' waarden? En hoe reëel zijn die groei waarden? Zoals we zelf hebben gezien afgelopen kwartalen kan een groei binnen no time verdwenen zijn en door enorme stimulus groeien tot grote hoogte .. er zit dus veel te veel vraagtekens in slechts zo'n GDP cijfer.
Waarom nu opeens wel kritish gaan kijken naar die cijfers terwijl we al dei voorgaande jaren wel al die cijfertjes geloofden.

De chinese groei is sowieso artificeel alleen al omdat hun de wisselkoers van de rmb niet loslaten, en de imf vind het allemaal maar goed. Zolang ze kleinere landen maar in het stramien kunnen krijgen.
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Interessant artikel van Nouriel Roubini waarin een van de belangrijkste redenen word uitgelegd waarom we de komende tijd nog niet hoeven te vrezen voor een nieuwe crash.
  maandag 2 november 2009 @ 18:27:51 #175
78918 SeLang
Black swans matter
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Op maandag 2 november 2009 16:57 schreef piepeloi55 het volgende:
Interessant artikel van Nouriel Roubini waarin een van de belangrijkste redenen word uitgelegd waarom we de komende tijd nog niet hoeven te vrezen voor een nieuwe crash.
Heb je het artikel wel gelezen?
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  maandag 2 november 2009 @ 18:29:10 #176
141482 Q.
JurassiQ
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Kan iemand dat artikel ff posten? Geen zin om me te registreren.
For great justice!
  maandag 2 november 2009 @ 18:31:58 #177
78918 SeLang
Black swans matter
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Op maandag 2 november 2009 18:29 schreef Q. het volgende:
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Mother of all carry trades faces an inevitable bust
By Nouriel Roubini

Published: November 1 2009 18:44 | Last updated: November 1 2009 18:44

Since March there has been a massive rally in all sorts of risky assets – equities, oil, energy and commodity prices – a narrowing of high-yield and high-grade credit spreads, and an even bigger rally in emerging market asset classes (their stocks, bonds and currencies). At the same time, the dollar has weakened sharply , while government bond yields have gently increased but stayed low and stable.

This recovery in risky assets is in part driven by better economic fundamentals. We avoided a near depression and financial sector meltdown with a massive monetary, fiscal stimulus and bank bail-outs. Whether the recovery is V-shaped, as consensus believes, or U-shaped and anaemic as I have argued, asset prices should be moving gradually higher.

But while the US and global economy have begun a modest recovery, asset prices have gone through the roof since March in a major and synchronised rally. While asset prices were falling sharply in 2008, when the dollar was rallying, they have recovered sharply since March while the dollar is tanking. Risky asset prices have risen too much, too soon and too fast compared with macroeconomic fundamentals.

So what is behind this massive rally? Certainly it has been helped by a wave of liquidity from near-zero interest rates and quantitative easing. But a more important factor fuelling this asset bubble is the weakness of the US dollar, driven by the mother of all carry trades. The US dollar has become the major funding currency of carry trades as the Fed has kept interest rates on hold and is expected to do so for a long time. Investors who are shorting the US dollar to buy on a highly leveraged basis higher-yielding assets and other global assets are not just borrowing at zero interest rates in dollar terms; they are borrowing at very negative interest rates – as low as negative 10 or 20 per cent annualised – as the fall in the US dollar leads to massive capital gains on short dollar positions.

Let us sum up: traders are borrowing at negative 20 per cent rates to invest on a highly leveraged basis on a mass of risky global assets that are rising in price due to excess liquidity and a massive carry trade. Every investor who plays this risky game looks like a genius – even if they are just riding a huge bubble financed by a large negative cost of borrowing – as the total returns have been in the 50-70 per cent range since March.

People’s sense of the value at risk (VAR) of their aggregate portfolios ought, instead, to have been increasing due to a rising correlation of the risks between different asset classes, all of which are driven by this common monetary policy and the carry trade. In effect, it has become one big common trade – you short the dollar to buy any global risky assets.

Yet, at the same time, the perceived riskiness of individual asset classes is declining as volatility is diminished due to the Fed’s policy of buying everything in sight – witness its proposed $1,800bn (£1,000bn, ¤1,200bn) purchase of Treasuries, mortgage-backed securities (bonds guaranteed by a government-sponsored enterprise such as Fannie Mae) and agency debt. By effectively reducing the volatility of individual asset classes, making them behave the same way, there is now little diversification across markets – the VAR again looks low.

So the combined effect of the Fed policy of a zero Fed funds rate, quantitative easing and massive purchase of long-term debt instruments is seemingly making the world safe – for now – for the mother of all carry trades and mother of all highly leveraged global asset bubbles.

While this policy feeds the global asset bubble it is also feeding a new US asset bubble. Easy money, quantitative easing, credit easing and massive inflows of capital into the US via an accumulation of forex reserves by foreign central banks makes US fiscal deficits easier to fund and feeds the US equity and credit bubble. Finally, a weak dollar is good for US equities as it may lead to higher growth and makes the foreign currency profits of US corporations abroad greater in dollar terms.

The reckless US policy that is feeding these carry trades is forcing other countries to follow its easy monetary policy. Near-zero policy rates and quantitative easing were already in place in the UK, eurozone, Japan, Sweden and other advanced economies, but the dollar weakness is making this global monetary easing worse. Central banks in Asia and Latin America are worried about dollar weakness and are aggressively intervening to stop excessive currency appreciation. This is keeping short-term rates lower than is desirable. Central banks may also be forced to lower interest rates through domestic open market operations. Some central banks, concerned about the hot money driving up their currencies, as in Brazil, are imposing controls on capital inflows. Either way, the carry trade bubble will get worse: if there is no forex intervention and foreign currencies appreciate, the negative borrowing cost of the carry trade becomes more negative. If intervention or open market operations control currency appreciation, the ensuing domestic monetary easing feeds an asset bubble in these economies. So the perfectly correlated bubble across all global asset classes gets bigger by the day.

But one day this bubble will burst, leading to the biggest co-ordinated asset bust ever: if factors lead the dollar to reverse and suddenly appreciate – as was seen in previous reversals, such as the yen-funded carry trade – the leveraged carry trade will have to be suddenly closed as investors cover their dollar shorts. A stampede will occur as closing long leveraged risky asset positions across all asset classes funded by dollar shorts triggers a co-ordinated collapse of all those risky assets – equities, commodities, emerging market asset classes and credit instruments.

Why will these carry trades unravel? First, the dollar cannot fall to zero and at some point it will stabilise; when that happens the cost of borrowing in dollars will suddenly become zero, rather than highly negative, and the riskiness of a reversal of dollar movements would induce many to cover their shorts. Second, the Fed cannot suppress volatility forever – its $1,800bn purchase plan will be over by next spring. Third, if US growth surprises on the upside in the third and fourth quarters, markets may start to expect a Fed tightening to come sooner, not later. Fourth, there could be a flight from risk prompted by fear of a double dip recession or geopolitical risks, such as a military confrontation between the US/Israel and Iran. As in 2008, when such a rise in risk aversion was associated with a sharp appreciation of the dollar, as investors sought the safety of US Treasuries, this renewed risk aversion would trigger a dollar rally at a time when huge short dollar positions will have to be closed.

This unraveling may not occur for a while, as easy money and excessive global liquidity can push asset prices higher for a while. But the longer and bigger the carry trades and the larger the asset bubble, the bigger will be the ensuing asset bubble crash. The Fed and other policymakers seem unaware of the monster bubble they are creating. The longer they remain blind, the harder the markets will fall.

The writer is a professor at New York University’s Stern School of Business and chairman of Roubini Global Economics
Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2009.
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  maandag 2 november 2009 @ 18:32:24 #178
278042 Fenech
Blow up the basket
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Ok.

[ Bericht 99% gewijzigd door Fenech op 02-11-2009 18:33:11 (Iemand was me voor ;)) ]
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Op maandag 2 november 2009 18:27 schreef SeLang het volgende:

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Heb je het artikel wel gelezen?
Natuurlijk, ik geef er echter mijn eigen interpetatie aan. Mijn mening is zolang er soepel monetair beleid word gevoerd waar de dollar-carry trade een symptoom van is. Samen met de enorme stimulansen die de economie wereldwijd (kunstmatig) laat opleven zie ik geen reden waarom de beurzen een deze weken of maanden zullen gaan crashen, waar sommige op hameren. Pas wanneer de stimulansen ten einde lopen, het monetair beleid 'strenger' word en blijkt dat veel van de economische oplevingen kunstmatig zijn of een combinatie van deze 3 zie ik de beurzen pas weer crashen. Dit zie ik een deze weken of maanden niet gebeuren wel begin/medio 2010.
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IMF voorziet lichte groei economie Nederland

Den Haag, 2 nov. De Nederlandse economie zal volgend jaar dankzij het herstel van de wereldeconomie weer licht groeien. De gevolgen van de recessie zullen echter nog jaren voelbaar zijn, meldt het Internationaal Monetair Fonds (IMF).

In de voorlopige conclusies van het onderzoek naar de Nederlandse economie stellen onderzoekers dat de economische groei de komende jaren niet groot genoeg zal zijn om de gevolgen van de crisis te compenseren.

Forse bezuinigingen en andere hervormingen zullen dan ook noodzakelijk zijn om het overheidstekort weer terug te dringen. Die bezuinigingen moeten echter niet te snel worden doorgevoerd.

„Pas als er werkelijk sprake is van economisch herstel, dat zal niet eerder zijn dan in 2011”, aldus het IMF. Tot die tijd moet de overheid doorgaan met het stimuleren van de economie.
Ik kan het artikel er over niet vinden, maar er staat mij iets bij dat er 3 scenario's voor 2015 waren uitgewerkt. Het meest pessimistische model ging uit van in 2010 1 % economisch groei, in dat geval zou het begrotingstekort alsnog sterk toenemen, pas bij een groei van 3 % in 2010 zou het begrotingstekort echt gaan krimpen naar acceptabele niveau. Een groei van 0,75 % gaat dus ronduit rampzalig uitpakken voor het begrotingstekort, maar daar hoor je Bos natuurlijk niet over, die klopt zich op de borst met leningen die terugbetaald worden. Iets wat mij vanzelfsprekend lijkt.
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