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Op vrijdag 5 juni 2009 09:54 schreef JamesWarrenJones het volgende:

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Dat is waarschijnlijk ook precies wat die Amerikanen willen: dat de rest van de wereld hun voorbeeld opvolgt.
Op zijn good night saigons van bily joel.
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And we would all go down together
We said we'd all go down together
Yes we would all go down together
  vrijdag 5 juni 2009 @ 12:48:30 #227
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Baltic dry +30% in 10 dagen gezien?
Staat reeds op 4000 punten, daar heeft hij in totaal 3 jaar boven gestaan afgelopen 10 jaar...

http://www.euroinvestor.n(...).aspx?StockId=495422
  zondag 7 juni 2009 @ 10:00:23 #231
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ALL BUSINESS: Bond-market rout lifts mortgage cost
ALL BUSINESS: Bond-market rout boosts mortgage rates, undermining economic prospects
Rachel Beck, AP Business Writer
On Saturday June 6, 2009, 8:40 am EDT

NEW YORK (AP) -- The Federal Reserve announced a $1.2 trillion plan three months ago designed to push down mortgage rates and breathe life into the housing market.


But this and other big government spending programs are turning out to have the opposite effect. Rates for mortgages and U.S. Treasury debt are now marching higher as nervous bond investors fret about a resurgence of inflation.

That's the Catch-22 threatening to make an awful housing market potentially worse and keep the economy stuck in a funk. Kick-starting the economy requires higher spending, but rising rates mean fewer Americans will be able to refinance their home loans. And some potential buyers will be shut out of the market by higher monthly payments they won't be able to afford.

To understand how this is all connected, you have to think like a bond trader. Inflation is their enemy because it means the purchasing power of the dollars they receive when bonds eventually are paid off will be diminished. The only question is by how much.

Yields on 10-year Treasury notes, a benchmark for home mortgages and other consumers loans, jumped from 2.5 percent in March around the time of the Fed announcement to as high as 3.7 percent in recent days as signs that efforts to stabilize the financial system and economy were starting to pay off. And 30-year mortgage rates jumped more than a quarter-point this week to 5.29 percent, the highest level since December, Freddie Mac reported.

"If the meltdown continues in the bond market, then mortgage yields will soon be at levels that choke off refinancing activity," said economist Ed Yardeni, who runs his own investment firm. "Even worse, they could abort any necessary recovery in home sales and prices."

Yardeni coined the term "bond vigilantes" in 1983 to describe how traders took matters into their own hands when they felt the Fed wasn't doing enough to fight inflation, which was running at an annual rate of more than 3 percent at that time.

So what has set off the vigilantes this spring, at a time when the consumer price index is down at an annual rate of 0.7 percent?

One explanation is that bond investors anticipate a greater supply of government debt being sold to fund federal spending. Investors are also increasingly fearful that the trillions of dollars the government will need to borrow in the coming years to finance the various stimulus programs will lead to a new bout of inflation.

The White House estimates that the government will rack up an unprecedented $1.8 trillion budget deficit this year -- more than four times last year's all-time high.

"The bond market is calling the Federal Reserve out," said Mike Larson, a real estate analyst at Weiss Research Inc. in Jupiter, Fla. "Investors are saying that the Fed can't just print money out of thin air to finance a massive deficit."

Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke acknowledged Wednesday in congressional testimony that large budget deficits could threaten financial stability by eventually eroding investor confidence and endangering the economy's prospects for long-term health.

"Even as we take steps to address the recession and threats to financial stability, maintaining the confidence of the financial markets requires that we, as a nation, begin planning now for the restoration of fiscal balance," Bernanke told the House Budget Committee.

That kind of talk is meant to calm bond investors' nerves. It also shows the quandary faced by Bernanke and other federal officials. They need to hold down interest rates through massive government spending at the same time they have to deal with worries over how that spending could damage the economy over the long term.

After Fed policymakers this spring said they would buy billions of dollars of government debt and more than $1 trillion of mortgage securities, 30-year fixed mortgage rates fell to 4.78 percent in April, the lowest since Freddie Mac started surveying rates in 1971.

Sales of new and existing homes began to trend higher. Mortgage refinancings also jumped, allowing borrowers to lock in lower rates. Fee income from this activity helped lift profits at many battered banks and gave consumers more disposable income to spend, which helped lift their confidence about the economy's prospects. All that was good for the nation's businesses.

But now, surging mortgage rates are threatening to undermine all that. Seventy percent of refinancing activity could be knocked out as rates close in on 5.5 percent, according to Mark Hanson, a managing director at the independent research firm Field Check Group of Menlo Park, Calif.

That's because homeowners wouldn't get much of a benefit if a refinancing only reduces monthly payments a tiny bit while they are stuck paying closing costs that typically run about 2 percent of the loan amount.

Also, many homeowners who wanted to refinance didn't lock in the super-low rates in April when the refi boom took off. "Half the deals in the pipeline are dead," Hanson said. "People were applying to refinance to improve their situation, but now they are seeing it won't be much improved."

All this means that even though mortgage rates are still low by historical standards, many of the trends that seem to be pointing to economic recovery in recent months could be undone fast.
De stijgende rente en de nieuwe commodities bubble zijn imo interessantere themas dan wat de aandelenmarkt doet, want de eerste twee zullen een eventueel herstel in de kiem smoren.
"If you want to make God laugh, tell him about your plans"
Mijn reisverslagen
  zondag 7 juni 2009 @ 16:51:09 #233
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Op zondag 7 juni 2009 15:49 schreef pberends het volgende:
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Ik zag het. Ben benieuwd.
Nicht ärgern, nur wundern!
  zondag 7 juni 2009 @ 17:30:19 #234
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Hij heeft uiteraard wel gelijk. Zoals altijd.
For great justice!
  zondag 7 juni 2009 @ 23:18:12 #237
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Werkloosheid tov de 'stresstests'
"If you want to make God laugh, tell him about your plans"
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  Moderator maandag 8 juni 2009 @ 01:27:10 #238
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Op zondag 7 juni 2009 23:18 schreef SeLang het volgende:
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Werkloosheid tov de 'stresstests'
is dat uk, usa of wat?
"People that use Fiat currency as a store of value.
There is a name for it:
We call them Poor"
  maandag 8 juni 2009 @ 01:43:21 #239
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Op maandag 8 juni 2009 01:27 schreef capricia het volgende:

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is dat uk, usa of wat?
USA
"If you want to make God laugh, tell him about your plans"
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Is More Adverse ook het Most Adverse scenario?
  maandag 8 juni 2009 @ 01:49:03 #241
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Op maandag 8 juni 2009 01:44 schreef Bolkesteijn het volgende:
Is More Adverse ook het Most Adverse scenario?
Het is het slechtste van de twee scenarios waarvan werd uitgegaan met de stresstests voor banken.
"If you want to make God laugh, tell him about your plans"
Mijn reisverslagen
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Op zondag 7 juni 2009 23:18 schreef SeLang het volgende:
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Werkloosheid tov de 'stresstests'
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Op maandag 8 juni 2009 01:49 schreef SeLang het volgende:

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Het is het slechtste van de twee scenarios waarvan werd uitgegaan met de stresstests voor banken.
Welke kniesoor let nu op een procenten of 10 meer of minder in deze tijden.
  maandag 8 juni 2009 @ 10:25:08 #245
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Huizenprijzen liggen ook lekker op schema:

Baseline scenario: 2009 -14%, 2010 -4%
More adverse scenario: 2009 -22%, 2010 -7%

Op dit moment: -19%
Wordt nog lachen nu de hypotheekrente stijgt
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Op maandag 8 juni 2009 10:22 schreef pberends het volgende:
http://www.veronicatv.nl/web/show/id=445551/langid=43

Docuprog Lauren Verslaat over foreclosures in de VS
die was vorige week op tv. ik heb het eerste stukkie zitten kijken, maar tis meer melodrama dan wat anders hoor.
Your mind don't know how you're taking all the shit you see
Dont believe anyone but most of all dont believe me
God damn right it's a beautiful day Uh-huh
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Op maandag 8 juni 2009 10:39 schreef simmu het volgende:

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die was vorige week op tv. ik heb het eerste stukkie zitten kijken, maar tis meer melodrama dan wat anders hoor.
Boeiend. Lauren Verster is een ontzettend lekker mokkel.
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Op maandag 8 juni 2009 10:46 schreef pberends het volgende:

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Boeiend. Lauren Verster is een ontzettend lekker mokkel.
jij kerel jij. net sangdrax, die zat gister ook al de godganse dag naar mijn tieten te loeren terwijl ik heel serieus bezig was! uiteindelijk gaf ik het maar op en zijn we maar baldurs gate 2 gaan spelen opdat ik fireballs rond kon smijten uit frustatie.

nja, je hebt geluk: het schijnt dat hoe erger de economie, hoe korter de rokjes.
Your mind don't know how you're taking all the shit you see
Dont believe anyone but most of all dont believe me
God damn right it's a beautiful day Uh-huh
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Bank Profits From Accounting Rules Masking Looming Loan Losses

June 5 (Bloomberg) -- Big banks in the U.S. say they’re on the mend. The five largest were profitable in the first quarter, rebounding from record losses for the industry in the fourth quarter. Share prices have jumped, with the KBW Bank Index doubling since March 6.

Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, after “stress testing” 19 banks on their ability to withstand a worsening economy, declared in early May that Americans can be confident in the banks’ stability and resilience. Wells Fargo & Co. and Morgan Stanley were among banks raising $43 billion in new capital since then through share sales.

“With our capital and assets, stressed as they have been, we can go back to focusing all our attention on managing our business and restoring value,” Citigroup Inc. Chief Executive Officer Vikram Pandit said after Geithner’s examinations were completed.

The revival may be short-lived. Analysts who have examined the quarterly profits and government tests say that accounting rule changes and rosy assumptions are making the institutions look healthier than they are.

The government probably wants to win time for the banks, keeping them alive as they struggle to earn their way out of the mess, says economist Joseph Stiglitz of Columbia University in New York. The danger is that weak banks will remain reluctant to lend, hobbling President Barack Obama’s efforts to pull the economy out of recession.

‘Bogus’ Profit

Citigroup’s $1.6 billion in first-quarter profit would vanish if accounting were more stringent, says Martin Weiss of Weiss Research Inc. in Jupiter, Florida. “The big banks’ profits were totally bogus,” says Weiss, whose 38-year-old firm rates financial companies. “The new accounting rules, the stress tests: They’re all part of a major effort to put lipstick on a pig.”

Further deterioration of loans will eventually force banks to recognize losses that their bookkeeping lets them ignore for now, says David Sherman, an accounting professor at Northeastern University in Boston. Janet Tavakoli, president of Tavakoli Structured Finance Inc. in Chicago, says the government stress scenarios underestimate how bad the economy may get.

The accounting rule changes that matter most for the banks came on April 2, when the Financial Accounting Standards Board gave companies greater latitude in how they establish the fair value of assets. Lawmakers, including Representative Paul Kanjorski, a member of the House Financial Services Committee, had complained that existing mark-to-market standards worsened the financial crisis.

Debt Valuation

Along with that change, FASB also let companies recognize losses on the value of some debt securities on their balance sheets without counting the writedowns against earnings. If banks plan to hold the debt until maturity, they can avoid hurting the bottom line.

At Citigroup, the recipient of $346 billion in fresh capital and asset guarantees from the government, about 25 percent of the quarterly net income came thanks to the debt securities rule change, the bank said.

Another $2.7 billion before taxes came from an accounting rule that lets a company record income when the value of its own debt falls. That reflects the possibility a company could buy back bonds at a discount, generating a profit. In reality, when a bank can’t fund such a transaction, the gain is an accounting quirk, Weiss says.

Citigroup also increased its loan loss reserves more slowly in the first quarter, adding $10 billion compared with $12 billion in the fourth quarter, even as more loans were going bad. Provisions for loan losses cut profits, so adding more to this reserve could have wiped out the quarterly earnings.

Wells Fargo

Without those accounting benefits, Citigroup would probably have posted a net loss of $2.5 billion in the quarter, Weiss estimates. In the five previous quarters, Citigroup lost more than $37 billion.

Wells Fargo also took advantage of the change in the mark- to-market rules. The new standards let Wells Fargo boost its capital $2.8 billion by reassessing the value of some $40 billion of bonds, the bank said in May. And the bank augmented net income by $334 million because of the effect of the rule on the value of debts held to maturity.

Wells Fargo spokeswoman Julia Tunis Bernard declined to comment, as did Citigroup’s Jon Diat.

The higher valuations Wells Fargo put on its securities probably won’t last, as defaults increase on home mortgages, credit cards and other consumer and corporate lending, Northeastern’s Sherman says.

Fed’s Optimism

“These changes will help the banks hide their losses or push them off to the future,” says Sherman, a former Securities and Exchange Commission researcher.

The Federal Reserve, which designed the stress tests, used a 21 percent to 28 percent loss rate for subprime mortgages as a worst-case assumption. Already, almost 40 percent of such loans are 30 days or more overdue, according to Tavakoli, who is the author of three primers on structured debt. Defaults might reach 55 percent, she predicts.

At the same time, the assumptions on how much banks can earn to offset their losses are inflated, partly because of the same accounting gimmicks employed in first-quarter profit reports, Weiss says.

“There’s a chance that it might work,” Columbia’s Stiglitz says of the government’s attempt to boost confidence. “If it does, then they’ll look like the brilliant general. But all these efforts also bank on the economy recovering and housing prices not falling too much further. Those are not safe assumptions.”

Indeed, while the government and accounting rule makers try to help the banks look their best, they may make the U.S. economy worse. As long as lenders are stuck with bad loans, they can’t provide new money to consumers or corporations to fuel a potential recovery. The banks may look pretty, but they’ll be zombies until they clean up their books.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=alC3LxSjomZ8

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