Ik zie hier een heleboek geloofskwesties, op zich is het topic daar niet voor bedoeld. Ik citeer een post uit het topic over
Bohemian Grove om de boel weer ontopic te krijgen en bewijs te leveren voor mijn stelling in de topictitel.
In occultisme is er 1 god met 2 aspecten welke tegenovergestelden zijn maar inwisselbaar. Deze tegenstelling uit zich in licht vs donker, goed vs, kwaad, man vs vrouw, materie vs geest, yin vs yang, Lucifer vs Satan, etc.
Vaak gaat het als volgt:
Man is goed = geest = licht = Lucifer.
Vrouw is kwaad = materie = donker = Satan.
Maar eigenlijk is het allemaal met elkaar inwisselbaar. Dat zal ook uit de volgende texten blijken.
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"The Astral Light or Anima Mundi is dual and bisexual. The (ideal) male part of it is purely divine and spiritual, it is the Wisdom, it is Spirit or Purusha; while the female portion (the Spiritus of the Nazarenes) is tainted, in one sense, with matter, is indeed matter, and therefore is evil already. It is the life-principle of every living creature, and furnishes the astral soul, the fluidic perisprit, to men, animals, fowls of the air, and everything living. Animals have only the latent germ of the highest immortal soul in them.
Moloch in deze vorm van een uil is niet de gebruikelijke vorm, meestal ging het om een gehoornd beest, een kalf, stier. De uilvorm wordt geassocieerd met het vrouwelijke aspect, ook wel Ishtar, en de stiervorm met het mannelijke, ook wel Baal.
Hier Ishtar/Astoreth met 2 uilen. Zij stellen het vrouwelijke aspect voor. De 2 leeuwen het mannelijke.
Er zijn vele goden maar uiteindelijk zijn ze representaties van 1 en dezelfde kracht, waarbij elke god een ander aspect ervan benadrukt en afhankelijk van wat je wil aanbidt je een andere godheid.
Bron is de geheime leer van Blavatsky. Ik neem aan dat je weet wie dat is en wat voor aanzien zij heeft onder occultisten, ik verwacht geen 'dit is geen goede bron' antwoord.
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It was the most ancient worship of all, that of the third Race of our Round, the Hermaphrodites, to whom the male-moon became sacred, when after the "Fall" so-called, the sexes had become separated. "Deus Lunus" then became an androgyne, male and female in turn; to serve finally, for purposes of sorcery, as a dual power, to the Fourth Root-race, the Atlanteans. With the Fifth (our own) the lunar-solar worship divided the nations into two distinct, antagonistic camps. ... Originating in the dual aspect of the moon, the worship of the female and the male principles respectively, it ended in distinct solar and lunar cults. Among the Semitic races, the sun was for a very long time feminine and the moon masculine -- the latter notion being adopted by them from the Atlantean traditions. The moon was called "the Lord of the sun," Bel-Skemesh,* before the Shemesh worship. The ignorance of the incipient reasons for such a distinction, and of occult principles, led the nations into anthropomorphic idol-worship. But the religion of every ancient nation had been primarily based upon the Occult manifestations of a purely abstract Force or Principle now called "God."
Voetnoot vermeldt:
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The Baal of the Israelites (the Shemesh of the Moabites and the Moloch of the Ammonites) was the identical "Sun-Jehovah," and he is till now "the King of the Host of Heaven," the Sun, as much as Astoreth was the "Queen of Heaven" -- or the moon.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/the/sd/sd1-2-09.htmDus Moloch = Baal, of Moloch = Astoreth in vrouwelijke vorm aangezien Baal = Astoreth, de 2 tegengestelden van de 'force'. Aangezien we bij Bohemian Grove te maken hebben met de vrouwelijke vorm want de uil, dienen we dus eigenlijk te bekijken wie Astoreth is.
Het volgende is ook van Blavatsky, gaat over het feit over de joden Astoreth vereerden of niet.
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For the esoteric doctrine holds (as the Mexicans held) that Venus (Astoreth-Diana, Isis, Melita, Venus, etc.), the morning star, was created before the sun and moon; metaphorically, of course, not astronomically. Because the stars and planets are the symbols and houses of Angels and Elohim, who were, of course, “created,” or evoluted before the physical or cosmic sun or moon. “Hence the sun-god was called the child of the moon-god Sin, in Assyria, and the lunar god, Taht, or Tehuti, is called the father of Osiris, the sun-god, in Egypt.” (G. Massey, “The Hebrew and other Creations, etc.,” pp. 15-16.)
For the same reason the Chaldeans maintained that the moon was produced before the sun (see Babylon—Account of Creation, by George Smith).* The morning star, Lucifer-Venus was dedicated to that Great Mother symbolized by the heifer or the “Golden Calf.” For, as says Mr. G. Massey in his lecture on “The Hebrew and other Creations Fundamentally Explained” [p. 16]:
This [the Golden Calf] being of either sex, it supplied a twin type for Venus, as Hathor or Ishtar [Astoreth], the double Star, that was male at rising and female at sunset, and therefore the Twin-Stars of the “First Day.”
She is the “Celestial Aphrodite,” Venus Victrix, , associated with Ares (see Pausanias, Periêgêsis, I, viii, 4; II, xxv, 1).
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Venus Aphrodite is one with the Astarte, Astoreth, etc. of the Phoenicians, and she is one (as a planet) with “Lucifer” the “Morning Star.”
http://www.katinkahesseli(...)les/v8/y1887_043.htm
Dus Molech = Astoreth = Lucifer, het vrouwelijke aspect van de 'force' die occultisten god noemen. Ik als christen geloof echter niet in deze 'force', en geloof dat deze godheid van 'goed en kwaad' 1 en dezelfde entiteit is.
Jouw versie dat Enki = Lucifer heb ik vaker gehoord van mensen als Baajguardian maar ik heb nog nooit een fatsoenlijke bron gezien van een theosoof, vrijmetselaar of andere esotericus/occultist om het te bevestigen. Als jij die hebt zou ik die graag zien want dat zou voor mij een hoop duidelijk maken. Ik zou ook graag een bron willen zien voor je eerdere beweringen.
Verder was Nebuchadnezzar niet werelds' eerste koning, ik denk dat je Nimrod bedoelt, de Babylonier die verantwoordelijk was voor de toren van Babel.
Edit heb misschien zelf een antwoord gevonden.
Ea = Enki.
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Enki was een van de belangrijkste goden in het pantheon van Mesopotamië. Hij wordt door de Babyloniërs Ea genoemd, maar is meer bekend onder zijn Sumerische naam Enki. Hij is de god van de afgrond of het diep(e water), de abzu, de belangrijkste (zoet)watergod en de god van de wijsheid in de Sumerische mythologie.
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enki quote:
The first race of men were, then, simply the images, the astral doubles, of their Fathers, who were the pioneers, or the most progressed Entities from a preceding though lower sphere, the shell of which is now our Moon. But even this shell is all-potential, for, having generated the Earth, it is the phantom of the Moon which, attracted by magnetic affinity, sought to form its first inhabitants, the pre-human monsters, (vide supra, Stanza II.). To assure himself of this, the student has again to turn to the Chaldean Fragments, and read what Berosus says. Berosus obtained his information, he tells us, from Ea, the male-female deity of Wisdom. While the gods were generated in its androgynous bosom (Svabhavat, Mother-space) its (the Wisdom's) reflections became on Earth the woman Omoroka, who is the Chaldean Thavatth, or the Greek Thalassa, the Deep or the Sea, which esoterically and even exoterically is the Moon. It was the Moon (Omoroka) who presided over the monstrous creation of nondescript beings which were slain by the Dyanis. (Vide Hibbert Lectures, p. 370 et seq.; also in Part II. "Adam-Adami.")
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TiamatThavatth/Thalassa is echter ook Tiamat:
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Tiamat was known as Thalattē (as variant of thalassa, the Greek word for "sea") in the Hellenistic Babylonian Berossus' first volume of universal history. It is thought that the name of Tiamat was dropped in secondary translations of the original religious texts because some Akkadian copyists of Enûma Elish substituted the ordinary word for "sea" for Tiamat, because the two names essentially were the same, due to association.[4]
Dus het vrouwelijke aspect van Ea is Tiamat en Tiamat is ook Astoreth, de maangodin.
http://books.google.com/books?id=ExoFpKzOidAC&pg=PA35&lpg=PA35&dq=tiamat+ishtar&source=bl&ots=wAaRCT5WUV&sig=RsSx53BYXILp_6e2nfu60iXq2wI&hl=nl&ei=sTNgSrTKKeqfjAfoiKnUDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8Dus als het vrouwelijke aspect van Molech = Lucifer = Astoreth = Tiamat = het vrouwelijke aspect van Ea = Enki, klopt ook dat.
Over de verschillende culturen verschillen de verhalen lichtelijk, maar in essentie zijn het representaties van hetzelfde, de force, die Lucifer genoemd wordt.
In een eerdere quote werd de 'Astral Light' aangehaald, dit is Lucifer.
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"Lucifer, the Astral Light . . . . is an intermediate force existing in all creation, it serves to create and to destroy,
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Akasa -- the astral light* -- can be defined in a few words; it is the universal Soul, the Matrix of the Universe, the "Mysterium Magnum" from which all that exists is born by separation or differentiation. It is the cause of existence; it fills all the infinite Space; is Space itself, in one sense, or both its Sixth and Seventh principles.* But as the finite in the Infinite, as regards manifestation, this light must have its shadowy side -- as already remarked. And as the infinite can never be manifested, hence the finite world has to be satisfied with the shadow alone, which its actions draw upon humanity and which men attract and force to activity. Hence, while it is the universal Cause in its unmanifested unity and infinity, the Astral light becomes, with regard to Mankind, simply the effects of the causes produced by men in their sinful lives. It is not its bright denizens --- whether they are called Spirits of Light or Darkness -- that produce Good or Evil, but mankind itself that determines the unavoidable action and reaction in the great magic agent. It is mankind which has become the "Serpent of Genesis," and thus causes daily and hourly the Fall and sin of the "Celestial Virgin" -- which thus becomes the Mother of gods and devils at one and the same time; for she is the ever-loving, beneficent deity to all those who stir her Soul and heart, instead of attracting to themselves her shadowy manifested essence, called by Eliphas Levi -- "the fatal light" which kills and destroys. Humanity, in its units, can overpower and master its effects; but only by the holiness of their lives and by producing good causes. It has power only on the manifested lower principles -- the shadow of the Unknown and Incognizable Deity in Space. But in antiquity and reality, Lucifer, or Luciferus, is the name of the angelic Entity presiding over the light of truth as over the light of the day. In the great Valentinian gospel Pistis Sophia (§ 361) it is taught that of the three Powers emanating from the Holy names of the Three [[Tridunameis]], that of Sophia (the Holy Ghost according to these gnostics -- the most cultured of all), resides in the planet Venus or Lucifer.
Thus to the profane, the Astral Light may be God and Devil at once ---- Demon est Deus inversus: that is to say, through every point of Infinite Space thrill the magnetic and electrical currents of animate Nature, the life-giving and death-giving waves, for death on earth becomes life on another plane. Lucifer is divine and terrestrial light, the "Holy Ghost" and "Satan," at one and the same time, visible Space being truly filled with the differentiated Breath invisibly; and the Astral Light, the manifested effects of the two who are one, guided and attracted by ourselves, is the Karma of humanity, both a personal and impersonal entity: personal, because it is the mystic name given by St. Martin to the Host of divine Creators, guides and rulers of this planet; impersonal, as the Cause and effect of universal Life and Death.
The Fall was the result of man's knowledge, for his "eyes were opened." Indeed, he was taught Wisdom and the hidden knowledge by the "Fallen Angel," for the latter had become from that day his Manas, Mind and Self-consciousness. In each of us that golden thread of continuous life -- periodically broken into active and passive cycles of sensuous existence on Earth, and super-sensuous in Devachan -- is from the beginning of our appearance upon this earth. It is the Sutratma, the luminous thread of immortal impersonal monadship, on which our earthly lives or evanescent Egos are strung as so many beads -- according to the beautiful expression of Vedantic philosophy.
And now it stands proven that Satan, or the Red Fiery Dragon, the "Lord of Phosphorus" (brimstone was a theological improvement), and Lucifer, or "Light-Bearer," is in us: it is our Mind -- our tempter and Redeemer, our intelligent liberator and Saviour from pure animalism. Without this principle -- the emanation of the very essence of the pure divine principle Mahat (Intelligence), which radiates direct from the Divine mind -- we would be surely no better than animals. The first man Adam was made only a living soul (nephesh), the last Adam was made a quickening Spirit*: -- says Paul, his words referring to the building or Creation of man. Without this quickening spirit, or human Mind or soul, there would be no difference between man and beast; as there is none, in fact, between animals with respect to their actions. The tiger and the donkey, the hawk and the dove, are each one as pure and as innocent as the other, because irresponsible.
Echter zegt Blavatsky ook:
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Typhon the Egyptian, Python, the Titans, the Suras and the Asuras, all belong to the same legend of Spirits peopling the Earth. They are not "demons commissioned to create and organize this visible universe," but fashioners (the "architects") of the worlds, and the progenitors of man. They are the Fallen angels, metaphorically -- "the true mirrors of the Eternal Wisdom."
What is the absolute and complete truth as well as the esoteric meaning about this universal myth? The whole essence of truth cannot be transmitted from mouth to ear. Nor can any pen describe it, not even that of the recording Angel, unless man finds the answer in the sanctuary of his own heart, in the innermost depths of his divine intuitions. It is the great SEVENTH MYSTERY of Creation, the first and the last; and those who read St. John's Apocalypse may find its shadow lurking under the seventh seal. . . . It can be represented only in its apparent, objective form, like the eternal riddle of the Sphinx. If the latter threw herself into the sea and perished, it is not because OEdipus had unriddled the secret of the ages, but because, by anthropomorphizing the ever-spiritual and the subjective, he had dishonoured the great truth for ever. Therefore, we can give it only from its philosophical and intellectual planes, unlocked with three keys respectively -- for the last four keys of the seven that throw wide open the portals to the mysteries of Nature are in the hands of the highest Initiates, and cannot be divulged to the masses at large -- not in this, our century, at any rate.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/the/sd/sd2-2-06.htmWat volgens occultisme de gehele waarheid is wordt in deze bron dus niet onthuld, slechts aan de oppervlakte en dat is dat Lucifer/Satan de Astral Light is, de force, god. En deze Lucifer/Satan wordt onze verleider en verlosser genoemd die ons van onze dierlijke natuur redt, ons intelligentie geeft. Dit is Lucifer verering. Ik denk dat de ware geheime leer uiteindelijk is dat je zelf god of goddelijk bent, dat is wat de vrijmetselaars leren, het besef dat je 1 bent met het universum, dat alles 1 is, dat je god bent. Dit is exact wat de bijbel beschrijft als 1 van de verleidingen van de duivel bij de zondeval. Het zevende zegel uit de apocalypse waar St John over schrijft en ze naar verwijst, beschrijft het verlaten van de hemel door Jezus Christus en Zijn engelen om de wereld te oordelen, het is het zegel van het laatste oordeel. Misschien bedoelt ze hiermee inderdaad dat we allemaal god zijn.
Is het nu toevallig dat we dergelijke zaken tegenkomen bij mensen die schema's plannen voor wereldoverheersing? Dat zij als goden willen heersen en daarbij miljoenen mensen om zeep helpen door revoluties, oorlogen, crises, ons voorliegen, brainwashen, manipuleren, en dat dan voor onze eigen bestwil volgens henzelf? Zou deze 'force', Lucifer werkelijk de inspiratiebron voor deze mensen zijn, degene die op spiritueel niveau de boel dirigeert? Zelf zeggen ze van wel en ik heb alle reden om ze te geloven.
[ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door Ali_Kannibali op 22-07-2009 02:01:48 ]