Hele dingquote:How John McCain lost me
I have been a longtime admirer of John McCain. During the 2000 Republican presidential primaries I publicly defended McCain against the pro-Bush Republicans’ whisper campaign that he was too unstable to be president (aware though I was that he had a temper). Two years later I published a positive book about him, “Citizen McCain.”
Waarom zouden mensen moeten reageren op 'feiten' die jij aandraagt? Zelf reageer je ook niet meer wanneer er feiten worden aangedragen. Feiten over het Republikeinse bewind in de VS, de afgelopen 8 jaar, bijvoorbeeld. Feiten over hoe hard de staatsschuld is gegroeid en feiten over hoe zelfs de middenklasse in de VS steeds armer wordt. Leg eens een verband tussen die ontwikkeling en het gegeven dat mensen hun hypotheek niet meer kunnen betalen. Economische crisis. Gaat er een belletje rinkelen?quote:Op vrijdag 19 september 2008 07:37 schreef StefanP het volgende:
Ben je gek. Die kneus heeft geen schijn van kans. Hij is als een aangeschoten hert. A deer caught in headlights.
Maaruh, wat is je commentaar op de feiten die Glenn Beck noemt? Pijnlijk, niet?
quote:"Sarah Palin says she has foreign policy experience because she can see Russia from her house. Hey Sarah, there are millions of people in Michigan who can see Canada over the lake - but that doesn't mean they have health care."
(...)
I can see the moon from my backyard but that doesn' qualify me to be an astronaut.
http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/19/51412/1853/615/603485
Dat is het kenmerk van bepaalde Republikeinen, lekker met je kop in het zand. Zo nu en dan even schreeuwen dat Obama een commie kneusje is en dat McCain en Palin profeten zijn. StefanP heeft gewoon psychische problemen, das wel duidelijk nu.quote:Op vrijdag 19 september 2008 11:39 schreef Elfletterig het volgende:
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Waarom zouden mensen moeten reageren op 'feiten' die jij aandraagt? Zelf reageer je ook niet meer wanneer er feiten worden aangedragen. Feiten over het Republikeinse bewind in de VS, de afgelopen 8 jaar, bijvoorbeeld. Feiten over hoe hard de staatsschuld is gegroeid en feiten over hoe zelfs de middenklasse in de VS steeds armer wordt. Leg eens een verband tussen die ontwikkeling en het gegeven dat mensen hun hypotheek niet meer kunnen betalen. Economische crisis. Gaat er een belletje rinkelen?
Hij wist niet over wie het ging. McCain dacht aan een of andere onbekende boeman in Zuid-Amerika, waardoor hij een heel generiek antwoord gaf. Hij interpreteerde Europa als you-rope puur omdat hij dacht dat het om Zuid-Amerika ging.quote:Op vrijdag 19 september 2008 12:06 schreef speknek het volgende:
Ik begrijp echt niets meer van het gedraaikont van McCain in de laatste paar maanden. Nu schijnt hij weer gezegd te hebben dat hij Luis Zapatero van Spanje niet wil ontmoeten, ookal zei hij in Maart nog dat hij hem graag uit zou nodigen in het Witte Huis om de banden te versterken. McCain zit echt heel stevig in de mangel van de Bush Administration, hij lijkt alles overboord te gooien waar hij altijd voor stond. Misschien heeft ie een deal?
Nee, geen operatie vlak voor de verkiezingen, maar wel het aankondigen daarvan. Oorlog is geen goede PR, stoere taal over vrijheid en overwinning vooraf wel. De slag om Falluja werd ook uitgesteld in 2004 vanwege de verkiezingen.quote:Toch een grote operatie van het leger vlak voor de verkiezingen zodat hij weer stoere oorlogsheldretoriek kan verkondigen?
Het lijkt mij dat John McCain niet kan of wil toegeven dat hij iets niet (meer) wist of iets niet goed verstaan had, of zoiets. Hij had kunnen zeggen: Sorry, ik verstond het niet goed, natuurlijk is Zapatero welkom. Maar dat zou voor hen misschien een soort teken van zwakte zijn, en dus schofferen ze liever een NAVO-bondgenoot die in Afghanistan militairen heeft zien sterven, dan in Amerika "zwak" (dement?) te lijken.quote:Op vrijdag 19 september 2008 12:06 schreef speknek het volgende:
Ik begrijp echt niets meer van het gedraaikont van McCain in de laatste paar maanden. Nu schijnt hij weer gezegd te hebben dat hij Luis Zapatero van Spanje niet wil ontmoeten, ookal zei hij in Maart nog dat hij hem graag uit zou nodigen in het Witte Huis om de banden te versterken. McCain zit echt heel stevig in de mangel van de Bush Administration, hij lijkt alles overboord te gooien waar hij altijd voor stond. Misschien heeft ie een deal? Toch een grote operatie van het leger vlak voor de verkiezingen zodat hij weer stoere oorlogsheldretoriek kan verkondigen?
In Virginia en West-Virginia doet Obama het nog aardig.quote:Op vrijdag 19 september 2008 12:17 schreef Montov het volgende:
Gisteren 33 peilingen...
http://www.realclearpolit(...)testpolls/index.html
De dagelijkse peilingen worden weggehaald in voorgaande dagen, dus die site is niet eens het volledige overzicht van alle peilingen...
http://voices.washingtonp(...)spanish_prime_m.htmlquote:So, was McCain purposely trying to diss the Spanish leader? Questions about whether McCain forgot which country Zapatero leads, got confused about Spain's geographic relationship to Latin America, or confused Zapatero with the Zapatista rebels from Mexico have exploded on blogs since reports of the interview first surfaced.
McCain foreign policy adviser Randy Sheunemann said McCain's answer was intentional.
"The questioner asked several times about Senator McCain's willingness to meet Zapatero (and id'd him in the question so there is no doubt Senator McCain knew exactly to whom the question referred). Senator McCain refused to commit to a White House meeting with President Zapatero in this interview," he said in an e-mail.
Inderdaadquote:Op vrijdag 19 september 2008 10:49 schreef Verbal het volgende:
Ik zou graag van Stefan horen, mét argumenten, waarom McCain en Palin 'da bomb' zijn, en Obama en Biden 'sukkeltjes'.
Ik heb de tijd.
V.
Verder schijnen enkele Hillary aanhangers over te zijn gelopen naar het McCain kamp, waaronder Donald Trump en Lynn Forester de Rothschild.quote:President Clinton calls Palin “effective candidate”
by Mosheh Oinounou
President Bill Clinton lavished some praise on Sarah Palin today, calling her an “instinctively effective candidate” who cannot be underestimated.
During an interview with CNBC that aired Thursday, the former president repeated that he supports the Obama-Biden ticket and disagrees with McCain-Palin on many issues, but was still extremely complimentary of the Alaska Governor.
Asked if he was surprised by the bounce McCain saw in the polls after selecting Palin, Clinton disagreed.
“No, she is an instinctively effective candidate with a compelling story and I think it was exciting to some that she was a woman that she is from Alaska,” Clinton said. “And she grew up and came up in a political and religious culture that is probably well to the right of the American center but she didn’t basically define herself in those terms. She said ‘this is where I am from, I am not going to impose this on you, this is what I want to do that I think we can all be a part of.’”
He added: “She handled herself well so no, I wasn’t surprised. I think that you know I disagree with them on many issues and that’s why aside from my party affiliation I would be for Obama and Biden anyway but I get why she has done so well. It would be a mistake to underestimate her…her intuitive skills are significant.” /Fox
quote:BROWN: Now to the political story that everybody has been buzzing about today, the prominent Hillary Clinton fundraiser and big- time Democrat who came out for John McCain. And it's not just that she is switching sides, it's what she says about Barack Obama. She calls him elitist. That word a bit surprising for someone who is married to a billionaire. So let's ask her about it.
Joining me live now, Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild. Lady de Rothschild, is it OK if I call you Lynn?
LYNN FORESTER DE ROTHSCHILD, FMR. CLINTON SUPPORTER, FUNDRAISER: Please call me Lynn, Campbell.
BROWN: I absolutely will. So, you have to understand how ridiculous this seems to a lot of people. You're a Rothschild. You're married to a billionaire. You were a millionaire before you married him.
You're a jetsetter. You live between New York and London. And yet, you're calling Barack Obama an elitist. Are you not a member of the elite?
DE ROTHSCHILD: Let me tell you what informs my support of John McCain. I grew up in a middle class town in New Jersey. My father worked two jobs to put four children through college, law school, and medical school. We were taught that we were blessed by God to live in the greatest country in the world. And if we worked hard we could have anything.
And the truth is, I have it. I don't have to be doing what I'm doing supporting John McCain, but I am doing it because I really believe it's John McCain and Sarah Palin who will keep this country the way that I was taught this country.
BROWN: OK. But the point --
DE ROTHSCHILD: They are the great Americans.
BROWN: But I think --
DE ROTHSCHILD: So, please, you know, the class war that Barack Obama would like to declare in this country to divide people is so wrong.
BROWN: OK, we'll stop there.
DE ROTHSCHILD: I have basic --
BROWN: Just stop there for a second. Let me ask you a question because you didn't answer my question. I assume, I guess that you came up through a middle class background. But I was accurate in describing your lifestyle, is it not?
(CROSSTALK)
DE ROTHSCHILD: Let me -- right, you did. You described my lifestyle.
BROWN: OK. But let me ask you specifically to tell me, then, what has Barack Obama said that has caused you to come to this conclusion that he is so elitist and out of touch?
DE ROTHSCHILD: OK. I wrote this piece in the "Wall Street Journal" last week if you want to look at it. What I said is that the Democratic Party has a very bad history with the likes of Adlai Stevenson and people who think they are grander than the rest of us.
Barack Obama --
BROWN: So what makes you think -- what's he said that makes you think this guy thinks he's grander than the rest of us? Specifically, be specific.
DE ROTHSCHILD: You know what? OK, a lot of it is you know it when you see it. This is a person who went to Berlin to speak to 200,000 people. This is a person who made speeches about how he is the one that the world has been waiting for. He came into this campaign talking about audacity. Where I come from, audacity is not a good thing. It's modesty and simplicity and being in politics to help people...
BROWN: OK.
DE ROTHSCHILD: ... not to advance yourself.
BROWN: But -- but --
DE ROTHSCHILD: That's why I admire John McCain. What I said in my piece --
BROWN: But let me ask you -- let me ask you about the issues here, because if you look at the major issues in this election, the war in Iraq and the economy, what everybody in all the polls says are the most important issues in this race. Hillary Clinton, the candidate you supported and you worked hard for, she could not be any more different than John McCain on these issues, but her positions are nearly identical to Barack Obama.
So it sounds like the issues aren't important to you, aren't what you're voting for. You're voting on personality, right?
DE ROTHSCHILD: Campbell, no, you are so wrong. First of all, Hillary Clinton is not in this race. So let's talk about John McCain and Barack Obama. No one --
BROWN: But the whole point of you being here, Lynn, let's be honest, is that you were one of Hillary Clinton's biggest supporters and biggest fundraisers so you making a switch is what's making news. Anybody else making a switch wouldn't make news. So I'm trying to get at what it is about Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama who are identical in all of these --
(CROSSTALK)
ROTHSCHILD: OK, let me tell you -- let me tell you why I am a Democrat. I am a Democrat because I believed -- I believed in the Democratic Party's sense of fairness, sense of fair rules, and most of all, that they would be there to protect the middle class, the family I came from, the town I came from, the people I care about, the people who make America great. I believe in this -- OK. Let's take energy policy.
(CROSSTALK)
BROWN: But you're not giving me any specific reason why you think that Barack Obama is not going to protect the middle class.
DE ROTHSCHILD: OK. Let's take energy policy.
George Bush put forward an energy bill that gave billions of dollars to big oil. Who voted for that? Barack Obama voted for it with President Bush. John McCain voted against it because he said he will not put government subsidies into big corporate hands. OK. BROWN: All right.
DE ROTHSCHILD: Let's look at earmarks. Let's look at the way Barack Obama went to the Senate and earmarked over $830 million to special interests...
BROWN: So let me --
DE ROTHSCHILD: ... including the bridge to nowhere, including $1 million to the employer of his wife.
BROWN: Right.
DE ROTHSCHILD: OK. And John McCain will not do that. That's principle. This country needs principle and courageous leaders.
BROWN: All right. Lynn, let me ask you finally. I mean, I understand you're still a Democrat. You're not going to leave the party.
DE ROTHSCHILD: Right.
BROWN: To some people invariably, it's going to sound like you're bitter. Hillary Clinton didn't get the nomination, this is your way of getting even.
DE ROTHSCHILD: You know what, Campbell? Barack Obama went and he called the people who have guns and cling to their religion bitter. The people out, you know, who are the rednecks or whoever are bitter. If bitter is the easiest way for you to rationalize that I truly with all my heart believe that John McCain will be a great president, then call me bitter. But it doesn't really advance the dialogue, Campbell, sorry.
BROWN: All right.
Well, thank you for being here, Lynn Forester de Rothschild. Appreciate your time tonight.
DE ROTHSCHILD: Thank you. It's nice to be with you.
BROWN: We are going to switch back to our top story, and that is the mess on Wall Street.
Coming up next, it's already Thursday morning in Asia. Those markets reeling. Ali Velshi coming back with an update when we come back.
quote:the class war that Barack Obama would like to declare in this country to divide people
Een leven vol cocktailparty's en jetlags zal ook z'n effect hebben...quote:Op vrijdag 19 september 2008 14:08 schreef Argento het volgende:
Ja, Lynn komt niet echt samenhangend over.
teveel plastische chirurgie?quote:Op vrijdag 19 september 2008 14:08 schreef Argento het volgende:
Ja, Lynn komt niet echt samenhangend over.
lekker soepel gesprek.quote:Op vrijdag 19 september 2008 13:53 schreef Majar het volgende:
Mevrouw legt uit waarom ze op McCain stemt.
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http://www.barackobama.com/issues/quote:Op vrijdag 19 september 2008 14:15 schreef kin238 het volgende:
Maar goed, hebben we nu al concrete plannen gezien van beide presidentskandidaten?
Ja.quote:Op vrijdag 19 september 2008 14:15 schreef kin238 het volgende:
Maar goed, hebben we nu al concrete plannen gezien van beide presidentskandidaten?
Dit wordt goed geïllustreerd door de websites van de beide kandidaten. Obama heeft een pagina over "foreign policy": http://www.barackobama.com/issues/foreignpolicy/ . McCain heeft een pagina over "national security": http://www.johnmccain.com(...)964-54fcf66a1e68.htm . Je ziet een duidelijk verschil hoe beide kandidaten over het buitenland denken.quote:Op vrijdag 19 september 2008 14:21 schreef Monidique het volgende:
Obama wil met tegenstanders en "vijanden" praten. McCain wil niets doen, dreigen met militair geweld, eventueel aanvallen (zeg maar de afgelopen jaren, maar dan erger), en dan hopen dat op de een of andere magische wijze alles goed komt.
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