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Op donderdag 2 oktober 2008 05:20 schreef Drugshond het volgende:

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Idd....

Volledig de kluts kwijt.... foto's, speelgoed van kinderen, geboortepapieren, computers alles laten ze achter. Ze hebben letterlijk alle moed opgegeven. Zwaar depressief vervolgen zij hun leven.
Ontkennen dat er problemen zijn tot op het laatste moment.
Dat hebben die mensen hoogstwaarschijnlijk gedaan. Vergeet niet dat deze mensen ook een variable rente voor hun hypotheek hebben gekozen die tijdelijk extra laag is.

Impulsieve mensen blijven impulsief.
  vrijdag 3 oktober 2008 @ 04:26:41 #27
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Side nieuws maar een vergelijkbaar verhaal. Over hoe snel de wereld daar is verandert in slechts 2 jr.
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Credit Crisis Hitting Home: 'Everybody Cries Together'

Back in 2006, Stephanie Christmas ran a bustling turf business in Gainsville, Fla., with 40 employees. Credit flowed freely and the housing market was hotter than the scorching summer sun in Florida's 'gator country.

Now that seems like an eternity ago.

Christmas' Hendricks Turf farm, which delivers sod for landscaping projects, has seen business dry up with the housing slump. On top of that, Christmas can't get credit from the bank because her prime source of collateral—hundreds of acres of prime farmland—has lost much of its value with the real estate collapse. The family-run company is struggling to survive.


Danny and Stephanie Christmas on the Hendricks Turf farm near Gainesville, Fla.

"I don't think people truly understand the gravity," she says in a phone interview. "Nobody in my generation and even the generation before me has seen hard times, and I don't think it's something they can possibly fathom. You go down to the local diner for lunch and everybody cries together."

As the credit crisis spreads around the globe, it is reverberating back to Main Street in ways never seen before. Financial institutions large and small have grown unwilling even to lend each other money—much less their customers. As such, stories similar to the Hendricks Turf farm are being played out across America.

Although most people who have e-mailed CNBC.com say they've had no problems getting credit, some are feeling strapped. They speak of having pristine credit scores and solid balance sheets—yet hear again and again that there's no money to lend.

One construction company owner wrote about his 60-year-old family business that can't get financing to build. Another businessman talked about having his credit line frozen. Still another, a prospective new home-buyer, related a story of trying to get a new-construction loan and being told that home equity would no longer be accepted as credit towards a downpayment.

"This crisis affects Main Street more and more everyday," wrote "Dave" from Los Angeles, in a comment about the government rescue plan. "I don't want to see my company, my home equity as well as my 401k wiped out all in one shot if this funding is not approved."

Good Times, Bad Times

Before housing values started tumbling nationwide in 2005 and 2006, business for Christmas' family-run operation was good, almost too good.

"At the end of '06 is when the building really started slowing around here," Stephanie Christmas says. "At that time, it was literally a welcome breath of air. We were all exhausted. You were literally running a race you were never able to win."

But a slowdown turned to a virtual shutdown, and revenue for the company dropped about 70 percent in the two-year span. A staff of 40 will soon shrink to nine.

Simultaneously, the Florida housing market has fallen through the ground, presenting a double-edged problem for Hendricks Turf.

While the company lost business on one end because of the housing decline, it lost access to credit on the other end because its farmland was no longer worth much. It was a rural version of Wall Street's mark-to-market accounting dilemma: How can you mark something to market when there's no market?

"Mark-to-market means nothing now," Christmas says. "It's only worth what someone's willing to pay for it, and nobody's willing to pay for it."

"Where's the bottom for this thing?" she adds. "The problem is, in this area we still don't feel like we hit the bottom. That is absolutely terrifying."

To raise money, Hendricks Turf is holding what is referred to as an "absolute auction" on a 200-acre tract the family owns—awarding the property to the highest bidder no matter the price. It's a risky move that could end up with the land being severely undervalued. But Christmas and her family believe they it's their only recourse because of the lack of available credit.

The hope is not only to generate liquidity for the business but also to set a value for property in the Gainesville area that banks can use as a yardstick to start lending again.

"If this auction doesn't go the way we want it to," she says, her voice taking on emotion, "quite frankly I don't know what we're going to do."

Other Voices

Christmas is hardly alone with tales of credit woes from one end of the country to another.

"Eddie" from Brea, Calif., tells a familiar yet startling story of how even the most qualified borrowers are afforded little or no access to credit:

"Applied for a Super Jumbo Loan with a 735 Mid FICO score, 200K in liquid assets, 500K annual income. 1 million net worth and I was turned down."

And it's not limited to housing-related industries.

After auto companies released dismal sales results yesterday, "CD" wrote of how difficult it is to get car financing these days.

"I work at a dealership and we're having a very difficult time getting GOOD people financed. We had a couple with 750 beacon scores we couldn't get bought, and when you're a 750 you've done everything right. You've done what you are supposed to do. ... People want to believe that because they didn't over extend themselves they will be ok. They wont realize the problem until it slaps them upside the head and affects them personally."

Nikki, from Arlington, Va., had an issue with trying to buy a newly built home.

"We applied for a new home construction loan and despite of already having equity built into the total price, we were asked to put down 20% of the entire loan amount. In the past the construction loan always took into account the equity in the house as part of the down payment."

And "Jack" from Destin, Fla., relates another tale of businesses getting strangled by the lending freeze:

"Even though we are up to date and have never missed a payment, our credit lines have been 'basically' frozen. My 400,000 sq foot commercial project is sold out to some strong anchor clients and yet they too are having issues due to excessive financing scrutiny. My banker says regulators are forcing all banks to downgrade construction loans to sub-standard in my part of Florida. Perfect credit and a wonderful history do not matter.

"It is very hard to finance a big project like this out of pocket. Not good!"
  zondag 12 oktober 2008 @ 22:10:06 #28
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3 posh projects go bust as Valley dreams bite the dust

An empty lot has a commanding view of the partially built Diablo Grande in the hills west of Patterson. Nicotine patch mogul Donald Panoz spent $120 million to bring his dream – including two golf courses a vineyard and winery – to life. The project filed for Chapter 11 in March after the anticipated Bay Area transplants failed to materialize.


In the Central Valley these days, the bankruptcies and foreclosures don't just affect individual homeowners.

They swallow entire developments – and the people who conceive them.

Winchester Country Club in rural Placer County, which went into foreclosure and sent legendary Sacramento highway contractor C.C. Myers into bankruptcy protection, isn't the only lavish golf-course housing development to fall on hard times. Three massive high-end projects in the San Joaquin Valley have fallen into bankruptcy proceedings in the past two years.

The three insolvencies symbolize the California housing bubble at its most extreme. Combined, they have cost lenders and investors tens of millions of dollars – and offer clues about the roots of the financial crisis that has gripped Wall Street and the world's economies.

Each is striking in its own way:

• After Running Horse in Fresno collapsed, none other than Donald Trump jetted in with a possible rescue plan. He gave up months later. One of the original developers, accused of fraud, turned up dead in a Fresno motel last month.

• Bakersfield's McAllister Ranch defaulted on a $235 million loan from Lehman Bros., the investment giant whose Chapter 11 bankruptcy filing helped heat Wall Street's woes to their current boil. McAllister's only occupants are a herd of sheep grazing on a golf course designed by Greg Norman.

• Diablo Grande, in Patterson in Stanislaus County, is faring better. Like Myers' Winchester project, it's partly built out. But homeowners grumble about water-quality problems and plummeting values, and the project became a nightmare for original developer Donald Panoz, a pharmaceutical tycoon who made a fortune on the nicotine patch. He lost Diablo Grande after it filed for bankruptcy protection.

All three developments were designed to bring the luxury life to the Valley, and that's where the problem lies. Their struggles illustrate how hard it is to transplant $800,000 homes and designer golf courses to California's chronically depressed midsection.

Bakersfield boom turns to blues

While the housing boom brought money and diversification to a region too dependent on farming, the overall impact was somewhat hollow. The fundamentals of the economy didn't change. The Valley didn't generate nearly enough high-paying jobs needed to sustain such high-end developments as Running Horse.

"The markets were so overheated they were chasing any deal," said Fresno real estate consultant Robin Kane. "Part of the problem that always hurts us in the Valley, from Bakersfield to Stockton, is your employment and per capita income (are) not rising."

With the boom a faded memory, unemployment is creeping back up to the 10 percent range in much of the Valley. The real estate market is a disaster: Stockton had the nation's highest foreclosure rate in August, according to researcher RealtyTrac, followed by Merced and Modesto.

Developers of big projects are paying for what Kane and others said was a classic Valley mistake: They fell in love with the area's inexpensive land but ignored its troubling demographics. The Valley is still plagued by low incomes, a poorly educated work force and other ills.

"We're not another Silicon Valley," said Bakersfield real estate appraiser Gary Crabtree.

That didn't seem to matter when McAllister Ranch was taking shape in southwest Bakersfield. The city in 2005 had become the nation's single hottest housing market, as measured by price growth, thanks to a stampede of homebuyers from Los Angeles.

McAllister was going to be a big-time operation, with 6,000 homes and a host of amenities. Developer SunCal Cos. of Irvine borrowed $235 million from Lehman Bros. – part of a $2.2 billion war chest Lehman handed SunCal to develop properties throughout California and Nevada.

SunCal had a grand vision for Bakersfield. After buying out the original developer, it doubled the asking price for individual lots, to $115,000.

But once the market petered out, "those prices were no longer viable," said ex-project manager Darryl Tucker.
Blues krijgt weer een opleving.... wellicht meer on the edge.
Maar goed, dit topic en het vorige topic (zie eerste postings) is een spiegeling van wat het is als je bij ground-zero zit met betrekking tot deze kredietcrisis..
Een boel dromen gaan in rook op.... en niet zo'n klein beetje ook.
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hier ben ik echt even stil van...
namaste
  zondag 12 oktober 2008 @ 22:33:26 #30
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Als je dit soort dingen leest vraag je je toch stiekem af of dat geld niet beter in die mensen dan in de banken gepompt kon worden.. hoewel dat eigenlijk sterk tegen m'n principes is.. Die afschrijvingen die de banken moeten doen zijn voornamelijk het gevolg van het feit dat de onderliggende hypotheken niet meer betaald kunnen worden.

Om die molensteen om de nek van de banken te kunnen halen springt de overheid flink bij. Als de overheid die mensen zelf zou helpen zouden de afschrijvingen ook minder zwaar zijn. Door de variabele rente voor die hypotheken gedwongen te bevriezen voelen enerzijds de mensen die een te hoge hypotheek afgesloten hebben dit omdat die rente al gestegen was, en anderzijds voelen de banken dit doordat ze renteinkomsten mislopen. Op die manier wordt de pijn wat verdeeld en daarnaast leren beide partijen er dan mogelijk nog iets van.
Vampire Romance O+
  zondag 12 oktober 2008 @ 22:33:30 #31
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Op zondag 12 oktober 2008 22:30 schreef Dulk het volgende:
hier ben ik echt even stil van...
Je bent zeker niet de enigste.....dit is fall-out... en met de laatste koersdalingen zal het nu zeker hard gaan.
  zondag 12 oktober 2008 @ 22:37:22 #32
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Op zondag 12 oktober 2008 22:33 schreef MouseOver het volgende:
Als je dit soort dingen leest vraag je je toch stiekem af of dat geld niet beter in die mensen dan in de banken gepompt kon worden.. hoewel dat eigenlijk sterk tegen m'n principes is.. Die afschrijvingen die de banken moeten doen zijn voornamelijk het gevolg van het feit dat de onderliggende hypotheken niet meer betaald kunnen worden.

Om die molensteen om de nek van de banken te kunnen halen springt de overheid flink bij. Als die de mensen zelf zou helpen zouden de afschrijvingen ook minder zwaar zijn. Door de variabele rente voor die hypotheken gedwongen te bevriezen voelen enerzijds de mensen die een te hoge hypotheek afgesloten hebben dit omdat die rente al gestegen was, en anderzijds voelen de banken dit doordat ze renteinkomsten mislopen. Op die manier wordt de pijn wat verdeeld en daarnaast leren beide partijen er dan mogelijk nog iets van.
Ik zal het nog botter vertellen.... een senator vroeg in februari voor extra geld (was iets van 20 miljard) wat hij niet heeft gekregen puur en alleen om deze constructie ten einde te brengen. Maar toen was al de toon gezet.
Het zat wereldwijd en diep......
  zondag 12 oktober 2008 @ 22:39:07 #33
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Op zondag 12 oktober 2008 22:37 schreef Drugshond het volgende:

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Ik zal het nog botter vertellen.... een senator vroeg in februari voor extra geld (was iets van 20 miljard) wat hij niet heeft gekregen puur en alleen om deze constructie ten einde te brengen. Maar toen was al de toon gezet.
Het zat wereldwijd en diep......
Hoe wilde hij het gebruiken dan?
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deze houden we er in
1/10 Van de rappers dankt zijn bestaan in Amerika aan de Nederlanders die zijn voorouders met een cruiseschip uit hun hongerige landen ophaalde om te werken op prachtige plantages.
"Oorlog is de overtreffende trap van concurrentie."
  zondag 12 oktober 2008 @ 22:59:16 #35
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Gelukkig zijn we er in Nederland, in tegenstelling tot de rest van de wereld, er voor 100% van verzekert dat huizenprijzen eenvoudigweg niet kunnen dalen, omdat ze gewoon altijd blijven stijgen!
The End Times are wild
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Op zondag 12 oktober 2008 22:59 schreef LXIV het volgende:
Gelukkig zijn we er in Nederland, in tegenstelling tot de rest van de wereld, er voor 100% van verzekert dat huizenprijzen eenvoudigweg niet kunnen dalen, omdat ze gewoon altijd blijven stijgen!
Zolang je die illusie met zijn allen ophoudt is er inderdaad niets aan de hand.
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Op zondag 12 oktober 2008 22:59 schreef LXIV het volgende:
Gelukkig zijn we er in Nederland, in tegenstelling tot de rest van de wereld, er voor 100% van verzekert dat huizenprijzen eenvoudigweg niet kunnen dalen, omdat ze gewoon altijd blijven stijgen!
Okay, en dan nu weer terug naar de realiteit.
  vrijdag 24 oktober 2008 @ 17:30:40 #38
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America's Next Foreclosure Capitals
by Matt Woolsey
Thursday, October 23, 2008provided byForbes
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Orlando, Fla.
Foreclosures as percent of all homes: 0.65%
Mortgage write-off rate 2008: 3.89%
Mortgage write-off rate 2009 (projected): 4.38%
Percent change: 12.5%
The number of homeowners dealing with foreclosure is mounting. Nationwide, almost 766,000 homes received at least one foreclosure-related notice from July through September, according to Realty Trac. That's up 71% compared to the same time a year before.

And it's only going to get worse.

Expect already high foreclosure rates in Jacksonville, Naples and Miami to increase by 14% to 15% next year thanks to bottomless home prices and job loss.

"It's so far from recovery," says Doug Duncan, chief economist of Fannie Mae. He says the ability to sell a home in the Sunshine State is not related to price, especially in the condo sector. "You can drop the price to zero and not sell a brand new property because there's no one there to buy it."

As a result, many would-be sellers confronting rapidly falling prices are opting to walk away from their homes.

It's not much better in California, home to five of the top 10 cities on our list, including Fresno, Santa Cruz, Merced and Santa Barbara. Here, foreclosures are expected to rise between 11% and 14% next year. Job growth figures are better than in Florida, and new housing permits have begun to bottom out, cutting into supply. Even though prices are down, transaction activity has surged 17% in San Diego, 21% in Los Angeles and 32% in Sacramento from last year, according to Radar Logic, a New York-based research firm.

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Oxnard, Calif.
Foreclosures as percent of all homes: 0.66%
Mortgage write-off rate 2008: 2.41%
Mortgage write-off rate 2009 (projected): 2.6%
Percent change: 11.7%
"We're starting to see signs of a bottom in some places in California," says Scott Hoyt, a senior director of consumer economics at Moody's Economy.com. "Those places were the first places to crash. Now they're further into the foreclosure cycle. It looks like permit activity is starting to bottom out."

Behind the Numbers

In compiling our list, we looked at the country's 50 largest foreclosure markets based on mortgage write-off rate. This measures mortgages that have fallen in value or dropped to zero as the result of foreclosures. In Miami, Fla., for example, the 2008 mortgage write-off rate was 6.2%, meaning that $6.20 of every $100 of the overall mortgage market has evaporated due to foreclosure. Data come from Moody's Economy.com and Equifax, a credit research firm.

Moody's then provided for each area 2009 forecasts based on job loss and the expected number of ensuing delinquencies and defaults.


Occupational Hazards

Jobs are an obvious factor: the less income people have, the less likely they can afford their mortgages.

In Miami, Fla., and Jacksonville, Fla., projected job growth is expected to drop .4% and .3%, respectively. In other spots, including Santa Barbara, Calif., and Oxnard, Calif., job growth is expected to be flat.

At present, numbers from the Bureau of Labor Statistics and Moody's suggest that peak to trough, the macro economy will shed a net of 1.3 million jobs. That's bad news for the year ahead. Worse: Even when indicators like credit quality and job growth start to improve, there's usually a lag of a few months before it shows up in housing.

Throw in plummeting prices and some places will feel the hurt more than others.

"Declining house prices with ongoing job losses [means] the housing cycle is still deteriorating," says Hoyt. "Yes, we may be getting toward the bottom on construction activity, but we're not there in terms of price or credit quality."

In July, the Case Shiller Index fell 17.5%; year-over-year prices in Las Vegas and Phoenix fell almost 30%.

"That was my worst fear," says Duncan. "Traditional foreclosure factors like job loss in the private sector look like they're going to peak at the same time as the peak of non-traditional factors like price declines."
  woensdag 29 oktober 2008 @ 23:53:48 #40
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Huizenmarkt in Amerika



Count 19,618
Total Price 3,308,329,521 $
Average Asking 156,066 $

Check hier een aantal grafieken over de verkoopexplosie, California en Florida zijn 'toast'.


Conclusie is nogal snel gemaakt.... meer huizen te koop tegen lagere prijzen. Hieruit kun je rustig stellen dat er een heleboel foreclosures zitten. En dat de huizenmarkt kapot is.

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Op donderdag 2 oktober 2008 04:58 schreef Hukkie het volgende:
Bizar beeld, dat ze door een straat rijden waar zo'n beetje alle huizen leeg staan behalve één waar twee auto's voor de deur staan. Lijkt me ook niet echt prettig wonen in zo'n halve spookstad.

Leuk stuk.
Of juist wel. Lekker rustig .

Die vent die het gras groenspuit .

En de inboedel helemaal naar de klote...
  donderdag 30 oktober 2008 @ 09:51:39 #42
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Zal lekker worden als het winter wordt trouwens, die tentenkampen
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  donderdag 30 oktober 2008 @ 11:20:43 #43
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no way jose.....
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Bizar hoor dat een wereldmacht zo met hun mensen om gaat. Je hoort er bijna niks van op tv....
En de echte mensen die aan de macht kan het niks schelen want die hebben hun centen al die jaren binnengehaald.....
It's all a blur!!!
  donderdag 30 oktober 2008 @ 11:38:56 #44
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Op donderdag 30 oktober 2008 11:20 schreef xxjosjex het volgende:
Bizar hoor dat een wereldmacht zo met hun mensen om gaat. Je hoort er bijna niks van op tv....
En de echte mensen die aan de macht kan het niks schelen want die hebben hun centen al die jaren binnengehaald.....
There is a flip side of this coin.
En een dergelijk topic hoort hier gewoon thuis. Van wat er onder de streep gaande is.
En dat de media ligt te slapen is slechts de helft van het verhaal, of zelfs dat nog niet eens.
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Ik neem maar aan dat 1 van die medewerkers met dat grote beeldscherm aan de haal is gegaan, die gooi je toch niet op de stort lijkt mij.
Rik: Hey guys, wouldn't it be AMAZING if all this money was real?
Vyvyan: Rik, that is the single most predictable and BORING thing anyone could ever say whilst playing Monopoly.
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Op donderdag 30 oktober 2008 12:28 schreef Boris_Karloff het volgende:
Ik neem maar aan dat 1 van die medewerkers met dat grote beeldscherm aan de haal is gegaan, die gooi je toch niet op de stort lijkt mij.
Amerikanen kunnen de stroomrekening ervan niet meer betalen denk ik .
  donderdag 30 oktober 2008 @ 13:09:11 #48
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Torpitudo peius est quam mors.
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Op donderdag 30 oktober 2008 12:28 schreef Boris_Karloff het volgende:
Ik neem maar aan dat 1 van die medewerkers met dat grote beeldscherm aan de haal is gegaan, die gooi je toch niet op de stort lijkt mij.
Maar hoe krijg je zón ding mee naar huis??

Lijkt me ook nogal zonde zoiets gewoon even naar de stort te brengen!
Ceterum censeo Turciam delendam esse.
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Op donderdag 30 oktober 2008 13:09 schreef BlaZ het volgende:

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Maar hoe krijg je zón ding mee naar huis??

Lijkt me ook nogal zonde zoiets gewoon even naar de stort te brengen!
Amerikanen hebben geen huizen meer om de spullen in op te slaan .
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Op donderdag 30 oktober 2008 13:09 schreef BlaZ het volgende:

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Maar hoe krijg je zón ding mee naar huis??

Lijkt me ook nogal zonde zoiets gewoon even naar de stort te brengen!
Een boel mensen rijden pick up, dus even iemand bellen. Dat kreng opladen en je hebt een schitterende tv erbij. Die lui kunnen wel een handel beginnen, daar moet genoeg spul bij zijn dat ze best wel kunnen verkopen. Ik zie wel mindere troep op marktplaats staan.
Rik: Hey guys, wouldn't it be AMAZING if all this money was real?
Vyvyan: Rik, that is the single most predictable and BORING thing anyone could ever say whilst playing Monopoly.
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