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Het is grappig en triest tegelijk hoe heel Nederland achteloos van de media aanneemt dat Joran de schuldige moet zijn. De belangrijkste informatie omtrent haar verdwijning is door Amerikanen op het internet opgepikt in de eerste twee maanden na haar verdwijning: juni/juli 2005.
Om een beeld te schetsen van een andere verdachte in deze zaak, zal ik wat informatie geven dat lang, lang geleden voer voor discussie was op de fora websleuths.com, scaredmonkeys.com en riehlworldview.com. Lang voordat Peter R. de Vries zich op de zaak stortte zijn enkele scenario's geschetst die nog altijd staan als een huis, en waar de uitzending van de Vries het publiek wel eens mee kan gaan verrassen.
Steve Gregory Croes
( http://www.riehlworldview(...)6/croes_picture.html ) was ten tijde van Natalees verdwijning DJ op de Tatoo Party Boat, een klein model cruiseschip voor de kust van Aruba waar feestjes op werden georganiseerd. Het neemt groepen toeristen mee de Caribische Zee op en laat ze daar drinken en op muziek dansen. Steve had de beschikking over een sleutel van deze boot en was de vaste DJ. Op zondagavonden bleef de boot altijd aan wal, slechts in geval van speciale prive-boekingen werd dan uitgevaren. Natalee Holloway verdween in de nacht van zondag 30 mei 2005 in het bijzijn van vermoedelijk Joran van der Sloot. De eerste verklaring van Joran, Satish en Deepak was echter dat zij Natalee hebben afgezet bij de lobby van het Holiday Inn. Op basis van die informatie zijn in Juni 2005 ook twee security guards van Holiday Inn gearresteerd. Echter, de verklaring werd door J2K (Joran en Kalpoe brothers) weer ingetrokken en de guards werden vrijgelaten.
Op het moment dat J2K de verklaring introkken, kwam Steve Croes echter uit het niets naar justitie om te verklaren dat hij gezien had hoe J2K die nacht Natalee hadden afgezet bij haar hotel. Omdat J2K hun verklaring toen al hadden ingetrokken, maakte dit Steve Croes direct verdacht. Want waarom zou hij vrijwillig en out-of-the-blue naar justitie stappen om een verklaring in te dienen ten gunste van J2K? Justitie vond dit verdacht en Steve Croes heeft 10 dagen vastgezeten en is daarna vrijgelaten. Wat justitie echter niet heeft onderzocht is de rol van de Tatoo Party Boat in deze verdwijningszaak. De boot is niet geinspecteerd en ook is niet onderzocht waarom Steve Croes ontslagen werd als DJ van de boot.
In Juni 2005 is het guestbook van de Tatoo Party Boat website volgespamd met berichten van Amerikaanse internetters als "Where is Natalee?" Het guestbook is toen offline gehaald, het bericht dat de webmasters hiertoe besloten hadden is nog altijd te raadplegen via deze link:
http://web.archive.org/we(...)ventures/dcguest.cgi
Nog vreemder is het feit dat de Tatoo Party Boat vrijwel direct na Natalees verdwijning te koop is gezet op Internet voor een bedrag van $ 875.000,- Deze advertentie is nog altijd te zien via de volgende link:
http://yachtbroker.escapeartist.com/boats/action/view/boat/297/
De boot is dus nog steeds niet verkocht.
Maar er is meer. Negen dagen voor Natalees verdwijning (mei 2005) is er op hetzelfde strand nabij Holiday Inn een vrouw aangerand en gepoogd in de auto te trekken van een gezette Arubaan met een apart model (achthoekige) bril. De vrouw is ontkomen en heeft aangifte gedaan bij de Arubaanse politie. Naar aanleiding van deze aangifte is een compositietekening gemaakt en later is deze figuur gelinked aan een foto waarop zowel hij als Steve Croes waren te zien tijdens een Arubaans feest. In deze fotoserie zijn ook foto's van Satish Kalpoe terug te vinden, hij was ook aanwezig op dat feest. De foto's werden gehosted op een site van de TU Delft, de reden hiervoor is nog altijd onduidelijk. Steve Gregory Croes bevindt zich klaarblijkelijk in een sociale kring die ronduit geweldadig is. De foto met de gezette Arubaan met achthoekige bril en Croes is destijds door Arubaanse bloggers naar Peter R. de Vries gezonden.
Een mogelijk scenario van Natalees verdwijning zou zich kunnen afspelen met betrokkenheid van deze Steve Croes en misschien nog anderen. Wellicht heeft de Tatoo Party Boat hier een grote rol ingespeeld en is dit iets wat justitie nooit heeft opgepakt. Bovenstaande gegevens zijn tenminste merkwaardig en zou een verklaring kunnen zijn voor een "hide-and-seek" spelende Joran van der Sloot om de aandacht af te leiden van de werkelijke dader(s).
We zullen morgen zien waar Peter R. de Vries meekomt. Uitgelekt is al dat er een boot en "een vriend"in het spel zijn. De Tatoo Party Boat en Steve Croes zouden nog wel eens alle losse eindjes aan elkaar kunnen knopen.
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Om een beeld te schetsen van een andere verdachte in deze zaak, zal ik wat informatie geven dat lang, lang geleden voer voor discussie was op de fora websleuths.com, scaredmonkeys.com en riehlworldview.com. Lang voordat Peter R. de Vries zich op de zaak stortte zijn enkele scenario's geschetst die nog altijd staan als een huis, en waar de uitzending van de Vries het publiek wel eens mee kan gaan verrassen.
Steve Gregory Croes
( http://www.riehlworldview(...)6/croes_picture.html ) was ten tijde van Natalees verdwijning DJ op de Tatoo Party Boat, een klein model cruiseschip voor de kust van Aruba waar feestjes op werden georganiseerd. Het neemt groepen toeristen mee de Caribische Zee op en laat ze daar drinken en op muziek dansen. Steve had de beschikking over een sleutel van deze boot en was de vaste DJ. Op zondagavonden bleef de boot altijd aan wal, slechts in geval van speciale prive-boekingen werd dan uitgevaren. Natalee Holloway verdween in de nacht van zondag 30 mei 2005 in het bijzijn van vermoedelijk Joran van der Sloot. De eerste verklaring van Joran, Satish en Deepak was echter dat zij Natalee hebben afgezet bij de lobby van het Holiday Inn. Op basis van die informatie zijn in Juni 2005 ook twee security guards van Holiday Inn gearresteerd. Echter, de verklaring werd door J2K (Joran en Kalpoe brothers) weer ingetrokken en de guards werden vrijgelaten.
Op het moment dat J2K de verklaring introkken, kwam Steve Croes echter uit het niets naar justitie om te verklaren dat hij gezien had hoe J2K die nacht Natalee hadden afgezet bij haar hotel. Omdat J2K hun verklaring toen al hadden ingetrokken, maakte dit Steve Croes direct verdacht. Want waarom zou hij vrijwillig en out-of-the-blue naar justitie stappen om een verklaring in te dienen ten gunste van J2K? Justitie vond dit verdacht en Steve Croes heeft 10 dagen vastgezeten en is daarna vrijgelaten. Wat justitie echter niet heeft onderzocht is de rol van de Tatoo Party Boat in deze verdwijningszaak. De boot is niet geinspecteerd en ook is niet onderzocht waarom Steve Croes ontslagen werd als DJ van de boot.
In Juni 2005 is het guestbook van de Tatoo Party Boat website volgespamd met berichten van Amerikaanse internetters als "Where is Natalee?" Het guestbook is toen offline gehaald, het bericht dat de webmasters hiertoe besloten hadden is nog altijd te raadplegen via deze link:
http://web.archive.org/we(...)ventures/dcguest.cgi
Nog vreemder is het feit dat de Tatoo Party Boat vrijwel direct na Natalees verdwijning te koop is gezet op Internet voor een bedrag van $ 875.000,- Deze advertentie is nog altijd te zien via de volgende link:
http://yachtbroker.escapeartist.com/boats/action/view/boat/297/
De boot is dus nog steeds niet verkocht.
Maar er is meer. Negen dagen voor Natalees verdwijning (mei 2005) is er op hetzelfde strand nabij Holiday Inn een vrouw aangerand en gepoogd in de auto te trekken van een gezette Arubaan met een apart model (achthoekige) bril. De vrouw is ontkomen en heeft aangifte gedaan bij de Arubaanse politie. Naar aanleiding van deze aangifte is een compositietekening gemaakt en later is deze figuur gelinked aan een foto waarop zowel hij als Steve Croes waren te zien tijdens een Arubaans feest. In deze fotoserie zijn ook foto's van Satish Kalpoe terug te vinden, hij was ook aanwezig op dat feest. De foto's werden gehosted op een site van de TU Delft, de reden hiervoor is nog altijd onduidelijk. Steve Gregory Croes bevindt zich klaarblijkelijk in een sociale kring die ronduit geweldadig is. De foto met de gezette Arubaan met achthoekige bril en Croes is destijds door Arubaanse bloggers naar Peter R. de Vries gezonden.
Een mogelijk scenario van Natalees verdwijning zou zich kunnen afspelen met betrokkenheid van deze Steve Croes en misschien nog anderen. Wellicht heeft de Tatoo Party Boat hier een grote rol ingespeeld en is dit iets wat justitie nooit heeft opgepakt. Bovenstaande gegevens zijn tenminste merkwaardig en zou een verklaring kunnen zijn voor een "hide-and-seek" spelende Joran van der Sloot om de aandacht af te leiden van de werkelijke dader(s).
We zullen morgen zien waar Peter R. de Vries meekomt. Uitgelekt is al dat er een boot en "een vriend"in het spel zijn. De Tatoo Party Boat en Steve Croes zouden nog wel eens alle losse eindjes aan elkaar kunnen knopen.
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Ben inderdaad benieuwd of Da Freeze dit ook mee heeft genomen in zijn baanbrekende onderzoek.
Echte liefde!
En ik zag dat het goed was.
En ik zag dat het goed was.
Renegade is en wordt de topper van Fok met misschien wel de juiste voorkennis!!!!!!!
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Ik vroeg me al af waar Steve bleef, hij mag hier natuurlijk niet ontbreken.
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Wat ik wel begrepen heb, uit de verklaring van de moeder van Natalee,tijdens gesprek met Da Freez, wat ze zei"How could THEY do this!.
Dus die moeder heeft iets gehoord, cq gezien waar meerdere personen aan deelnamen,dus Joran is het niet,of niet
alleen geweest.
Dus die moeder heeft iets gehoord, cq gezien waar meerdere personen aan deelnamen,dus Joran is het niet,of niet
alleen geweest.
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Ik denk dat ze gestorven is door een ongeluk en dat ze vervolgens zijn uitgevaren en haar lijk hebben gedumpt. Frappant is ook dat op het strand bij Holiday Inn, waar de Tatoo lag aangemeerd, die nacht is ingebroken in de zogenaamde Fisherman's Huts. Dit zijn schuurtjes waar vissers hun werktuig bewaren. Naar verluidt zijn hier "viskooien"en touw gestolen.quote:Op zaterdag 2 februari 2008 22:09 schreef SCH het volgende:
Goed topic.
Vat het eens samen -wie zou dan de dader zijn?
CNN Transcripts uit 2005 om mijn vermoeden te staven:
Nancy Grace for June 27, 2005, CNNHN
Aired June 17, 2005 - 20:00:00 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/17/ng.01.html
Steve Croes is a D.J. on the tattoo party boat. That`s 150-foot three-deck catamaran that sails just off the west coast of Aruba with partygoers on board, usually in the evenings. And he is the D.J. on that ship. But his boss, Marcus Williams (sic), has also told us that he is an experienced seaman, as well, Nancy.
GRACE: You know what, Karl Penhaul, a lot of what you`re telling me, very, very interesting the fact that no sight nor sound, hide nor hair of Natalee Holloway, and you`re saying this guy D.J.s on a cruise ship. Explain that. What, does he go out for the evening, they party hardy, and then come back?
PENHAUL: Exactly that cruise ship, called the tattoo party boat, like I say, a 110-foot catamaran, that usually leaves the pier in front of the Aruba Grand Hotel. That`s about 300 yards down the beach from the Holiday Inn where Natalee Holloway was staying. That boat leaves most evenings at around 8 o`clock in the evening, gets back about 12 o`clock.
The staff, the crew of the boat, are usually leaving the pier and going home around 1 o`clock. But according to the owner, that boat generally doesn`t go out on a Sunday night, unless, of course, there`s a special party booked. You`ll remember that Natalee Holloway went missing late Sunday night, very early Monday morning -- Nancy?
GRACE: Karl, do we know if there was a special party booked that Sunday night that she went missing?
PENHAUL: We don`t have that answer yet. We are looking into that to see what the boat`s movements were. We do know from the owner, Marcus Williams (sic), that Steve Croes did have a key to the boat. But the owner also tells us that the boat has a special electronic security system on it and he doesn`t believe that Steve Croes would have been able to take the boat without his permission. And he has described Steve Croes as a model employee, Nancy.
GRACE: Hmm. Let me quickly go to David Schwartz, defense attorney. David, these three guys, Van Der Sloot and the other two young guys that took Natalee, it was not against her will, but went with her from the bar that night. At this juncture, they`re being held separately. They`ve not been able to meet with their family.
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Karl, today the release of the party boat DJ Steve Croes. Explain.
KARL PENHAUL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, he was released just on Monday. In fact, and today we sat down and talked to him. And basically, what it comes down to is that Steve Croes is telling us that he overheard a conversation in an Internet cafe where one of the other suspects, Deepak Kalpoe, works. And then Steve Croes went along to the police and repeated that overheard conversation as if he knew it to be a fact. That landed him in trouble. It also landed him in jail for 10 days. But finally a judge looking through the evidence said, no, I don't believe Steve Croes has anything to do with this. There's no evidence to back that up, and then decided to release him -- Nancy.
GRACE: So, Karl Penhaul, it sounds to me that he's at the Internet cafe, this DJ. He overhears Deepak Kalpoe cooking up some story on the phone about what they're going to tell police. He ends up telling police, but why did they arrest him?
PENHAUL: Because then when the story of three suspects who last saw Natalee Holloway outside of Carlos 'n Charlie's Bar, Joran Van Der Sloot and the two Kalpoe brothers, as their stories fell apart under interrogation and Steve Croes, the DJ, had told investigators the same story that the boys initially told investigators, i.e., that they had dropped Natalee off at the holiday inn, then investigators assumed that Steve Croes actually knew more than he was letting on.
But when you talk to Steve Croes, what he's basically saying between the lines is, me and my big mouth have gotten me into trouble. I was just repeating something I overheard. I have no firsthand knowledge. But investigators thought he did have first-hand knowledge -- Nancy.
GRACE: And, Karl, Croes told me that he has now lost his job over this?
PENHAUL: Indeed. When we talked to his boss, Marcus Wiggins, he's the owner of the Tattoo party boat, Marcus Wiggins was singing Steve Croes' praises, a good employee, always on time, a loyal employee. And now what Marcus Wiggins has told Steve is given his him marching orders. He says, no, you are fired and don't come back to work.
Nancy Grace for June 27, 2005, CNNHN
Aired June 17, 2005 - 20:00:00 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/17/ng.01.html
Steve Croes is a D.J. on the tattoo party boat. That`s 150-foot three-deck catamaran that sails just off the west coast of Aruba with partygoers on board, usually in the evenings. And he is the D.J. on that ship. But his boss, Marcus Williams (sic), has also told us that he is an experienced seaman, as well, Nancy.
GRACE: You know what, Karl Penhaul, a lot of what you`re telling me, very, very interesting the fact that no sight nor sound, hide nor hair of Natalee Holloway, and you`re saying this guy D.J.s on a cruise ship. Explain that. What, does he go out for the evening, they party hardy, and then come back?
PENHAUL: Exactly that cruise ship, called the tattoo party boat, like I say, a 110-foot catamaran, that usually leaves the pier in front of the Aruba Grand Hotel. That`s about 300 yards down the beach from the Holiday Inn where Natalee Holloway was staying. That boat leaves most evenings at around 8 o`clock in the evening, gets back about 12 o`clock.
The staff, the crew of the boat, are usually leaving the pier and going home around 1 o`clock. But according to the owner, that boat generally doesn`t go out on a Sunday night, unless, of course, there`s a special party booked. You`ll remember that Natalee Holloway went missing late Sunday night, very early Monday morning -- Nancy?
GRACE: Karl, do we know if there was a special party booked that Sunday night that she went missing?
PENHAUL: We don`t have that answer yet. We are looking into that to see what the boat`s movements were. We do know from the owner, Marcus Williams (sic), that Steve Croes did have a key to the boat. But the owner also tells us that the boat has a special electronic security system on it and he doesn`t believe that Steve Croes would have been able to take the boat without his permission. And he has described Steve Croes as a model employee, Nancy.
GRACE: Hmm. Let me quickly go to David Schwartz, defense attorney. David, these three guys, Van Der Sloot and the other two young guys that took Natalee, it was not against her will, but went with her from the bar that night. At this juncture, they`re being held separately. They`ve not been able to meet with their family.
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Karl, today the release of the party boat DJ Steve Croes. Explain.
KARL PENHAUL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, he was released just on Monday. In fact, and today we sat down and talked to him. And basically, what it comes down to is that Steve Croes is telling us that he overheard a conversation in an Internet cafe where one of the other suspects, Deepak Kalpoe, works. And then Steve Croes went along to the police and repeated that overheard conversation as if he knew it to be a fact. That landed him in trouble. It also landed him in jail for 10 days. But finally a judge looking through the evidence said, no, I don't believe Steve Croes has anything to do with this. There's no evidence to back that up, and then decided to release him -- Nancy.
GRACE: So, Karl Penhaul, it sounds to me that he's at the Internet cafe, this DJ. He overhears Deepak Kalpoe cooking up some story on the phone about what they're going to tell police. He ends up telling police, but why did they arrest him?
PENHAUL: Because then when the story of three suspects who last saw Natalee Holloway outside of Carlos 'n Charlie's Bar, Joran Van Der Sloot and the two Kalpoe brothers, as their stories fell apart under interrogation and Steve Croes, the DJ, had told investigators the same story that the boys initially told investigators, i.e., that they had dropped Natalee off at the holiday inn, then investigators assumed that Steve Croes actually knew more than he was letting on.
But when you talk to Steve Croes, what he's basically saying between the lines is, me and my big mouth have gotten me into trouble. I was just repeating something I overheard. I have no firsthand knowledge. But investigators thought he did have first-hand knowledge -- Nancy.
GRACE: And, Karl, Croes told me that he has now lost his job over this?
PENHAUL: Indeed. When we talked to his boss, Marcus Wiggins, he's the owner of the Tattoo party boat, Marcus Wiggins was singing Steve Croes' praises, a good employee, always on time, a loyal employee. And now what Marcus Wiggins has told Steve is given his him marching orders. He says, no, you are fired and don't come back to work.
Wie zijn dan die ze?quote:Op zaterdag 2 februari 2008 22:13 schreef renegade808 het volgende:
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Ik denk dat ze gestorven is door een ongeluk en dat ze vervolgens zijn uitgevaren en haar lijk hebben gedumpt. Frappant is ook dat op het strand bij Holiday Inn, waar de Tatoo lag aangemeerd, die nacht is ingebroken in de zogenaamde Fisherman's Huts. Dit zijn schuurtjes waar vissers hun werktuig bewaren. Naar verluidt zijn hier "viskooien"en touw gestolen.
Ik denk Steve en een nog onbekende kennis van Steve.quote:
De Tatoo Party Boat ligt aangemeerd en moet worden losgekoppeld, misschien heeft Joran hier zijn schoenen voor uitgetrokken. Ze hadden haast en hij raakte ze kwijt. Of ze zijn nog op de boot. Ik denk echter niet dat Joran is meegegaan op de boot. Hij is naar huis gelopen.
Op de boot lijkt me sterk, die boot staat te koop, FBI moet deze confisceren en onderzoek op doen.
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stukje van Halion 2005 op Fok page
DJ admits false tale about missing teen
Aruba prosecutor says judge told son: No body, no case
Friday, July 1, 2005; Posted: 2:34 a.m. EDT (06:34 GMT)
PALM BEACH, Aruba (CNN) -- A disc jockey who spent 10 days in jail after being arrested and questioned about a missing American teenager admits he lied to Aruban police to protect one of the suspects in custody.
"I heard this guy talking on the phone at the Internet cafe," Steve Croes said. "So my story was like almost exactly as his."
Croes was referring to Deepak Kalpoe, 21, who originally said he and his brother Satish, 18, and their friend Joran Van Der Sloot, 17, drove Natalee Holloway back to the Holiday Inn the night of May 30.
Croes told police he saw the young men drop Holloway off at the hotel.
"So that's why they thought that maybe I was in it," Croes told CNN Wednesday. "But everything that I knew, I just hear it from his voice, when he was talking on the phone."
Croes works on a party boat that docks about 1,000 feet from the Holiday Inn where Holloway was staying when she disappeared.
The Kalpoes later said they dropped Joran and Natalee off at a beach down the road.
When she disappeared, the 18 year old was celebrating her high school graduation in Aruba with about 100 classmates and several parent chaperones from Mountain Brook, Alabama, a suburb of Birmingham.
She was last seen leaving a nightclub with the Kalpoe brothers and Van Der Sloot. They were arrested on June 9 and have been detained since.
No charges have been filed against the three, and their attorneys have said the men are innocent.
Police released Croes Monday after a judge ruled there was not enough evidence to hold him. The DJ was arrested June 17 after at least one of the three still being held named him during questioning by authorities, officials said.
A hearing is scheduled early next week to determine whether the Kalpoe brothers and Van Der Sloot can be held for 60 more days.
Prosecutor: Van Der Sloots interfered
Judge Paul Van Der Sloot, Joran's father, was arrested a week ago, but was released a few days later.
Aruba's chief prosecutor Karin Janssen told CNN Wednesday the elder Van Der Sloot told his son that without a body police would have no case.
Janssen said the judge made the comment "some days after" Holloway disappeared in a conversation with his son and the Kalpoes.
Investigators learned about his conversation with the three during questioning of one of the Kalpoe brothers, Janssen said, and when asked about the comment, the judge replied that he had been speaking about such a situation "generally."
In addition, he and his wife, Anita, interfered in the case by asking a friend of their son what he had told police during questioning, Janssen said.
"That was not positive to the investigation," she said.
CNN has tried unsuccessfully to contact the couple and attorneys representing the father and son.
The release of the elder Van Der Sloot was met with chagrin by Holloway's family.
"He definitely, definitely has information that he needs to step forward and be the man that he is and disclose that information," Holloway's mother, Beth Twitty, told CNN.
Janssen said criticism of the way Aruban authorities have handled the case "is not justified."
"We have a civilized society. We have a decent law system. We can't book people when we want ... [like] a bunch of cowboys," she said. "We have made some progress, and we are doing it in our way. It is maybe not fast enough for a lot of people, but it is no grounds to have such criticism."
The legal system in Aruba, an autonomous member of the Kingdom of the Netherlands, is based partly on Dutch civil law.
Janssen said she thinks island police "are doing a hell of a job."
The prosecutor said the investigation is being conducted around the three suspects in custody, "so we get a clear picture of where they were, and what has happened, and what happened to Natalee." She described the process as "millimeter work" going on "around the clock."
"It's a real puzzle, but we are getting the picture of the puzzle, I think," she said.
Janssen said authorities in Aruba are working Holloway's disappearance as a missing person's case with the possibility of murder, although they have not definitively concluded that the teen is dead.
Mother: Time wasted
Twitty, however, wonders how much time investigators lost checking out Croes' story.
"I think that's sad for him if that's how it truly happened," she said. "I just don't want to waste any more ... energy or focus on the wrong individuals."
Croes said he lied to police because he thought he was helping Deepak stay out of trouble.
"If you were sitting in the cafe and heard the guy, you'd think he was telling the truth, too," Croes said.
Aruba on Thursday was awaiting the deployment of another contingent of Dutch Marines to assist with the search for Holloway.
The Netherlands agreed Wednesday to assign the Marines to the search, joining several hundred others stationed on the island who have been looking.
Also scouring the island is a team of search specialists that arrived last weekend. The volunteer group, Texas EquuSearch, has sent some searchers home, as well as several cadaver dogs, but expects to have new volunteers arrive to continue the search.
CNN's Chris Lawrence, Alex Quade and Patrick Oppmann contributed to this report.
DJ admits false tale about missing teen
Aruba prosecutor says judge told son: No body, no case
Friday, July 1, 2005; Posted: 2:34 a.m. EDT (06:34 GMT)
PALM BEACH, Aruba (CNN) -- A disc jockey who spent 10 days in jail after being arrested and questioned about a missing American teenager admits he lied to Aruban police to protect one of the suspects in custody.
"I heard this guy talking on the phone at the Internet cafe," Steve Croes said. "So my story was like almost exactly as his."
Croes was referring to Deepak Kalpoe, 21, who originally said he and his brother Satish, 18, and their friend Joran Van Der Sloot, 17, drove Natalee Holloway back to the Holiday Inn the night of May 30.
Croes told police he saw the young men drop Holloway off at the hotel.
"So that's why they thought that maybe I was in it," Croes told CNN Wednesday. "But everything that I knew, I just hear it from his voice, when he was talking on the phone."
Croes works on a party boat that docks about 1,000 feet from the Holiday Inn where Holloway was staying when she disappeared.
The Kalpoes later said they dropped Joran and Natalee off at a beach down the road.
When she disappeared, the 18 year old was celebrating her high school graduation in Aruba with about 100 classmates and several parent chaperones from Mountain Brook, Alabama, a suburb of Birmingham.
She was last seen leaving a nightclub with the Kalpoe brothers and Van Der Sloot. They were arrested on June 9 and have been detained since.
No charges have been filed against the three, and their attorneys have said the men are innocent.
Police released Croes Monday after a judge ruled there was not enough evidence to hold him. The DJ was arrested June 17 after at least one of the three still being held named him during questioning by authorities, officials said.
A hearing is scheduled early next week to determine whether the Kalpoe brothers and Van Der Sloot can be held for 60 more days.
Prosecutor: Van Der Sloots interfered
Judge Paul Van Der Sloot, Joran's father, was arrested a week ago, but was released a few days later.
Aruba's chief prosecutor Karin Janssen told CNN Wednesday the elder Van Der Sloot told his son that without a body police would have no case.
Janssen said the judge made the comment "some days after" Holloway disappeared in a conversation with his son and the Kalpoes.
Investigators learned about his conversation with the three during questioning of one of the Kalpoe brothers, Janssen said, and when asked about the comment, the judge replied that he had been speaking about such a situation "generally."
In addition, he and his wife, Anita, interfered in the case by asking a friend of their son what he had told police during questioning, Janssen said.
"That was not positive to the investigation," she said.
CNN has tried unsuccessfully to contact the couple and attorneys representing the father and son.
The release of the elder Van Der Sloot was met with chagrin by Holloway's family.
"He definitely, definitely has information that he needs to step forward and be the man that he is and disclose that information," Holloway's mother, Beth Twitty, told CNN.
Janssen said criticism of the way Aruban authorities have handled the case "is not justified."
"We have a civilized society. We have a decent law system. We can't book people when we want ... [like] a bunch of cowboys," she said. "We have made some progress, and we are doing it in our way. It is maybe not fast enough for a lot of people, but it is no grounds to have such criticism."
The legal system in Aruba, an autonomous member of the Kingdom of the Netherlands, is based partly on Dutch civil law.
Janssen said she thinks island police "are doing a hell of a job."
The prosecutor said the investigation is being conducted around the three suspects in custody, "so we get a clear picture of where they were, and what has happened, and what happened to Natalee." She described the process as "millimeter work" going on "around the clock."
"It's a real puzzle, but we are getting the picture of the puzzle, I think," she said.
Janssen said authorities in Aruba are working Holloway's disappearance as a missing person's case with the possibility of murder, although they have not definitively concluded that the teen is dead.
Mother: Time wasted
Twitty, however, wonders how much time investigators lost checking out Croes' story.
"I think that's sad for him if that's how it truly happened," she said. "I just don't want to waste any more ... energy or focus on the wrong individuals."
Croes said he lied to police because he thought he was helping Deepak stay out of trouble.
"If you were sitting in the cafe and heard the guy, you'd think he was telling the truth, too," Croes said.
Aruba on Thursday was awaiting the deployment of another contingent of Dutch Marines to assist with the search for Holloway.
The Netherlands agreed Wednesday to assign the Marines to the search, joining several hundred others stationed on the island who have been looking.
Also scouring the island is a team of search specialists that arrived last weekend. The volunteer group, Texas EquuSearch, has sent some searchers home, as well as several cadaver dogs, but expects to have new volunteers arrive to continue the search.
CNN's Chris Lawrence, Alex Quade and Patrick Oppmann contributed to this report.
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Hij wordt momenteel gerenoveerd.quote:Op zaterdag 2 februari 2008 22:29 schreef lipboutje het volgende:
Op de boot lijkt me sterk, die boot staat te koop, FBI moet deze confisceren en onderzoek op doen.
Ik roep al twee dagen dat Steve Kroes misschien die jongen is met het bootje. We zullen morgen zien he? 
En jij gelooft Joran?quote:Op zondag 3 februari 2008 00:21 schreef SCH het volgende:
Volgens Joran kende hij de jongen met het bootje, uit de bekentenis, nog maar heel kort.
lijkt me sterk dat je een lijk op zee dumpt met een cruiseschip. daarvoor neem je toch iets kleiners, onopvallenders.
Ik roep het al 2,5 jaar.quote:Op zondag 3 februari 2008 00:17 schreef Saphia het volgende:
Meestal hebben ze bij cruisschepen kleinere bootjes om gasten op te halen en weer weg te brengen.quote:Op zondag 3 februari 2008 00:37 schreef Byte_Me het volgende:
lijkt me sterk dat je een lijk op zee dumpt met een cruiseschip. daarvoor neem je toch iets kleiners, onopvallenders.
Ze hebben wel heel erg snel gehandeld. Ik geloof dat er ongeveer twee uur "kwijt"is tussen het moment dat Deepak of Satish Joran en Natalee op het strand hebben afgezet en dat Joran zonder schoenen thuis arriveerde. Van het strand naar zijn huis is 45 minuten lopen. Eenmaal thuis sprak hij op MSN met Deepak: "ik ben thuis en ga slapen".quote:Op zondag 3 februari 2008 01:19 schreef Brammetje het volgende:
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Meestal hebben ze bij cruisschepen kleinere bootjes om gasten op te halen en weer weg te brengen.
De bewuste Tattoo Party Boat:
Ik moet helaas vernechten dat dit plochterig gerinf uiterst vlamelig en imprumptueel verjuind is.
Bovendien jiften de druimels me teveel in de luimtenissen van kwappipappi.
Bovendien jiften de druimels me teveel in de luimtenissen van kwappipappi.
Dat er viskooien en touw zijn gestolen zijn heeeel erg interessant, maar mocht dit zo zijn dan kan ik me niet voorstellen dat Peter dit in zijn vorige uitzending niet heeft genoemd. Deze bewering dat die viskooien zijn gestolen is dit iets wat uit het politie onderzoek komt?quote:Op zaterdag 2 februari 2008 22:13 schreef renegade808 het volgende:
Ik denk dat ze gestorven is door een ongeluk en dat ze vervolgens zijn uitgevaren en haar lijk hebben gedumpt. Frappant is ook dat op het strand bij Holiday Inn, waar de Tatoo lag aangemeerd, die nacht is ingebroken in de zogenaamde Fisherman's Huts. Dit zijn schuurtjes waar vissers hun werktuig bewaren. Naar verluidt zijn hier "viskooien"en touw gestolen.
iig interessante materie allemaal!
Texas EquuSearch was op orders van Dave Holloway begonnen met zoeken in het water en kwam met de "Fishcage" melding.quote:Op zondag 3 februari 2008 01:39 schreef Brammetje het volgende:
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Dat er viskooien en touw zijn gestolen zijn heeeel erg interessant, maar mocht dit zo zijn dan kan ik me niet voorstellen dat Peter dit in zijn vorige uitzending niet heeft genoemd. Deze bewering dat die viskooien zijn gestolen is dit iets wat uit het politie onderzoek komt?
iig interessante materie allemaal!
POSTED: 10:53 am CST January 11, 2006
UPDATED: 11:10 am CST January 11, 2006
HOUSTON -- The founder of Texas EquuSearch said he and a team of divers from Florida will travel to Aruba after investigators there revealed they might know where to find the body of a missing Alabama teen, KPRC Local 2 reports.
Natalee Holloway disappeared in June while on a high school class trip to Aruba. She has not been seen since.
On Friday, EquuSearch founder Tim Miller and a deepwater search team from Florida will travel back to Aruba to search an area three to five miles off the island's coast that is between 800 to 1,000 feet deep.
Miller told KPRC Local 2 that Aruba's police commissioner told him that he feels Holloway might be inside a fish trap dropped deep into the water.
"The night she disappeared is the same night a fisherman's hut got broken into and a huge fish trap got stolen. Some big knives got stolen, and none of it has been found since," Miller said.
The cage the commissioner referred to is similar a crab trap people could buy at a hardware store.
"If she is, in fact, in that huge fish-trap like we think there is a possibility, I am optimistic that the equipment we've got will be bringing Natalee back," Miller said.
Zeer interessant verhaal en een goede OP; ik kende het nog niet.
Daarom een TVP om het morgen naast de uitzending te kunnen leggen.
Daarom een TVP om het morgen naast de uitzending te kunnen leggen.
Steve Croes, de man met de achthoekige bril: Jeremy Croes aka Jerry Strawberry, Geoffrey Von Croimvort en Joran: Connect the dots.
The AP report does not mention of the story from last week about Aruban authorities looking for a 20-year-old man who allegedly harassed a woman on the same beach nine days before American teenager Natalee Holloway disappeared, but their proximity could be relevant.
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The AP report does not mention of the story from last week about Aruban authorities looking for a 20-year-old man who allegedly harassed a woman on the same beach nine days before American teenager Natalee Holloway disappeared, but their proximity could be relevant.
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Even volgen en even kijken waar Peer French Fries mee komt morgen.
Zou toch fijn zijn als dit er in voor kwam, anders is het toch een stuk om rekening mee te houden.... Een lijk wat niet gevonden is, toch niet geheel onbelangrijk in een "moord" zaak
Zou toch fijn zijn als dit er in voor kwam, anders is het toch een stuk om rekening mee te houden.... Een lijk wat niet gevonden is, toch niet geheel onbelangrijk in een "moord" zaak
All management is Strategic Management.
Zou nog een dicht bij de waarheid kunnen liggen dit! interessant is het zeker
Rockwerchter, Noorwegen, Spanje
Hieronder de compositietekening die gemaakt is door Tracy Allen, een vrouw die een week voor Natalee Holloways verdwijning werd aangerand op hetzelfde strand. Ze is daarbij ontkomen en heeft een schets gemaakt van de dader.
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Ik zie Joran niet op die foto hoor. Die vent met het octagonale brilletje herinner ik me, evenals dat er een Amerikaanse toeriste door hem aangerand zou zijn. Nooit meer iets over gehoord, terwijl die jongen toch perfect op dat signalement leek.quote:Op zondag 3 februari 2008 02:16 schreef renegade808 het volgende:
Steve Croes, de man met de achthoekige bril: Jeremy Croes aka Jerry Strawberry, Geoffrey Von Croimvort en Joran: Connect the dots.
en tot slot, de transcripts van het MSNBC interview met Tracy Allen: de vrouw die een week voor Natalees verdwijning werd aangerand door bovenstaande man op hetzelfde strand.
COSBY: And LIVE AND DIRECT right now is Tracy Allan. She is the woman who fought off an attack on that Aruban beach. This is her first TV interview since that sketch has been released.
You know, Tracy, I am stunned. Here it is, it's almost a year. You reported this incident the day it happened, nine days before Natalee vanishes, and they've just now put out a sketch? What do you make of that?
TRACY ALLAN, ASSAULTED IN ARUBA: Well, I think I was a little naive. I thought that they would handle it from the beginning and it was only when I decided to go to the press that they are following up on this case.
COSBY: Let's talk about what happened to you. May 21, again, nine days before Natalee vanished, you were what, near the Fisherman's Hut and what happened?
ALLAN: I went for an early morning walk and I went by the Fisherman's Hut, which is still; the wind surfing area. A gentleman, a man accosted me and luckily fishermen arrived at the same time the assault started. And he realized it wasn't going to go any further. There were witnesses. He got very agitated and threatened me and fled. And then I ran back to the hotel and had the manager call the police.
COSBY: You said he assaulted you. What did he try to do and what was he wearing and what did he say?
ALLAN: He was wearing just a shirt, but it was not a flashing. He was beckoning me towards his car, he grabbed my arms several times and I just held my ground and would not move towards his car, which agitated him and he fled. He threatened me first and then he fled.
COSBY: How worried were you and what do you think he wanted?
ALLAN: I knew for sure that if I did what he said I would at least get raped and probably abducted. His car was running so he was trying to get me to his car. I was scared for my life.
COSBY: This is stunning. This happens to you and again the fisherman said I was out there in Aruba. This is where we heard from the boy that is Natalee may have been and this is an area that has been a point of interest. We're looking at pictures now. I don't know if you can see this, this is where you were, right?
ALLAN: Yes. That's correct.
COSBY: So nine days before Natalee vanishes, you go to the police. What was their reaction?
ALLAN: I gave a statement, I signed the statement and they said they would look into it and I didn't hear anything at all. When Joran Van der Sloot, the story changed and he said he left her there, up to that point I thought he left her at the Holiday Inn. But that's when I really got involved. I had already contacted the FBI. I already tried several times to contact the Aruban police and got in contact and tried to get a hold of the Holloway and Twitty family.
So when the story changed then I contacted Tim Miller of Equisearch and he was the who started pressuring the Aruban law enforcement to look into this case. And it still didn't happen until we decided to go to the press.
COSBY: This is stunning to me. You go to the Aruba authorities and then nine days later this happens with Natalee and they get the details soon after that and you still don't get any calls back at all from the Aruban authorities?
ALLAN: No, no.
COSBY: What the FBI say to you?
ALLAN: The FBI took a statement and didn't contact me again until December 2 is when I did the sketch.
COSBY: Let's take a look at the sketch. Because I want to put this up again. This is a sketch that you basically contributed towards. When you look at this guy, do you have any idea, is this like a local guy, do you have any idea who this man is?
ALLAN: I believe he is local, yes. He had a car, he had an older car. It wouldn't have been a rental and he had the physical characteristics of an Aruban.
COSBY: And do you believe this man is capable - obviously he sounds like a very dangerous man? Capable of raping and killing?
ALLAN: Yes, definitely. It was only for lack of opportunity that I feel I escaped. I'm sure that other women have seen him or come in contact with him and I hope they will come forward. I am hoping that the Aruban police will take it seriously enough to try to get information on this man and see it to its end.
COSBY: How disappointed are you with this investigation by Aruban authorities?
ALLAN: I'm very disappointed because the more times that goes by, the more opportunity he has. I never—I don't know if it's related or not, but any evidence—further time goes by, there is less evidence if it is related.
COSBY: If you saw this man again, if they could locate this man, and you saw this man again, would you remember his face, would you be able to I.D. him?
ALLAN: Yes, absolutely. I was with him for about four minutes, about eight inches away for four minutes and I could identify him, no problem.
COSBY: And Tracy, in your gut, do you believe it may be related? The same beach, nine days later?
ALLAN: It very well could be. Very well could be. I just hope they find him for the safety of all the women on the island. The Aruban women should demand safety on their beaches too. I don't think he cared if I was American or not. He was looking for an opportunity. He's a sexual predator. He needs to be caught.
COSBY: Tracy Allan, I'm glad you got away unscathed and did the right thing to report it to reports and shame on them for not responding sooner.
ALLAN: Thank you. I agree.
COSBY: Thank you for being with us tonight.
ALLAN: Thank you.
COSBY: And LIVE AND DIRECT right now is Tracy Allan. She is the woman who fought off an attack on that Aruban beach. This is her first TV interview since that sketch has been released.
You know, Tracy, I am stunned. Here it is, it's almost a year. You reported this incident the day it happened, nine days before Natalee vanishes, and they've just now put out a sketch? What do you make of that?
TRACY ALLAN, ASSAULTED IN ARUBA: Well, I think I was a little naive. I thought that they would handle it from the beginning and it was only when I decided to go to the press that they are following up on this case.
COSBY: Let's talk about what happened to you. May 21, again, nine days before Natalee vanished, you were what, near the Fisherman's Hut and what happened?
ALLAN: I went for an early morning walk and I went by the Fisherman's Hut, which is still; the wind surfing area. A gentleman, a man accosted me and luckily fishermen arrived at the same time the assault started. And he realized it wasn't going to go any further. There were witnesses. He got very agitated and threatened me and fled. And then I ran back to the hotel and had the manager call the police.
COSBY: You said he assaulted you. What did he try to do and what was he wearing and what did he say?
ALLAN: He was wearing just a shirt, but it was not a flashing. He was beckoning me towards his car, he grabbed my arms several times and I just held my ground and would not move towards his car, which agitated him and he fled. He threatened me first and then he fled.
COSBY: How worried were you and what do you think he wanted?
ALLAN: I knew for sure that if I did what he said I would at least get raped and probably abducted. His car was running so he was trying to get me to his car. I was scared for my life.
COSBY: This is stunning. This happens to you and again the fisherman said I was out there in Aruba. This is where we heard from the boy that is Natalee may have been and this is an area that has been a point of interest. We're looking at pictures now. I don't know if you can see this, this is where you were, right?
ALLAN: Yes. That's correct.
COSBY: So nine days before Natalee vanishes, you go to the police. What was their reaction?
ALLAN: I gave a statement, I signed the statement and they said they would look into it and I didn't hear anything at all. When Joran Van der Sloot, the story changed and he said he left her there, up to that point I thought he left her at the Holiday Inn. But that's when I really got involved. I had already contacted the FBI. I already tried several times to contact the Aruban police and got in contact and tried to get a hold of the Holloway and Twitty family.
So when the story changed then I contacted Tim Miller of Equisearch and he was the who started pressuring the Aruban law enforcement to look into this case. And it still didn't happen until we decided to go to the press.
COSBY: This is stunning to me. You go to the Aruba authorities and then nine days later this happens with Natalee and they get the details soon after that and you still don't get any calls back at all from the Aruban authorities?
ALLAN: No, no.
COSBY: What the FBI say to you?
ALLAN: The FBI took a statement and didn't contact me again until December 2 is when I did the sketch.
COSBY: Let's take a look at the sketch. Because I want to put this up again. This is a sketch that you basically contributed towards. When you look at this guy, do you have any idea, is this like a local guy, do you have any idea who this man is?
ALLAN: I believe he is local, yes. He had a car, he had an older car. It wouldn't have been a rental and he had the physical characteristics of an Aruban.
COSBY: And do you believe this man is capable - obviously he sounds like a very dangerous man? Capable of raping and killing?
ALLAN: Yes, definitely. It was only for lack of opportunity that I feel I escaped. I'm sure that other women have seen him or come in contact with him and I hope they will come forward. I am hoping that the Aruban police will take it seriously enough to try to get information on this man and see it to its end.
COSBY: How disappointed are you with this investigation by Aruban authorities?
ALLAN: I'm very disappointed because the more times that goes by, the more opportunity he has. I never—I don't know if it's related or not, but any evidence—further time goes by, there is less evidence if it is related.
COSBY: If you saw this man again, if they could locate this man, and you saw this man again, would you remember his face, would you be able to I.D. him?
ALLAN: Yes, absolutely. I was with him for about four minutes, about eight inches away for four minutes and I could identify him, no problem.
COSBY: And Tracy, in your gut, do you believe it may be related? The same beach, nine days later?
ALLAN: It very well could be. Very well could be. I just hope they find him for the safety of all the women on the island. The Aruban women should demand safety on their beaches too. I don't think he cared if I was American or not. He was looking for an opportunity. He's a sexual predator. He needs to be caught.
COSBY: Tracy Allan, I'm glad you got away unscathed and did the right thing to report it to reports and shame on them for not responding sooner.
ALLAN: Thank you. I agree.
COSBY: Thank you for being with us tonight.
ALLAN: Thank you.
Renegade, hier de foto met de compositietekening die je wilde posten (het linkje doet het niet, probeer Ctrl-F5 maar eens):
Joran staat met Steve Croes op de foto waar je nu een kikker ziet. Ben de link ff kwijt, zal ff zoeken.quote:Op zondag 3 februari 2008 03:33 schreef dvr het volgende:
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Ik zie Joran niet op die foto hoor. Die vent met het octagonale brilletje herinner ik me, evenals dat er een Amerikaanse toeriste door hem aangerand zou zijn. Nooit meer iets over gehoord, terwijl die jongen toch perfect op dat signalement leek.
thanks mate, ik was net iets eerderquote:Op zondag 3 februari 2008 03:36 schreef dvr het volgende:
Renegade, hier de foto met de compositietekening die je wilde posten (het linkje doet het niet, probeer Ctrl-F5 maar eens):
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heb je misschien ook de foto waar nu de kikker staat?
Freddy Arambatzis was een buurjongen van Joran. Ik weet alleen niet zeker of hij er bij was die nacht. Hij is wel gearresteerd omdat hij pornografisch materiaal van meiden verkocht. (source: scaredmonkeys.net)quote:Op zondag 3 februari 2008 03:54 schreef dvr het volgende:
Was Freddy nou in Joran's tuinhuisje blijven slapen die nacht of niet, herinner jij je dat nog?
Nee, momenteel zit ik in Boston. Kan de uitzending morgen gelukkig wel bekijken omdat mijn neef 'm streamt vanuit Rotterdamquote:Op zondag 3 februari 2008 04:19 schreef MadMaster het volgende:
Renegade, verblijf jij op Aruba of...?
ik denk ook dat steve er zeker mee te maken heeft net als Paulus maar daarentegen kan de vriend met het bootje ook 1 of allebei de broertjes Gottenbos zijn die zijn vlak na de verdwijning namelijk ook gezien terwijl ze de boot helemaal grondig aan het schoonmaken waren en die boot van hun hebben ze ook heel snel daarna verkocht en ze zijn ook nog eens nog geen jaar na de verdwijning als ik het goed heb verhuisd naar Amerika.
check dit ook eens even http://forensicthoughtprints.com/ is best interresant is de page van Dr. Andrew Hodges een forensies profiler/psychiater
Vroeg het vanwege je vele info en foto's en omdat ik momenteel wel op Aruba zit.quote:Op zondag 3 februari 2008 04:21 schreef renegade808 het volgende:
Nee, momenteel zit ik in Boston. Kan de uitzending morgen gelukkig wel bekijken omdat mijn neef 'm streamt vanuit Rotterdam
Ik kijk maandag dus wel naar ABC hier (als dat nog nodig is...)
He Renegade jij weet ook aardig veel van de zaak af he ik vroeg mij af is steve croes toevallig familie van Luigi Angelo Giovanni Croes( agent bij de arubaanse politie die de verhoren deed)?
Inderdaad interessant. En ergens ook wel een logisch verhaal. Het idee dat er meer jongens bij betrokken waren (gangrape) en dat Joran voornamelijk ingehuurd werd om de meisjes dronken te voeren en mee te lonken. Je krijgt echt een beeld van al die verwende jongens op een eiland waarbij de normen aardig aan het vervagen zijn.quote:Op zondag 3 februari 2008 04:29 schreef ciskebab het volgende:
check dit ook eens even http://forensicthoughtprints.com/ is best interresant is de page van Dr. Andrew Hodges een forensies profiler/psychiater
Joran wil wel heel graag bij het foute wereldje behoren. Dat liet hij gisteren ook weer merken in het interview met Pauw & Witteman. Hij vond zijn nieuwe vriend zo interessant omdat die dingen deed die hij (nog) niet durfde.
Als je goed om je heen kijkt zie je dat alles gekleurd is.
Koen (de oudste) was de bewuste nacht in Florida. Waterdicht alibi. De boot was kapot en kon absoluut niet varen omdat er een nieuw onderdeel besteld was.quote:Op zondag 3 februari 2008 04:24 schreef ciskebab het volgende:
ik denk ook dat steve er zeker mee te maken heeft net als Paulus maar daarentegen kan de vriend met het bootje ook 1 of allebei de broertjes Gottenbos zijn die zijn vlak na de verdwijning namelijk ook gezien terwijl ze de boot helemaal grondig aan het schoonmaken waren en die boot van hun hebben ze ook heel snel daarna verkocht en ze zijn ook nog eens nog geen jaar na de verdwijning als ik het goed heb verhuisd naar Amerika.
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