Bedrijfsgoddelijken verdienen WEER veel MEER!! #17

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Op vrijdag 16 mei 2008 17:25 schreef DS4 het volgende:

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UIt economische overwegingen mocht Ierland een begunstigend beleid voeren mbt belastingen om bedrijven binnen te halen. Vandaar dat het in Dublin zo gezellig is met al die expats.

Kritiek op NL is er overigens vooral vanuit de OESO.

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Op vrijdag 16 mei 2008 12:43 schreef EchtGaaf het volgende:

En hoofdkantoor van Philips kon wel gemakkelijk en snel naar Amsterdam worden verkast. En dat omdat Amsterdam sexyer klinkt

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Op vrijdag 16 mei 2008 17:09 schreef icecreamfarmer_NL het volgende:

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kom op hoe realistisch is het om als bedrijf een miljarden kostende organisatie als een verhuizing op te zetten en alleen omdat men (publiek en politiek) vindt dat het krom is om bestuurders zoveel te betalen terwijl ze slecht presteren.

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Op vrijdag 16 mei 2008 18:47 schreef EchtGaaf het volgende:

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Ja?

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Op vrijdag 16 mei 2008 10:06 schreef nikk het volgende:

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http://www.volkskrant.nl/(...)plaatst_hoofdkantoor

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Op vrijdag 16 mei 2008 19:09 schreef EchtGaaf het volgende:
Bos heeft iig een goede zet gedaan door het op Europees niveau op de agenda te zetten. Het is duidelijk gebleken dat in alle Europese landen het probleem speelt.

De schrijver van het boek "Het Grote Graaien" Xander van Uffelen was danig verrast hoe GETERGD de topbestuurders to nu toe hebben gereageerd. En steeds maar weer hetzelfde slappe riedeltje afdraaiden, dat ze niet anders kunnen vanwege internationale concurrentie om da vervolgens te gaan koppelen met ene loos kinderachtig dreigement. Wat die naïeve topbestuurders, of liever gezegd, zwaar over het paard getilde diva's blijkbaar niet doorhebben dat op internationaal niveau de topsalarissen onder druk staan. In the USA, de EU landen, Engeland, Australië is het debat ten volle aan de gang.

Waar moeten "onze slachtoffertjes " dan in vredesnaam heen?

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Op vrijdag 16 mei 2008 19:09 schreef EchtGaaf het volgende:
Bos heeft iig een goede zet gedaan door het op Europees niveau op de agenda te zetten. Het is duidelijk gebleken dat in alle Europese landen het probleem speelt.

De schrijver van het boek "Het Grote Graaien" Xander van Uffelen was danig verrast hoe GETERGD de topbestuurders to nu toe hebben gereageerd. En steeds maar weer hetzelfde slappe riedeltje afdraaiden, dat ze niet anders kunnen vanwege internationale concurrentie om da vervolgens te gaan koppelen met ene loos kinderachtig dreigement. Wat die naïeve topbestuurders, of liever gezegd, zwaar over het paard getilde diva's blijkbaar niet doorhebben dat op internationaal niveau de topsalarissen onder druk staan. In the USA, de EU landen, Engeland, Australië is het debat ten volle aan de gang.

Waar moeten "onze slachtoffertjes " dan in vredesnaam heen?

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Op vrijdag 16 mei 2008 19:58 schreef EchtGaaf het volgende:

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Ja, Klopkoek het is te ERG voor woorden dit. Dit moet toch uiteindelijk toch ontploffen? dit kan toch geen stand houden????

Werkelijk te bespottelijk voor woorden.

Hoe lang moeten we dit nou toch nog pikken?

Hoe lang nog?

Dank wederom voor je statistieken

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Dutch move to limit big payouts for chief executives
By Stephen Castle

Tuesday, May 13, 2008
AMSTERDAM: As a young executive at Procter & Gamble, Jan Bennink regularly brought home large packets of diapers, poured water over them, then cut them open to check on the absorbency of the material inside.

The workaholic Dutchman later prospered as a top executive at Danone, the French food giant, before moving to a struggling Dutch baby food maker, Numico, and turning that company around.

Though his career reads like a business school case study, Bennink became famous in the Netherlands not for his boardroom success, but for cashing in stock options, performance shares and bonuses worth around €80 million, or $124 million, when Danone snapped up Numico for €12.3 billion last year.

The compensation created such a public furor among the egalitarian Dutch that the government is backing an unusual law that takes a first crack at curbing such windfalls. The legislation, drafted by the finance minister, Wouter Bos, was sent to Parliament on Tuesday, where it is expected to pass in time to come into force next year.

"I believe cohesion in society is not served by inexplicable inequalities," Bos said at a recent seminar of center-left politicians, held at a country-house hotel north of London. "Public support for entrepreneurship around the globe is eroded if you let this continue, and this is not in the interests of our economy or entrepreneurship."

Bennink's payout was front page news in the Netherlands, coming on top of another one - an estimated €22 million for Rijkman Groenink after his bank, ABN AMRO, was sold last year. But the issue is climbing to the top of the political agenda across Europe.

Finance ministers from euro-zone countries had executive pay on the agenda of their monthly meeting Tuesday night.

Last month in Germany, the Social Democrats, who are part of the coalition government there, called for a €1 million limit on the amount of top executives' pay that companies can fully deduct from taxable profit.

President Nicolas Sarkozy of France promised during his campaign last year to ban large severance packages, so-called golden parachutes, for poorly performing executives, after lucrative high-level departures from companies like EADS and Vivendi.

In 2003, shareholders in Britain had obtained the right to cast advisory votes on executive pay.

But the debate is most advanced in the Netherlands, where Dutch notions of social equality have come into violent collision with the country's tradition of enterprise and trade.

"Because of the amount of money, not only people in the street but people in the boardrooms were asking questions," Xander van Uffelen, the economics editor of de Volkskrant newspaper and author of a new book on executive pay, said of the Numico payout.

"Everybody said Bennink did a wonderful job, but they were also saying: 'Couldn't it be done for 10 million or 20 million?' " he said.

Jordan Otten, assistant professor at the Rotterdam School of Management of Erasmus University, described the general impression in Groenink's case as being that he "got rich from this merger rather than from good performance."

Both men have kept a low profile since the storm broke. Neither would agree to talk to the International Herald Tribune. But in a recent interview with Het Financieele Dagblad, a Dutch business paper, Bennink complained about the criticism.

"Only in the Netherlands am I the man with 80 million," said Bennink. "In the rest of the world I get compliments on the job I have done."

By international standards Dutch executives do not appear to be overpaid. Otten says executive salaries and cash bonuses in the Netherlands are about 25 percent of U.S. levels and half of those in Britain. The gap would be "significantly greater" if more data on options and shares were available, he added.

Bos's proposal would require companies to pay a tax of 30 percent on a golden parachute of €500,000 or more. It also would increase by 15 percent the employer tax contributions to company pensions for executives who make €500,000 a year or more.

In fact, were the law already in force, it would have had only a marginal impact on Bennink or Groenink. Their big money came not from a severance deal but from stocks and options.

Van Uffelen, whose newspaper has done regular surveys of remuneration among top Dutch executives, dates big increases to the 1990s. It was, he says, a decade in which several Dutch companies acquired foreign companies and business leaders discovered that they were earning less than their new juniors.

One example cited in Van Uffelen's book, "Het grote graaien," or "The Big Grab," is ING bank, which made acquisitions in Belgium, Britain and the United States in the 1990s. By 2003 the bank's chief executive, Ewald Kist, was earning €1 million a year - less than 110 of the executives who worked for him.

Until now efforts to curb what the Dutch public perceived as excesses have concentrated on increasing transparency or shareholder power, rather than legislation.

An initiative of Aug. 31, 2002, forced companies to reveal individual salaries, increasing accountability. But it also allowed senior executives to compare their remuneration with that of rivals.

Codes of conduct remain voluntary and, though shareholders have gained more power, they rarely intervene over executive bonuses.

In 2003, however, Ad Scheepbouwer, the chief executive of the Dutch telecommunications company KPN, gave away his €1 million bonus for the year after a bitter public fight with trade unions over his remuneration.

"The way it played out, the details of my pay emerged to coincide with a large reorganization of the company in which many people lost their jobs," Scheepbouwer said in his office at the company headquarters in The Hague. "The press had a field day. I was portrayed as the ultimate egomaniac manager or fat cat."

With public pressure raining down he decided it would best to forgo the bonus.

"You don't want to take the company through an awful lot of hassle because of a million euros," he said. "You don't have a holiday less because you don't get a bonus. What is more galling is that you are semi-blackmailed into it."

Unions today are supporting the bill, but they say Bos has not gone far enough.

"It's a first step," said Peter Gortzak, vice president and general secretary of the FNV union. "When you look at Numico and ABN, people are providing themselves with millions and millions in one year.

"I cannot image that the value that one person adds towards the results of a company explains such payments."

Such criticism resonates in the Netherlands despite its trading history, he said, because of uncertainties among workers in a globalized world.

"These huge payments are happening at the same time as a lot of people are becoming unemployed because jobs are going to China and India," he said.

Scheepbouwer argues that the Dutch government now, with its proposed limits, is encouraging a climate that penalizes entrepreneurs.

"For really talented and really exceptional performers this is not a very attractive place," he said. "It is not accepted that people are outside the normal. The only people that are accepted outside the normal are musicians or football players."

He said he had advised his own children to seek job opportunities outside the Netherlands. "If there is an opportunity in a more interesting place, they should do that," he said.

Bennink, meanwhile, is considering his options. His spokesman, Michiel Quarles van Ufford, said Bennink had so far "not taken a decision whether or not to work for a Dutch company."

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Op vrijdag 16 mei 2008 20:00 schreef Richie_Rich het volgende:

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In de VS staat helemaal niets onder druk man

Bij salaris tijd komen er altijd een paar huilies hun zegje doen en de volgende dag is het weer over tot de orde van de dag.