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  zaterdag 15 maart 2008 @ 21:15:52 #151
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Avoid Overcorrecting Economy, Bush Warns

WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Bush on Saturday said the government must guard against going too far in trying to fix the troubled economy, cautioning that "one of the worst things you can do is overcorrect." Democrats said Bush was relying on inaction to solve the problem.
Bush, in his weekly radio address, said the recently passed program of tax rebates for families and businesses should begin to lift the economy in the second quarter of the year and have an even stronger impact in the third quarter. But he urged caution about doing more, particularly about the crisis in the housing market where prices are tumbling and home foreclosures have soared to an all-time high.

"If we were to pursue some of the sweeping government solutions that we hear about in Washington, we would make a complicated problem even worse -- and end up hurting far more homeowners than we help," the president said.

The economy has surpassed the Iraq war as the No. 1 concern among voters in this presidential election year amid big job losses, soaring fuel costs, a credit crisis and turmoil on Wall Street.

"In the long run, we can be confident that our economy will continue to grow, but in the short run, it is clear that growth has slowed," Bush said. He was spending the weekend at the Camp David presidential retreat in Maryland's Catoctin Mountains after delivering a speech in New York about the economy and helping raise $1.4 million for the national Republican Party.

Democrats said they would try to strengthen the economy with measures dealing with housing, energy efficiency and renewable energy.

"The president continues to convince himself that inaction is the cure-all for the economic problems hurting hardworking Americans," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said in a written statement. "But Democrats know that wait-and-see is not a responsible strategy for an economy that is teetering on the brink of recession."

"Wages and home values are down," Reid said, "but prices for everything from health care to tuition to energy are up. Just this week, oil and gas prices reached record highs while the value of the dollar reached historic lows. I hope the president, who has been slow to acknowledge this problem, joins us in recognizing how urgently we need a solution."

Bush said he opposed several measures pending on Capitol Hill to deal with the housing crisis. They included proposals to allocate $400 billion to purchase foreclosed-upon and now-abandoned homes, to change the bankruptcy code to allow judges to adjust mortgage rates and to artificially prop up home prices.

"Many young couples trying to buy their first home have been priced out of the market because of inflated prices," the president said. "The market now is in the process of correcting itself, and delaying that correction would only prolong the problem."


Bush said his administration has offered steps offering flexibility for refinancing to homeowners with good credit histories yet are having trouble paying their mortgage. He cited other measures which he said would streamline the process for refinancing and modify many mortgages.

He said there were steps Congress could take, as well.

"As we take decisive action, we will keep this in mind: When you are steering a car in a rough patch, one of the worst things you can do is overcorrect," the president said.

"That often results in losing control and can end up with the car in a ditch," Bush said. "Steering through a rough patch requires a steady hand on the wheel and your eyes up on the horizon. And that's exactly what we're going to do."
Mag ik het één keer eens zijn met Bush?
Ik hou echt mijn hart vast als Clinton of Obama straks aan de macht komt. Die zijn ook nog eens tegenstander van free trade en willen btw ook nog eens de dividendbelasting en capital gain tax verhogen. Aandelen zijn dan in één klap veel minder waard.

Levensgevaarlijk, een crisis als deze in een verkiezingsjaar
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Op zaterdag 15 maart 2008 11:48 schreef freud het volgende:

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Wat me best opvalt, is dat de gemiddelde nederlander echt geen idee heeft van wat er speelt. Soort van een tsunami die er aan komt en men ligt lekker te zonnen met de voetjes naar de zee, en vertellend hoe rustig het is. Werk zelf bij een importeur van twee automerken, en daar beseft men echt niet dat er zwaar weer aankomt door die geintjes in de VS. Gelukkig ben ik er over 2 maandjes weg .
Minister Bos heeft zich met wel belangrijker zaken bezig te houden, bijvoorbeeld of de PvdA er nog wel goed op staat. En wat te denken van ons pensioenstelsel. Je moet gewoon dat doen waar je goed in bent.
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Op zaterdag 15 maart 2008 20:43 schreef SeLang het volgende:
Dus een doemdenker ben ik zeker niet. Alle problemen zullen uiteindelijk worden opgelost. Maar ik denk wel dat we een dip te wachten staan die wat groter is dan we de laatste jaren gewend waren.
Ik kan het me ook niet anders voorstellen dan dat er nog forse klappen gaan vallen. Om te beginnen zijn er de huizen in de VS. Een huis van $200.000 is nu $180.000 waard. Maar binnen nu en 3 tot 4 jaar is dat huis ergens tussen de 90.000 en 120.000 waard. Daar kun je vergif op innemen, want de gestegen huizenprijzen in de VS zijn (bijna) puur speculatief.
Het vet lijkt er nu na 10% daling van de prijzen bij de meeste financiële instellingen wel ongeveer af te zijn. Oke, daarin is ook meegenomen dat de prijzen nog wat verder zullen dalen en mensen niet goed terug kunnen betalen, maar nog lang niet alle pijn is geleden, lang niet.
En China? Ik ben blij dat ik geen Chinees ben. Ik vraag me af hoe lang die zonder crisis door kunnen gaan. En of een economische crisis daar wellicht ook een politieke kan worden.
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Jim Rogers .
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Quantum's Jim Rogers says US 'out of control'

Leo Lewis, Asia Business Correspondent

Jim Rogers - who co-founded the now closed Quantum Fund with George Soros - told 750 global fund managers in Tokyo today that, America is “completely out of control”, there will be a 20-year bull market in commodities and that prices will be in turmoil.

And he also warned that it “made sense” if global competition for resources ended in armed conflict.


Mr Rogers told delegates to the CLSA investment forum that the prices of all agricultural products would “explode” in coming years and that the price of gold, which hit an all-time high of $964 an ounce yesterday, will continue its surge to as much as $3,500 an ounce.

Gold would continue to rise, the analyst Christopher Wood told fund managers, “because it is the exact opposite of a structured finance product”.

In a blistering attack on US monetary policy and the “helicopter cash drop” responses of the Federal Reserve, Mr Rogers described the American dollar as a “terribly flawed currency”.

He said that the plan by Ben Bernanke, the Fed Chairman, to “crank up the money-printing machines and run them until we run out of trees” had exposed America’s weakest point to her rivals and enemies.

The dollar may have declined recently, he added, “but you ain’t seen nothing yet”.

Talking to a room almost exclusively populated with Japan-focused equity investors, Mr Rogers recommended an immediate language course in Mandarin and a switch into commodities — the second-biggest market in the world behind foreign exchange.

Mr Rogers said that historic drains on wheat, corn and other soft commodity inventories have created market dynamics that could lead to severe food shortages.

The outlook over the next two decades would see prices of everything from cotton and sugar to lead and nickel “going through the roof”.

Heavily playing down the prospects of a big recovery in Japan, Mr Rogers said that the country’s demographics — as the fastest-ageing country in the world — would cause it greater problems and an ever-diminishing quality of life for ordinary Japanese.

But he also said that other countries — including Britain, Italy, China and the US — should take note of what their own demographics would look like without the effect of immigration.

Japan will be the perfect laboratory for the world to watch how a demographic crisis plays out,” he said.
Bron: Times Online

Wat een heerlijke man blijft dat toch .

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  zondag 16 maart 2008 @ 06:01:04 #155
89730 Drugshond
De Euro. Mislukt vanaf dag 1.
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A Wall Street Domino Theory

Bron : NY-times

The Federal Reserve’s unusual decision to provide emergency assistance to Bear Stearns underscores a long-building concern that one failure could spread across the financial system.

Timothy F. Geithner, president of the New York Fed.


Wall Street firms like Bear Stearns conduct business with many individuals, corporations, financial companies, pension funds and hedge funds. They also do billions of dollars of business with each other every day, borrowing and lending securities at a dizzying pace and fueling the wheels of capitalism.

The sudden collapse of a major player could not only shake client confidence in the entire system, but also make it difficult for sound institutions to conduct business as usual. Hedge funds that rely on Bear to finance their trading and hold their securities would be stranded; investors who wrote financial contracts with Bear would be at risk; markets that depended on Bear to buy and sell securities would screech to a halt, if they were not already halted.

“In a trading firm, trust is everything,” said Richard Sylla, a financial historian at New York University. “The person at the other end of the phone or the trading screen has to believe that you will make good on any deal that you make.”

Commercial banks, mutual fund companies and other big financial firms with deep pockets would presumably weather such turmoil. Firms that traded extensively with Bear Stearns could be at great risk if the bank failed.

For individual customers, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation insures deposits up to $100,000. Furthermore, when a Wall Street firm fails, the Securities Investor Protection Corporation steps in to take over customer accounts.

The Fed’s action was intended simply to keep the financial markets functioning. Since various trading markets seized up in August, credit conditions have steadily worsened, and interest rate cuts, the main tool central bankers use to bolster the economy, have become less effective.

Policy makers anticipated some of the problems now affecting the financial world. In 2006 and 2007, Timothy F. Geithner, president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, asked major Wall Street institutions to gauge the impact on their portfolios if a large bank failed.

The volume of financial contracts that are not traded on any major exchanges has ballooned in recent years after the bailout of a big hedge fund, Long-Term Capital Management, in 1998. Now, much of the trading in derivative contracts tied to stocks and bonds takes place in unregulated transactions between financial institutions.Policy makers have been wrestling with questions about when and how they should provide assistance since the last major bailout of a tottering bank, Continental Illinois, in 1984. At the time, Continental was considered too big to fail without sending waves of losses through the financial system.

Regulators are facing an unprecedented and widespread deterioration in many markets. Last summer, the value of risky and exotic securities plummeted in value. Now, even top-rated securities once deemed as safe as Treasuries have hit the skids. Financial firms have written down more than $150 billion of their assets. Some analysts are predicting that losses in various credit markets will reach $600 billion.

Bear Stearns was one of the first firms to experience a direct blow from the subprime mortgage crisis when two of its hedge funds collapsed because of the declining value of mortgage-backed securities.

It is also among the biggest firms in the prime brokerage business, or the financing of hedge funds. In recent weeks, nervous fund managers have scrambled to protect themselves. Robert Sloan, who is the managing partner at S3 Partners, a financing specialist that works with hedge funds, has shifted $25 billion out of Bear Stearns accounts in the last two months, he said.

“The problem is the financing of the hedge fund industry is very concentrated and very brittle,” Mr. Sloan said. “If they go under, you will have thousands of funds frozen out,” he said, adding that everyone might then have to wait for a court to name a receiver before business could resume.

Hedge funds rely on Wall Street for a range of services from the humdrum, like holding their securities, to the critical, like providing loans they use to increase their bets. As Wall Street has buckled under multibillion-dollar write-downs, the firms have cut financing to hedge funds and asked the funds to put up more assets to back their borrowing, forcing managers to sell en masse.

This has caused a series of hedge fund blowups, including Carlyle Capital, an affiliate of the powerful private equity firm Carlyle Group; Peloton Partners, a hedge fund founded by former Goldman Sachs traders; and Drake Capital, a blue-chip fund that has been struggling.

A manager at one hedge fund that uses Bear Stearns as its prime broker said his firm had been nervously watching the situation. The manager, speaking on the condition that he or his fund not be identified, said the fund had lined up backup firms that could clear its trades and keep its portfolio, though as of Friday afternoon it had not left Bear Stearns.

Customer accounts at financial institutions are kept separate from banks’ and dealers’ own holdings to protect those funds if the broker has to seek bankruptcy protection.

But the bigger worry for hedge funds and others that do business with Bear Stearns is whether the firm will be able to honor its trades. Of particular concern are the insurance contracts known as credit default swaps in which one party agrees to guarantee interest and principal payments in case an issuer defaults on its bonds. Investors in such contracts with Bear Stearns are closely studying whether they can get out of them or have them transferred to a more stable firm.

Compounding the problem, some big investment banks this week stopped accepting trades that would expose them to Bear Stearns. Money market funds also reduced their holdings of short-term debt issued by Bear, according to industry officials.

“You get to where people can’t trade with each other,” said James L. Melcher, president of Balestra Capital, a hedge fund based in New York. “If the Fed hadn’t acted this morning and Bear did default on its obligations, then that could have triggered a very widespread panic and potentially a collapse of the financial system.”

Already, investors are considering whether another firm might face financial problems. The price for insuring Lehman Brothers’ debt jumped to $478 per $10,000 in bonds on Friday afternoon, from $385 in the morning, according to Thomson Financial. The cost for Bear debt was up to $830, from $530.
  zondag 16 maart 2008 @ 06:13:23 #156
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Fetchez la vache!
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Ja da's Engels, daar begrijp ik niks van.
Patience is not one of my virtues, neither is memory. Or patience for that matter.
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Op zondag 16 maart 2008 06:13 schreef popolon het volgende:
Ja da's Engels, daar begrijp ik niks van.
Integreren zul je, of moet je daarvoor Spaans leren?
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Morgen begint een korte week (ivm Pasen) en komen een aantal belangrijke banken met hun cijfers als ik het fout mis heb verstaan.

Dat kan dus nog wel eens een knaller van een korte week worden.
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Leuk, al die 'achtergrond'-artikelen die eigenlijk wereldnieuws moeten zijn. Wanneer komt het moment dat een grote omvallende bank wereldnieuws is? Lijkt me wel nodig, want de bewustwording is er niet echt. Zelfs Indonesische banken zijn meer te vertrouwen dan die in de VS zo onderhand
  zondag 16 maart 2008 @ 09:09:28 #160
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Ik heb de OP maar weer aangepast.... de belangrijkste banken toegevoegd die (direct) iets te maken met de credit-crunch. Ik zal ongetwijfeld nog wel wat vergeten zijn. If so... stuur ff een PM naar mij Gronk, ItalioDancer.
  zondag 16 maart 2008 @ 10:10:55 #161
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Bron : bloomberg
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Firm                    Writedown     Credit Loss(a)   Total

Merrill Lynch             24.5                          24.5

Citigroup                 19.9            2.5           22.4

UBS                       18.1                          18.1

HSBC                       3.0            9.4           12.4

Morgan Stanley             9.4                           9.4

IKB Deutsche               8.9                           8.9

Bank of America            7              0.9            7.9

Credit Agricole            6.5                           6.5

Washington Mutual          0.3            5.5            5.8

Credit Suisse              4.9                           4.9

Wachovia                   2.7            2              4.7

Canadian Imperial (CIBC)   4.2                           4.2

Societe Generale           3.8                           3.8

JPMorgan Chase             1.6            2.1            3.7

Mizuho Financial Group     3.4                           3.4

Barclays                   3.3                           3.3

Royal Bank of Scotland     3.2                           3.2

Bayerische Landesbank      3                             3

SachsenLB                  2.8                           2.8

Dresdner                   2.7                           2.7

Bear Stearns               2.6                           2.6

Deutsche Bank              2.4                           2.4

ABN Amro                   2.4                           2.4

Fortis                     2.3                           2.3

Natixis                    1.9                           1.9

HSH Nordbank               1.7                           1.7

Wells Fargo                0.3            1.4            1.7

Lehman Brothers            1.5                           1.5

DZ Bank                    1.5                           1.5

National City              0.4            1              1.4

BNP Paribas                1              0.3            1.3

Caisse d'Epargne           1.2                           1.2

Nomura Holdings            1                             1

Gulf International         1                             1

European banks not         7.7                           7.7
  listed above (b)

Asian banks excluding      4.1            0.7            4.8
  Mizuho, Nomura (c)

Canadian banks             2.5            0.1            2.6
  excluding CIBC (d)
                          ____          _____          _____

TOTALS*                  168.8           25.8          194.6


* Totals reflect figures before rounding. Some company names have
been abbreviated for space.

(a) The difference between writedown and credit loss: Investment banks and the investment-banking units of financial conglomerates mark their assets to market values, whether they're loans, securities or collateralized debt obligations, and label that a ``writedown'' when values decline. Commercial banks take charge-offs on loans that have defaulted and increase reserves for loans they expect to go bad, which they label ``credit losses.'' Commercial banks can have writedowns on holdings of bonds or CDOs as well.

(b) European banks whose losses are smaller than $1 billion each are in this group: ING Groep, Allied Irish Banks, Bradford & Bingley, Aareal Bank, Deutsche Postbank, Lloyds TSB Group, Standard Chartered, Northern Rock, HBOS, Dexia, WestLB, Commerzbank, NordLB, Rabobank, HVB Group, Landesbank Baden- Wuerttemberg.

(c) Asian banks with writedowns smaller than $1 billion: Bank of China, Mitsubishi UFJ, Sumitomo Mitsui, Shinsei, Sumitomo Trust, Aozora Bank, DBS Group, Australia & New Zealand Banking Group, Abu Dhabi Commercial, Bank Hapoalim, Arab Banking Corp., Fubon Financial.

(d) Canadian banks included in this group: Bank of Montreal, National Bank of Canada, Bank of Nova Scotia, Royal Bank of Canada.

[ Bericht 3% gewijzigd door Drugshond op 16-03-2008 12:42:14 ]
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Waarom boekt de ene firma het af als credit loss en de andere als write down?
  zondag 16 maart 2008 @ 10:23:07 #163
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Op zondag 16 maart 2008 10:20 schreef Basp1 het volgende:
Waarom boekt de ene firma het af als credit loss en de andere als write down?
(a) The difference between writedown and credit loss: Investment banks and the investment-banking units of financial conglomerates mark their assets to market values, whether they're loans, securities or collateralized debt obligations, and label that a ``writedown'' when values decline. Commercial banks take charge-offs on loans that have defaulted and increase reserves for loans they expect to go bad, which they label ``credit losses.'' Commercial banks can have writedowns on holdings of bonds or CDOs as well.
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  zondag 16 maart 2008 @ 10:32:48 #164
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De Euro. Mislukt vanaf dag 1.
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Op zondag 16 maart 2008 10:10 schreef SeLang het volgende:
Tussenstand verliezen op subprime per 14 maart 2008 (in miljarden US$)
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Oe... heb je hier een linkje van.
  zondag 16 maart 2008 @ 10:35:37 #165
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Op zondag 16 maart 2008 08:27 schreef indahnesia.com het volgende:
Leuk, al die 'achtergrond'-artikelen die eigenlijk wereldnieuws moeten zijn. Wanneer komt het moment dat een grote omvallende bank wereldnieuws is? Lijkt me wel nodig, want de bewustwording is er niet echt. Zelfs Indonesische banken zijn meer te vertrouwen dan die in de VS zo onderhand

U vraag, er wordt gedraaid: op CNBC
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... potential bidders for Bear have been narrowed to ... J.C. Flowers and JPMorgan Chase

... bankers have now come to the conclusion that a deal must be done by Monday ...

If there's no deal Bear Stearns will have to file for bankruptcy, executives said.
I'm trying to make the 'net' a kinder, gentler place. One where you could bring the fuckin' children.
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Als ik het goed samenvat: investment bankers schrijven nooit credit loss af omdat ze eigenlijk niets anders doen dat spullen aan elkaar verkopen en geen echte kredieten bezitten.

Zit er nog een bepaald verband in de verhouding tussen kredietverliezen en afschrijvingen die we de afgelopen tijd gezien hebben. Als we nu naar de bovenstaande cijfers kijken zien we dat er een verhouding van ruim 1 op 6 in zit. Kan er gesteld worden dat voor elke volgende kredietverlies die er afgeschreven gaat worden het 6 voudige aan afschrijvingen gaat plaatsvinden?
  zondag 16 maart 2008 @ 10:41:09 #167
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Ik geloof er niks van dat ze Bear Stearns laten omvallen.
JPMorgan zal het wel overnemen met bepaalde garanties van de FED
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  zondag 16 maart 2008 @ 10:42:52 #168
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Op zondag 16 maart 2008 10:32 schreef Drugshond het volgende:

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Oe... heb je hier een linkje van.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601208&sid=axW.W8dqt1xA&refer=finance
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  zondag 16 maart 2008 @ 10:46:53 #169
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Aan dat lijstje vallen een paar dingen op:

1) NL banks hebben het bijzonder braaf gedaan...
2) Lehman Brothers staat pas op plek 28, terwijl zij wel genoemd worden als 'de volgende'
3) De Aziatische (lees: Japanse) banken schtteren bijna door afwezigheid
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  zondag 16 maart 2008 @ 10:48:36 #170
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  zondag 16 maart 2008 @ 10:53:15 #171
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Handig... Complete lifesavings tied up in BSC stock....
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Op zondag 16 maart 2008 10:35 schreef gronk het volgende:

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U vraag, er wordt gedraaid: op CNBC
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maandag dus.. da's twee dagen langer dan als er gewoon gewerkt zou worden op zaterdag en zondag
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Op zondag 16 maart 2008 10:48 schreef SeLang het volgende:
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Heerlijk oud artikel uit januari 2008:
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Is George Soros right that economy is doomed?

Richard Woods

When George Soros says that the world is facing its worst financial crisis since the second world war, businessmen, politicians and the public pay attention. This, after all, is the man who famously made $1 billion betting against the pound in 1992.

The 77-year-old investor issued his dire warning at the World Economic Forum in Davos last week amid increasing volatility in the world financial markets, but before the huge losses at Société Générale had become public.

“The current crisis is not only the bust that follows the housing boom,” he said. “It’s basically the end of a 60-year period of continuing credit expansion.”

Now the party is grinding to a halt and the hangover will be a humdinger. “Credit expansion must now be followed by a period of contraction,” he claimed. “A recession in the developed world is now more or less inevitable.” The effect was likely to be contagious and infect the whole globe. It was, he concluded, the “end of an era”.

So is the world poised on the edge of an abyss? Or is Soros too gloomy by half?

Not everyone believes that pain for the financial suits inevitably spells trouble for the wider world.

“Purely from the point of view of the financial markets, there is probably more turbulence on a wider scale than ever before,” said Professor Willem Buiter of the London School of Economics and a former member of the Bank of England’s monetary policy committee.

“But you should not listen only to the anguish and pain of Wall Street. They are getting hammered. They are one of two sectors in the US that have expanded beyond sustainable levels: the financial sector and the housing sector. Both have to contract.

“But it is not yet Main Street. I don’t expect anything catastrophic.” There is still a chance, he believes, that the US will escape recession.

Others point out that western economies have weathered previous financial crises with remarkable resilience. “In 1987 on Black Monday stock markets fell about 20%,” said Gabriel Stein, a director of Lombard Street Research, a leading economic consultancy. “So [the present turmoil] is certainly not the biggest stock market fall. Looking back, we now know that 1987 was the buying opportunity of a lifetime.”

Though Stein agrees there are serious problems, especially in banking systems and credit markets, he remains sanguine about the ability of free economies to adjust and recover. They did so after the American savings and loan crisis of the 1980s, the Asian financial crisis of 1997-99 and the bursting of the dotcom bubble in 2000.

“George Soros is very much given to exaggeration. There will be problems. [But] the world economy will survive,” Stein said.

Other experts may not entirely buy the Soros vision, but they do increasingly believe that the US and UK economies are heading into storms.

“There’s a very high risk of recession in the UK and in the US, and the eurozone will see a sharp slowdown later this year,” warned David Owen, chief European economist at Dresdner Kleinwort bank. The big danger in the UK is the housing market. Experience shows that downturns in housing markets tend to last for years, he said, and the latest figures show mortgage approvals in Britain are down 40% on a year ago.

The stock markets are already in a volatile state. One day share prices plummet on fears of further financial woes and wider recession. The next they soar on the back of lower interest rates and hopes of escape. The reality is nobody is sure how bad things are.

“A lot depends on how serious the problems in the financial sector are,” said Roger Bootle, economic adviser to Deloitte. “Heaven knows what else is going to crawl out of the woodwork.

“It’s not just going to be confined to sub-prime mortgages. It’s going to be prime mortgages, nonmortgages, consumer debt, commercial property lending, corporate debt . . . people are going to be surprised.

“But that’s what happens when you get the unwinding of a massive asset boom simultaneously with a slowing economy.”

This unwinding of the financial boom will hit ordinary consumers, he says. The economy will slow and unemployment will rise. “But it will be modest - a couple of hundred thousand maybe - compared with what we have seen in the past.”

While individuals will feel the squeeze, greater shifts will take place on a global level. Through the turmoil, relative wealth and power are moving from West to East. “The crisis accelerates the shift in economic weight and power to the Gulf and to the East,” said Buiter. “The new moneybags, the sovereign wealth funds and others in the Far East and the Gulf are going to buy up large chunks of prime assets in the West.

“It will undoubtedly be accompanied by a shift in political and diplomatic power. The US will never again be what it was in 2000, or what it felt it was.”

So in that sense, maybe it is the end of an era.
Bron: Times Online
pi_57410956
Zal er een South Park aflevering over komen?
  zondag 16 maart 2008 @ 12:39:19 #176
89730 Drugshond
De Euro. Mislukt vanaf dag 1.
  zondag 16 maart 2008 @ 14:06:14 #177
61421 icecreamfarmer_NL
VOC mentaliteit
pi_57412133
quote:
Op zaterdag 15 maart 2008 23:08 schreef en_door_slecht het volgende:

[..]

Ik kan het me ook niet anders voorstellen dan dat er nog forse klappen gaan vallen. Om te beginnen zijn er de huizen in de VS. Een huis van $200.000 is nu $180.000 waard. Maar binnen nu en 3 tot 4 jaar is dat huis ergens tussen de 90.000 en 120.000 waard. Daar kun je vergif op innemen, want de gestegen huizenprijzen in de VS zijn (bijna) puur speculatief.
Het vet lijkt er nu na 10% daling van de prijzen bij de meeste financiële instellingen wel ongeveer af te zijn. Oke, daarin is ook meegenomen dat de prijzen nog wat verder zullen dalen en mensen niet goed terug kunnen betalen, maar nog lang niet alle pijn is geleden, lang niet.
En China? Ik ben blij dat ik geen Chinees ben. Ik vraag me af hoe lang die zonder crisis door kunnen gaan. En of een economische crisis daar wellicht ook een politieke kan worden.
ik zeg het je binnen nu en 15 jaar is er een burgeroorlog in china die scheve verhoudingen kunnen niet doorgaan
1/10 Van de rappers dankt zijn bestaan in Amerika aan de Nederlanders die zijn voorouders met een cruiseschip uit hun hongerige landen ophaalde om te werken op prachtige plantages.
"Oorlog is de overtreffende trap van concurrentie."
  zondag 16 maart 2008 @ 14:13:50 #178
61421 icecreamfarmer_NL
VOC mentaliteit
pi_57412219


1/10 Van de rappers dankt zijn bestaan in Amerika aan de Nederlanders die zijn voorouders met een cruiseschip uit hun hongerige landen ophaalde om te werken op prachtige plantages.
"Oorlog is de overtreffende trap van concurrentie."
  zondag 16 maart 2008 @ 14:40:20 #179
38496 Perrin
Toekomst. Made in Europe.
pi_57412590
Calls for 1-point rate reduction grow louder
quote:
SAN FRANCISCO (Menafn - MarketWatch) -- Expectations that Federal Reserve next week will cut rates by a full percentage point, to 2%, gained traction among economists and traders Friday after a bailout of Bear Stearns Cos. revealed more fault lines in the U.S. financial system.

Citigroup economists said they anticipate Fed policy-makers will lower the federal funds rate by a point to 2% next week from the current 3%, "and more cannot be ruled out."

"Aggressive action is needed to stabilize the financial setting," according to economists in a research report led by Citi's Robert DiClemente. The decision by the New York Fed and JPMorgan Chase & Co. JPM to provide financing to Bear Stearns BSC "underscores the current fragility of the system."

Debt Reckoning: U.S. Receives a Margin Call
quote:
The U.S. is at the receiving end of a massive margin call: Across the economy, wary lenders are demanding that borrowers put up more collateral or sell assets to reduce debts.

Global investors are pulling money from the U.S., steepening the decline of the U.S. dollar and sending it below 100 yen for the first time in a dozen years. Against a trade-weighted basket of major currencies, the dollar has fallen 14.3% over the past year, according to the Federal Reserve. Yesterday it hit another record low against the euro, falling 2.1% this week to close at 1.567 dollars per euro.

Lenders and investors are pushing up the interest rates they demand from financial institutions seen as solid just a few months ago, or demanding that they sell assets and come up with cash. Banks and Wall Street firms are so wary about each other that they're pulling back. Financial markets, anticipating that the Fed will cut rates sharply on Tuesday to try to limit the depth of a possible recession, are questioning the central bank's commitment or ability to keep inflation from accelerating.

"Clearly, the whole world is focused on the financial crisis and the U.S. is really the epicenter of the tension," says Carlos Asilis, chief investment officer at Glovista Investments, an advisory firm based in New Jersey. "As a result, we're seeing capital flow out of the U.S."

That is a troubling prospect for a savings-short, debt-heavy economy that relies on $2 billion a day from abroad to finance investment. It is raising the specter of the long-feared crash in the dollar that could further rattle financial markets and boost U.S. interest rates.

Meltdown: the bad news is only just starting
quote:
These are serious times in financial markets. The emergency funding given to Bear Stearns, the troubled American investment bank, shows just how bad it is.

All banks are running for cover. They are frantically trying to build up their balance sheets and eliminate risk. They are not prepared to lend to each other and the biggest concern they have is not one of liquidity, but solvency. That is why Bear Stearns was left high and dry.

The most optimistic interpretation is that the collapse of Bear Stearns is the big casualty we have all been waiting for, and that we will now see a period of consolidation among financial institutions.

The pessimistic view is that the Bear Stearns episode is the equivalent of a fall from a mountain top to a slippery ledge, and there is a greater tumble to come.

Wall Street fears for next Great Depression
quote:
Wall Street is bracing itself for another week of roller-coaster trading after more than $300bn (£150bn) was wiped off the US equity markets on Friday following the emergency funding package put together by the Federal Reserve and JPMorgan Chase to rescue Bear Stearns.

One UK economist warned that the world is now close to a 1930s-like Great Depression, while New York traders said they had never experienced such fear. The Fed's emergency funding procedure was first used in the Depression and has rarely been used since.

A Goldman Sachs trader in New York said: "Everyone is in a total state of shock, aghast at what is happening. No one wants to talk, let alone deal; we're just standing by waiting. Everyone is nervous about what is going to emerge when trading starts tomorrow."

Bear Stearns Bailout Was `Finger in the Dike,' Historians Say
quote:
March 16 (Bloomberg) -- With Bear Stearns Cos.' temporary rescue in place, the $200 billion subprime crisis joins the history of government bailouts to preserve jobs, homes and savings when economic disaster looms.

Ever since Treasury Secretary William Gibbs McAdoo shut the New York Stock Exchange for four months in 1914, to prevent foreign investors from cashing out and throwing the U.S. into financial chaos at the outset of World War I, American policy makers routinely have suspended their support for free markets when confronted by economic peril.

``I think the systemic risks dominate right now, which means you've got to put your finger in the dike,'' says William Silber, a finance professor at New York University's Stern School of Business. He is the author of ``When Washington Shut Down Wall Street: The Great Financial Crisis of 1914 and the Origins of America's Monetary Supremacy'' (Princeton University Press, 232 pages, $27.95).

Bailouts can buy time while policy makers try to defuse panic. Last week, the Federal Reserve Bank of New York provided financial support for Bear Stearns, the fifth-largest U.S. securities firm. It faced eroding investor confidence in the fallout from losses related to securities based on mortgages to the least creditworthy borrowers.

Bear's chat forum
quote:
It took a little digging, but I found it.

The real reason why the Fed panicked and, through Pigman JPM, bailed out Bear Stearns in the first such action since the previous Great Depression.

And here it is:

No matter how far down they bury it, it is still smoking.

That link is to their 2007 SEC 10k filing. Tucked away, well out of view on page 80, is the cold, hard truth as to why they were saved, and will be absorbed--amoeba like--into the belly of JPM.

Are you ready to hear the reason?

Can you handle it?

Are you sure?

Okay, here goes.

Bear Stearns has outstanding derivatives positions with counterparties totalling:

Thirteen trillion dollars.

That's right. Thirteen trillion.

Trillion.

With a "T".

No wonder they couldn't be allowed to fail.


And no wonder that JPM is being chosen to bail out Bear. Not because, as stated, JPM "clears Bear's trades" (which seems odd since Bear claims to be a clearing agent itself), but rather because JPM is already the largest derivatives house (with about $70 trillion or so in positions at last count) and acts as the bagman for the Fed/feds financial shenanigans.

So, now we know the truth. That truth being that we just came within a whisker of a complete, worldwide, systemic, financial derivatives meltdown.
Interview minister van financiën VS, filmpje:
Paulson is q-q-q-quite confident everything will turn out fine

[ Bericht 32% gewijzigd door Perrin op 16-03-2008 17:52:09 ]
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
  zondag 16 maart 2008 @ 20:51:08 #180
145172 gronk
adulescentulus carnifex
pi_57419763
Nakedcapitalism heeft nog een leuke post over Bear Stearns. Gaat een enerverend weekje worden.
I'm trying to make the 'net' a kinder, gentler place. One where you could bring the fuckin' children.
  zondag 16 maart 2008 @ 21:28:20 #181
66113 digitaLL
Dammit guess what
pi_57420456
Hier iemand die dit alles enkele dagen geleden voorspelde.
Derivatives ticking bomb!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5lfAzq-ni4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4YMtE3uWac
It is important to distinguish between a stupid person and a shit head. A stupid person simply can't process the information , a shit head is intelligent but his mind is full of garbage.
  zondag 16 maart 2008 @ 21:32:44 #182
66113 digitaLL
Dammit guess what
pi_57420532
quote:
Op zondag 16 maart 2008 14:40 schreef Perrin het volgende:
Interview minister van financiën VS, filmpje:
Paulson is q-q-q-quite confident everything will turn out fine
Is dat dezelfde Paulson die beweert een voorstander van een "sterke dollar" te zijn
Hij is heel betrouwbaar als je alles wat hij beweert 180 graden roteert. Oftewel, he is quite confident everything will turn out to be a mess.
It is important to distinguish between a stupid person and a shit head. A stupid person simply can't process the information , a shit head is intelligent but his mind is full of garbage.
  zondag 16 maart 2008 @ 21:50:53 #183
145172 gronk
adulescentulus carnifex
pi_57420929
Een gedeelte van de credietcrisis in een stripje:
quote:

(ow, en zoals iemand opmerkte: 'wat de washington post vergeet te vermelden is dat het hedge fund *altijd* z'n geld krijgt. ')
I'm trying to make the 'net' a kinder, gentler place. One where you could bring the fuckin' children.
  zondag 16 maart 2008 @ 21:56:37 #184
78918 SeLang
Black swans matter
pi_57421030
Hoe veilig is het geld van Fok!-ers eigenlijk?

Omdat ik deze shit allang aan zag komen heb ik al een jaar geleden de overgrote meerderheid van mijn spaargeld van de bank (voornamelijk ING) gehaald en in NL staatobligaties gestopt omdat die niet bij de boedel van de bank horen en dus buiten een eventueel faillisement blijven.
"If you want to make God laugh, tell him about your plans"
Mijn reisverslagen
  zondag 16 maart 2008 @ 22:05:37 #185
145172 gronk
adulescentulus carnifex
pi_57421212
quote:
Op zondag 16 maart 2008 21:56 schreef SeLang het volgende:
Hoe veilig is het geld van Fok!-ers eigenlijk?
al mijn geld zit in 'assets'. Wel een vette hypotheekschuld, dus ik hoop dat --als er gekke dingen gebeuren met de rente-- 't nog een beetje leuk is over een jaar of vier..
I'm trying to make the 'net' a kinder, gentler place. One where you could bring the fuckin' children.
  zondag 16 maart 2008 @ 22:07:30 #186
66113 digitaLL
Dammit guess what
pi_57421252
quote:
Op zondag 16 maart 2008 21:56 schreef SeLang het volgende:
Hoe veilig is het geld van Fok!-ers eigenlijk?

Omdat ik deze shit allang aan zag komen heb ik al een jaar geleden de overgrote meerderheid van mijn spaargeld van de bank (voornamelijk ING) gehaald en in NL staatobligaties gestopt omdat die niet bij de boedel van de bank horen en dus buiten een eventueel faillisement blijven.
Ik zit cash bij fortis,aegon, en voor een groot deel in goud op een goudrekening bij ABN. Als de crisis verergert ga fysiek goud kopen bij Kevelam in Garderen. Ik vroeg bij Kevelam om een goudrekening via hun te faciliteren enkele maanden terug. ZIj deden dat in het verleden maar zijn daar mee gestopt omdat zij de banken al niet meer vertrouwen.
It is important to distinguish between a stupid person and a shit head. A stupid person simply can't process the information , a shit head is intelligent but his mind is full of garbage.
  zondag 16 maart 2008 @ 22:10:13 #187
38496 Perrin
Toekomst. Made in Europe.
pi_57421317
quote:
Op zondag 16 maart 2008 21:56 schreef SeLang het volgende:
Hoe veilig is het geld van Fok!-ers eigenlijk?

Omdat ik deze shit allang aan zag komen heb ik al een jaar geleden de overgrote meerderheid van mijn spaargeld van de bank (voornamelijk ING) gehaald en in NL staatobligaties gestopt omdat die niet bij de boedel van de bank horen en dus buiten een eventueel faillisement blijven.
Hierzo een spaarhypotheek, wat geld op NL bankrekening.. Alles binnen bankgarantie dus tenzij ik achteraf fysiek goud had moeten kopen, zit ik denk ik wel goed Alleen als de rente over 3 jaar erg hoog staat, is dat financieel ongunstig.. maar dat is gezien de huidige situatie niet bepaald mijn grootste zorg.
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
pi_57421482
Waarom hebben ze uberhaupt een minister van Financien... is dat het gehandicapte broertje onder de ministers?
  zondag 16 maart 2008 @ 22:20:06 #189
78918 SeLang
Black swans matter
pi_57421516
quote:
Op zondag 16 maart 2008 22:07 schreef digitaLL het volgende:

[..]

Ik zit cash bij fortis,aegon, en voor een groot deel in goud op een goudrekening bij ABN. Als de crisis verergert ga fysiek goud kopen bij Kevelam in Garderen. Ik vroeg bij Kevelam om een goudrekening via hun te faciliteren enkele maanden terug. ZIj deden dat in het verleden maar zijn daar mee gestopt omdat zij de banken al niet meer vertrouwen.
Je kunt ook fysiek goud op naam kopen. Je hebt dan paar op jouw naam geregistreerde goudstaven in een kluis in Australie liggen. Een paar jaar geleden heb ik dit overwogen te doen. Maar toen de goudmarkt rond $600 bubble achtige proporties begon aan te nemen heb ik er vanaf gezien . Bubbles gaan altijd langer door dan je denkt.
"If you want to make God laugh, tell him about your plans"
Mijn reisverslagen
  zondag 16 maart 2008 @ 22:21:13 #190
48840 Xtreem
Minimalist in training
pi_57421545
quote:
Op zondag 16 maart 2008 21:50 schreef gronk het volgende:
Een gedeelte van de credietcrisis in een stripje:
[..]

(ow, en zoals iemand opmerkte: 'wat de washington post vergeet te vermelden is dat het hedge fund *altijd* z'n geld krijgt. ')
Powerpoint over subprimes
The secret to happiness is freedom...
And the secret to freedom is courage.
Thucydides
  zondag 16 maart 2008 @ 22:32:04 #191
48840 Xtreem
Minimalist in training
pi_57421812
Mijn enorme hoeveelheid assets ( ) zit cash bij ING en in Biotech stocks..
The secret to happiness is freedom...
And the secret to freedom is courage.
Thucydides
  zondag 16 maart 2008 @ 22:38:34 #192
78918 SeLang
Black swans matter
pi_57421989
Zoals verwacht: JPMorgan koopt Bear Stearns (volgens Wallstreet Journal)
quote:
JPMorgan closes in on buying Bear Stearns: WSJ

Sun Mar 16, 2008 5:12pm EDT
By Dan Wilchins and Joseph Giannone

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Bear Stearns Cos Inc (BSC.N: Quote, Profile, Research) is hoping to announce a deal to sell itself to JPMorgan Chase & Co (JPM.N: Quote, Profile, Research) before Asian markets open on Monday, the Wall Street Journal reported on Sunday, as the investment bank struggles to save itself.

Bear Stearns, the fifth-largest U.S. investment bank, could sell itself for around $2.2 billion, the newspaper reported. That would amount to less than $20 a share.

The low sale price, equal to about two-thirds the company's $30.85 closing share price on Friday, signals just how dire the situation is for the 85-year-old investment bank.

Bear Stearns' cash reserves were drained by nervous trading partners Thursday, and it received a bailout from the Federal Reserve on Friday. The lifeline, extended through JPMorgan Chase, was intended to give Bear 28 days to get its house in order.

But even with that lifeline, customers fled on Friday, and will likely continue to do so without news regarding takeover talks, analysts said.

"They have to announce something sooner rather than later," said Jim Huguet, portfolio manager at Great Companies LLC in Tampa, Florida, which does not own Bear Stearns shares.

JPMorgan Chase, the third largest U.S. bank and one of the few global banks relatively unscathed by the credit crunch, is looking to limit some liabilities in acquiring Bear Stearns, the Wall Street Journal reported.

Bear Stearns has complicated mortgage bond and credit derivative assets on its balance sheet, and valuing them could be difficult. Bear may also face legal liability from soured subprime mortgage bonds it sold, analysts said.

Those complex liabilities could slow down the progress of any talks, which is why one analyst in Boston, speaking on condition of anonymity, said he suspects Bear Stearns will soon announce it is in advanced talks with a buyer rather than actually signing a deal.

Private equity firm JC Flowers & Co, which has snapped up distressed banks, also is in the mix, the New York Times reports. Representatives for JPMorgan, Bear Stearns, and Flowers were not immediately available for comment.

CRISIS OF CONFIDENCE

JPMorgan, an institution that has stepped in to rescue banks for more than a century, at the least is expected to purchase Bear's sizable prime brokerage unit, a person familiar with the situation told Reuters on Friday.

Investors lost confidence in Bear in recent weeks, because it is the smallest of the major investment banks and, at the same time, renowned as an aggressive trader in credit and mortgage markets. Bear generates a much bigger percentage of its revenue from the U.S. fixed income markets than its competitors.

In a classic run on the bank, traders last week stopped doing business with Bear because they feared the firm might go bust, draining cash and making a collapse all the more likely.

Given that lack of confidence, it would be more difficult for Bear to remain in business and rebuild, even if can raise capital or minimize its losses.

But the Federal Reserve is unlikely to allow Bear to fail, for fear it could trigger a chain reaction of failures. The investment bank has massive positions in interest-rate swaps, credit default swaps, and other derivatives with all of Wall Street. If it failed, a number of other banks could be hurt and investor confidence in the already fragile financial system could be further shaken.

Following previous crises, famous firms such as Kidder Peabody, Salomon Brothers and First Boston were forced to seek buyers with robust balance sheets.

Bear last week accelerated plans to announced its first quarter results to Monday, at which time Bear would also disclose it cash position, capital levels and exposures to hard-hit assets.

Analysts on average expect Bear's first quarter earnings to plunge by more than half to $1.19 a share from $3.82 a share a year ago, and revenue to shrink to $1.4 billion from $2.5 billion, Reuters Estimates said on Sunday.
"If you want to make God laugh, tell him about your plans"
Mijn reisverslagen
pi_57422101
quote:
Op zondag 16 maart 2008 21:56 schreef SeLang het volgende:
Hoe veilig is het geld van Fok!-ers eigenlijk?

Omdat ik deze shit allang aan zag komen heb ik al een jaar geleden de overgrote meerderheid van mijn spaargeld van de bank (voornamelijk ING) gehaald en in NL staatobligaties gestopt omdat die niet bij de boedel van de bank horen en dus buiten een eventueel faillisement blijven.
Ik heb zo'n beetje alles behalve wat 'just in case geld' gebruikt om mijn hypotheek te verlagen. Die staat nu op zo'n 20% van de huidige marktwaarde van mijn woning. Ik verwacht voorlopig nog niet dat de waarde van de woning onder de schuld zal duiken.
pi_57422647
quote:
Op zondag 16 maart 2008 21:56 schreef SeLang het volgende:
Hoe veilig is het geld van Fok!-ers eigenlijk?
Over die paar euro maak ik mij niet druk
  zondag 16 maart 2008 @ 23:18:31 #195
55709 Stereotomy
Mens sana in corpore sano
pi_57423087
Ik heb mijn geld op een spaarrekening van de DSB Bank. Nu ik dit zo typ, bekruipt me het gevoel dat dit niet zo slim klinkt.

Dollar kust tegen de 1.574 aan nu. Jeutje.
Confidence through competence
  zondag 16 maart 2008 @ 23:21:30 #196
55709 Stereotomy
Mens sana in corpore sano
pi_57423177
quote:
EU must accept dollar weakness
By Martin Feldstein

Monday, Mar 17, 2008, Page 9

When the euro's value reached an all-time high of US$1.52, European Central Bank (ECB) president Jean-Claude Trichet told the media that he was concerned about its rapid appreciation and wanted to "underline" the US treasury's official policy of supporting a strong dollar. Several European finance ministers subsequently echoed a similar theme.

In reality, of course, the US does not have a dollar policy -- other than letting the market determine its value. The US government does not intervene in the foreign exchange market to support the dollar, and the US Federal Reserve's monetary policy is certainly not directed toward such a goal. Nor is the Fed specifically aiming to lower the dollar's value. Although cutting the Federal Funds interest rate from 5.25 percent last summer to 3 percent now contributes to dollar depreciation, this has been aimed at stimulating a weakening economy.

Nevertheless, all US Treasury secretaries, going back at least to Robert Rubin in the Clinton administration, have repeated the mantra that "a strong dollar is good for America" whenever they were asked about the dollar's value. But, while this seems more responsive than "no comment," it says little about the course of current and future US government action.

Indeed, the Treasury's only explicit currency goal now is to press the Chinese to raise the value of the yuan, thereby reducing the dollar's global trade-weighted average. The pressure on China is, however, entirely consistent with the broader US policy of encouraging countries to allow the financial market to determine their currencies' exchange rate.

There is, of course, truth to the statement that a strong dollar benefits the US public, since it allows Americans to buy foreign products at a lower cost in dollars. But, while the declining dollar does reduce Americans' purchasing power, the magnitude of this effect is not large, because imports account for only about 15 percent of US GDP. A 20 percent dollar depreciation would therefore reduce Americans' purchasing power by only 3 percent. At the same time, the lower dollar makes US products more competitive in global markets, leading to increased exports and reduced imports.

The dollar has declined during the past two years against not only the euro but also against most other currencies, including the Japanese yen and the yuan. On a real trade-weighted basis, the dollar is down about 13 percent relative to its value in March 2006.

This improved competitiveness of US goods and services is needed to shrink the massive US trade deficit. Even with the dollar's decline and the resulting 25 percent rise in US exports in the past two years, the US still had an annualized trade deficit at the end of fourth quarter of last year of about US$700 billion (5 percent of GDP). Because US imports are nearly twice as large as US exports, it takes a 20 percent increase in exports to balance a 10 percent increase in imports. That means that the dollar must fall substantially further to shrink the trade deficit to a sustainable level.

Investors around the world want to reduce their dollar holdings for three major reasons. First, interest rates are higher on euro and British bonds than on similar US securities, making investments in those currencies more rewarding than investments in dollars.

Second, since the US has a large trade deficit that can only be cured by a more competitive dollar (while the euro-zone countries collectively have a trade surplus), investors expect a trend decline in the dollar. That predictable dollar decline makes the relative return on holding dollar bonds even lower than the interest-rate differential alone implies.

Finally, investors are adding nearly a trillion dollars worth of net dollar securities to their positions every year, thus increasing the risk of continued dollar accumulation. With a lower total yield and increased portfolio risk, it is not surprising that investors worldwide want to sell dollars.

Although individual foreign investors can sell the dollar securities that they own, they can only sell them to other foreign investors. As long as the US has a current account deficit, the stock of foreign-owned claims on the US economy must rise. But when foreign investors don't want to continue to hold dollar securities, their attempts to sell them will push down their value until the combination of reduced exposure and reduced fear of further dollar decline makes them willing to hold the outstanding stock of dollar securities.

Instead of simply wishing that the dollar would stop falling, European governments need to take steps to stimulate domestic demand to replace the loss of sales and jobs that will otherwise accompany the more competitive dollar. This is not an easy task, because the ECB must remain vigilant about rising inflation, and because many EU countries maintain large fiscal deficits.

While the ECB has limited room for maneuver, regulatory changes and revenue-neutral shifts in the tax structure (for example, a temporary investment tax credit financed by a temporary increase in the corporate tax rate) could provide the stimulus needed to offset declining net exports.

Martin Feldstein, a professor of economics at Harvard, was chairman of former US president Ronald Reagan's Council of Economic Advisers.

http://www.taipeitimes.co(...)008/03/17/2003405950
Confidence through competence
  zondag 16 maart 2008 @ 23:24:48 #197
78918 SeLang
Black swans matter
pi_57423274
quote:
Op zondag 16 maart 2008 23:18 schreef Stereotomy het volgende:
Ik heb mijn geld op een spaarrekening van de DSB Bank. Nu ik dit zo typ, bekruipt me het gevoel dat dit niet zo slim klinkt.
Zolang je maar onder de 20.000 blijft (garantie van De Nederlandse Bank) is er niks aan de hand.
"If you want to make God laugh, tell him about your plans"
Mijn reisverslagen
  zondag 16 maart 2008 @ 23:31:48 #198
145172 gronk
adulescentulus carnifex
pi_57423452
quote:
Instead of simply wishing that the dollar would stop falling, European governments need to take steps to stimulate domestic demand to replace the loss of sales and jobs that will otherwise accompany the more competitive dollar.
Hrm. Wat betekent dat? Een lastenverlichting voor consumenten, in combinatie met een lastenverzwaring voor bedrijven?
I'm trying to make the 'net' a kinder, gentler place. One where you could bring the fuckin' children.
  zondag 16 maart 2008 @ 23:39:39 #199
66113 digitaLL
Dammit guess what
pi_57423616
quote:
Fed Must Buy Securities to Halt Crisis
,Cambiar's Barish Says

By Christine Harper

March 16 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. Federal Reserve must start buying or borrowing mortgage-related securities from banks and brokers to forestall an economic disaster, said Brian Barish, who helps manage $8 billion at Cambiar Investors LLC.

``The Great Depression was caused by a failure by the Fed to respond to a crisis of somewhat similar character,'' Barish, president of Denver-based Cambiar, said in an interview yesterday. ``We better get the right policy real quick or you could just have a situation that should have been a run-of-the- mill recession turn into something worse.''
....


The chances of getting through this in my opinion without using taxpayer dollars are slim to none
,'' Barish said.
Ik denk ook dat de US taxpayers uiteindelijk de rekening krijgen toegeschoven.
Via inflatie en belastingverhogingen op langere termijn.
Bloomberg
It is important to distinguish between a stupid person and a shit head. A stupid person simply can't process the information , a shit head is intelligent but his mind is full of garbage.
  zondag 16 maart 2008 @ 23:44:46 #200
38496 Perrin
Toekomst. Made in Europe.
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Privatize the earnings, socialize the losses..
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
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