Ouders van Madeleine McCann+Tapas 7 weigeren reconstructie..

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Op dinsdag 15 juli 2008 12:42 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
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Inderdaad, als ze er nu alles aan hadden gedaan en volledig hadden meegewerkt dan was die stap om een alert in te laten voeren en al die publiciteit misschien wel een missie om de nagedachtenis van hun kind levend te houden, >knip<

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Murat To Get Damages From Papers
Robert Murat has settled a claim for damages with a number of British newspapers over allegations of his involvement in the Madeleine McCann inquiry. Mr Murat will be in the High Court in London on Thursday to receive apologies from the newspapers. Sky's crime correspondent Martin Brunt said Mr Murat has settled with the lawyers of eight newspapers. It is believed however that he was looking to sue 10 newspapers.

He added that Mr Murat was expecting to get a number of apologies read out in court. "I'm told there was speculation about a figure of £2m he was claiming," Brunt said. "As I understand it, he's expecting to get £250,000 to £500,000." It was widely considered at the time that this was one of the biggest ever libel claims.

Newspapers both in Portugal and Britain wrote many articles about Mr Murat when he became the first 'arguido' - or suspect - in the case of Madeleine's disappearance. He was hauled in by Portuguese policemen, spoken to and questioned for about 17 hours before being released.

He vehemently denied any involvement and was quite taken aback by the newspaper speculation coverage of his alleged involvement. Apart from allegations of him being involved, there were lurid allegations written about him and his private life. Madeleine disappeared on May 3, 2007, days before her fourth birthday.

She had been left sleeping in a holiday apartment as her parents Kate and Gerry dined with friends in a nearby tapas bar in the resort of Praia da Luz in southern Portugal. More follows...Sky News

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MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann MADDIE WATCH - Madeleine McCann: Robert Murat Wins Damages

ROBERT Murat, the one-eyed, “oddball“, “weirdo“, “bouncy castle” fetishist, fingered by the Sunday Mirror’s Lori Campbell, has settled a claim for damages with a number of British newspapers over allegations of his involvement in the Madeleine McCann inquiry.

Mr Murat will be in the High Court in London on Thursday to receive apologies from the newspapers.

Did he get £1million? Did they all apologise?

The Sun’s Julie Moult considers the evidence. And delivers a piece entitled “stories of a fantasist”. “He always seemed so eager to get involved in the police investigation,” says the Sun’s woman–on-the-scene. “Robert claimed he had a daughter just like Madeleine and said he felt compelled to do anything he could. But to me he seemed like classic fantasist.”

The settlement is with eight UK national newspapers, with damages totalling between £250,000 and £500,000, according to Sky News.

The Mail’s Neil Sears also spots Murat. In “My encounters with a man ‘who just wanted to help’”, Sears tells Mail readers, “There was something more to the friendly expat who called himself ‘Rob’ than met the eye.”

The Sunday Mirror’s Lori Cambell who alerted police to Murat’s behaviour, she saw as “creepy”. She todl the police. But why did she tell the world?

Paul Titcombe had worked with Murat, and the Sun duly noted:

“Paul also suspected Murat had an unhealthy interest in children,” notes the Sun. Interesting. But, sadly, the Sun does not enlarge on this. The usually loquacious Titcombe is not quoted. Examples are not cited.

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The Sun hears from Murat’s former work colleague Ji Stanton. Says he: “If he didn’t take his medication, he could be very Jekyll and Hyde. People did see him as creepy.”

The Express topped the lot by comparing an innocent Murat to Soham killer Ian Huntley.

“Kidnapping has weird echoes of Soham case,” says the Express’s front page. “MADDY SUSPECT BEHAVED JUST LIKE HUNTLEY.”

Tuck Price defended Murat when they pointed the finger, and Kate McCann wondered, before the tabloids cleared him. Berore he killed himself. Before he became another Michael Cook. Jenny Murat remained steadfast. We watched his girlfriend.

Max Clifford. Calling Max Clifford…

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Op dinsdag 15 juli 2008 17:15 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Toen ik het postte was dat er nog niet... Maar goed, ik had geloof ik een hele poos geleden al gezegd dat ik het meer terecht zou vinden dat Murat een vergoeding zou krijgen, gelukkig heeft hij die nu ook gehad, die 'reporter' die hem zo aan het demoniseren is geweest spoort zelf niet helemaal, Google maar eens op de naam. De blogs vind ik soms wel leuk om te lezen maar dat gehakketak over en weer en die complotten zijn soms niet om door te komen, ik ben regelmatig op zoek naar m'n alu-hoedje.

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Hello. I'm from Portugal and I am following this case in the news everyday since Madeleine was abducted on May 3. I have to disagree with some british media saying portuguese police is under-resourced and under-experienced. Our police is good in cases like this. In Sept 2004 a little girl disapeared in Algarve and the police solved the case. Unfortunately, the girl was killed by her mother who is now in jail for the next 20 years.

With Madeleine they are doing an impossible job. Within hours they had hundreds of agents on location, helicopters, they even closed border to Portugal/Spain in Algarve. The navy is in the water since day one, and they still there. If Madeleine is in Portugal they will find her. One or two days after the crime someone spoted a man with a little blonde girl and called the police and 5 minutes later police was there (they were father and daughter on vacations). The only diference from UK is that some issues cannot be discussed in public. They hold information that is important to the investigation. They only release information that can help. I don't think that is unusual. The first days, police didn't tell all they know to the parents because they were suspects. The media coverage is unbelievable. Rarely seen anything like this in Portugal. We only have 3 nacional TV Stations and, no matter what time, at least one of them is broadcasting live from Algarve. In the last 10 days, if you are in Portugal and turn on the TV you will see something about Madeleine. There's a big reward for the safe return of Madeleine. Writer JK Rowling of "Harry Poter" is offering a substancial reward. All rewards together from celebraties and friends of the family sum up to 4 million euro. Soccer superstars Cristiano Ronald and David Beckam made apeals. Madeleine's uncle, John McCann, is trying to put photos on giant screens in Glasgow stadium during the Uefa cup final next wednesday. The last news, police now know the motive of the crime and believe can rescue Madeleine at any moment. Don't know if dead or alive. The prime suspect is someone from UK in vacations in the same resort (problably friends of Madeleine's parents) or an employee of the resort.

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Some details, as I read the news here in Portugal:

The resort had a 24 hour baby sitting service that the parents turned down. Later they told the police they thought there were security cameras all over the resort. They left the 3 children sleeping in the house and had dinner in a restaurant inside the resort 50 meters away. They could see the back of the house but they could not see any windows or any doors. They checked the kids every 15 minutes or so. The police took more than 2 hours to get there because the McCanns contacted the British council, instead of going directly to the police. The British Council contacted the UK police and the UK police contacted the portuguese police. This is a low crime area, however during the summer when Algarve is full of tourists there are some robberys always during dinner time when the thieves know the tourists are at the restaurants and sometimes don't even lock the doors.

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Op woensdag 16 juli 2008 13:38 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
Goedemiddag!

Kijk eens wat een verschil in berichtgeving, de Clarrie spin druipt er af in de Engelse artikelen:
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http://www.dvhn.nl/nieuws(...)jgt_schadevergoeding
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http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=132935&command=displayContent&sourceNode=132702&contentPK=21091134&folderPk=77465&pNodeId=132393

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Legal editor for the Daily Telegraph Joshua Rozenberg told the BBC the British newspapers were now clearly admitting they could not defend their allegations. "They realise that this is one of the most damaging things you could say about anybody, and it appears that they have all clubbed together and agreed to settle the libel claim out of court." "He added: "As far as English law is concerned, he is being vindicated and the newspapers are very clearly saying that they cannot justify what they alleged." Niri Shan, a media lawyer who specialises in defamation, said Mr Murat's status as a suspect did not justify the allegations published. "I suspect it won't be too long before that status might be lifted. So I think the newspapers have made a calculated decision to get out of the action early before costs become a major factor in the litigation," he said. Under Portuguese law someone can remain an official suspect without charge for as long as the investigation is continuing. Kate and Gerry McCann also remain official suspects in the inquiry."

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Breaking News:

Maddie case will know "a solution" on Monday
Madeleine: Republic’s Attorney General Office will release “a solution” for the case on Monday

16 de Julho de 2008, 16:10

Lisboa, 16 Jul (Lusa) – The Republic’s Attorney General Office will present “a solution” for the “Maddie case” on Monday, the Attorney General, Pinto Monteiro, announced today.

During statements to journalists upon exiting the inauguration ceremony of the president of the Appeals Court of Lisbon, Vaz das Neves, the Republic’s Attorney General announced that his Office will release a press note about the “Maddie case” on Monday.

“This means that the ‘Maddie case’ will have a solution on Monday which will be communicated to you”, Pinto Monteiro said.

When questioned by the journalists about what solution will be announced concerning the “Maddie case”, the Attorney General refused to anticipate an answer, merely saying that it will be “the one that will be read out to you”.

Source: LUSA by astro

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D-Day for Madeleine McCann case looms
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Portugal's attorney general is to announce on Monday what he intends to do about the police investigation into Madeleine McCann's disappearance.

Prosecutors have been reviewing the final police report into what happened to Madeleine, who went missing in the Algarve in May last year, a few days before her fourth birthday.

After receiving their recommendations, Attorney General Fernando Pinto Monteiro will decide whether to bring charges, ask police to undertake further inquiries or close the case.

Mr Pinto Monteiro said he intended to issue a statement giving his decision.

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"Monteiro's words also fuelled speculation that the case could finally be drawing to a close. He told reporters in Lisbon today: "The Maddie case will have a solution on Monday and you will hear of it."

Reports suggested he would announce whether the case would be closed, charges would be brought or more inquiries made. The McCanns' spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, said the family, whose daughter went missing from their holiday apartment on May 3 last year, had not been contacted by the Portuguese authorities.

"We've heard nothing official and our lawyers have heard nothing official," he said. "It may well be true, but we can't comment because we haven't heard. We're not going to prejudice anything."

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"With all due respect, I don't know why this is so hard to understand:
THERE IS NO CLOSING OF THE CASE.
The process may be archived, AWAITING THE PRODUCTION OF BETTER EVIDENCE.
The case, like the investigation itself, remains OPEN.
The process may be reopened at any time, and arguidos made again, if relevant evidence is found.
I don't know how to say this in a more clear manner.
The case is not closed until it is discovered, and proved, what happened to Madeleine.
I never dreamt that this could be so difficult to understand, and to report accurately.

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Op donderdag 17 juli 2008 12:13 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
Goedemiddag!

Om er voor te zorgen dat dit artikel niet ineens 'kwijt' is post ik hem even in z'n geheel:
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http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23517152-details/article.do?ito=newsnow&

Vooral dat stukje van CM:
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Natuurlijk vertellen ze vantevoren niets aan de verdachten, kom op zeg, als blijkt dat ze aangeklaagd gaan worden dan zijn de McCanns toch financieel in staat om een poosje te verdwijnen? Hij blijft er maar op hameren dat ze niet genoeg info krijgen, natuurlijk niet, dat is toch nooit zo bij verdachten?

En dat de familie vigorously the neglect charges gaat verwerpen, dat kan hij best roepen maar volgens mij is hij geen advocaat dus is dat alleen maar valse lucht verplaatsen, dit is weer zo'n artikel dat de potentie heeft te gaan verdwijnen, vooral als de McCanns er niet zo goed afkomen als CM ons wil doen geloven.

Ik vind die Portugese mensen in jouw links meer helder en duidelijk dan de hele Britse pers met hun CM spin op de frontpages Suko.....

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"Maddie Case will be archived next Monday

Maddie Case will be archived next Monday

The process relative to Madeleine McCann disappearance will be available for consultation to the lawyers from next week. The secrecy of justice was not extended and the Public Ministry is getting ready to conclude the final report.

Source: Correio da Manhã

Note: full article is still not online, will update soon as possible. by Joana Morais

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Maddie Case will be archived next Monday

The process relative to Madeleine McCann disappearance will be available for consultation to the lawyers from next week. The secrecy of justice was not extended and the Public Ministry is getting ready to conclude the final report. Pinto Monteiro, the Attorney General, announced yesterday that on Monday new phases of the process will be known which goes through a limited consultation of the legal proceedings[autos]. This week some selective scannings were done, for specific consultations for the legal representatives.

Everything indicates that the case, which ending will be the archiving waiting for better evidences [to substantiate the crime], will never be really open to the ‘public poll’. A situation that the law predicts, since there are in question fundamental rights, like the reserve of the private life. It is probable that some files attached, like the one that contains Kate's diaries, will be ordered to be destroyed because of not being considered relevant.

Kate, Gerry and Robert Murat will stop being arguido after the archiving of legal process.

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‘CM’ reveals – 15 of the 19 genetic markers found

English want secrecy

The McCanns want to hide the data from the Birmingham laboratory

One magistrate and two policemen, including Stuart Prior, responsible for the connection with the PJ, were at the Court in Portimão yesterday, trying to convince the Public Ministry prosecutor Magalhães e Menezes not to release the entire process of the disappearance of Madeleine from the judicial secrecy. One of the situations that the English want is that the preliminary report from the Birmingham lab, which mentions that “15 of the 19 genetic markers that were found in a residue that was collected from the couple’s car’s boot, are a match [with the missing child]” is not made public. Their pretention was denied.

Also the residues that were collected behind the sofa, according to the first report, “coincide with the corresponding components in the DNA profile of Madeleine McCann”, which led the Portuguese police and also the English liaison officer to fundament their suspicions that the child died between 5.30 p.m. and 10 p.m. at the Ocean Club, in Praia da Luz, and that the body was transported in the car that was rented by the parents 22 days later.

With the lifting of the judicial secrecy next week, some of those documents may be made public. CM knows that the fundaments of the preliminary report, allied to the elements that were collected by the investigation in the meantime, led the authorities onto the path of the parents as suspects of the child’s death. Kate and Gerry McCann later alleged that there were no indicia against them, but another report, signed by Mark Harrisom, the English policeman who was assigned to help the Portuguese authorities, also peremptorily stated that the little girl was dead. The English officer even admitted the possibility that the body of little Madeleine had been thrown into the sea, and equally defended the potentialities of the sniffer dogs, that are experts in detecting odours of cadaver and blood.

Details

Extracted from the hair. Madeleine McCann’s DNA was extracted from several residues that were collected at the apartment. Among them, hair that was found on the little girl’s brush and also saliva that was collected from the pillow.

19. In Portugal, the collection of 19 genetic markers is demanded for the determination of paternity. But in other countries, like the USA, only 12 are demanded.

15. On the residues that were collected from the rented car’s boot after the disappearance, 15 genetic markers that are identical to Madeleine were found.

Traces of a crime

Two dogs that are specially trained to assist in criminal investigation detected cadaver odour in the McCanns’ bedroom, in the living room, on Kate’s clothes, on the little girl’s soft toy and on the car key, as well as blood traces in the car boot and in the apartment’s living room.

Theoretical contamination possible

The second report from the English lab, which was sent after the child’s relatives were made arguidos, raises theoretical doubts that end up annulling the first conclusions.

The technicians say that if the residues that were collected are from one single source, then they belong to Madeleine. But if they were contaminated with DNA from Kate or Gerry (who present genetic resemblances because they are the biological parents), they may not belong to the child. Apart from that, according to the experts, the obtained results are so complex that they do not allow for an absolute reading.

British technique can be verified

The technique that was used by the English experts to verify the residues that were collected from the McCanns’ apartment and car is one of the most sophisticated in the world.

It is used in that country and in the United States because it allows for the extraction of DNA profiles from very tenuous residues, by augmenting the amplification cycles. Due to the fact that it demands for very expensive material, and leads to results that are difficult to decode, this technique has not earned followers in Europe yet.

In these reports, which were sent to the Polícia Judiciária months apart from each other, the authorities start by explaining the technique that is used, and state that they used a reference DNA sample from Madeleine McCann. That sample was obtained from “saliva stains that existed on the pillowcase”.

DNA from the rest of the family was also verified, because they contain similar genetic markers and to avoid any confusion with the results.

Throughout the 22 pages of the report, which was signed by the same expert in both cases, it is frequent for the specialist in Microbiology and Biochemistry to admit that the complexity of the obtained data does not allow for a correct reading.

Nevertheless, the laboratory has duplicated the residues, a fact that makes it possible for the same results to be contradicted by the Portuguese Forensic Medicine experts.

According to what our newspaper was able to establish, some questions are still in the air and the foreseen archiving on Monday is certainly not going to clarify them. Namely the motive for the test results to have taken several months to be made known to the authorities, and having been altered in such a substantial manner.

It should also be referred that separate tests were made afterwards, which originated other reports – they all continued to be inconclusive.

Gerry is the father

The possibility, which was advanced by a Portuguese newspaper, was never under investigation. Gerry is Maddie’s and the twins’ biological father, according to what the genetic profiles of the family members were able to confirm.

Murat | Compensation – Murat is going to receive 757 thousand euros from British newspapers that recognized yesterday that they had published defamatory and false news about him.

Archiving | Evidence – The archiving of the process, which is due to be announced on Monday, does not mean that the case is going to be buried. It may be reopened if new evidence appears.

McCanns | Arguidos - If there is no final dispatch, Kate and Gerry remain as arguidos. Today, Robert Murat also maintains the same status. Source: Correio da Manhã 18.07.2008, paper edition.

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bomaris wrote:
Does anyone else think this might be in response to a court order from pro Mrs. Justice Hogg?

Bingo. I think you have got it. I believe Amaral was very frustrated by the British police seeming to being following up every McCann team lead. Now we know about the court involvement it was quite liking court ordered that they do so.

The ward of the court strategy was orginally set up to enable parents in custody type abductions to force the police to take action. The McCanns seemed to have used it to force the British police to follow up their leads through the family court orders. You could be exactly right the family court could well have ordered the British police to protect Madeleine by suppressing public access to the details of the case.

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English Ignored Complaint for Paedophilia Against One of the McCanns Friends

Statements: Doctors Friends of the McCanns talked with the British Police
English ignored complaint for paedophilia against one of the McCanns Friends

Dave Payne, one of the friends of the McCann who were vacationing in the Algarve on the 3rd of May last year, when Madeleine disappeared, was suspected for paedophile behaviour.

Read all the details of this case on Saturdays edition of the newspaper Correio da Manhã.

Source: Correio da Manhã 19 July 08

Update will folow as soon as we get our hands on the paper edition. Main aspects of what's to come- 5 pages article

The suspicions were raised by a couple, friends of the Paynes, in the summer of 2005.
This couple, Katherina and Arul, both doctors, went to the British police 12 days after Madeleine went missing. They overheard some conversations between jerry and David that indicated interest in sex with minors. This information was only received by the PJ last January.

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Depositions – Doctor friends of the McCanns spoke to the English police

Payne suspected of paedophilia

Twelve days after Maddie disappeared, a couple revealed the strange behaviour of one of the group’s members. Testimonies only reached the Judiciária in January this year

David Payne, one of the McCanns’ friends that were on holidays in the Algarve on the 3rd of May last year, when Madeleine disappeared, was suspected of paedophile behaviours.

The accusations were brought by a couple of friends that spent their holidays with part of the group in the summer of 2005 – themselves also English doctors. Twelve days after the British girl disappeared, Katherina and Arul could no longer keep the secret that had bothered them for two years and went to the police to make a statement. They revealed two conversations between Dave and Gerry, during which both revealed suspicious behaviour and indiciated sex with minors.

According to what CM was able to establish, the depositions were given on the 16th of May. But they only entered the process in January 2008 and are included in the 13th volume of the process files. At that point in time, Kate and Gerry were already arguidos, the rogatory letters had already been issued and the English, including Dave, showed their reluctance in returning to Portugal.

Touching the nipple

Katherina made a statement that was eight pages long. She reported holidays in Mallorca with several English [people], including the McCanns and the Paynes. Two incidents left her with serious doubts about the friends’ behaviour and lead her to create suspicions that were never confirmed.

The first one happened on a night when Gerry and Dave were talking about Maddie. Katherina does not know what they were saying but she remembers that Dave sucked on his fingers, pushing them into the mouth and pulling them out again, while his other hand traced a circle around the nipple, with a circular movement over the clothes. “That was done in a provocative manner”, recalls Katherina, who says that it stuck to her memory.

Days later, the scene repeated itself. The doctor saw Dave making the same gestures again, while he talked about his own daughter. Scared, Katherina said nothing about the incident. But she took special caution, asking her husband never to let the doctor come close to the bathroom when her daughter was having a bath.

Arul went to the police to tell the same story. Katherina’s companion confirmed the gestures that were made by Dave during the conversation with Gerry but asserted that he wasn’t aware that they were talking about Maddie. He did find the behaviour in extremely bad taste, but didn’t see it being repeated.

The incident ended up forgotten in his memory and it was only the disappearance of Madeleine, who had also been with them on the Mallorca vacation, that revived it.

During the deposition, Katherina went even further and said she had associated the gestures to someone who likes to watch child pornography. “I remember thinking whether he looked at the girls in a different manner”, she concluded.

Friends from school days

Arul and Kate were friends from their school days. They have known each other for approximately 20 years and that was the motive that led the couple to accompany the McCanns on their holidays to Mallorca. Arul and Katherina did not know Fiona and Dave and they only met again once, during a dinner that gathered several couples. When Maddie disappeared from the Ocean Club, Katherina remembered the incident in Mallorca. And she immediately tried to verify whether Dave had again been accompanying the McCann couple, as the suspicions about his behaviour still stood. In the deposition that was made to the English police, Katherina says she decided to give a statement when she saw the tv images. Dave was among the same holiday group.

Doubts in the case

Irishman not heard – An Irishman who was spending holidays in Praia da Luz also went to the English police to report that on the night of the 3rd of May he saw Gerry carrying Madeleine towards the beach. He was never heard through a rogatory letter.

Sending delayed – The difference between the date when the deposition was obtained and the time when it was sent is not explained in the process.CM knows that the English authorities did not provide an explanation, either.

Bank account info – The PJ tried to know the bank account situation of every element of the group, in order to search for possible motives for the crime. But the English answers were laconic and did not help the investigation.

Life stories – The life stories of Gerry and Kate McCann remain unknown. The PJ tried to verify whether Maddie’s mother suffered from depression but never received her clinical records, because the judge did not allow it.

Kate accused of conditioning the case

An intercalary report from the Polícia Judiciária, which was produced immediately before Kate and Gerry were made arguidos, accuses Madeleine’s parents of having conditioned the investigation. The document is signed by an inspector and was directed to Gonçalo Amaral, who was then coordinating the process.

The investigator then stated that the information that had been collected initially, was worked by the group in order to sustain the abduction theory. He guarantees that they all lied to protect themselves and even suggests that some could have been covering the crime up.

The testimony from Janne Turner [sic], who guarantees that she saw a man crossing the street with a child in his arms, is also questioned. The policeman said that Janne [sic] was only two or three metres away from Gerry but he failed to see the man. And that, by stating that the man was headed towards Murat’s house, she ended up orienting the investigation into a false direction, which led to an unnecessary waste of time.

The same report exposes other contradictions in the English’s depositions. Kate and Gerry say that they picked up their children from the crèche at 5.30 p.m., but while the former guarantees that they went for a half-hour run on the beach and only then returned to the apartment, her husband states that they went to play tennis during that period.

After that, at around 8 p.m., one of the elements of the group reportedly went to the apartment that had been rented by the couple. Kate says that he was there only for 30 seconds and then left. Gerry speaks about half an hour. The policeman remembers that the time difference is what is needed between asking whether everything is well, or advancing in case a crime has to be concealed.

Another situation that the authorities found strange was the fact that Kate, upon realizing that Maddie had disappeared, remained inside the apartment for ten minutes. Only then did she ask for help, leaving the twins asleep in their cots while she returned to the restaurant. The policeman who wrote the report asks how it is possible that a mother facilitates the safety of her other children when it is certain that by that time she was already screaming that her daughter had been abducted.

They could not see the apartment

Another contradiction was pointed out by the inspector who was in charge of the Maddie case. The policeman remembered that the McCanns asserted that their position inside the restaurant was a strategic one, so they could see the apartment where their children were sleeping. But according to several testimonies, Kate and Gerry had their backs turned to the apartment.

source: Correio da Manhã 19.07.2008, paper edition