[Centraal] Creationisme deel 2

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Op dinsdag 13 mei 2008 09:50 schreef kazakx het volgende:
Zonder feiten blijft het natuurlijk conspiracies...

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Op maandag 1 september 2008 12:32 schreef bigore het volgende:
Hier nog een leuk filmpje wat ik op youtube ben tegengekomen. Het is een gesprek tussen een Moleculair Genetisist en Kent Hovind. Een mooi gesprek aangezien je goed kan horen hoe Kent Hovind eromheen draait en eigenlijk gewoon niet de juiste kennis heeft om hier tegenin te gaan, mocht je iemand kennen die in de genetica wereld werkt en nog steeds creationist is hoor ik dat graag.

Kent Hovind vs Molecular Geneticist

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Op maandag 1 september 2008 14:05 schreef bigore het volgende:
Deze man heeft werkelijk geen idee.

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Op maandag 1 september 2008 14:24 schreef barthol het volgende:
Misschien iets om nog op te merken. Het gaat niet alleen over evolutie. Vooral als je beluistert wat YEC zeggen over geologie en hoe zij alles in hun simplistische vloedtheorie proberen in te passen, kan het
allemaal moeilijk serieus genomen worden. Maar de beinvloeding van mensen is wel iets om serieus
te nemen. Gevolgen voor de kwaliteit van het onderwijs ook.

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Anglicans back Darwin over 'noisy' creationists

The Church of England expressed deep concerns last night about the spread of creationist views as it prepared to unveil a website promoting the evolutionary views of Charles Darwin.

Anglican leaders fear that “noisy” advocates of a literal interpretation of the Bible - especially in the United States, where even the Republican vice-presidential candidate, Sarah Palin, is a vocal supporter - are infecting the perception of Christianity worldwide.

The Church will launch the website on Monday, a few weeks after the 150th anniversary of Darwin's first public proposal of natural selection and amid growing controversy over the teaching of creationism in schools.

The Rev Professor Michael Reiss, a biologist and director of education at the Royal Society, provoked a furore this week when he called for creationism to be treated in science lessons as a legitimate “world-view”.

The Church of England weighed into the debate yesterday when a Church House spokesman admitted that the treatment of Darwin's theory of evolution by Victorian clerics was wrong.

He said that science and religions were “perfectly compatible” and attacked creationism as a strand of Christianity that created a false impression of the Church as a whole.

The Rev Dr Malcolm Brown, one of the inspirations for the website, said: “We felt there would be public interest, particularly because of the rise of creationism in the US.

“Christian attitudes don't have to be either a complete swallowing of Darwin and everything that has been done in his name, on the one hand, and, on the other, the complete rejection of scientific method with a literal interpretation of the Bible.

“A culture that doesn't have a great deal of historic understanding of the Christian faith can easily characterise all Christians as being like the most noisy ones.”

A church spokesman added: “Creationism should not be taught as a scientifically based theory but could be included in discussion of the development of scientific ideas down the ages or in RE.”

Rasmandala Das, of the Oxford Centre for Hindu Studies, said that the Hindu approach was to teach all different views of the creation across the curriculum.

Members of the humanist movement dismissed creationism as “simply wrong” but agreed that religious believers must be engaged by science teachers rather than ignored.

Andrew Copson, director of education for the British Humanist Association, said that Professor Reiss was right to think it was better to take the opportunity to debate the issue than to belittle children by telling them: “Shut up, that's for RE. Should a teacher say, ‘Shut up, that's for RE'? Obviously not,” he said. “If a child raises it in a classroom you don't say, ‘Shut up'. You say, ‘That's not a scientific perspective.' It can be an opportunity to demonstrate what a scientific perspective is.”

Tahir Alam, of the Muslim Council of Britain, expressed concern that there was a rising trend of intolerance towards religious beliefs and said: “Secular atheism is getting very dogmatic.” Mr Alam said of creationism in science lessons: “In any educational context, if children raise questions and have beliefs which are different to the teachers, people should not be dogmatic about not discussing it.”

However, Rabbi Dr Tony Bayfield, head of the Movement for Reform Judaism, expressed doubts: “It would be as unacceptable for Judaism for schools to teach creationism in science lessons as it would be for them to teach the Dawkins secular fundamentalist view that Darwin and God are incompatible.”

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Op zondag 12 oktober 2008 14:12 schreef Klit het volgende:
Atheisten bestaan alleen bij de gratie van Onze Vader, zonder Hem waren er ook geen atheisten geweest.
Ergo, Atheisten hebben God nodig om te bestaan.

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Op dinsdag 25 november 2008 17:59 schreef Iblis het volgende:
Harun Yahya organiseert een prijsvraag:
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Je moet een essay schrijven, minstens 30 pagina's, maximaal 60, en dat voor 18 oktober volgend jaar.

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100,000 YTL is bijna 50 duizend euro!

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Harun Yahya was also offering a £4.4 billion prize to anyone who could come up with an “intermediate fossil”. Professor Dawkins calculated that this sum was about 36 times the GNP of Turkey, since there was a sense in which all fossils were “intermediate”, it was a little hard to understand what Yahyah was looking for.

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Op donderdag 11 december 2008 17:25 schreef Doffy het volgende:
Blijkbaar kan dit topic op slot, nu zelfs Dekker en Meester erkennen dat creationisme cq. intelligent design een doodlopende weg is. In de woorden van Meester:
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Het thema van de week is, volgens deze heren, nu 'theïstische evolutie'. Misschien dat we het daar dan maar eens over moeten hebben in dit topic.

Voor de adepten: kan iemand mij uitleggen wat deze stelling concreet inhoudt? God schiep de aarde in één dag en deed er daarna 6 miljard jaar over om de kroon op de schepping te (laten) evolueren?

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Op donderdag 11 december 2008 18:07 schreef Triggershot het volgende:
Dat vele moslimlanden protesteren tegen de evolutietheorie blijkt relatief modern te zijn. Een variant van de evolutietheorie werd was geïntegreerd in je studiemateriaal en waren verschillende theorieën en benaderingen op : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Islamic_philosophy#Evolution

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Romania removes theory of evolution from school curriculum

Romania's withdrawal of the theory of evolution from the school curriculum could be evidence of a growing conservative tendency in teaching. Evolution has been removed from the school curriculum in a move which, pressure groups argue, distorts children's understanding of how the world came into being.

Meanwhile, religious studies classes continue to tell Romanian children that God made the world in seven days.

The theory of the Origin of Species and the evolution of humans is no longer present in the compulsory curriculum, through a nationwide decision made under the previous Government in 2006. Before the change, Darwin's theory was taught to pupils aged 18 or 19 years old. This was also in the curriculum during the Communist period of dictator Nicolae Ceausescu.

Information on natural selection, how fish turned into lizards and, more or less, a summary of the first 4.5 billion years of the world until man walked the earth is now optional.

"We don't teach the theory of evolution anymore," said one 38 year-old Bucharest-based biology teacher.

But the Minister of Education, Cristian Adomnitei, argues that biology is taught within the context of evolution. "This subject can be found implicitly from middle school to high-school," the Minister tells The Diplomat. "Do you think that the studies about the world where we live, its evolution or genetics can ignore the evolution theory? This is impossible."

But Remus Cernea, president of Solidarity for Freedom of Conscience, is unimpressed by the Ministry's position on implicit learning.

"How can the evolution theory be implicit?" Cernea says. "The evolution theory is either present in the curriculum and in the text books and is studied by everybody, or not present in the curriculum and nobody studies it."

Meanwhile, in religious classes, pupils are taught that the world was created in seven days and God made plants on the third day and the sun on the fourth. Textbooks claim the first man was Adam, who was 'made of ground', and that Eve, the first woman, was made from one of her husband's ribs.

"The Romanian state, whether it intends or not, offers pupils a unique perspective on the world, the religious one, without any critical scientific or philosophical offset," argues Cernea.

Biology has been cut from two hours to one of teaching per week for the final two years in many high schools. In place of evolution, kids are taught more about human ecology and the environment, subjects which one biology teacher says children find boring.

"Kids find out what really happened from the Discovery channel," she adds. "They don't really believe the world was made in six days. Well, I hope they don't."

No one is accusing the Orthodox Church of any kind of conspiracy to replace evolution with creationism by the back door. "The only motivation I can see is the lack of vision on pupils’ education in Romania," says Cernea.

In 2006, the Ministry of Education and Research also removed Voltaire, Camus and Nietzsche from the philosophy curriculum. These three writers are noted for their critical views on religion and Nietzsche's pronouncement that 'God is dead'.

Some teachers fear a creeping conservative tendency in Romania's schools.

At present, children are taught religious classes from ages seven to 18. This is mostly an Orthodox curriculum. They are also taught that to sleep in on Sunday mornings is bad because children should be going to church.

"It's not being taught about religion and what it means," said one headmistress. If a parent wants their child not to attend the classes, because they are, for example, Jewish, Muslim or agnostic, he or she has to draft a letter to the school. The child then sits in a library or the head teacher's office working on, say, maths or languages.

But there are new proposals to make all religious classes compulsory for the education system, regardless of the parents' wishes. All children who do not want to attend Religion classes would attend a Moral and Religious Education class. But there is no one qualified to teach Moral and Religious Education. Some teachers fear that the classes will, with minor additions, be the same Orthodox curriculum dictated by a religious studies teacher to a single Jew, Muslim or Humanist in a library or staff room.

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Op vrijdag 12 december 2008 15:30 schreef koningdavid het volgende:

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Nee. We hebben het hier namelijk niet over 'eigenschappen van God' maar 'eigenschappen van de schepping'. Ik snap niet waarom jij dat onderscheid niet maakt.

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Op vrijdag 12 december 2008 15:45 schreef koningdavid het volgende:

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Dit ben ik met je eens. Als het universum eeuwig zou blijken te zijn zou dit in direct conflict zijn met het idee van een 'schepper' (of je moet een vreemd soort pantheïsme aanhangen).
Maar er is totaal geen reden om aan te nemen dat het universum eeuwig is dus dat is volgens mij hier niet 'in frage'.