VS-Iran (nr 26): Israel: aanval op Iran desnoods zonder de VS

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Op vrijdag 5 september 2008 22:28 schreef Kees22 het volgende:
Oh en nog wat: het is niet laf om met vliegtuigen van grote hoogte bommen te gooien op steden?
Of met helicopters raketten af te vuren op een vijand zonder luchtafweer?

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Op vrijdag 5 september 2008 22:24 schreef Kees22 het volgende:

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Zijn de Israeli's echt zo slecht?
Dan moet het land maar snel van de kaart worden geveegd, want dan is het inderdaad de grootste bedreiging van wat voor vrede dan ook.
Je suggereert zelfs, dat ze Europa van de kaart gaan vegen, zodat ze zich van onze mening niks meer hoeven aan te trekken.

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Op vrijdag 5 september 2008 23:08 schreef Kees22 het volgende:

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Ik citeer Monidique:
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Duizenden ongeleide raketten en 39 directe doden plus nog eens 4 mensen die zich doodschrokken.
En die goedgeleide raketten van de Israeli's, alleen bedoeld voor militaire doelen, maakten 1000 tot 1500 doden.

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Inmiddels heeft een groep van vier Speciale Rapporteurs (de rapporteur inzake buitenrechtelijke executies Alston, de rapporteur inzake het recht op gezondheid Hunt, de rapporteur inzake de rechten van ontheemden Kälin en de rapporteur inzake het recht op adequate huisvesting Kothari) op eigen initiatief, d.w.z. zonder formele oproep van de Raad, tussen 7 en 14 september jl. Libanon én Noord-Israël bezocht. De groep rapporteurs heeft zijn bevindingen vastgelegd in het rapport “Mission to Lebanon and Israel” (A/HRC/2/7) dat tijdens de tweede zitting nader is toegelicht en besproken. De vier rapporteurs concluderen dat Israël in dit conflict de mensenrechten en het internationale humanitaire recht heeft geschonden. Zij stellen dat Israël in onvoldoende mate militaire en civiele doelen heeft onderscheiden, de vereiste proportionaliteit uit het oog heeft verloren en onvoldoende voorzorgsmaatregelen heeft genomen om de civiele bevolking te ontzien. De rapporteurs menen verder dat ook Hezbollah het internationale humanitaire recht heeft geschonden door de Libanese burgerbevolking als menselijk schild te gebruiken en de Israëlische burgerbevolking doelbewust met raketten te bestoken. De rapporteurs stellen voor om Israël te vragen meer informatie te verschaffen over de gebruikte clustermunitie, zodat de vernietiging van ongeëxplodeerde munitie makkelijker wordt. Hezbollah wordt opgeroepen de toepasselijkheid van het internationaal humanitair recht te erkennen, Israëlische burgers niet langer als doelwit te gebruiken en zich in te zetten om te voorkomen dat dit in de toekomst weer kan gebeuren. Naar aanleiding van dit informele rapport worden geen initiatieven genomen, aangezien formele actie eerst genomen zou kunnen worden op basis van het vastgestelde rapport van de VN-Onderzoekscommissie.

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The raids were disclosed by UPI chief editor Arnaud de Borchgrave, who is also on the Washington Times staff, and picked up by the Iranian Fars news agency. The Russian raids of two Georgian airfields, which Tbilisi had allowed Israel to use for a potential strike against Iran’s nuclear facilities, followed the Georgian offensive against South Ossetia on Aug. 7.

Under the secret agreement with Georgia, the airfields had been earmarked for use by Israeli fighter-bombers taking off to strike Iran in return for training and arms supplies.

DEBKAfile’s intelligence sources report that flying from S. Georgia over the Caspian Sea to Iran would sharply trim the distance to be spanned by Israeli fighter-bombers, reducing flying time to 3.5 hours.

Northern Iran and the Tehran region, where most of the nuclear facilities are concentrated, would be within range, with no need to request US permission to pass through Iraq air space.

Russian Special Forces also raided other Israeli facilities in southern Georgia and captured Israeli spy drones, says the report.

Israel was said to have used the two airfields to “conduct recon flights over southern Russia as well as into nearby Iran.” The US intelligence sources quoted by UPI reported that the Russian force also carried home other Israeli military equipment captured at the air bases.

Our sources say that if the Russians got hold of an Israeli unmanned aerial vehicle complete with sophisticated electronic reconnaissance equipment, they will have secured some of the IDF’s most secret devices for spying on Iran and Syria.

When this happened before, Russian military engineers quickly dismantled the equipment, studied it and passed the technology on to Tehran and Damascus.

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Peres: There's no military solution to Iran nuke row

The international row over Iran's nuclear program can only be addressed diplomatically rather than through military means, President Shimon Peres said on Friday.

"I think the problem can be resolved not militarily but politically and economically," Peres was quoted as saying by the AFP news agency. The president was speaking to reporters on the sidelines of a meeting in the northern Italian town of Cernobbio, site of the Ambrosetti Forum, an annual gathering of global political and business leaders in an Italian lakeside resort.

In remarks carried by the Italian news agency ANSA and cited by AFP, he described a military option in dealing with Iran as "an error."
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"So long as there is a possibility of acting politically and economically, it is much better," Peres said.

Peres appeared side by side with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas. Both leaders spoke before the crowd about the political, diplomatic and security situation that exist between Israel and the Palestinians and the Arab world in general, and said that Israel and the Palestinian Authority are closer than ever to a peace deal.

Abbas pledged to try to reach a final status peace agreement with Israel by the end of the year - but he admitted the goal, set by U.S. President George W. Bush, might not be achieved.

Abbas also rejected the notion that he and Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert might put forth a partial document outlining the areas in which they do agree and leaving open other issues - most notably, and most sensitive, the sharing of Jerusalem as a joint capital.

"It is necessary for the agreement to address all ... issues," said Abbas. "It is all or nothing, really," he continued.

Abbas and Olmert - and their negotiating teams - have held periodic, secretive meetings since peace talks were reignited at Annapolis, Maryland, in November 2007.

Palestinian officials close to the talks have said some progress has been made on the issue of borders, but the issue of Jerusalem, especially the Old City with its Jewish, Muslim and Christian holy sites, appears to be as stuck as ever.

The sides also have been unable to come up with a formula addressing the plight of millions of Palestinian refugees and their descendants.

Asked about a possible Likud victory in the next elections, Abbas sidestepped the issue.

"We might not be able to reach a final status agreement by the end of the year," he said. "We will make all possible efforts."

Abbas said if no agreement was reached while Bush remained in office, "the new administration should not wait seven years for us to start negotiations".

"It should begin immediately as soon as a new president is in the White House."

Israeli President Shimon Peres, who has used his largely ceremonial role and his stature as an elder statesman to push peace efforts in the past, addressed the forum after the Palestinian President.

"We have to try to reach an agreement," Peres told the crowd. "We have to act on the supposition that it is possible."

Referring to Hamas, Iran and Hezbollah, Peres said that the next elections in the Palestinian Authority must be carried out as a truly democratic process. The Israeli president emphasized that the concept of democracy must be upheld, not only on the day the elections take place, but more importantly on the day after.

"It is illogical that an organization abuses the tools of democracy to install a military, terrorist, murderous and religious fanatic dictatorship," said Peres.

Peres said that Iran no longer represents its infamous history rather it is now a radical and fanatical regime that represents a threat to the Middle East and the entire world.

"I do not support military action against Iran but the world must become a united front and impose harsh economic sanctions on Iran," said Peres

Peres also urged progress with Syria, which is currently engaged in indirect talks with Israel via Turkish mediation. He called for Syrian president Bashar Assad to make a personal gesture similar to the dramatic 1977 Jerusalem visit by Anwar Sadat of Egypt, which led to a peace agreement in 1979.

"I think if President Assad will create a visit to Israel or alternatively invite the prime minister of Israel to go to Damascus we shall see a major change," he said. "I believe the best way is to start with a meeting and then have negotiations."

Abbas, whose people have sometimes fretted that prioritizing wider Mideast agreements might leave the Palestinians in the cold, said he would support Israeli progress with Syria or other Arab nations.

"Possible success for those negotiations could facilitate peace for us, too, said Abbas. "If the Arab League proposal were adopted," he said,"27 Islamic states would proceed with peace with Israel. Israel would be in an ocean of peace."

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Op zaterdag 6 september 2008 00:39 schreef mr.marcus het volgende:
Russian units raid Georgian airfields for use in Israeli strike against Iran
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http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=5559

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Op maandag 8 september 2008 01:31 schreef FatihReloadeD het volgende:
De oorlog is allang begonnen

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2008 11:44 schreef Ahmadinejjad het volgende:
Oorlog met Iran zal 3e wereldoorlog veroorzaken
http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=67970§ionid=351020104

Attack on Iran to spark new 'world war'
Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:05:07 GMT
Brigadier General Seyyed Masoud Jazayeri
A senior Iranian military commander says any aggression against his country over its nuclear program would lead to a new world war.

"The unlimited greed of the US officials and international Zionism, whose signs can be observed in Sudan,

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Op woensdag 3 september 2008 20:53 schreef SeLang het volgende:

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Welke bondgenoten heeft Iran dan?
De meeste landen in de regio hopen in stilte dat iemand iets gaat doen want zij zijn ook bang voor een Iran met kernwapens

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Op vrijdag 12 september 2008 17:30 schreef Grenadier het volgende:
De Islam zal zegevieren na de Derde Wereld Oorlog, mark my words.